From:   vinnie yesue <vyesue@hotmail.com>  
 To:   tupac.shakur@hushmail.com  
 
Subject:   Re: whitehat who's-who  
 Cc:    
 
 

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>Thank you for your comments on your reference in the who's-who 
>of whathats. No intention or implication of membership to 
>EL8 has been made in this document. The association simply 
>refers to the positive reference in the document to your nickname 
>'vmy'. This positive reference made within the scope of the 
>EL8.3 text is what is being refered to, and be assured no 
>association by membership or colaboration is being made. 

I don't see anywhere in this document any positive reference made by me 
towards el8. What I do see is: 

Me ircing as vmy, talking a little shit at jobe who is a confirmed retard 
and who enjoys quite a bit of innocent needling from many, many internet 
users, and 

A user with the nick b_ thanking me for hacking aempirei, an action with 
which I was not associated. 

I support in el8 in no way. I have made no public comment about el8, nor do 
I have any place in a document detaining the workings of the anti-whitehat 
struggle, since I have no place in the computer security industry. I'm not 
a 'friend of el8'; I happen to irc from a machine from which their members 
irc and serve web pages from, and I have no more connection to them than you 
do to the people who share hushmail with you as their provider. 

>Remember, all association in the who's-who of whitehats is made 
>through the reference of names in public forums and documents 
>and makes no claim of membership or association with the forums, 
>document writers, or groups except the association of 'mention within'. 

I really don't htink it's particular clever or amusing to hack a bunch of 
people because they have jobs, and I certainly don't think it's very nice to 
try and smear my reputation on the basis of logs which appear in a humorous 
account of a computer intrusion. I dunno how long you've been following the 
'hacker scene' or whatever, but you may wish to keep in mind that it's 
traditional practice to publish fake logs in the spirit of humor or as an 
attempt to divert attention from real culprits. 

I think it's cool for people to try and understand the sociology of the 
events that happen on the internet; I think the ephemeral nature of the 
medium means that people like you who try and chart any segment of the 
internet are doing a valuable service just by watching and remembering. The 
future's history belongs to you in a way, and you have a pretty lofty 
responsibility as a commentator and journalist to at least try and avoid 
propagation of information that is false and damaging to reputations of the 
people involved. 

I really hate to have to explain to my next potential employer why my name 
is associated with a known active hacking group who attempts to sabotage the 
reputations of companies by hacking their employees. It would be bad enough 
explaining this if my relationship with el8 is real, but it's tough to 
swallow when I don't neither know who is in el8 nor in any way endorse their 
actions or views. 

p.s. - you misspelled Chief in Mudge's title, dude. 

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