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« on: December 25, 2004, 21:36:25 »

Could the webmaster of pinouts.ru contact the webmaster of interfacebus.com via e-mail. I have sent a few e-mails but they get retuned.

[email protected]

Leroy
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2004, 12:02:02 »

I see text from a number of my pages [www.interfacebus.com] copied verbatim to pages on your site [www.pinouts.ru] ~ which violates my copy right notice.  There are many examples ….

The copyright notice [on interfacebus.com] indicates; to other [web] sources that I own that material and that it should not be copied to any other source.

I wrote those pages for the free use of information on the internet. I don’t charge a fee to read any page on interfacbus.com, but I own that text, the text belongs to Leroy Davis [www.interfacebus.com]. That does not mean that another “free-use” site can take my work and make it open-source.

Your site appears to be based on the hardwarebook.net site which is open-source and my site, which is not open-source, having a copy right notice on each page ~ <interfacebus.com>.

The impression is that your pages are provided free and my be down-loaded and used with-out copyright i.e. open source. Text from your web site: “All documents (~700) are free and available online”. My work, my text, or my graphics or any thing derived from my site may not be-downloaded without restriction ~ it is copy right. My copy right notice is not provided on your pages, just a source link. By placing my copyright material [which should not have been copied at all] on your pages, you have implied that my work is open source and may be copied.  My work is copyright and my not be copied, it is not open source ~ My work belongs to Leroy Davis.

There are a number of pages [links] that you provide as alternate sources to the information provided on your web site [in addition to www.interfacebus.com], many seem not to work. How ever; in most cases these extra source links are not relevant, because the text taken from interfacebus.com is word-for-word.

Word-for-Word coping from a [my] source [in this case] requires my permission. Although your site does provide a “source”, that implies that you gained insight, not that the information was copied word-for word.


Leroy Davis
www.interfacebus.com
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2004, 15:52:20 »

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I see text from a number of my pages [www.interfacebus.com] copied verbatim to pages on your site [www.pinouts.ru] ~ which violates my copy right notice.  There are many examples ….

Yes, I'm collecting information from public-available sources and some of materials were copied from your website.
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The copyright notice [on interfacebus.com] indicates; to other [web] sources that I own that material and that it should not be copied to any other source.

I've searched what did you mean with 'copyright' word but found nothing at you website. May be it's a good idea to add some explanations to your 'Copyright' notices because there are a lot of sites that are using this word as a simple footer.
As I can see, 'Copyright' notices are placed at every page of your website. Are you sure that your are own ALL published information? There are some materials copied from HardwareBook.net? Am I wrong?
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I wrote those pages for the free use of information on the internet. I don’t charge a fee to read any page on interfacbus.com, but I own that text, the text belongs to Leroy Davis [www.interfacebus.com]. That does not mean that another “free-use” site can take my work and make it open-source.
Your site appears to be based on the hardwarebook.net site which is open-source and my site, which is not open-source, having a copy right notice on each page ~ <interfacebus.com>.

I can't say that my site is based on the Hardware Book project (although there are ~300 documents from it).
By the way, Hardwarebook.net placed 'Copyright' note about 2 years ago.
I can't say that my site is based on yours project (although there are ~15 documents containing interfacebus text or text fragments)

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The impression is that your pages are provided free and my be down-loaded and used with-out copyright i.e. open source. Text from your web site: “All documents (~700) are free and available online”. My work, my text, or my graphics or any thing derived from my site may not be-downloaded without restriction ~ it is copy right. My copy right notice is not provided on your pages, just a source link. By placing my copyright material [which should not have been copied at all] on your pages, you have implied that my work is open source and may be copied.  My work is copyright and my not be copied, it is not open source ~ My work belongs to Leroy Davis.

There are a number of pages [links] that you provide as alternate sources to the information provided on your web site [in addition to www.interfacebus.com], many seem not to work. How ever; in most cases these extra source links are not relevant, because the text taken from interfacebus.com is word-for-word.

Word-for-Word coping from a [my] source [in this case] requires my permission. Although your site does provide a “source”, that implies that you gained insight, not that the information was copied word-for word.
Leroy Davis
www.interfacebus.com

There are no pinouts.ru webpages that were verbatim copied from your website.
However, some my documents contain interfacebus.com texts or fragments of texts, as it marked by 'Source' link.

I'm respecting your author's rights and will apply any changes to this documents at your request.
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« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2005, 23:11:50 »

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Yes, I'm collecting information from public-available sources and some of materials were copied from your website.


Yes information posted on interfacebus.com is available to the public ~ it's posted on the web... Posted to be used, but not re-used on another web site.

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I've searched what did you mean with 'copyright' word but found nothing at you website. May be it's a good idea to add some explanations to your 'Copyright' notices because there are a lot of sites that are using this word as a simple footer.
As I can see, 'Copyright' notices are placed at every page of your website. Are you sure that your are own ALL published information? There are some materials copied from HardwareBook.net? Am I wrong?


I don't believe I have to indicate what I mean by the term Copyright, but I will add some text as you advise. The term copyright means the exclusive right to reproduce the material, meaning no one else should be reproducing it.
Yes several pages were derived from the Hardware book. Years ago I placed a notice on those pages indicating the source, but as I enhanced and corrected the information, I removed that notice. His site indicates "May be copied and redistributed, partially or in whole, as appropriate"


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I can't say that my site is based on yours project (although there are ~15 documents containing interfacebus text or text fragments)
I should not have indicated your site is based on my site. What I think I meant was that much of the technical (text) information I saw was derived from my site.

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There are no pinouts.ru webpages that were verbatim copied from your website.
However, some my documents contain interfacebus.com texts or fragments of texts, as it marked by 'Source' link.
Thats correct, there are no pages copied, but the text fragments that were copied are verbatim.

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I'm respecting your author's rights and will apply any changes to this documents at your request.

Glad to hear it, I'll get back to you.
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« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2005, 08:23:21 »

I’ve been going through your site, and have discovered that the amount of information copied from my site exceeds what I was aware of. I have discovered that the [page] fragments from my site are in fact complete word-for-word copies of page sections. That is; my bus description [which may be 25%, or more of the page] is copied in its entirety.

I have completed a word-for-word comparison for 7 of the 13 pages which seem to contain my work. In 6 of the pages reviewed, the bus description is copied verbatim [to include HTML sub-script or formatting]. I wrote that text, the text belongs to interfacebus.com. The text in question should not have been copied [per my copyright notice] ~ a source links implies insight or knowledge was gained but not that the original work from another person was removed.

I list the pages in question below; my comments reside under each page address. The pages with out a comment have not been reviewed in detail. I will review the remaining pages by the end of the week end, and will get back with you.

I need you to remove all original text generated by Leroy Davis, please refer to the comments listed under the pinouts.ru page addresses.

On a personal note; I have a web site to run, and have already spent a great deal of time reviewing your site. I hope that you address these concerns quickly so that other web sites do not have a chance to reproduce my [copyright] information, thinking the information is in the public-domain [which is not the same as being visible by the public]. Of the dozen or so “pin-out” web sites, I seem to be the only electrical engineer running a web site ~ meaning my readers and I need information on embedded bus pin-outs for cPCI, PC104 or VME, and so on... I don’t understand why sites aimed at hobbyist require this information. ~ See additional comments after page listings below.


http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_pci_express.shtml
Source link listed on the page is fine, thank you ~ no change required [It did take an entire afternoon to develop that pin-out table].

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_agp.shtml
The entire technical bus description is copied verbatim. Please remove this information

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_CardBus.shtml
The entire technical bus description is copied verbatim. Please remove this information

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_CompactPCI.shtml
The entire technical bus description is copied verbatim [with a few word deletions]. Please remove this information. The entire technical connector description is copied verbatim. Please remove this information.


http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_i2c.shtml
The entire technical bus description for both Accessbus and I2C is copied verbatim. Please remove this information


http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_ieee1394.shtml
The entire technical bus description is copied verbatim. Please remove this information, from / to “Firewire [IEEE-1394] defines a ….. Each device determines its own address.” {This is the text description above the pinout table}


http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_ISA.shtml
The entire technical bus description is copied verbatim. Please remove this information.
From / to “The ISA bus operates at 8MHz ….. the AGP expansion slots.”
{This is the text description above the pinout table}


http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_Pc104.shtml


http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_PcCard.shtml

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_eia449.shtml

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_RS232.shtml

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_ieee488.shtml

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_AtaInternal.shtml

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_serialATA.shtml

http://www.pinouts.ru/data/pin_info-scsi.shtml


 I hope to see your response soon, regardless I will resend these pages addresses with the rest of my comments. ~ I can not tell if there were additional pin-out tables taken from my site, and I do not have the time to check, if there were I would request a link back to my site. Also if the table or information was taken in full, please e-mail back to request a “reproduced with permission” statement from interfacebus.com.

Leroy Davis
Electrical Engineer
Webmaster: www.interfacebus.com
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2005, 15:57:51 »

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I’ve been going through your site, and have discovered that the amount of information copied from my site exceeds what I was aware of. I have discovered that the [page] fragments from my site are in fact complete word-for-word copies of page sections. That is; my bus description [which may be 25%, or more of the page] is copied in its entirety.

I have completed a word-for-word comparison for 7 of the 13 pages which seem to contain my work. In 6 of the pages reviewed, the bus description is copied verbatim [to include HTML sub-script or formatting]. I wrote that text, the text belongs to interfacebus.com. The text in question should not have been copied [per my copyright notice] ~ a source links implies insight or knowledge was gained but not that the original work from another person was removed.

Thank you for such detailed exploration of my site. According to my internal datafiles you found everything included from your website.
May I ask you? Are you sure that complete removing of this information and links to your website will be useful for both our sites? I'm understood your wish to protect your information, but may be there are other ways than complete deleting?
I think this will be useful for both our sites. Our websites dedicated to different things of research, so we are not competitors. My website represents brief description of signals (pinouts) with short insight of how this work. And your website dedicated to deeper insight into interfaces and buses (as i understood).
May be it's possible to publish some of your materials at my website with your requirments for reproducing?

May I ask your permission to reproduce your information with notes of copyrights/reproducing/... rights belong to your site?
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2005, 20:36:00 »

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we are not competitors
Because of the way the web works, and how search engines function we can't help but be competitors.

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My website represents brief description of signals (pinouts) with short insight of how this work
As I have indicated the descriptions noted are directly lifted from interfacebus.com

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May I ask your permission to reproduce your information
I’m not inclined to allow my material to be posted on other web sites. See my e-mail comments for additional reasons.

Leroy
http://www.interfacebus.com
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2005, 19:24:35 »

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May I ask your permission to reproduce your information
I’m not inclined to allow my material to be posted on other web sites. See my e-mail comments for additional reasons.

Ok.
I'll remove your information (as suggested) and links during following 1-2 weeks.
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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2005, 03:47:01 »

That sounds fine. Thank you for your response. I'll resend those pages I did not comment on latter if required.

Leroy
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2005, 13:49:13 »

Your information has been removed (as requested). Please inform me if  something were missed.

In my opinion, such strict prohibiting of using any little fragments of your information harms to your site because your are loosing opportunity to obtain additional links and popularity to your project.

Are you satisfied with applied changes? May I consider that there are no interfacebus.com copyright violations at my site?
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2005, 10:42:46 »

Thank you, I will review the pages in question over the next few days …

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In my opinion, such strict prohibiting of using any little fragments of your information harms to your site because your are loosing opportunity to obtain additional links and popularity to your project.


I don’t agree. The fragments may have been 25% of the entire page, but they were 100% of the bus description section ~ I can’t allow that. Also, I lose control of my work as it’s copied to your page, as other web sites see it as open source [public domain].

I would add that, my link should have been added on your pages as a “to see a detailed description of this bus see this page” in the first place, instead of coping my work. If you copy my work and I later find and correct a mistake, your readers are left with the wrong data. Also you should not have assumed that because one web site used a ‘copyright’ notice as a page footer that I was also doing that ~ I should have been contacted first.

I’ve been working on this site for years, beginning in 1997, spending thousands of hours. You spend a few minutes coping parts of it. I spent half a day working up the PCI express pin-out pages; it’s copied to your site in minutes. Again I understand what I’m writing, I can see and correct my mistakes ~ if you need to copy it, that tells me you do not understand what resides on your pages ..

I could go on and on, but the bottom line is to keep your site current and correct, you would have to visit and copy my site on a per/month basis as I up-date my pages to correct errors ~ the correct approach would have been to have a link to my site, instead of taking my data.


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your are loosing opportunity to obtain additional links and popularity to your project


Again, my link should have been provided to indicate a site providing detailed information [without my data]. If my data is provided instead of my link then I have to assume that there is an attempt to redirect my visitors which would have been directed to my site to another site.

Or, I would rather have no link if it requires coping my work.


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your are loosing opportunity to obtain additional links and popularity to your project.


Maybe, your site is rated as a 3 on goggle, my site is a 6 or 7. So your links do me little good; but I have to say again, your coping data you can not verify [because I wrote it] and hope I do not up-date ~ because you don’t understand the text.

You have ‘links by goggle’ on your site which tells me your trying to make some money by site hits which would have based on my work, not your work.


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Are you satisfied with applied changes? May I consider that there are no interfacebus.com copyright violations at my site?
Give me a few days to reply, I get many e-mails
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2005, 14:27:56 »

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I’ve been working on this site for years, beginning in 1997, spending thousands of hours. You spend a few minutes coping parts of it.

My site was created in 1998 year. I didn't count hours spent on building them but I think it's comparable (taking into account greater number of documents).
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I spent half a day working up the PCI express pin-out pages; it’s copied to your site in minutes. Again I understand what I’m writing, I can see and correct my mistakes ~ if you need to copy it, that tells me you do not understand what resides on your pages ..

Did you collect this information by carefully probing / disassembling PCI-express device? I can't trust this. But I can trust that you've copied this information from some kind of PCI-E specification (without pointing to source). I'm not criticize your work - your site is great and contains unique information. But information placed at your website was created by using many sources created by other people. You are not inventor of all this interfaces and buses - you just collected information about them and wrote this info at your site. Please, remember it.
Again, I'm still thinking that strict prohibiting of using any short fragment of your website texts is NOT a best solution for driving additional popularity to your site......

Anyway, I think continuing this discussion is useless because I've removed your information as it was requested and now I'm waiting your reply about results of removal.


Thank you for discussion.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2005, 05:58:39 »

I looked over your pages today and did not see any of my content.

So I'm happy with what you have done, Thank you for your support.

Leroy
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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2005, 13:31:17 »

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I looked over your pages today and did not see any of my content.
So I'm happy with what you have done.

I'm glad to hear it.

Thank you for discussion.

Andrew.
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