NUMBER OF LINES: 999 001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19 1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2$************************* 23 SEP 91 ************************************** 3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator 4$************************************************************************** 5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately 8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general 9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the 10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all 11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the 12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data 13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out 14$the ENTER mode. 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(Or, in the vernacular - Made it to the Top!) 26 ::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::: 004=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/23/91 20:39 Msg:6531 Call:37428 Lines:6 27 &*&*&*&*'s 28 Post now, or risk another rambling and depressing post from me. 29 30 An Astral Dreamer 31 &*&*&*&*'s (All the world is a page.) 32 005=Usr:609 Doctor Duran Dur 09/23/91 21:43 Msg:6533 Call:37429 Lines:19 33 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 34 35 Ready to rage, ready to yell, 36 let's ring in the Fall with a golden bell. 37 Yes, once again, 38 depression will set in, 39 as it rains again, again, and again. 40 But that's OK -- just fine by me, 41 'time to cuddle, and share and see 42 What the new season will bring, 43 (let's all begin to sing). 44 45 FALL IS HERE, YEAH IT'S NEAR; 46 RAIN, RAIN, RAIN, AND WITH IT PAIN, 47 I GUESS I'LL JUST KEEP...RAM-BL-IN'-ON!!! 48 49 ...................................................Doctor Duran Duran 50 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IN THE EYES OF A STRANGER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 51 end mess. 006=Usr:31 The Doctor 09/24/91 09:49 Msg:6536 Call:37435 Lines:3 52 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 53 Milch: Did you get the mail that I sent you? 54 ??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? The Doctor 007=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/24/91 10:25 Msg:6537 Call:37436 Lines:7 55 56 Will wonders of the Information Age never Cease. Just when all government 57 bureaus are supposed to be cutting back we get to pay for DMV to maintan a 58 photo file. Then we get to pay $6.00 a shot every time the Police Department 59 wants to use it. Makes a whole *ell of alot of sense to me. But then I only 60 am another bozo on the bus ... 61 008=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/24/91 11:08 Msg:6538 Call:37437 Lines:3 62 63 I suppose they came up with this plan at some $37,000 retreat. 64 009=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/24/91 13:27 Msg:6539 Call:37439 Lines:6 65 &*&*&*&*'s 66 Lurk 67 68 An Astral Dreamer 69 &*&*&*&*'s (and a large one at that.) 70 010=Usr:232 bob lindski 09/24/91 13:45 Msg:6540 Call:37441 Lines:9 71 /////////////bob//////////// 72 and adding insults to injury....... 73 guv barbie is going around cities gathering support for 74 her "tax" reform (bowel) movement. 75 I thought the pub(l)ic specify "spend" reform in measure 5. 76 What you're talking 'bout Barbie? 77 And guess what..... she's embarking on a junket to Japan .. soon. 78 Tax & Tax & Tax = Spend & Spend & Spend & Spend. /////bob knows/// 79 011=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/24/91 14:28 Msg:6541 Call:37442 Lines:6 80 81 I would imagine the armies in attendance were mostly state, county, and city 82 workers extending the agendas of their supervisors. I think that's what 83 happened when the PPS Board had their so-called "open" meetings. I *DO* hold 84 out hope for Barb, however. We'll see. 85 012=Usr:92 Katherine Dohert 09/24/91 21:03 Msg:6543 Call:37446 Lines:1 86 *****lurkousmodus****kathyD*********************** 013=Usr:609 Doctor Duran Dur 09/24/91 22:11 Msg:6544 Call:37447 Lines:36 87 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 88 89 It's really a big joke when you have only one person representing(leading?) 90 an entire state, isn't it? 91 Trivia: 92 What major factor influenced voters to give Barbara Roberts support 93 when she first began in politics. 94 Give up? 95 Well, believe it or not, she has a handicapped child -- sympathy votes. 96 Voters believed that "she has experienced major disappointments in 97 her life." 98 Thus, her ability to relate, communicate and run a government office is 99 acceptable, right? HA! 100 Unfortunately, Barbie is going to have to take the back seat on this one -- 101 We need a TRUE democrat -- one who knows BUSINESS and can manage it, 102 within a framework of the common person's needs. 103 Hell, Barbie didn't even expect Measure 5 -- it cold-cocked her so fast, 104 that when she woke up, it sent her into shock! 105 And THAT is the hard-truth about it...she's going to have to come up with 106 some great ideas and see them through to the end to earn my respect. 107 Measure 5 is NOT her fault, though, far from it -- the bastard who wrote the 108 damn thing is so conservative, his shoes squeak when he walks. 109 The strong "backer" of the measure (who owns a few athletic clubs), also, 110 is a republican. The true story is that there were five men, altogether, 111 who all have their own businesses, were tired of being taxed out of 112 their "plus" column(profits), so they all got together and wrote this 113 Measure 5. Well, obviously, the terms of the measure were a little 114 extreme for their purposes, which made innocent people have to suffer. 115 I know a fireman and his family, who I would hate to see receive a salary 116 cut because of this thing!!! 117 Politics is just a gigantic tornado -- all the time... 118 I guess I've said my peace -- it's starting to bring me down... 119 120 .....................................................Doctor Duran Duran 121 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IN THE EYES OF A STRANGER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 122 end mess. 014=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/24/91 23:18 Msg:6545 Call:37448 Lines:18 123 &*&*&*&*'s 124 Measure 5 was a crock of shit, and anyone who voted for it didn't read 125 between the lines. Most of the money is going to big business, who of 126 course own large tracts of land. And if anybody thinks this state 127 can make it through without revenue replacement, think again. Nobody 128 in their right mind is going to settle in a state with a piss poor 129 infrastructure, even if the tax situation is great. Those are just 130 the breaks. 131 132 Me, I'm getting screwed from three differant directions. My rent goes 133 up, inspite of property tax reliefe, as a part time student I just 134 got assesed a big raise in tuition, and I may not have a job working 135 for the district after this year. (We're talking another 23 million 136 in cuts next year, and I know I'll be one of the first to go.) 137 138 An Astral Dreamer 139 &*&*&*&*'s (Feeling annoyed by it all.) 140 015=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/25/91 22:03 Msg:6554 Call:37462 Lines:3 141 142 13 calls, no messages. Why? 143 016=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/26/91 07:41 Msg:6559 Call:37468 Lines:15 144 145 AD: I don't think it was a sympathy vote. As the tale goes, Barbara took on 146 her school district, as a single parent of an autistic child, at a time when 147 the hateful patriarchial AMA/psychicatric community was telling these mothers 148 they were somehow personally responsible for traumatizing these children. And 149 her platform was that individuals could make a difference. What wasn't said 150 was this might have been at the time when there were strong federal mandates 151 regarding providing adequate special education (finally), plus she might also 152 have had a million-dollar Philadelphia lawyer to help, or might have known the 153 right people, and the District certainly WASN'T PPS, where they've got things 154 all tied up tight as a drum ... to say nothing about City politics. Actually, 155 I think it will take some kind of miracle or an excruciating crisis to turn 156 this society around and don't actually think individuals CAN make a difference, 157 but it is worth hoping for. 158 017=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/26/91 11:08 Msg:6560 Call:37470 Lines:6 159 160 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 161 Sometimes I feel like we've all died and gone to hell. 162 163 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 164 018=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/26/91 14:45 Msg:6561 Call:37475 Lines:37 165 166 Now let's see if we remember the Paul Allen/Bill Scott tales/legends/epics 167 correctly. Didn't it just happen that Paul Allen and Bill Gates were 168 by a fluke at the right place at the right moment ... that there were other, 169 probably better, options available for IBM to actively promote? As far as 170 secretarial use is concerned, I'm sure there could have been much easier 171 systems and **CERTAINLY** better safeguards. Personally, I get the im- 172 pression that most production generated by computer companies is done 173 under an ugly planned obsolescence policy, with not only high initial 174 charges for "incomplete" products but the same for endless subsequent 175 upgrades, thus making costs prohibitiveto "average" users, small busi- 176 nesses, and education systems, meanwhile creating mindless millionaires 177 (ihhh, excuse ... that should be billionaires) who only seem to trickly 178 down horrible attitudes. That Microsoft would attack educational systems 179 rather than bigger business or other wealthier groups over copyright 180 violation is, in my HUMBLE opinion [and I **KNOW** about opinions] just 181 is one such bad attitude to which I allude . And as many devout 182 Republicans are fond to use Japan, let me just say that if I remember 183 correctly from a PBS documentary, I once heard copyright restrictions do 184 NOT apply to commercial software used in Japanese schools (but then schools 185 there are strictly for the wealthy anyway, aren't they?). But that these 186 producers want absolutely dedicated 24-hour mind slaves for employees, as 187 some recent Microsoft lawsuits contend, is even worse. 188 189 But on with the tales. Now, was not Bill Scott (and wife Ruth) friends 190 with former Blazer Bill Walton (among OTHER things, such as School Board 191 Member and Past President of the APP)? And isn't he the one who wants US 192 to pay for remodeling HIS building in the vicinity of the new sports arena 193 so he can then rent them out to Metro, who just happens to be in charge of 194 the financial arrangements with Paul Allen for the new arena, which would 195 also takek over the Memorial Colisum, which WE all paid for? Sounds to me 196 like Mr. Scott and Mr. Allen have got themselves a real swell deal ... 197 similar to the City Center Parking farce. 198 199 But, of course, this is strickly a bad attitude from a social slob (AND 200 illiterate) at the Fifth Quintile. 201 019=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/27/91 07:35 Msg:6568 Call:37488 Lines:12 202 &*&*&*&*' 203 Actually, it wasn't me who slamed BR. 204 205 On the subject of DOS, yea they were in the right place at the right time. To 206 bad for the rest of us. 207 208 I tried windows on a 16MHz sx with 5 meg of ram yesterday, and when it 209 wasn't crashing it was actually fairly slick. 210 211 An Astral Dreamer 212 &*&*&*&*'s (Inside the moral kiosk.) 213 020=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/27/91 09:25 Msg:6570 Call:37494 Lines:6 214 215 Some Texas Republican quoting quintiles yesterday happened to mention 216 the poverty level was #13,000 for a family of 4 and I ask myself, when 217 that's not enough to support a 17-year old single, how do these folks 218 manage purchasing their five-year-olds $150 Nikes on demand? 219 021=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/27/91 10:22 Msg:6571 Call:37496 Lines:25 220 >+>+>+>+>+>++>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>++>+>+>+>+>+>+>++>+>+> 221 222 And it wasn't JUST difficulty in reading those horrible manuals and trying 223 to decipher commands, the largest employer in Oregon (and the one who has 224 your kids all day) insisted on forcing WordStar on everyone. You couldn't 225 get service for WordPerfect at all. It was so bad, in fact, that if you 226 even MENTIONED WordPerfect you were up for severe abuse forever after. When 227 I first got a hard disk and the rest of the department first got computers, 228 I was absolutely astounded we were forced to pay 3x the administrative price 229 for WordPerfect for a program that didn't support subdirectories which, I 230 felt was absolutely BASIC to efficient file retrieval. I think it was stated 231 hard disks were enabling you have a handy spell checker. Many of us also 232 had severe installation programs, which is extremely hard on new users but 233 also when you've only got new equipment. The scariest part was that it was 234 all too easy to lose all your work and not being able to get it back. I 235 was told the first time that there was no way ... period but somehow I heard 236 there was someone at the ad bldg that knew how and he DID get it back. User 237 Services finally did learn how to use Norton Utilities and they would help 238 you after that under certain conditions, but they always maintained we were 239 all too stupid to learn and never did encourage using subdirectories, al- 240 thought they did recommend all kinds of contrivances for tracking documents 241 (that took longer than actual input). 242 243 +>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+>+> and on, and on, and on, and on, and on ..... 244 022=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/27/91 10:34 Msg:6572 Call:37497 Lines:9 245 246 Of course, User Services had probably run into this problem before, and to 247 cut the embarrassment of hving people trapsing over to the ad bldg with 248 computers in two so a 21-yo tekkie could help them, admin's made rules you 249 absolutely positively could NOT move computers with hard disks ANYWHERE. 250 Since my boss was new and might not have realized the consequences for 251 breaking such rules, I did get permission to take it over. In fact, one of 252 my specialists helped me. 253 Two years later, I think, we got a WS upgrade (for what we could have gotten 023=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/27/91 13:46 Msg:6573 Call:37500 Lines:11 254 WP for originally and it did allow subdirectories, and I did use them despite. 255 And I did make DOS backupus as often as time allowed, never really trusting it. 256 And I was nervous as hell, always somewhat apprehensive and knowing I'd get 257 258 fired if it DIDN't work; but you'd lose alot if it was only 2 wks worth.* 259 day. And I did come back from summer break and find everything gone. Of 260 course I'd made a backup before I'd left and evidently I **WAS** lucky 261 because I found out later than the function wasn't at all reliable. I didn't 262 hear about Fastback until years later and then it was from the Electronics 263 Shop NOT User Services. 264 024=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/27/91 14:12 Msg:6574 Call:37501 Lines:8 265 I think most "users" were transferring all work to floppies, but I'm sure 266 they weren't doing it every two weeks. There were other hassles associated 267 with floppies, not the least of which was they were very easy to lose to and 268 you couldn't get them back, I was told, if you finked around with them after 269 you suspected you'd wiped it out which is what you HAVE to do if it is some- 270 thing somebody "needed" an hour ago but just got around to asking for it, 271 KNOWING that's what computers are for ... 272 025=Usr:609 Doctor Duran Dur 09/27/91 23:07 Msg:6578 Call:37510 Lines:28 273 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 274 275 POLITICS, POLITICS, POLITICS... 276 277 Webster quotes that it is a "science of government; political beliefs, 278 affairs." Then, what the hell is a politician? Let's see here -- 279 "one engaged in politics." Oh great!!! Let's go back to the definition 280 of politics -- the science of government. Government, "political rule 281 and authority; governing organization; system by which power is vested 282 and exercised." 'Sounds like a big circle to me! It seems that the 283 word, "people" is left out somewhere. Now there's a point of discussion. 284 "We the people, of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, 285 establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common 286 defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of 287 Liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this 288 Constitution for the United States of America." 289 This country was built on values that have long been lost -- where are we 290 going without these simple values, with the amount of power we have? 291 It's really sad to think that I don't have a voice in the matter -- in fact, 292 I feel so apathetic sometimes, it hurts to see the amount of money 293 everyone gets taken out of their hard-earned pay (the working class, 294 that is). 295 "The RICH get richer, and the POOR get poorer." What a helluva campaign 296 promise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 297 298 .............................................Doctor Duran Duran 299 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IN THE EYES OF A STRANGER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 300 end mess. 026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/28/91 18:37 Msg:6580 Call:37523 Lines:9 301 &*&*&*&*'s 302 Politics only works when the government protects the common people. Big 303 business is more then capable of taking care of itself. When government 304 actually tries to aide big business at the cost of common people, well 305 lets just say that things get rather silly, and very unpleasant. 306 307 An Astral Dreamer 308 &*&*&*&*'s 309 027=Usr:609 Doctor Duran Dur 09/28/91 20:07 Msg:6581 Call:37524 Lines:9 310 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 311 312 To work is to earn money, 313 therefore, I am. 314 (Such a prominent statement, eh?) 315 316 ....................................................Doctor Duran Duran 317 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IN THE EYES OF A STRANGER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 318 end mess. 028=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/29/91 09:19 Msg:6583 Call:37533 Lines:23 319 320 {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ 321 322 SooooOOOOo, we see Bob threw another "charity" party, with a little help from 323 his cousins/friends/KATU publicists ... and a "progressive" party at that! At 324 a time when prominent white city "fathers" (emperor/gods) are pushing the 325 credo that the only "good" Hispanics are the ones toiling in outlying cu- 326 cumber fields at shamefully meager wages and "provided" living conditions 327 that would probably be considered unfit for livestock (actually, I think the 328 have to PAY to stay in that filth, don't they?) and arresting all such strays 329 downtown as Mexican Mafia members (who probably REALLY work for and armed to 330 the teeth by these same prominent downtown businessmen and their clients and 331 bureaucratic friends), it would seem only fitting they'd go "ON" to honor 332 their pawns by featuring Spanish cuisine. Well, at least they've got a 333 sense of humor. Music provided by the Strings Attached trio enchoed the 334 same attitude as holding Board meetings (where monumental and expensive 335 budget decisions regarding certain administrators were made) at Shennani- 336 gans. Ironic that ONE of the most flagrant Board members (and downtown 337 lawyer [pronounced LIAR]), Forrest "Joe" Rieke, was honored at this same 338 event. I'm sure his mother would be proud. 339 340 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} and on, and on, and on ...... 341 029=Usr:604 Chemo Sabe 09/29/91 09:57 Msg:6584 Call:37534 Lines:5 342 343 Gee, I'm suprised the benevolent Blazer/blonde bombshell contingents 344 weren't mentioned as attendees a they are such good rolemodel/mentors 345 for young audiences. Not only could these discuss divvying up deductions 346 030=Usr:604 Chemo Sabe 09/29/91 10:54 Msg:6585 Call:37535 Lines:4 347 for the new sports arena but Mr. Allen could share w/Bob plans for his new 348 underground garage to serve up his trinket du jour via a computer-controlled 349 electronic ramp. 350 031=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/29/91 12:06 Msg:6586 Call:37540 Lines:12 351 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+= A STICTCH IN TIME +=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ 352 353 Or the Blazer Home people, whose ostentacious charity festivities at the 354 Peachtree Mission "Street of Dreams" property, no doubt provided dandy 355 deductions for all involved. 356 357 And regarding another entry above, wonderful Japanese school system is 358 probably financed with all the money they saved from not putting it into 359 overkill "defense" programs. 360 361 =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+==++=+=+=+=+=+=+ Die-Hard =+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+ 362 032=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/29/91 12:52 Msg:6587 Call:37541 Lines:7 363 364 And it was Kathleen, too, that had Julie Emery present honors to NWREL at 365 just the precise time they were called in to negotiate for the Board's lack 366 of concern over issues presented them ... and Bob was on KATU telling us all 367 how to cut back employee benefits to hispic levels (as a public SERVICE, of 368 course). Cozy circles. 369 033=Usr:609 Doctor Duran Dur 09/29/91 21:30 Msg:6588 Call:37550 Lines:17 370 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 371 372 That last entry was a good one -- I got lost a couple of times, but 'could 373 see the picture anyway. In fact, (whoever was that last caller) had 374 a good insight towards the big "CIRCLE" (pronounced, CIRCUS), politics, 375 and the use/abuse of the "common lad". Thank you. 376 377 For those readers out there: go ahead and leave a message, say something... 378 379 Tomorrow will come soon to fast, 380 as I sleep through the future 381 and wake up in the past. 382 Time for work.... 383 384 .....................................................Doctor Duran Duran 385 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IN THE EYES OF A STRANGER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 386 end mess. 034=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/29/91 22:09 Msg:6590 Call:37551 Lines:35 387 ************************************************************************** 388 389 I went to sleep with gum in my mouth and now there's gum in my hair and when 390 I got out of bed this morning I tripped on the skateboard and by mistake I 391 dropped my sweater in the sink while the water was running and I could tell 392 it was going to be a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day... 393 394 I think I'll move to Australia... 395 396 At school Mrs. Dickens liked Paul's picture of the sailboat better than my 397 picture of the invisible castle. 398 At singing time she said I sang too loud. At counting time she said I left 399 out sixteen. Who needs sixteen? 400 I could tell it was going to be a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. 401 ...we went to the shoestore to buy some sneakers. Anthony chose white ones 402 with blue stripes. Nick chose red ones with white stripes. I chose blue ones 403 with red stripes but then then the shoe man said, We're all sold out. They 404 made me buy plain old white ones, but they can't make me wear them. 405 When we picked up dad at his office he said I couldn't play with his copy 406 machine, but I forgot. He also said to watch out for the books on his desk, 407 and I was as careful as could be except for my elbow. He also said don't 408 fool around with the phone, but I think I called Australia. My dad said 409 please don't pick him up anymore. 410 411 There were lima beans for dinner and I hate limas. 412 There was kissing on TV and I hate kissing. 413 My bath was too hot, I got soap in my eyes, my marble went down the drain, 414 and I had to wear my railroad-train pajamas. I hate my railroad-train 415 pajamas. 416 417 It has been a terrible, horrible, no good, very bad day. 418 My Mom says some days are like that...Even in Australia. 419 -Alexander 420 421 ************************************************************************** 035=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/30/91 08:24 Msg:6597 Call:37557 Lines:13 422 423 Wonderful entry above!!! I hope you are a parent. 424 425 And sorry for the confused messes I have left. I make more sense when I sit 426 down and write out my entries first instead of composing on the board ... but 427 that's sometimes too time-consuming (even though all I have now is time 428 ). Since I can probably get sued or something for saying such things, 429 it would behoove me to be more responsible and careful. Actually, my hope is 430 once I download (or is it upload) this stuff, it won't bother **ME** so much. 431 Problem is, though, I've hardly scratched the surface. So you see, it's not 432 just carelessness and irresponsibility ... I'm also extremely SELFISH . One thing for sure, it's not helping me get a job. 434 036=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/30/91 10:49 Msg:6598 Call:37560 Lines:27 435 436 ************************************************************************ 437 438 Regarding one of the above entries, I would add that after the Shenanigan 439 decision to raise McElroy's salary to unbelievable levels, administrative 440 decrees were issued to cease publication of certain print-outs of salary 441 info that everyone needed to fill out monthly timecards, most especially 442 sub cards. As it ended up, you had to CALL Personnel to get the informa- 443 tion. When required to complete timecards for a committee of 20, for 444 instance- this could become a real hassle. And if you worked for FIVE 445 people with multiple committees, it could almost become ANOTHER major 446 component of our vague yet all-inclusive job descriptions. Of course, 447 underlings in Personnel weren't fond of this new obstacle/imposition any 448 more that WE were and often (but NOT always, there was an exception) made 449 us feel like total pests for even calling. Overall, I wa left with the 450 impression we were being "punished" because **WE** were somehow abusing 451 the "system," **NOT** the Board or Administration. And all this when I'm 452 sure there was some more efficient way of hiding the information -- like 453 revising the printout t delete "certain" adinistrators and all salaries, 454 leaving only the need SS#s and some kind of code for payRATES. But 455 NooOOOooOoooo ... 456 457 (I *KNOW* there's 3 errors: I'm NOT going to correct them. This is NOT a test 458 of my writing or secretarial ability.) 459 460 *************************************************************************** 461 037=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/01/91 05:33 Msg:6603 Call:37572 Lines:4 462 463 SCOOTERDUDE/BIKERTYKE: I called the # in the paper but discovered you had 464 to write and I'm illiterate. 465 038=Usr:604 Chemo Sabe 10/01/91 06:55 Msg:6604 Call:37575 Lines:45 466 467 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ AIN'T TOURISM GREAT!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 468 (and other complaints) 469 470 Alwaysaming to remain consistent, I sighted some more fine examples of our 471 hard-earned middle class tax dollors powerfully at work this weekend. On 472 one of my too infrequent excursions downtown (especially in search of 473 "work"), I happened to observe a while horde of city copys in hot pursuit 474 of several 14-yr-old Hispanic "hoodlums." Nice to know those Old Town 475 merchants are so well protected against the heinous crimes of such vicious 476 alient outlaws. 477 478 Also happened upon the irritating massive traffic jams created by Horst's 479 New (Second) Annual Hoopla ... and Low & Beehold, there they were again; 480 Portland's Finest directing Festival traffice (**NOT** enforcing the well- 481 publicized neighborhood PARKING restrictions ... soiree cars were SUPPOSED 482 to be TICKETED/TOWED). The entire Willamette Park East parking lot was 483 packed (you'da had to PAY to park tere just weeks ago) and I can imagine 484 parking and cess to Willamette West and Selwood Parks was also blocked ... 485 real swell since we're not likely to be up for too many more sunny weekends 486 this year. And there was no neighborhood parking ANYWHERE (probably not 487 even for the neighbors). I'da been TOTALLY steamed if I lived in the area 488 or had planned a group picnic for one of the area parks. Also, I can't 489 help but wonder what impact Horst's carneval has on Mt. Angel's historic 490 Oktoberfest, probably a mainstay of that economy; seems to be most folk 491 would be festered out. At least he didn't slate it as some phony charity 492 event (or DID he; probably wudda provided him some gargantuan deductions). 493 But like the rest of his ilk, I'm sure he's convinced he IS doing us all 494 an overwhelmingly wonderful public service. Either way, I'm glad I hadn't 495 been driven clear over to Sellwood intending to drag half my worldly 496 possession nd four dogs down to the beach to enjoy a leisurely afternoon. 497 The dogs wudda been heartbroken. 498 499 And I can't imagine what Sunday was like with the added stress of the 500 Marathon throngs and all. Hope they'll give a public account of police 501 patrol and clean up costs for all this festivity. Seems we're getting 502 a taste of how frustrating it must be to reside at Cannon Beach or Sea- 503 side ... and I can presume we can expect it will only get worse. In our 504 current identity crisis and quest to become San Francisco/Seattle clones, 505 maybe we could just declare Portland a giant Theme Park and proclaim it a 506 new civic duty to become Major Party Animals. 507 508 ....... Like the lottery, just think how many below-minimum-wage-level 509 jobs Tourist must create ................................ 510 039=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/01/91 07:37 Msg:6605 Call:37576 Lines:20 511 512 |||||||||||||||||||| And the Hate Crimes Continue |||||||||||||||||||||||| 513 514 The Hispanics downtown are probably REALLY cucumber pickers dropped off 515 down there for an afternoon of "fun" by farm tycoons in hopes they'll be 516 picked up by police or immigration authorities BEFORE they've been paid. 517 There were some treeplanting contractors like that. They'd take bunches 518 of 'em out to the toolies in old schoolbuses for 10-15 days at a time 519 then, probably with a little help from their Whorehouser friends, would 520 arrange to have the "authorities" raid just prior to payday. The Universe 521 did, however, take care of one of that ilk whose bus stalled one icey, 522 foggy morning on one of those tracherous logging roads on the way to a 523 "unit." Seeme he got out of his bus just about the time a logging truck 524 was passing by and to jump out of the way. As it happened, the bus was 525 stalled on a bridge and he jumped right into the drink hundreds of feet 526 below! 527 528 ....Maybe we can start a "don't get hit by a bus" warning campaigng for 529 these types of people. It worked on The Twilight Zone ............. 530 040=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/01/91 09:11 Msg:6606 Call:37578 Lines:3 531 532 ........ Besides, I don't speak English. 533 041=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 10/01/91 13:27 Msg:6607 Call:37580 Lines:12 534 535 { 536 537 Hey there Hi there Ho there, what gives? What, no stories, no 538 tales of "Zod wuleing the wold", no intellectual debate? What has 539 happened since I was last here? It's been a long time (I'm calling 540 from work) and yet it only seems like yesterday. I'll call back 541 when I can (if I can - I'm on the clock ;-) to see what's happening. 542 543 Hagbard Celine. 544 545 } 042=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/01/91 14:31 Msg:6608 Call:37583 Lines:13 546 &*&*&*&*'s 547 Hagbard, debate is impossible when conversation is one way, as it is 548@with the major contributor to that sort of thing 549 in the case of the person who enters all the stuff that is open to 550 debate. As for stories, that takes time and a lot of effort. 551 There was a decent amount of poetry a disk or so back, but that has 552 not so much been the case recently. 553 554 Oh well, the disks go on anyway. 555 556 An Astral Dreamer 557 &*&*&*&*'s 558 043=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/01/91 14:40 Msg:6609 Call:37584 Lines:44 559 560 So glad to see SOME others MAY be on somewhat the same wave length. I 561 usually get static for my tirades here >.. but then I WAS a little up- 562 tight and personal. In fact, I did even Cease for awhile to contemplate 563 my uh hmmmm ... Opinions (with the help of three strategically-placed 564 mirrors) ... but diehard that I am, there was no majikal transformation, 565 so I'm back to harangue for awhile more. Actually, for reasons I can't 566 go into, I can't concentrate on reading right no so I'll substitute 567 writing diatribes until the frustration ebbs. 568 569 So in that frame of mind and after thinking about the City Circus Circle 570 all night long, I just logged on to explain how funny I find it that in 571 submitting my well-documented reports on being Ceaselessly gang-raped by 572 two separate but equal gangster groups for the past 10 years, it boils 573 down to ONE couple (or ex-couple ... whichever) .. Steve and Gretched 574 (hey, I LIKE that!!) Kafoury. 575 576 Although I subitted a thorough, well-documented report to Mr. Kafoury 577 (through Mr. Rieke) way back in April, I still haven't heard Word One 578 from him (or Mr. Rieke either). Actually, I'd originally submitted much 579 the same report to the Entire Board on the day they held their meeting 580 to decide my Fate a year and a half ago, but I never heard from them 581 THAT time either. I'd only done the report because they refusd to hear 582 m out in one of their specially-scheduled "executive" meetings (or what- 583 ever the heck they call them). I submitted it the second time because it 584 said in the daily that the Board had reformed. So much for reform, huh? 585 586 I suppose I can expect the same from Grechen with regard to the history 587 I am submitting regarding the historic housing development in my neigh- 588 borhood as it applies, among other things, to certain city bureaus and 589 590 not only what the did to the entire neighborhood, but more specifically 591 to my 78-year-0old mother (84+ now) and me (with a little help from their 592 Friends). Ms. Kafoury is doing analysis on just such things, you know. 593 Reform research, she says. I've already sent some lengthy letters on 594 aspects of the problems to a few bureaus and the Mayor's office via 595 Certified Mail (which I also delivered in person and had them sined for), 596 but they only scratched the surface. I wish I had a better sense of 597 humor because the whole things was SUCH a joke (and continues to be) it 598 would make a fun read with a good writer ... and a wonderful movie! 599 600 But, geesh, you'd sue think this was a one-horse town or something the 601 way the same 2-5 industrialists seem to be In Charge. Wouldn't you?? 602 044=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/01/91 15:00 Msg:6610 Call:37586 Lines:7 603 604 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 605 We KNOW the first line of the above entry does not apply to you, AD. You 606 got your own uhhhhHHh Opinion to cover. 607 608 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sorry we're not ALL poets .... 609 045=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 10/01/91 15:19 Msg:6611 Call:37588 Lines:49 610 611 { 612 613 Whatever happened to personal initiative? Whatever happened to 614 being able to wake up in the morning and seeing the sun with NO 615 SMOG? Whatever happened to the "green" in Oregon? It seems "brown" 616 to me now. 617 618 Actually, it seems to me that SEVERAL ideas and problems need to be 619 linked together and worked out. Why have a highway system that was 620 originally designed as a national dense system? 621 622 Oops- that's defense system. Anyway, why can't we have a bullet train 623 stationed here in Oregon for the use of the public? Think of the money 624 saved from NOT repaving some of the worst engineering in the world. Does 625 anyone have any idea how much it costs to repave one foot of freeway? 626 Are you aware of the fact that the world produces more food that what 627 it needs? That means everyone can eat and live a life free of starvation - 628 but what stops all of this from happening? What keeps great ideas and 629 great people from reaching a reality? Dyanetics certainly isn't the 630 answer - in fact, if you want to see the answer, look in the mirror. 631 All people are important - at least, the last time I checked. 632 How is it that I earn less than $9800 a year, and I've been to 633 college, have had several years of teaching and technical training, and 634 yet people who can't spell simple 5th-grade words correctly make 635 FIVE times the amount that I do? Me thinks it to be an imperfect world 636 by human standards. Or, maybe this is Paradise, and everyone is 637 to blind to see it. What happens when 80% of the population is 638 earning less than $6.00 an hour - and don't think that it isn't 639 happening now - and you can only afford to be in debt for the rest of 640 your life? I'll be lucky if I ever own a home - I'm now 23, married, and 641 still strugling to establish a future. But that doesn't mean that 642 I have switched my brain "off" - it only means there's more meaningless 643 work to do in my life. 644 645 Whoa! Too much rambling. Scary. Especially when I'm forgetting 646 10% of what I learned every year, for the past 5 years. I can't even 647 do simple algebra anymore. My literacy has dropped two grade levels. 648 I feel like I'm dyeing inside, and I can't stop it from happening. 649 650 What does everyone think I should do? NO flames, NO smart-ass 651 replys, NO hot wind. This is a serious proposal. If I can't figure out 652 the remaining puzzles in life, then I'll leave it to you. The people 653 of the world are my only hope left. And most of them have attitude 654 problems (or is it just Portland in general?) 655 656 A Ponderous Hagbard Celine. 657 658 } 046=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/01/91 16:51 Msg:6612 Call:37589 Lines:24 659 &*&*&*&*'s 660 SC, I suspect it is more your tone then what you have to say that 661 causes you problems. People naturally resist hearing things that 662 are unpleasent to them, especially if you are speaking the truth. 663 664 Hagbard, good question. I wish I could offer some decent advice. 665 Alas, what you are going through is outside of my own knowing. 666 I don't know what you trained for, so I can't be sure why you 667 are having problems. 668 669 In general, I will say that life has a tendancy to be less then fair, 670 That old addage about it being who you know rather then what you know 671 is unfortunetly largly true. I've been lucky enough to know the 672 right people. And believe me, I don't go out of my way to get to 673 know people. Quite the opposite. 674 675 Hmm, now that I think about it, I remember you knowing a good deal 676 about computers... I have a friend who has had his degree for a 677 couple of years now (in CS) he still hasn't found a full time 678 permanent position. Thats not unusual 679 680 An Astral Dreamer 681 &*&*&*&*'s (Making good money until june. then...) 682 047=Usr:116 ted mittelstaedt 10/01/91 20:43 Msg:6613 Call:37593 Lines:4 683 Well, Hagbard, I have only one word for you. LEARN! Do you read much? 684 How about checking out the Public Library? Exercise your brain, get it 685 moving again. That is the only way. 686 ====================================================================== 048=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/02/91 15:58 Msg:6615 Call:37606 Lines:17 687 688 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& and on, and on, and on 689 690 So NOW these big business computer companies are going to actively pursue 691 INDIVIDUALS slave over home computers trying to learn or complete work 692 "homework." And you could actually GO TO JAIL when they don't even have 693 "rooms" for murderers???? What do they do? Have the POLICE come to 694 your house, when they can't "cover" anything but murders at present??? 695 We we PAY for this??? 696 697 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& that's what the "teaser" is on KATU .......... 698 699 BTW, The KATU New secretary is sharp, sharp, sharp. She gave me just 700 the info I wanted today; and the other day when I called to inquire 701 about Mr. Angel's Oktoberfest, she was actually able to give me the dates, 702 off the top. AND she has a sense of humor! 703 049=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/02/91 17:36 Msg:6616 Call:37612 Lines:20 704 ----- 705 Whew! That's not the case. I may be even worse, really. You can't put 706 software YOU purchased on your computers at work. And most programs don't 707 fit on a single disk, so you can't load it in a drive. If you want to use 708 something YOU've purchased to help you do a job you want to do more effic- 709 iently, you have to put the program on and take the program off each day, 710 and probably take it all home with you at night. Ganderpoop! How can you 711 personally use the same program in two places at one time??? So is it 712 against the law (will you be put in jail by your employer) if you bring 713 a laptop? They wouldn't let ME use the new Mac at work, so I bought one 714 of my own and WAS going to take it to work with me everyday. Some employers, 715 I'll tell you. 716 717 So how do the Software Police get into businesses to check these things out? 718 The secretary at KATU said they "caught" someone at the State. So, who's 719 "they," how did "they" catch "them," what did they do to the person, and 720 how much BS is this, anyway? 721 722 What control, really. 723 050=Usr:604 Chemo Sabe 10/02/91 17:59 Msg:6617 Call:37613 Lines:109 724 ####### If I SOUND like a Smart-Ass, MAYBE it's because I *AM* One ###### 725 (but since I don't have a health plan, maybe I'll never know!) 726 727 HC: Ignore those answer above ; those two are temporarily satiated. 728 I'd say to follow *MY** example (and those of ranters on other 729 boards) and take a good look around you, then scream like hell at the top 730 of your lungs, if for no OTHER reason that our police chief has just de- 731 clared he is now going to edit the news (along with the big business con- 732 cerns that already do, especially at KATU). But, of course, there ARE 733 other reasons to cream; not the least of which is that our workplaces are 734 [mostly] strictly-controlled Wastelands. And because we seem to spend 735 more waking hours in the workplace/marketplace than with our families/SOs/ 736 POSSL-Qs <-GRIN, many of our homes have become much the same way (**NOT** 737 the OTHER way around, as the shrinks would have you believe). It seems 738 like we're ripped off daily not only of our money and time, but our dig- 739 nity and self-respect; not only in the workplace, marketplace, and lis- 740 tening to KATU news . Just "teasing." And the secret of this 741 mystifying control *I THINK* is that "they" effective leverage ("pit" 742 if you will) people against each other. For instance tonight Randy Ripp 743 states the biggest cause of Software Police Search/Seizures is due to 744 mutual employee animosities. 745 746 Now from your too few postsing here, I remember you to be an intelligent, 747 humorous, almost magical writer with a wonderful ear for words (I "acci- 748 dently" stole partof your name). That you also agonize, I think, shows 749 healthy balance. I would, therefore, recommend you NOT develop that 750 Pollyanna-type Jeff+Julie "positive attitude" you are told you MUST have 751 to remain [un]gainfully employyed ($9000 yr FULL TIME??) ... the one 752 we've had drummed into your heads/hearts from the day we were born, all 753 dring our socialization/school careers and reinforced by most parents 754 [for the middle class it's just EASIER that way], clergy, THE MEDIA, 755 doctors, merchants, peers, politicians, advertisers, MGM, governments, 756 Property-Thinking New-Age Self-Help Texts/"Therapists), etc., etc., 757 etc., ... AND that attitude which, if you STILL don't "have 758 *IT*, could be required/acquired for 70x what you make an hours from 759 some member of the AMA's counseling/psychiatric community. (Just make 760 sure you're not paying for that plundering *AND* having your profile 761 sent to the DMV, because that wouldn't be fair.) 762 763 Actually, what I think we need is a verbal free-for-all with EVERYBODY 764 unloading. As a group, I think we need to individuall ARGUE what WE 765 want from a community, as well as what we DON'T want. But when you 766 start doing THAT, the satiated start labeling you just plain stupid 767 (for starters, which may sometimes be TRUE, but don't let that deter you 768 ), rebellious, out o touch with reality (whatever the hell REALITY 769 is .. I mean, what IS it???), uninformed, petentious, insane, an ingrate, 770 and most horribly, the "n" word ... NEGATIVE (the AMA, BTW, has MUCH more 771 effective labels if you've got the money and/or a Health Plan ... just 772 don't let them send your prognosis to the DMV). 773 774 About the money, you DO have age on your side. And if that runs out, 775 you could always rish your chancesof a long life and become a dope dealer 776 for some major local/state/federal industrialist or government official 777 OR go to divinity school ... whichever. But hey, things MAY get 778 better, especially if we all scream BLOODY MURDER, in unison. 779 780 I **DO** think w need to edit our person Great American Dreams, though, 781 because the Universe doesn't have the resousrces to keep our Great Trinket 782 Machines running; besides we can exploit the Third World forever. And 783 despite what the Great Bushwhacker might say, I do believe people ARE 784 getting smarter; and if not smrter, maybe wiser; and if not us, then 785 maybe them! But whether he's ACTUALLY offering better education or NOT, 786 what we do need now is some HOPE for the future, where "enable" isn't a 787 four-letter word and wealth isn't the sole ame, with some measure of 788 DIGNITY in the meantime. Telling people, now that the current recession 789 has taken a toll, to get off their big white rump and develop ever newer 790 ways to "create" even MORE "needs" or ever more slick methods of becoming 791 a middleman in the delivery of those needs (so we can pay more for them) 792 AND to take at least 10 others off into the ozone with them on their 793 shakey business ventures, definitely doesn't seem to be an aswer ... and 794 NOT just becauuse we may not HAVE an ozone one of these days . 795 796 Seriously, though, I think Gov. Roberts shouldl show videos of her state- 797 wide town hall meetings and start announcing what SHE'S found people want. 798 Knowing the OPTIONS/ALTERNATIVES upfront WOULD put us in an ever so much 799 better position when trying to "help" solve the problems and NOT merely 800 continuing to fork over megabucks to those who would say only THEY "under- 801 stand" the "complexities." And once we know the Options, we might want to 802 determine who "they" are. I'm sure you made note that COP employees re- 803 ceived "threats" in their paychecks they' 804 d BETTER attend the Portland meeting, most probably to promote "party 805 lines." And we all know who owns the City/County commissioners. And 806 "they" were probably there too. So were all these meetings stacked 807 statewide??? 808 809 Unfortunately, I think the entire country will probably continue to be run 810 by special interests until we develop some definite ones of our own, and 811 My Excuse is that you can't do that until you have FORTHRIGHT information 812 and an accurate overall perspective -- THE BIG IDEA, as I remember it from 813 school "lesson" plans. What I'd like to know is how do you geet THAT if 814 you're always being thwarted from gaining that information, then "politely" 815 ??? silenced? Forinstance, have you ever tried to get information, accurate 816 or otherwise, from a City bureau??? Long about the 16th transfer you MIGHT 817 get a shred, but it would almost take a research grant and a staff of 10 to 818 verify it's accuracy. 819 820 So that is why I recommend to "JUST DO IT" ... My Way, Your Way, Anyway. 821 Download those Opinions on BBSs and hope someone will upload some sensible 822 answers/alternatives. Believe it or not, I've even started LISTENING 823 albeit sometimes not to carefully, especially when "teasers" are inserted 824 in between other advertising you're trying to ignore. I love the ranters 825 on the other boards and am actually RESPONDING with my OWN opinions (whether 826 they like it or not AND even though I don't own a Ph.D., MD, M.A., B.A., 827 Associate's degree, etc.). Although the Universe hasn't changed according 828 to my wishes and specifications, at least I know everybody hasn't completely 829 died and gone to hell, and the isolation isn't as great. 830 831 ############# Sorry, HD. A Smart-Ass is all I **CAN** be ############### 832 Given my Current Options 051=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/02/91 19:06 Msg:6618 Call:37614 Lines:15 833 &*&*&*&*'s 834 Soon after making my advice entry I started to realize something. I 835 don't know how, and I don't know when, but at some point in the past 836 I changed in a very fundamental way. I became accustomed to 837 good fortune. And worse still, I almost forgot that it can be 838 taken away at any time, and ofteen it is totally out of our power as 839 we are so interdependant on the good will of people we don't even 840 know, and probably wouldn't like if we did. 841 842 As I've said before, the game is stacked against us. I'm even 843 starting to wonder if I can get anywhere near breaking even. 844 845 An Astral Dreamer 846 &*&*&*&*'s (If I don't live by my own ideal, who will?) 847 052=Usr:609 Doctor Duran Dur 10/02/91 22:50 Msg:6620 Call:37617 Lines:23 848 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 849 850 Great messages, guys...keep the BS flowing for the BBS, you know??? 851 852 POETRY CORNER: 853 854 To rant and rave, 855 to live in a cave, 856 how cold and lonely that would be... 857 To speak like a slime, 858 and not spare a dime, 859 you look to me like a pea. (Jack) 860 861 To you I am a giant, 862 you shiver like a fig, 863 ready to be eaten alive... 864 If you want to avoid me, 865 you must speak like dogmeat, 866 and never, ever look me in the eye!!! 867 868 ...................................................Doctor Duran Duran 869 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IN THE EYES OF A STRANGER<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 870 end mess. 053=Usr:610 Peace 10/02/91 23:54 Msg:6623 Call:37618 Lines:14 871 Egads! What a frightening discusion in progress. I remember nights several 872 years ago, when I was just out of high school. The world seemed to cave 873 in on me, and I'd curl into fetal position, cowering and sobbing pathetic- 874 ally to whoever happened to be there. "I'm scared. I'm so scared." I said 875 it over and over again, with no knowlegde of what it was that frightened 876 me so much. Now I know. I'm living it. 877 878 My question is: How do you know when to quit? Where do you draw a line 879 between a system that is just barely working and one that isn't. When 880 do you fire the starting gun for the revolution? Who do you go after 881 first? 882 883 Trying not to give in to the mindlessness... 884 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Peace $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 054=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/03/91 07:45 Msg:6625 Call:37624 Lines:4 885 886 The Revolution PROBABLY won't start until the DMV has a complete list of 887 gun owners .... Diehard <-Grin (I can be just as irritating as THEY can) 888 055=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/03/91 08:52 Msg:6626 Call:37626 Lines:6 889 890 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ What i wanna know is WHY did Tigard Fred Meyer's 891 Megabuck Machine have a sign announcing a $23,000,000 prize the week it 892 was only up to $17,0000 .... perhaps it was just a "teaser." 893 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@Sometimes ya just hafta wonder, doncha? 894 056=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/03/91 13:05 Msg:6627 Call:37628 Lines:10 895 896 HEY ################### What kinda question is that???? 897 898 Like the question of employer's "integrity" tests regarding Morning Consti- 899 tutionals and not knowing whether to answer Y or N, I'm not sure about the 900 question about Commissioners -- is it the highest bidder or do they have 901 loyalties? 902 903 ################################################## anyway? .......... 904 057=Usr:604 Chemo Sabe 10/04/91 08:40 Msg:6629 Call:37646 Lines:8 905 906 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& And the Smug Shenanigans Continue &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 907 908 It certainly looks like tere **WAS** a deevorce. Good lord, Steve is for 909 Vera and Gretchen is for Earl. But, hey, how do those deductions work for 910 all those books Earl's "giving away?" Do both the Young Mr. Powerll AND 911 Earl The Pearl get STrings Attached "charity" deductions ... and is the 912 "worth" of said books being computated as campaign contributions AND 058=Usr:604 Chemo Sabe 10/04/91 08:46 Msg:6630 Call:37647 Lines:15 913 costs ... and are these "values" computated via Cameron or Powell buy- 914 back/resale difference rates? Earl really does hve hisself a very Cle[A}ver 915 plan, though. See, tis way he can probably use the same people TWICE -- 916 once for the anonymously-contributed used goods (for which "charity" 917 rceipts were likely issued) AND THEN for their cash "donations" as well! 918 Earl gets twice the mileage (why aren't geniuses like THAT working for 919 the auto industry???). And just think, he can "Do" personal deliveries 920 of charity AND "perform" the "functions" of Commissioner too. Also, I 921 can imagine the efforts could Loosely be categorized both as exception- 922 ally civic-minded "10,000 Points of Light" **AND** "Environmental" ventures 923 a well. Homeboy's done Good, woudn't you say??? 924 925 &&& How many middleman deductions can YOU create for one "charity" contri- 926 bution??? &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 927 059=Usr:322 Stray Cat 10/04/91 10:19 Msg:6631 Call:37648 Lines:3 928 929 +#;`{ ............ Labman: I cannot log on, perhaps do to the new Son? 930 060=Usr:232 bob lindski 10/04/91 13:31 Msg:6632 Call:37649 Lines:10 931 ////////////////bob the cat///////// 932 Now that the City Council of Portland has approved an ODDinance banning 933 discrimination against homosexuals, the question here now is : 934 HOW to decide Who's homo, Who's not ? Would the Court or the judge 935 order an examination (biopsy :-) of the diencephalon area of the hypo- 936 thalamus, or simply require the plaintiff to fudge-pack in Court? 937 938 I am not losing too much sleep on this. In two weeks time, I'll 939 be off to the land of the koalas. Goodbye to the land of the Gerbils. 940 ////////bob the cat/// soon bob, the koala////// ahhh free at last. 061=Usr:604 Chemo Sabe 10/04/91 17:25 Msg:6633 Call:37653 Lines:59 941 ???????????????????????? Hook, Line **AND** Sinker ??????????????????????? 942 943 Hagbard: Talking about ROADS ... wasn't it Bloomanhour's Boys who devel- 944 oped the new provisions for 18'-wide roads? What a gargantuan BREAK for 945 developers (those guys with beaucoup bucks). But to then tout it as an 946 ENVIRONMENTAL measure, I thought, was CRIMINAL. Depending on the size of 947 property developed, saving 30+ feet per road not only amounts, in my ir- 948 rational mind, to "enabling" developers to cram more houses in the same 949 share of property but probably ALSO causing an even WORSE runnoff problem 950 than those "horrendously" wider streets. Even if this were NOT the case 951 (and I was told it WASN'T .. PERIOD) and the "saved environment" became 952 yard instead of street, I don't imagine the usual practice of replacing 953 good topsoil with the dugout cement-like hardpan from the bottommost depths 954 of the foundation pit promotes good drainage and, at times, may even be 955 the same difference as paved streets , 956 957 Now when I called Earl's office to inquire about this new plan, I was told 958 it was meant to help those living on as yet unpaved roads who would, since 959 there would be virtually NO standards, NOW be able to go through their own 960 little improvement districts which, I thought to myself would, no doubt, 961 be run like those "Bully Thy Neighbor With the Help of Thou's City's 962 Bureaus" Associations that hve had so many infighting problems lately. 963 964 Well, how WILL this work, I asked, for te poor people living on unpaved 965 roads who have those hidden fine-print clases in their sales contracts 966 regarding having NO VOTE on street improvements ... 967 968 OR those who **MAY** have found about the hidden fine print but were told 969 they were "safe" because in order to build a decent street, "THEY"'d have 970 to **BUY** at least a 10'-20' plot of their property first ... and THAT, 971 if nothing else, would at least allow them time to get adequate legal 972 counsel (if THAT is, indeed, available in RIP City) ... 973 974 NOT TO MENTION the people that have No Clauses but also NO VOTE because 975 the "Clause" people PLUS the 1-3 Non-Clause "Citizens" who may, for some 976 reason, WANT the road would outnumber them ... those 1-3 who may be JUST 977 DOING IT for the developer who owns nearby property and who's promised 978 them a new home on Peachtree Lane in exchange ... 979 980 AND THIS just s that maybe after we JUST DO all THAT, the developer 981 might get all existing laws modified/waived to suit his "special" speci- 982 fications and "enable him t, say, put thse new city-touted INFILL high- 983 density apartment complexes or Morfort-Type Town/Rowhouses that probably'd 984 be assessed street charges based only on "frontage" measurements ... PLUS 985 maybe even generating need for a new school (like Murrayhill) which we'd 986 ALL get to pay for. 987 988 I once had occasion to attend one such neighborhood meeting regarding 989 the street improvements needed for the historic and revoltin' development 990 just south of me ... and THAT was a total joke. Not only were we informed 991 we'd been declared an Improvement District but that, according to COP 992 calculations, one poor guy residing on a corner lot was gonna get to pay 993 $22,000 for his portion of the street(s) he didn't want . 994 I don't know if any deal was ever wheeled for him, but the vote didn't go 995 trough until the developer had managed to "buy"* the needed number of other 996 properties to sway the vote, wich he then rented/gave to his friends and/or