1 May 2000 Source: http://www.phrack.com/phrack/56/p56-0x04 ------------------------------------------------ |--------- T H E F U T U R E O F T H E U N D E R G R O U N D ----------| Asking this question is analogous to asking a question about the future of 8-tracks or dodo birds. The underground is no longer underground. Forums which once existed for the discussion of hacking/phreaking, and the use of technology toward that end, now exist for bands of semi-skilled programmers and self-proclaimed security experts to yammer about their personal lives, which exist almost entirely on the awful medium known as IRC. The BBS, where the hack/phreak underground grew from, is long since dead. Any chump can buy access to the largest network in the world for $19.95 a month, then show up on IRC or some other equally lame forum, claiming to be a hacker because they read bugtraq and can run exploits (or even worse, because they can utilize denial-of-service attacks). The hacker mindset has become a nonexistent commodity in the new corporate and media-friendly 'underground.' And everyone who was a real part of the hacking/phreaking scene - at one point or another decided they'd rather make money being legit than risk legal troubles and wrecking their future for nothing. Myself included. The watered down underground's definition of a hacker is invariably something like: "Someone who can code," or "Someone who can hack webpages," etc. The motives and goals of this 'scene' are also entirely different, and it can be safely concluded that it will continue to degenerate further, at a rapid pace. On the flip side, going legit is a good thing... I, for one, would rather be on the right side of the law, and getting paid for it - it was fun while it lasted, and I learned a lot, but we all have to grow up sometime. And for those just getting into it now - why hack? All the knowledge and information you could possibly want is available at the click of a button in any web browser (or push of an arrow, in Lynx). If you instinctively and successfully refuted the last two paragraphs of bullshit logic... then you belong.