Transcript File : The Grove of Avalon ------------------------------------- The Grove is one of a pair of unique Chat-rooms run for a while on the PC-Link system by some pagan interest/philosophy interested people to expand the general consiousness of pagans and non-pagans. The room is free-form, with users using handle names to retain animinity. The following is a transcript of a single evening recorded by 'Ravensong' the room host for the evening. Unnefer : transcend the false mind-unite with the absolute-become god Ravensong : Ah, then you hold the principle that together we are the sum of God/Goddess? Unnefer : yes Unnefer : god/goddes/not god/goddess all at the same time Ravensong : INteresting, we are both one and not one? GaryG59 : what's on the fire? Unnefer : yes and not one or not not one Ravensong : ...We are discusing our divinity, or lack of understanding of it.... Unnefer : this limited language is of no use to describe it Unnefer : humanity as it is, is lost Ravensong : But the principles you are presenting do project beyond the words we use GaryG59 : from the papers i dont think we have any divinity. Ravensong : Lost? Unnefer : follow your true will-become a god Ravensong : But if I was God/Goddess I'd get bored in the long run...thats why this game called life! Ravensong : Gary, you don't see the forest becuiase of the Billboard.... Unnefer : the "game" is to become god/goddess by realising it! GaryG59 : define true will. Ravensong : But is winning the game all its cracked up to be? Unnefer : the absolute action you must take=will Unnefer : destiny??? Ravensong : True Will? We all have the will to choose whgat we do.... Unnefer : yes, but there is only one action that maintains the balace of power Ravensong : ...wether we decided to do it in this lifetime or the one before GaryG59 : how can you become a God/ Unnefer : by realising your true will Ravensong : HOw do you know you're not already one Gary? Unnefer : no one can know Unnefer : there is no knowing Ravensong : But if True will is all that is in question, what if my will is to play at life? Unnefer : only doing-or a state of becoming GaryG59 : the christian God hates competition. Ravensong : Perspective : Use it or lose it. Unnefer : then do it ravensong! Unnefer : the christian god is blood thirsty and evil Ravensong : Hello Cleo, welcome to Metaphysics 101....where we ask are you a God(dess)? Unnefer : lol Ravensong : The Christian god is not what Christians portray him to be... CLEO71 : TOO DEEP FOR ME Ravensong : ...they refuse to read their own holy writs with any depoth... GaryG59 : the old testament or the new?? Unnefer : it/he has been distorted from the tru teachings Ravensong : The new Testament says that the Christian god is a god of Love, yes? Unnefer : jesus christ was a buddha-no doubt GaryG59 : yes Ravensong : Hello Chris...welcome to the Grove, where Eris laughs at us all... Unnefer : christian god = evil-programming of ideology into the youth Ravensong : And Jesus was also a person who wanted to develop true Communisim.... Unnefer : utopian communism Ravensong : ..not the false version that Russia or China developed.... Ravensong : exactly Ravensong : Gary, what do you believe in? Unnefer : russia/china=distorted(BY FAR) OF MARX Unnefer : who is ERIS? that discordian?? deity? Ravensong : ...Even Marx didn't have it quite right.... Unnefer : yes he was off a bit GaryG59 : if i were a god i think that i would know it Ravensong : Hello Dick & Dan...welcome to the grove have a seat by our fire.... DAN LAU PA: OK Unnefer : I doubt it, becuase if you did you woulndt call yourself YOU! Ravensong : Gary, Why? DAN LAU PA: HI ALL Unnefer : there is no you, that is an invention of the false mind/ego Ravensong : a round of ale for all: [(_) [(_) [(_) [(_) [(_) GaryG59 : what would i call myself? Unnefer : cant be explained in words Unnefer : you woulndt even conceive of a you Ravensong : Why would you need to label yourself? Unnefer : only unity?or lack of it-parodox! Unnefer : there is no you to label! GaryG59 : what of objective reality? Ravensong : Reality is a playground! Ravensong : ...and we are all children upon it! Unnefer : there isnt any, only a participator/creator of reality Unnefer : raven- who is Eris? Unnefer : wiccan deity? GaryG59 : we create our own reality???? Unnefer : yes!!!!!!!!! Ravensong : Eris is the ancient greek Goddess/Personification of Chaos and Strife.... Unnefer : by acting acording to your true will, then you would be a god! Ravensong : Actually, I believe we each are a seperate individual reality... Ravensong : that interaccts with other realities... Unnefer : causing change to occur in conformity to WIL!!!! Unnefer : will atgh! Ravensong : GGreetings Hotelcal...welcome to the Grove where you can stiull speak you mind if you Unnefer : ive never heard of eris before Ravensong : can prove that you are real and have one.... Hotelcal : thankyou GaryG59 : the reality here, is as cold as hell Ravensong : here have an ale [(_) Unnefer : no there is nothing... Unnefer : hell is the mind Ravensong : The weather here is cold too its 25 after being 65 yesterday! Unnefer : satan=the false mind/ego Unnefer : raven you must live on the east coast then? Ravensong : The term Satan is simply a personification then? GaryG59 : is satan real?? Ravensong : Yes, I'm in MASS Unnefer : a symbol Unnefer : 73 here yester... GaryG59 : anywhere near Salam? Ravensong : Greetings Kitaiyla... KITAIYLA : good eve Unnefer : gary? GaryG59 : what? KITAIYLA : Ravensong....are you talking about the WLPA? Unnefer : well raven do you understand my "reality trip" now???:) Ravensong : Satan is a creation of a church that needed an advesary figure to keep its populance Ravensong : under control, Unnefer : yes!!!but more a symbol of the false mind/ego Ravensong : WLPA? Ravensong : Yes, I understand what you're saying, Unnefer...you present a diffrent variation KITAIYLA : Satan is a perversion of the Horned One, not a creation of the church GaryG59 : no horns or pointy tail? Ravensong : on what Richard Bach did, a little less optimistic. Unnefer : the ancient one Unnefer : christ-drug yum yum Ravensong : The Horned god is an Archetype, a creation of our group mind that is mankind' Unnefer : i'm from the non-reality-unity-absolute school GaryG59 : WICCA? Ravensong : Jung said there were many ARchetype, each with a purpose in our created realities Unnefer : jung was right on track Ravensong : WIcca is one set of beliefs, forged to achieve a set of goals by a group of Unnefer : commentary on the Tibetan book of the Dead was great!-Jung Ravensong : individual 'universes' Unnefer : wicca is not mu cup of tea. although it is interesting Ravensong : Jungs only flaw was his own prejudices...they caused his failure... GaryG59 : JUNG was a little strange Ravensong : The Wiccan philosophy is a good solid means to lkearn and build ones own knowledge Ravensong : of ones self-universe. Unnefer : yes i agree- and freud also(prejudices) Ravensong : Wicca is not the only path, it is one of many. Ravensong : Freud, like Newton, was flawed by his means of observation. KITAIYLA : Snowy owl says to inform the group that he will be in the room shortly... Unnefer : my path is ALL paths-they all go to the same place GaryG59 : rs what path is your? Ravensong : Snowy is always welcome Ravensong : Thanks Kitayiyla...I've been fine, but strapped money wiuse Ravensong : My path is not Wiccan, though I spent time there as my foundation, it is mearly mine ScottD32 : Avalon N.J. Ravensong : Wicca helps one to begin to open ones mind to the possibilities of ones universe Unnefer : there is only one path(realy) Ravensong : Greetings scott welcome unto the Grove... Unnefer : many universes-or non-universes Ravensong : There are many paths that lead to the same road Unnefer : yes that is what i was saying Ravensong : ...we all seek the road. Crag Hack : Goodevening, Ravensong! GaryG59 : no fear of HELL? Ravensong : Hello Crag, welcome ScottD32 : Jesis the only way!! Unnefer : the road is a difficult one KITAIYLA : there is no hell Ravensong : Greetings all! ScottD32 : sorry Jesus Unnefer : christ-drug - progarmming and ideology Ravensong : Scott, if you mean Jesus, perhaps for you his teachings are the only path. BoingoVH2 : fare well all. just stopping by again. ScottD32 : Jesus has defeated satin Ravensong : Some of us must create our own path, others can follow those already forged Unnefer : yes rs there is only each persons will Ravensong : Scott..I'm not impressed, defeqating cloth is easy! Ravensong : (joke) Snowy Owl1: Unnefer : satan is a symbol for much more than you may or may not know KITAIYLA : GREETINGS, SNOW!!!!!!!! Crag Hack : Hi Snowy! Ravensong : Hail Snowy! Welcome to the Realm of Truth and Illusion personified! Snowy Owl1: dont know Him personally. BoingoVH2 : hi owl! Snowy Owl1: gee, HI EVERYBODY! BoingoVH2 : i'm just leaving. Snowy Owl1: [i like feeling popular :D ] Crag Hack : Satan is a satan is a symbol amoung many symbols that are supposed to mean evil Ravensong : By BOING! Snowy Owl1: not cause i got here, i hope. Ravensong : What is evil? ScottD32 : I'm talking real Christ, what do you have Crag Hack : Although, I don't believe in evil Unnefer : evil is relative to ones will GaryG59 : fried snowy owl YUM! Snowy Owl1: "Satan is a satan is a..." there's a song in that Somewhere..... Snowy Owl1: yum? BoingoVH2 : no, i just won an hour in the auditorium so i'm leaving. Unnefer : evil= KITAIYLA : ? Ravensong : Scott, Jesus was a good teacher for his culture...its just that culture is no longer Unnefer : argh! Ravensong : predominant Snowy Owl1: "real Christ" ?? is there a fake one? BoingoVH2 : door prize! Ravensong : Hello HHS! Unnefer : christ-drug Snowy Owl1: Hah!!!! Look again, Raven. Crag Hack : I don't believe in an evil being or a good being. I thinks good and evil are the same thing HHS151 : HELLO Unnefer : all is one one is all Ravensong : HHS...loweR THY caps! Crag Hack : Balance is the key ScottD32 : satan is the deciever Unnefer : the TAO Snowy Owl1: Oh, for certain there is "good" and "evil" and we all know what it is, in ourselves. Unnefer : satan= the false mind/ego KITAIYLA : :) Ravensong : :) Crag Hack : Satan dosen't exist, excpet when created to control the masses by fear BoingoVH2 : sounds more like the "golden mean" Unnefer : it is relative Snowy Owl1: "Satan" is the...well..."prosecuting attorney" of the Hebrew belief. Ravensong : Scott...how much have you read of Religions? Snowy Owl1: makes sure no one makes it into Heaven that doesnt deserve it. Unnefer : there are many satans in hebrew myth ScottD32 : Jesus LOVES you ALL!! BoingoVH2 : bye. Crag Hack : It's the old party line. "If you don't go to church every sunday, then your going to hell" Snowy Owl1: [have you considered my servant Job??] Unnefer : heaven is in the true mind Snowy Owl1: good to hear, scott, could use all the help i can get Crag Hack : Or maybe, "If you don't comb hair right, your going to hell" Unnefer : church=programming and lies Snowy Owl1: i see, unn, that must be why i dont have it.... ScottD32 : I don't need to look any further Ravensong : Don't we all want to be loved, Scott? Unnefer : you are in hell Snowy Owl1: <--- Lacking "True Mind" Ravensong : Scott, have you really ever even read your Bible? Crag Hack : But the same also works in resverse. "If you don't worship satan, I shall destroy you" ScottD32 : I have found the cure for evil ScottD32 : Daily Snowy Owl1: [Raven, displaying "knowledge snobbery" strikes again....] GaryG59 : what? Crag Hack : I think both sides of the house, (Christ & Satan) are for the birds. Snowy Owl1: but what if one is not concerned by evil? Unnefer : evil is good good is goood evil is evil Crag Hack : They were created to confuse and to control! Unnefer : yes! Ravensong : Gretings, GreyLady stepping in for a few... Ravensong : Hello Snowy love.... Snowy Owl1: Unnefer, do you work for the government, by any chance? ScottD32 : What do you know about it raven Unnefer : i work for reality Crag Hack : Hitle did the same thing, he just called it Nazi. Stalin also did it, So did we Crag Hack : Except we call it law KITAIYLA : greetings, Greylady.... Unnefer : never get to the point-but got alot to say! Ravensong : Unnefer, are you speaking on a Junian basis or are you a proponent of Sirley McClaine? KITAIYLA : :) Crag Hack : God should be like the air, natural. You should have work toward God Unnefer : forget new age that is dead ScottD32 : Those without the spirit Snowy Owl1: that's "Jungian" GaryG59 : shirley'got nice leggs Snowy Owl1: how about the Goddess, Crag? Crag Hack : I mean you shouldn't have to work toward God! (Pardon me) :) Ravensong : thank Snowy, I'm dyslexic you know ScottD32 : do not know the things of God Unnefer : i speak as i will Crag Hack : God/Goddess, it's the same thing. Male.female gender is a human thing. Ravensong : I can't spell Snowy Owl1: feel free. Unnefer : god cannot be defined Crag Hack : It's better for us to understand if we refer to God as God or Goddess ScottD32 : Creator Snowy Owl1: yes, but duality is universal, so some basis for male/female must exist... Unnefer : intellect is the destructor Ravensong : Crag, why? Unnefer : unity is universe Crag Hack : God, is you. And that plant, and this computer, and so , on, on Unnefer : and non-unity is universe GaryG59 : manitou? Snowy Owl1: so is Goddess, Crag.. :) Crag Hack : We also think that we are everything! That Earth is the center! We have surprise coming soon! Unnefer : god is the all and the nothing Ravensong : Unnefer, that's a similar clncept to the school of Greek thought that stated all is one ScottD32 : For God so loved the world, that he sent his only son Ravensong : nothing is seperate Crag Hack : Snowy, If you pefer Goddess, I use the word Goddess Snowy Owl1: Ahhh, having trouble with Secular Humanism lately, Crag? Crag Hack : How can God have a son, if he's not human Unnefer : I like the eastern philosophies better! Crag Hack : lol, snowy Snowy Owl1: :) KlemClone : simple, he used the yellow pages ScottD32 : not to condemn the world, but to save it through him Snowy Owl1: i know quite a bit about them, Unnefer, please go ahead. GaryG59 : turn to hymm 312 please Unnefer : my snowy arent you opinionated! :) Ravensong : but Unnefer, you are supporting the Greek philosphies with your words...not the eastern Crag Hack : Scott, you and the rock have the same heart beat, but is yours as peaceful as the rock's? Unnefer : unity is the absolute-i am a buddhist Snowy Owl1: opinionated? of course! there is no such thing as a "pure fact" so why bother? ScottD32 : Yes Snowy Owl1: Raven, please dont be so Intellectually Snobbish....it isnt becoming. Ravensong : but you sound greek Unnefer : yes snowy i agree, not take it so seriously! :) GaryG59 : shave your head? Ravensong : I'm not Raven... Snowy Owl1: Telling someone they are wrong is not establish rapport, it is useless argument. Crag Hack : Folks, before we go on, lets announce ourselfs. If we call oursefls something, what is it? Ravensong : remember? ScottD32 : The peace that passes all understanding Unnefer : no i dont shave my head! Snowy Owl1: [yes, i know....] GaryG59 : saffron robes? Snowy Owl1: I've always thought it must be terribly frustrating to be Right, Scott. Is it? Ravensong : Snowy, just trying to identify the style of thought, not correct someone - sorry if I came off Ravensong : wrong! Unnefer : no! i am not a monk! Crag Hack : Scott, how do you know your right? ScottD32 : Jesus is right Unnefer : jesus is dead! Crag Hack : How do you know Jesus is right? GaryG59 : sufi? ScottD32 : Jesus is alive Crag Hack : Unnefer, don't insult him. He has a right Snowy Owl1: Then it must be terribly frustrating for you that not everyone will simply recognize that fact. Unnefer : that is an islamic sect gary! Ravensong : If you beleive he lives in your heart, Scott, then he does... ScottD32 : He gave me his spirit Unnefer : right is relative to the individuals will Crag Hack : So true Ravensong. Snowy Owl1: I feel sorry for you. It is so hard to maintain a conversation with us "wrong" people. Ravensong : Each person's belief is what they wish it to be, each person's universe is what they make it Snowy Owl1: yes, and... GaryG59 : whirling dervish? Crag Hack : Scott, I happy for you. I believe differently. But I think we'll go to the same place ScottD32 : Whom do you believe Raven?? KlemClone : "When the truth of your life is too terrible, you revert to a religion based on simple lies." Crag Hack : Which religion are you talking about KlemClone? ScottD32 : Only one way Ravensong : Scott, I am Raven's roommate, and I believe what my heart tells me to be true... Snowy Owl1: "Dimsie doats and dosie doats, and little lambsy divy" ScottD32 : JESUS!! Ravensong : in whatever language it needs to express itself KITAIYLA : lol Crag Hack : Scott, what happens if your wrong? KITAIYLA : ? Ravensong : Scott, the basis for peace is understanding - this is hare to attain with a closed mind Snowy Owl1: Scott, calm down....you must accept that you can never "convert" here, only discuss. ScottD32 : Not a chance Ravensong : allow other's their own opinions and their own beliefs Snowy Owl1: whoops! time for party hats! KITAIYLA : many others have been wrong.......... Snowy Owl1: ***** to Crag Ravensong : I know my own by scent, does He work that way? Unnefer : the myth or the reality of these fine people ScottD32 : Jesus Christ Greylord : :) Ravensong : AH that holiday... KITAIYLA : jesus WHO??????? Unnefer : ???? Ravensong : I forget too Snowy Owl1: is it Lugh? Are we in Lugh? Unnefer : christ KITAIYLA : oooooooooh....him ScottD32 : Christ Snowy Owl1: "Christ" is a title, people. Snowy Owl1: Jesus is the name. Greylord : Scott...where did J.C. instruct you to "ram" Him down the throat of others? KITAIYLA : :) Ravensong : Snowy, not yet to your last IM question Unnefer : how many jesuses do you know anyway? KITAIYLA : lol Greylord : :) ScottD32 : The spirit Crag Hack : Any body take "The Course in Miracles" Greylord : Oh....Can you SHOW me that? KlemClone : Which Jesus (Easu). The Jesus of Mark? Luke? John? Paul? (Seth, I hope not Paul!) Ravensong : "I don't care if it rains or freezes..." Snowy Owl1: well, "ravensong" everybody around here has been saying it...shocked me out of 10 year of life. Unnefer : oh i see the different accounts of jesus... ScottD32 : Gods only Son!! Snowy Owl1: "....long as I have my plastic Jesus...." Unnefer : ahhhh Crag Hack : The Course in Miracles is a course you can take that teaches you about the universe Greylord : Klem....Jesus Metzgold...my grocer.. Unnefer : man is gods son Greylord : :) Crag Hack : and how to make miracles KITAIYLA : which god? Unnefer : son is gods man Ravensong : Sorry Snowy, it's a proposel as of yet, where were you last night anyway? ScottD32 : Man is Gods creation KITAIYLA : lol Unnefer : man made god in HIS image KlemClone : God's been around... he could have more than one (and NO, I'm not throwing nasty sexual inuendo) KITAIYLA : amen Snowy Owl1: Talking to Kit, late at night. I TRIED to find you. Greylord : Well said Un... Greylord : :) Crag Hack : Actually, God is mans creation. God never called himself "God" Greylord : Least he TRIES to.... Greylord : :) Ravensong : god is an anomaly in quantum physics, actually ScottD32 : God is Unnefer : :) Snowy Owl1: MAY I ASK EVERYONE A QUESTION??? KITAIYLA : ??????? Greylord : Sure.. Ravensong : Snowy, I am sorry, really Crag Hack : Ravensong, ever read any Robert Heinlien? Ravensong : yes Snowy Owl1: is there ACTUALLY any point to this discussion besides showing how much we know about our Snowy Owl1: Religions? Tangent : Hi all :) KITAIYLA : no Greylord : Hi Tan-baby... KlemClone : Good point, Ravensong, is the cat in the box dead, or confused? Ravensong : Greetings Tangent JammerSAC : no snowy Unnefer : the ultimate quantum reality is god????? no! Tangent : Hi Grey :D LOGAN 21 : Why are you so against God Luncefer Snowy Owl1: and pretending we know enough about those of others to judge? Ravensong : un-dead! Crag Hack : The Number of The Beast, and Stranger in a Strange Land!!!! Tangent : Hiya Raven ;) Ravensong : yes Unnefer : man is god or god is man?! Snowy Owl1: "Popping the Quiff" is the term... if i recall. Unnefer : ha! KlemClone : Ah, I saw that movie, must have missed the cat, though! Greylord : Snowy....I am a "Bailey-ite"... ScottD32 : God judges KITAIYLA : god is man Greylord : :) Ravensong : it's Greylady actually, but Raven's trying to get the keyboard back... Unnefer : right! Snowy Owl1: BOB KNOWS ALL, SEES ALL, TELLS LESS. Crag Hack : I judge! And since I judge, (and you do too) I and you are God? :) Ravensong : kaos kat Klem... KITAIYLA : and then again............ Unnefer : actualy a bit if both! Ravensong : Snowy LOL Snowy Owl1: *......Church Of The Subgenius....* KlemClone : Never admit your TRUE NAME... there's a story about that, somewhere... Snowy Owl1: :) Crag Hack : I know what you don't! I know what you won't! I know it all! I know it all!!! KITAIYLA : :) JammerSAC : Thanks for the interesting but constantly endless arguement. Its like politics. Unnefer : what all? Greylord : <--- First Church of the Immaculate Orgasm... Ravensong : I know the rest Crag!!!!! Greylord : :) Crag Hack : lol, GreyLord KITAIYLA : lol Snowy Owl1: Klem, it comes to us from the ceremonial tradition of Magick, they believed that names bound Unnefer : lol at greylord Snowy Owl1: the creature they were associated with. Ravensong : Is an immaculate conception a new word for safe sex? Crag Hack : Actually Ravensong, I only know half of everything, the rest I make up! :) Snowy Owl1: |||||throwing Beer Nuts at Ravensong||||||| Crag Hack : lol Unnefer : immaculate DECEPTION! ScottD32 : Jesus LOVES YOU!!! Ravensong : or is it a claen mind? Greylord : Safe sex = mast********! Greylord : :) Crag Hack : That was low Ravensong! Good! But a cheap shot! :) Snowy Owl1: yes yes yes yes YES! Scott..so you have told us over and over and over and over and over. Unnefer : your only right if i agree with you Greylord : Scott...I think He is getting a little upset with you though! KITAIYLA : give it a break, Scott JasonT9 : interesting concept Ravensong : Scott, tell him I love him too if he's gonna be so insistant Greylord : :) Ravensong : you seem to be his main spokesman Snowy Owl1: What an utterly Plebian comment, Unnefer. ScottD32 : Never Ravensong : or are you self-appointed? Greylord : LOL Unnefer : ha! KITAIYLA : lol Crag Hack : Well folks, I must now tell, I am God! And I've been watching thoose who don't follow my WORD! KITAIYLA : how are you tonight,Lee? Greylord : So....how about them Mets??? Snowy Owl1: well, getting time to fly... Im going to steal Kit away from you and leave you all holding... Greylord : :) Unnefer : my my do i love reality Ravensong : League of Pushy Preachers...Self Appointed Chapter Head.... Snowy Owl1: your various philisophical wangers! *laugh* have fun! KITAIYLA : lol Greylord : :) ScottD32 : He does love you Ravensong, come to him Crag Hack : lol KlemClone : I must say this is the most interesting room I've been in this evening; and imagine that... KlemClone : GOD's here too! Ravensong : Snowy, I'll be on as myself a bit later, will you be around? Unnefer : there is no jesus here ScottD32 : You are right Clone Ravensong : Klem.....I LIKE YOU!!!!!!! Crag Hack : Well, scott, believe what you will. But, please, God never said to force him upon anyone KITAIYLA : no, raven...he is off for the evening Greylord : Scott...You show me in the Bible where it says to force others to Jesus and I'll come.. Unnefer : the christian god is corrupt and evil-he restricts ones will Crag Hack : I thought you where supposed to come to God of your own free will. Greylord : Crag...so it says. Greylord : Scott thinks differently. ScottD32 : Jesus Wants us to share the Gospel Unnefer : the collective (god/christ) cant experience my consciousness! Tangent : brb Greylord : Share is not "ram" KlemClone : Free will is YHVH's curse on us all Ravensong : Share, not scream Scott Greysoul : hail all.... ScottD32 : It is in the Bible Greylord : Hail Soul... Crag Hack : Unnfer, you just as bad! How can you say scott's religion is evil! Greysoul : brb.........reading e-mail Unnefer : crag you are right i am! Crag Hack : I have no love for the Christain church, be really. FREEDOM DOES EXIST!!!!! Greylord : Scott...YOUR way is not in the Bible. ScottD32 : This is not screaming Greysoul : bak Crag Hack : Remember folks, Freedom!!!! ScottD32 : Gods way Unnefer : evil is the restriction of free will Greysoul : hail raven Crag Hack : evil does't exist Ravensong : Everyone, BACK TO RAVENSONG FOR A WHILE - GREYLADY WILL BE ON IN 20 MIN OR A FEW LESS... Ravensong : BYE Greylord : Jesus spoke only to those who WANTED to listen...you try to make people hear you. KlemClone : Freedom for what? Freedom from what? Freedom is like salvation, it requires a counterpoint. Ravensong : Scott, what is Gods way? Unnefer : feedom from the collective Greysoul : hail raven Ravensong : Greetings all...I'm back to my keyboard...have been watching the incoming.... Unnefer : freedom arg! Greylord : :) Crag Hack : Freedom from anything you chose to be free from! Ravensong : Freedom to chose, Scott? KlemClone : Argv? Argc? ScottD32 : To believe in His Son and be saved Ravensong : Then why do you insist that we chose your way? Greysoul : i have a question Unnefer : free from the psuedo religions Greylord : Soul??? Greysoul : what are you talking about Crag Hack : Freedom from everything! Balance is the key ScottD32 : Jesus's way Ravensong : Can't we chjoose our own way? Greylord : Scott is talking Jesus... Unnefer : i agree balance is the key! KlemClone : Scott is right, belief is the heart of it. If you believe you're bad, you may well burn in hell Ravensong : Jesus only showed one path of many to the road ScottD32 : The wages of sin is death Crag Hack : Unnefer, I can't believe it, we agree! :) Greylord : Raven....very well said. Ravensong : Scott...what is sin? Crag Hack : what's sin? Boy have I sined, and I'm still here :) Ravensong : Isn't it a concept of relativity? Ravensong : Thank you M'Lord.... VictorA6 : hello to ya.. Unnefer : yes! we do that is my whole philosophy-balance! ScottD32 : The gift from God is life everlasting Greylord : Hiya' Vic... KlemClone : let's not drag Einstein back from the grave... Ravensong : Crag, sinned in whoose mind? Greysoul : hial victor ScottD32 : Through Jesus Unnefer : i am god, cus i am man! VictorA6 : h'lo greylord and greysoul as well. Ravensong : Scott, you're not responding to the conversation...thats the whole idea of dialog... Crag Hack : Ravensong, I don't I ever sinned. However, I bet Scott (if he knew what I've done) would think Crag Hack : I have WALKER4 : congratulations Ravensong : ....talk to us, not just monologue us to sleep.... VictorA6 : so, exactly what are you talking about guys? Greylord : Scott...you should pray to Jesus that He open your eyes... ScottD32 : What is so bad Hack Crag Hack : I think we'll down here to learn. Whatever we do, we learn. Even if it mean murder Ravensong : Hello Victor, we're trying to discuss the universe as we know it.... Unnefer : Scott your jesus is not my jesus, cuz my jesus is me! Greylord : Maybe some day He will.... Ravensong : can you build us an example of reality to show off? KlemClone : beats the hell outta me (which is GOOD from a Christian perspective) Crag Hack : The murderer is learning and so is the murdered person ScottD32 : You can't save yourself Unnefer : good is relative to the individual, not the collective as in christianity VictorA6 : oh! well quarrel no further because I am.. Ravensong : ...can you save us Scott? Greylord : Did anyone here say they could? Crag Hack : Why not? Doesn't Jesus work through you? ScottD32 : Jesus is reality! Greysoul : you are who ? Ravensong : ...if you're selling salvation, we're not buying today thank you.... ScottD32 : Jesus Saves Unnefer : no! Crag Hack : Yeap, I said I can save everybody! Unnefer : lol at raven Greylord : Dutch Finski saves too...same bank as me. Greysoul : victor.......you are who ? Ravensong : ....We've been thru that before scott, all we proved is we all know lots of gods and verbs VictorA6 : no, Jesus is love.. Crag Hack : I am the Messiah. The Superhero. Or The Quizak Satterack! Ravensong : We have nothing to dislike about love Victor... Unnefer : the only jesus i see is destruction and restriction ScottD32 : Hello Victor Ravensong : ...threats of doom and gloom are not love. ScottD32 : P.T.L. VictorA6 : I am Vic from McAllen, TX..I just signed on last night. KlemClone : Unnefer, your vision is obscured Crag Hack : PTL? Goodness! VictorA6 : hi scott Ravensong : Scott...thats a defunct network... try ABC or CBS or NBC Unnefer : praise man for he walks the earth and shall be king Greylord : Vic....welcome! Greysoul : scott.....p t l KITAIYLA : hi greysoul!!!!! VictorA6 : threats what threats?.. Crag Hack : Hi Vic. Wellcome to the Thursday night fights! KITAIYLA : are we STILL doing this god bit? Greysoul : hi kitaiyla Ravensong : Vic...watch out, we shatter realities here.... Crag Hack : lol Ravensong : by mistake some believe..... Unnefer : Praise The Lunatics ScottD32 : Jesus preaches LOVE VictorA6 : very enjoyable, crag hack. KlemClone : A King is measured by the compassion and wisdom of his rule. We admit we fail, need God's help! WALKER4 : p t l go to hot sex talk Unnefer : hate! Ravensong : Greetings Henry...welcome to the Grove of Avalon Greysoul : scott do you follow p t l ? VictorA6 : thanx ravensong ScottD32 : Hold on to Jesus Vic Greylord : Actually...there should be no quarrel here...any who work toward good intention have a kinship. VictorA6 : I do ScottD32 : I follow Jesus Crag Hack : Viva La Hate! ScottD32 : Not man Unnefer : man is god we must "help" ourselves VictorA6 : think of death as a pie in the face from God.. Crag Hack : agreed Greylord Ravensong : Scott...you can't always follow, someday you must lead yourself.... Crag Hack : Well said, Ravensong! Unnefer : good point raven!! Unnefer : ! Crag Hack : Well said, indeed! ScottD32 : I tried that Raven Ravensong : :) ScottD32 : It don't work Ravensong : ...and what happened to change your way Scott Unnefer : and failed obviously... Greysoul : why are we fighting about this we all have our own belief on what is right VictorA6 : do you guys do this often KlemClone : we see here (electronically) many mansions Ravensong : Greetingsd Pine Grove.... VictorA6 : hi pine PINE GROVE: HI GUYS Unnefer : right is only relavent to the.......etc... ScottD32 : Jesus saved me from death ALANPM : hi pine grove VictorA6 : h'lo greg Ravensong : Scott...do you always give up so easily to failure to find yourself a path? Crag Hack : Greysoul, we're humans. We love to fight. (Go ahead, i dare ya. Hit me. Go on) :) VictorA6 : how so, scott? Unnefer : oh no born again?? KITAIYLA : lol GregH22 : hey vic Greysoul : :) crag ScottD32 : Drugs KlemClone : and when you die Scott, Jesus will come to take you on. If you believe, IT WILL HAPPEN! Ravensong : Greetings Greg, welcome to the Left side of Reality as you know it.... Crag Hack : Oh, no, Not that old party line. "Drugs"! Greysoul : lol raven Greysoul : :) Ravensong : Drugs are a fault of your own, not of the worlds Scott GregH22 : thank you VictorA6 : just what does lol mean? Ravensong : LOL = Lots of Laughs ScottD32 : Right Raven Unnefer : jesus is right here next to me...boy is he... Greysoul : lol= laughing out loud Ravensong : :) Crag Hack : Drugs is man-made! Greysoul : :) VictorA6 : thanx raven Ravensong : Then Scott, why did you need someone else to lead you from your own actions? VictorA6 : drugs are evil materialized KlemClone : Unnefer, I've heard he likes pizza, feed him pizza. Greysoul : both Unnefer : lol GregH22 : hi wee Weetah Wee: Hi Ravensong : Victor, drugs abused are wrong, used correctly are medicine. ScottD32 : I can't save myself VictorA6 : hi wee Crag Hack : Wait, Victor. Lets not start another fight! VictorA6 : true to an extent. Unnefer : scott your lost without yourself-given up the mind to the collective GregH22 : where you from wee Ravensong : Why do you belive you have to have someone change your life for you? ScottD32 : Whome do you really believe Ravensong Weetah Wee: From Ohio KlemClone : Neither could Christ, he called upon his father for help. Correctly, an example for us all. GregH22 : what part Unnefer : boy jesus sure does like pizza KITAIYLA : lol VictorA6 : someone doesn't change your life you change it yourself. Crag Hack : lol Unnefer : well said! KlemClone : trust me, he likes poker too, (but watch his sleeves...) Ravensong : Good evening M'Lord Grey...thy Lady shjall be on after me...have a pleasant sleep VictorA6 : hi king Unnefer : lol Ravensong : We must all pull ourselves up by our own bootstraps or we shall not understnad Ravensong : the good we can do in life, scott. Unnefer : oh jesus...no stop tickling me....no! Weetah Wee: Gwydian sends his regards...couldn't be here tonight Ravensong : Greetings newcomers...welcome back unto the Grove of Avalon Unnefer : bad jesus...bad jesus!...no supper for you! Ravensong : Scott, you have to take responsibility for yourself.... Greysoul : this is getting childish ScottD32 : Actions don't give you eternal life Raven KINGDUNK : victora6 hello from corpus christi tx VictorA6 : that's in bad taste unnefer! KlemClone : I've yet to Authur (Ours), or even a random druid wandering through Unnefer : well we are all children of the world! VictorA6 : Hello to you king from McAllen! Unnefer : sorry vic KlemClone : to see Authur, that is (parity hit) Ravensong : Eternal life? Scott, I believe that there is no end nor begining just a forever VictorA6 : not really we are children of what we believe VictorA6 : apology accepted Unnefer : yes KINGDUNK : what kind of machine are you using victora6 ScottD32 : There is 2 eternities Ravensong : ...Klem...I live with a druid amoungst others.... Unnefer : ok ScottD32 : Heaven or hell VictorA6 : 1000ex, king how bout you? ScottD32 : You choose Raven Ravensong : Greetings all newcomers...welcomer to the Grove, where religion is the topic, evidently Greysoul : this convo is not for me :( i'll be bak later in the eve. Unnefer : Scott where are you going? Greysoul : see ya KINGDUNK : the commodore colt xt/clone Ravensong : see you Greysoul, take care ScottD32 : Heaven KlemClone : Can you get me a bulk discount on a faeri ring (1 heelstone, 5 followers?) VictorA6 : good computer, king? Ravensong : Scott...I will make my own heaven or Hell...as shall you.... Unnefer : where is heaven(isnt in the mind) Ravensong : Drugs were your hell once.... Unnefer : ! ScottD32 : Jesus saved me from hell Ravensong : ....Working for others for mere coinage is mine from time to time VictorA6 : well put raven KINGDUNK : excellent . does the job just need a HD 20-30 megs Ravensong : Hell teaches you many things, as does Heaven. VictorA6 : how did he save you scottt? Unnefer : how did you see him? ScottD32 : Who will really save you Raven VictorA6 : how's the climate in Chorpus KINGDUNK : gotta go victor! Ravensong : Scott....my own knowledge and wisdom will save me if I need saving.... Unnefer : here here! ScottD32 : By pulling me from the Pits Vic VictorA6 : ok! well I'll see ya around..sleep tight(VIC) Ravensong : You have to learn to be selfsufficient iun the game of life.... VictorA6 : I understand what he did but how is my question/ Ravensong : Goodnight Victor, I hope this didn't phase you too badly...its been a rough night ScottD32 : You can't save yourself Ravensong : why? Unnefer : i already have scott! KlemClone : no, Raven, you have to learn that you're NOT self sufficient, even if you only depend on yoursef VictorA6 : Oh! sorru I'm not leaving King is sorry if I confused you. ScottD32 : It is by grace we are saved Ravensong : Oh, glad you can stay Victor.... ScottD32 : not by works of our own Ravensong : Grace? Describe this Grace.... Unnefer : it is by knowledge that we may save ourselves! Ravensong : Your words are stilted and don't explain enough Ravensong : Scott VictorA6 : we can save ourselves scott that is why we have a will.. ScottD32 : God's love for his believers Unnefer : !!!!true will Ravensong : Scott, why would your benificent god create a race of sheep when he already made sheep? ScottD32 : Sorry vic KlemClone : Grace actually exists (I'm not being cynical), and there are "concentrations" you can hit VictorA6 : Raven don't rough'im up to badly.. Unnefer : oh where klem ScottD32 : He loves us Ravensong : Scott...I said before, I believe and Know the power of love, and Love doesn't Unnefer : i believe in myself so i am god scott Ravensong : demand we become its slave KlemClone : well, I ran smack dab into some a few years ago along the Applachian Trail Ravensong : Love simply is. Unnefer : :) Unnefer : ! Ravensong : Greetings Urshy! VictorA6 : you believe in yourself buy!, you are mortal.. KlemClone : i'm not kidding, it was terrifying, and then ... (well you know, better than sex) Ravensong : Welcome back Greysoul...the battle of words rambles on.... ScottD32 : Nice talking to you all Urshy : Im leaving this is stupid Unnefer : ha ha klem!:) VictorA6 : hi greysoul ScottD32 : Jesus does love you VictorA6 : fine be that way urshy Greysoul : raven when does catlady m get on-line haven't talked to her in a long time :) Ravensong : Ah, the words too tough for you scott? Unnefer : i doubt it ScottD32 : And so do I Ravensong : Catlady is taking a rest, since our bill was posted.... KlemClone : a most powerful experience, for me. I don't know if Scott speaks of the same thing.. Unnefer : OH NO! Greysoul : :) Ravensong : Greetings Paramedic, welcome Paramedic6: hello ScottD32 : Gods word too tough for you Raven Urshy : ScottD32 I agree with you God Does love you VictorA6 : hello paramedics Greysoul : tell her i said hi Paramedic6: hello Des2 : Des says Jesus is Lord! Unnefer : gods word is man's word Ravensong : Scott...God hasn't said anything lately Ravensong : (at least not yours) Des2 : The Lord God omnipotent reighneth VictorA6 : see..that is where you are wrong unnefer.. ScottD32 : Listen Raven with your heart Unnefer : scott who created your god...maybe MAN! Ravensong : Des...not you too? Unnefer : ! Des2 : Raven...if you didn't hear God...you weren't listening VictorA6 : wrong again unnefer Ravensong : Scott...I have always followed my heart ScottD32 : Hi Des P.T.L. Des2 : There can be no design without a Designer Greysoul : scott...i went to 12 years of catholic school and god never said anything new in the 12 years Ravensong : Des, I have heard many gods...which one is yours? VictorA6 : hello des Des2 : Hi Scott...Hallelujah! Unnefer : oh? vic explain-i am only wrong if i agree with you! KlemClone : if YHVH has all bets covered, why does he insist that we not "bring false gods before him?" ScottD32 : :) Unnefer : IHVH Des2 : King of Kings...Lord of Lords....Yehweh...Jehovah God Des2 : Hi Victor KlemClone : he shouldn't care.. it shouldn't matter Ravensong : oh, are you Jewish Des? Unnefer : TETRAGRAMMATON ScottD32 : Amen Des Des2 : To proteckt you Klem Ravensong : Sorry...I thought you were like Scott a Christian VictorA6 : well now i forgot what i was going to say ScottD32 : He is Des2 : Not the last time I checked, Raven Ravensong : Then why are you refering to the God of the Jews? VictorA6 : i'm Christian Des2 : I am uncircumcised, however....:0 Unnefer : christ is the devil today KlemClone : I appreciate the thought ( if not the charm... where did that stigmata come from?) VictorA6 : how so, unnefer? Des2 : The Jews ....Israel.....was a type of the Church, Raven Ravensong : Paramedic...I fear you've walked into one of our Us vs them religion things again.... Unnefer : because i will it to be! Des2 : The devil DOES parade around as an angel of light Unnefer Des2 : guess he fooled you Ravensong : Des, if you believe what you say then why are you worshippping someone else's god? VictorA6 : and who empowers you to stand on the altar Unnefer : yes his name is jesus-and you've been deceived! ScottD32 : Right on KlemClone : "I'd give up my halo for a horn, and the horn for a hat I once had.." Unnefer : just kidding Des2 : God belongs to all who will receive Him Greysoul : the devil is in all of us but most of us choose not to listen to him Unnefer : or not... ScottD32 : Wrong uni Unnefer : !? Paramedic6: That's fine, I always enjoy watching people who don't have any idea what their talking about de' Unnefer : the devil is a symbol for the false mind/ego Ravensong : Okay Paramedic, I just wanted to say I was sorry for the atmosphere... Des2 : You have a right to be wrong Paramedic Paramedic6: debate each other's ignorance. It makes me giggle> JRM0646 : Des2 is exactly right Unnefer, the devil comes to steal, kill, and destroy...but Jesus came to Ravensong : here, have some ale... [(_) JRM0646 : give us life and life more abundently VictorA6 : allright let us hear the omnipotene truth speaking paramedic Paramedic6: Thank you! KlemClone : you missed it, para6, we solved all the world's problems 2 seconds before you logged on Des2 : Amen to that JRM Greysoul : any one have a fresh pot ofd coffee ? Unnefer : jesus is for those who fear death ScottD32 : P.T.L.JRMO KlemClone : guess you'll just have to watch Nightline tomorrow night to get the details Ravensong : Devil? Describe this entity you want to talk about.... Des2 : Will the created say to the Creator, why have you made me thus? Paramedic6: Well, the solution didn't last, try again. VictorA6 : someone want a bite of my pizza. Des2 : No way Unnefer....Jesus is for those who want abundant life! Unnefer : just a symbol-like jesus/osiris/buddha,atc... Greysoul : i need coffee ! VictorA6 : what religion do you follow raven ScottD32 : Jesus is the way Des2 : The devil goes about as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour Greysoul : for you scott VictorA6 : well take some ...shees!!! Unnefer : man is god !!!!!! JRM0646 : What kind of background did Unnefer come from? ScottD32 : you too Des2 : for ALL who will believe Ravensong : I, Victor, am a Pagan upon a self appointed path, I make my way without crutches VictorA6 : will you please cut that out unnefer Des2 : If you died, cursing God.... Unnefer : one where i wasnt programmed!!!!!!!!!! Des2 : the last thing you would see, as you slipped into eternity Paramedic6: I am a non-denominational monotheist Greysoul : how can you say what is right for me ....scott KlemClone : i'm on the edge of my seat Des2 Unnefer : vic sorry ok Des2 : would be a loving God with His arms outstretched... Des2 : saying I love you, I love you... Ravensong : Des, we don't curse gods...it would be a truly futile thing to do.... ScottD32 : Listen to Jesus ScottD32 : Grey Ravensong : For if a god is omnipotent then you can't hurt him with a curse.... Des2 : You c urse him by ignoring Him, Raven Paramedic6: I believe there probably is one God, but I don't try to tell It what church it should go to. Ravensong : ...anmd if he isn't there's no reason to curse him, hes already a failure.... Greysoul : what is he saying ? i can not hear anything Des2 : Right, Raven....you can't hurt him, but the curser hurts himself... KlemClone : you didn't c urse him! ScottD32 : Recieve Him Ravensong : If to ignore someone is to curse them then I've cursed billions! Unnefer : deceive him Ravensong : ...and so have you! Des2 : There can be no plan without a Planner... Greysoul : like i said i went to 12 years of jesus talk ... s o s nothing different Des2 : I meant deny, not ignore KlemClone : read James Glick's book on Chaos Ravensong : Des...there is no plan save that which we make.... Des2 : Obviously you werent listening, Grey JRM0646 : Grey what "jesus" talk did you goto? Des2 : Who gave you the brain to make the plan Raven? Unnefer : Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law VictorA6 : O my God, you brighten the darkness around me.. Unnefer : Love is the law, love under will Greysoul : catholic schooling...jrm ScottD32 : Jesus is the light VictorA6 : follow it Des2 : We're not preaching religion, we're telling you about a way of life! Ravensong : I have my own way of life thank you.... VictorA6 : if you want to anyway.. Des2 : Please know...not trying to force down your throats Ravensong : Want to here about mine? Des2 : Just discussing, I thought Des2 : Be my guest, Raven Greysoul : i was listening but .... nothing was different ...just do good and you will live for ever VictorA6 : not that i am trying to impose this on anyone just making conversation Greysoul : that is basically universal Des2 : not true Grey JRM0646 : Greysoul you need to visit a 'spirit-filled' church...then I guarntee you will change your mind JRM0646 : ...about Jesus ScottD32 : Not by works Unnefer : what makes you so certain your right des? faith?well.. Des2 : Jrm....tell it all Ravensong : I am a Pagan Des, I believe that the Universe is a whole, created by forces Des2 : The Alpha Des2 : and Omega Ravensong : that we don't remember, buit which we will someday. VictorA6 : that is not al;ways true jrm.. Des2 : Ah yes, Raven....the force of The Holy One JRM0646 : Victor where are you from? ScottD32 : God creates KlemClone : After that, Grey, we'll go to Iran, they'll change your mind too... Unnefer : he who knows does not speak-he who speaks does not know Greysoul : :) VictorA6 : originally or now, jrm? Greysoul : klem KlemClone : or at least your posture JRM0646 : both Des2 : Been there Klem....The ayatollah sez hello Ravensong : The Multiverse we live in is many many universes connected by many seperate realities Des2 : He who seeks to know...must first learn to imagine and deliberate... Unnefer : right on raven! ScottD32 : WHAT RAVEN??? VictorA6 : originally from Dallas then I moved to Puerto Rico then Mexico City and now McAllen texas Des2 : the wish to know contains not always the faculty to acquire. Greysoul : why do you think we have to follow jesus to live for ever why not just do good Ravensong : ...Gods are the creation of the group mind that we all belong to, just most of us don't KlemClone : give him my best wishes for the afterlife; i intent to catch him on the rebound and kick ass Ravensong : know it for sure. Des2 : It's in the Book Grey Unnefer : des you are stuck in one reality-try some others! JRM0646 : Where are you spiritually? JRM0646 : How serious is Jesus to you? Des2 : I've found it real Unnefer... Des2 : I'm in the fourth dimension! Greysoul : your book not mine.....not budda's,not everonee Ravensong : Ah, Des, I see you quickly ignore those who wish to talk of their own way of life VictorA6 : where God has placed me...under his command. Ravensong : and beliefs.... Des2 : God's book Grey.. Unnefer : oh the astral plane Ravensong : It seems you are not as you preach.... Greysoul : your god Des2 : No, Raven...was trying to answer 2 others....go on VictorA6 : the mortal life KlemClone : actually, OOBE is fun! Unnefer : jesus WAS a great man(?) who is no dead! JRM0646 : Do you talk with Jesus, and eat upon His Word more than anything elso?? Greysoul : now JRM0646 : In other Words is Jesus FIRST?? Unnefer : yes VictorA6 : not dead waiting untill the time is right unnefer Des2 : I respect your right to believe as you wish....just wanted to share what has been Unnefer : now dead Ravensong : Des...I'm sorry I jumped the gun in thinking you were ignoring me...sorry VictorA6 : not always although I should,jrm Des2 : so real to me for 37 years Unnefer : oh vic? the apacolypse? JRM0646 : What Church do you go to in McAllen? VictorA6 : dead physically yes, not spiritually.. VictorA6 : maybe..maybe not? Ravensong : Des...the Multiverse, like all other dimensions within it, is a sealed globe, Des2 : Most church members are too dogmatic ScottD32 : Good Night all P.T.L. Greysoul : no one is ever dead spirituall Des2 : yes... VictorA6 : Holy Spirit Catholic Curch Unnefer : yes i agree KlemClone : Raven, you know better. It is not. Ravensong : All that wa sin it from start is still there...no loss of energy or matter Des2 : and... VictorA6 : in some aspects yes, unnefer Greysoul : so what make jesus god and not us Paramedic6: Entropy? KlemClone : all that light keep pouring through the holes in the crystal sphere (I like Orion, myself) Unnefer : no amount of debaiting can prove anything-we already have our convictions Greysoul : for we live forever and so does he VictorA6 : Orion, nice choice my favorite as well.. Ravensong : Unnefer...how do I get them to understand? VictorA6 : Good unnefer then why in the he-- do we continue babbling like fools.. KlemClone : Imagine all those souls who have looked up at Orion, confident that they knew their god.. Des2 : Facinating, Raven...perhaps I can explore your insight more at a later time Ravensong : ...or at least to stop bothering us? Unnefer : raven i dont know? VictorA6 : you think as you will and that is that Des2 : Didn't mean to be a bother...sorry Ravensong : Des, if you're really interested, I'll send you a reading list.... Des2 : please do Ravensong : Its the others that are getting to me.... VictorA6 : this subject is getting stakle fast... Ravensong : not you. Des2 : DES: 6817 Cedar Ln., Dublin, CA 94568 Greysoul : raven...can not get to understand if not listening KlemClone : send me one too ( I collect late 20th century varient religious mailings) Ravensong : you're being more open minded then the others have. VictorA6 : who are you talking to raven? Des2 : That's the BIG problem with most church people....closed minds KlemClone : not me, I'm sure JRM0646 : AMEN--des VictorA6 : speak for yourself des Unnefer : raven your right-i have been a bit close minded about all this Des2 : He who is convinced against his will, remains unconvinced still...Franklin Ravensong : Well, I must turn in now...Greylady wished the comm again and the night has been long KlemClone : true word, Des2 Paramedic6: Raven: If they're bothering you, follow the example of the porcipine (one of natures more inoffe Paramedic6: inoffensice creatures) Ravensong : ...Greysoul watch for her...she wants to talk again when shes on.... Des2 : hope to see you all later... VictorA6 : nice talking to ya raven see ya around huh? Greysoul : ok Ravensong : Para...thanks...I'll write soon. Greysoul : but can't stay on long Des2 : Victor...we cant BLAST 'em and expect em to believe VictorA6 : i must leave to..Bon nui Greysoul : see ya raven Paramedic6: please do, my files to follow also. Des2 : f KlemClone : enjoy the morning (EST, at least) Des2 : a Des2 : r Des2 : e Des2 : w Des2 : e Des2 : l Des2 : l Ravensong : Good night all *)-----Ravensong-----(*