NUMBER OF LINES: 999 001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19 1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2$************************* INSTALLED: 11 OCT 89 *************************** 3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator 4$************************************************************************** 5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately 8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general 9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the 10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all 11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the 12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data 13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out 14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering 15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to 16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up. 17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18$************************************************************************** 19$ 002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 10/12/89 00:28 Msg:4460 Call:24594 Lines:2 20 He that is too secure is not safe. -- Thomas Fuller 21 ****************************************************************** 003=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 10/12/89 02:40 Msg:4461 Call:24595 Lines:86 22 {} 23 24 Something shall happen soon. Always seems that when things are best, 25 a disturbance comes from no-where. 26 27 AD, hope you caught my message - there are 680x0's availible. 28 Last time I saw the price of a 68010, it was roughtly $20-$25. May 29 seem spendy, but it may be worth it in the long run (for only a 30 5% speed increase on the same clock? Who am I kidding?...) 31 but a 68000 will run you for $12.00, and several are availible from 32 third party venders. A word of warning! Some third-party chip 33 fabricators do not pass as 100% functional! I remember (somewhere) 34 reading about how a licenced manf. had the rights to fabricate 35 "work-alike" chips, but there was something apperently wrong with 36 the actual masks themselves, so several hundred thousand 68000 37 chips came out with "reliability" problems. Some would crash any 38 system they were installed on with bus errors, etc. - again, something 39 to do with the internal electronics and the bus handling. The 40 problem was quickly remedied, as I recall. As for a source, try: 41 JDR Microdevices, 110 Knowles Drive, Los Gatos, CA 95030 42 Phone: (408) 866-6200 43 Retail Store: 1256 South Bascom Ave., San Jose CA (408) 947-8881 44 Hours: M-F 9-7 Sat 9-5 Sun 12-4 45 Quote for Nov '88 _$9.95_ (sorry about the age of the quote, best 46 I can do. But they have carried the line 47 off and on for a few years. Used to have 48 a special on 12Mhz 68020's @ around $130) 49 50 ... also ... 51 52 Advanced Computer Products, Inc. 53 Mail Order: PO Box 17329 Irvine CA 92713 Phone: 1-800-FONE-ACP 54 Again, Quote for Nov '88 _$12.95_ 55 56 Hope that helps. Both also cater to memory chips, Itty Bitty Machine 57 chips (808x family), and much more. Grab an issue of Byte and 58 turn way to the back (if you can call these _slabs of paper_ magazine 59 issues), and hunt before and after the yellow classifieds. 60 61 * * * 62 63 He was tired. The "day" had seemed long, but it bothered him 64 little. Sleep was the gremlin in is mind, not boredom - so he 65 considered bedding down. He also knew that in a few minutes, his 66 mind would suddenly awake, to find a body exhausted and in slight pain. 67 His concentration was lapsing - which ment that he was now floating - 68 causing him to ooze here and there, especially at his digits. Regaining 69 composture, he sits into the lotus, and focuses on his "body". The 70 "digits" reformed, but he was still lacking toenails. (I'm too tired, 71 and I'm not content with my State of Being. I shall have to 72 return to a physical form soon, and reliquish my "body" of energy). 73 Still sitting in the lotus, he beings his breathing, then preperations, 74 and finally, locks his existence into being with a mantra. Sleep 75 ocassionally scared him with the prospect of disolving into electrons 76 or other such nonsense, but with the concentration (on the mantra) 77 and the relaxation of this "body" into a sphere, he was able to 78 sle, in a crude way. A sometimes painful way. But it worked. 79 80 * * * 81 82 Unlike most, Hagbard had to leave before he could complete his 83 tutorage at the monestary. It was an amazing and cheerful place - 84 Bhuddists, Yogis, Fakkirs, and the like, walking, thinking, and 85 rarely talking. Because of this, he is unable to complete higher 86 brain functions. When he returned, the monestary was razed to the ground 87 by a mob of soldiers. He fled Tibet, and seeked asylum in the 88 United States. Sometimes, uncommonly, he would privately mourn the 89 loss of his instructors and friends, but he could only stand at a 90 distance and contemplate, and soon enough, he would abandon the 91 thoughts to concentration on another obstacle. Namely, the 92 continuation of his instruction by the few in the U.S., but none 93 had the remaining training and he had already surpased all in this 94 respect. So, he remained, the last person to hold the understanding 95 of being, yet unable to affect it. 96 Such knowledge occationally burdoned him, yet he could handle this 97 by applying meta-programming, the ability to re-condition behavior at 98 will. It was the 6th highest, with 8 levels of knowledge already learned. Lit 99 (oops) little did he know that it was the last level, number 8. 100 101 A Tired Writer Says Goodnight, and 102 103 > > > At the top again!!!!! < < < ;-<) 104 105 H. Celine (Robert Shea, if you read this, forgive my trespass) 106 107 {} 004=Usr:4 Milchar 10/12/89 23:21 Msg:4462 Call:24624 Lines:13 108 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 109 I too missed the PCS Social. Unfortunately, moving woes and seemingly 110 impossible (yet tiny) problems at work (Test Director II-- just when 111 you thought it was safe to design tests) piled up on me the first week 112 of this month. I'll make it to the next one, however, or know the 113 reason why. 114 As for writing, I find that I am suffering from some sort of block, an 115 inability to sit down and let the mind roam free in search of ideas. 116 I haven't written anything in months; I feel I should- but somehow, 117 the words do not flow as they once did. It seems odd that I can know 118 of an inability but not know how to circumvent it. Perhaps a vacation? 119 I will have to devote much more thought toward producing an answer. 120 +++++++++++ Milchar, this evening of October 12th, 1989 A.D. ++++++++ 005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/13/89 09:05 Msg:4463 Call:24628 Lines:9 121 &*&*&*&*'s 122 Hagbard, thanks for the info. The need is not pressing right now, since 123 I lost the use of my internal floppy. A very frustrating experiance. The 124 upper head has a crack the size of the grand canyon in it. 125 Hmm, actually it is closer to a crevice then a crack. 126 127 An Astral Dreamer 128 &*&*&*&*'s 129 006=Usr:398 DELTA FIVE 10/14/89 03:41 Msg:4464 Call:24659 Lines:3 130 131 132 [*=*] DELTA FIVE IN LURK MODE AND UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF VILE ORANGE LIQUID 007=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 10/14/89 10:57 Msg:4465 Call:24662 Lines:7 133 %*)(@#_$%*$#)_^)_(^_)#($_)@^_) *^)_#($)_!_)#)%_$#%^()_$#^(#_^)_#^$_)^*$_)@(^@^_ 134 Good heavens! VOL mentioned yet again. Will this villainous stuff ever go away? 135 136 DV: Did you receive my last communique? If not, perhaps the NET's net might 137 need a kick in the pants. 138 *$#_@%*)_#%)_#(%)_@$%()_#$@(% L'homme sans Parity *%@#()*%)_@($)_@!($!)_@($)_$( 139 008=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 10/15/89 11:48 Msg:4466 Call:24691 Lines:1 140 Is that NET Wits or nitwits? 009=Usr:4 Milchar 10/15/89 15:00 Msg:4467 Call:24693 Lines:2 141 142 WHO CARES? :-) 010=Usr:427 alyx * 10/15/89 19:49 Msg:4468 Call:24697 Lines:24 143 re: all this reminiscing... 144 145 as someone who doesn't have alot of time to spend bbs'ing, i've popped in 146 and out of bw and blue parrot. i always seem to drop by in the middle of 147 these 'remember when we..' and 'whatever happen to...' discussions. they're 148 rather intimidating in the sense that it seems to be assumed that the 149 new people could never hope to live up to those great times. 150 151 one thing that i have learned: each day is unique. and no matter how good 152 yesterday was, i am *here* today and it is up to me (and no one else) to 153 make *today* a good day. 154 155 sure, it's nice to remember the good times and to learn from the not so 156 good times but some people never seem to leave this mode and i have to 157 wonder, what are they doing to make today memorable. 158 159 each day is an exciting new possibility - what are doing to make your 160 dreams come true? 161 162 -all i ask for in this life 163 is to follow my dreams (i'm sure somebody said this or some- 164 thing close to it) 165 166 +++++++++++ alyx * ++++++++++ 15 october +++++++++ ~8pm +++++++++++++++ 011=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/16/89 23:00 Msg:4469 Call:24728 Lines:12 167 &*&*&*&*'s 168 Looks like the old timer blues have snuck up and bit again. Don't let the 169 fact that you didn't log in to this board untill well after the fall 170 intimidate you. As has been said, everyday is a new begining, and no 171 matter how great a time people on this board had in the past, there is still 172 today. And nothing precludes us from making our own golden age. 173 174 An Astral Dreamer (Hoping the old timers help us in our quest for a second 175 golden age. So few people get to experience even one.) 176 177 &*&*&*&*'s 178 012=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 10/16/89 23:29 Msg:4470 Call:24729 Lines:30 179 696969696969 180 ATLANTIS COUNTDOWN BEGINS:-10/16/89 181 Monday begins the countdown for Tuesday's lift off of the shuttle Atlantis 182 and the Galileo probe to Jupiter. Blastoff of Atlantis is scheduled at Kennedy 183 Space Center at 12:57 p.m. EDT. Activists, unhappy with last week's ruling 184 that NASA could send the shuttle and its plutonium-powered cargo into space, 185 say they'll sit on the launch pad to prevent the takeoff. 186 SATELLITE HEADED FOR EARTH:-10/16/89 187 NASA says a 3-ton Solar Maximum satellite is about to fall out of Earth's 188 orbit. It will spread chunks of debris weighing 200 to 400 pounds into areas 189 under its re-entry flight path, reports Aviation Week and Space Technology. 190 This action is fueling more opposition to the launch of the nuclear-powered 191 Galileo spacecraft expected Monday. 192 193 194 HOMELESS NOT STUDIED PROPERLY:-10/16/89 195 The health problems of the homeless haven't been accurately studied, 196 reports Friday's Journal of the American Medical Association. Reason: Past 197 research focused only on residents of shelters, not those living in social 198 service centers or outdoors. A recent study said those in these places had 199 more evidence of physical illness. 200 201 GROUP RELEASES LIST:-10/16/89 202 The National Abortion Rights Action League released a list of officials, 203 who are against abortion, who it wants defeated. Included are: Sen. Jesse 204 Helms, R-N.C.; Rep. Craig James, R-Fla.; Rep. Denny Smith, R-Ore.; Rep. Tom 205 Tauke, R-Iowa; Florida Gov. Bob Martinez; Iowa Attorney General Tom Miller; 206 California state Rep. Curt Pringle and Pennsylvania state Rep. Stephen Friend. 207 208 696969696969696969 013=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 10/17/89 17:51 Msg:4471 Call:24746 Lines:2 209 Oh Boy! I hope it's another cartoon! 210 Oh, no, another crummy Newsreel! I *hate* the news! 014=Usr:25 Hi me 10/17/89 21:09 Msg:4472 Call:24747 Lines:1 211 7.0 on the Scale Quake. 015=Usr:3 Ramek 10/17/89 23:12 Msg:4473 Call:24754 Lines:26 212 California Fault-y Rich-ter Scale 213 214 3.0 - Motion comparable to upset stomach after bad burrito. 215 Freeways impassable. 216 217 4.0 - Slight fizz noticable in refrigerated mineral water. 218 Freeways impassable. 219 220 5.0 - Wine racks upset. 221 Freeways impassable. 222 223 6.0 - Difficult to jog. Whitecaps in hot tubs. 224 Freeways impassable. 225 226 7.0 - U-storage facilities collapse. Tsunamis in waterbeds. 227 Freeways impassable. 228 229 8.0 - RVs overturned. Suction-cup Garfields jarred off car windows. 230 Freeways impassable. 231 232 9.0 - Malls evacuated. Hackers notice movement. 233 Freeways beginning to clear. 234 235 10.0 - Jack-in-the-Box restaurants close. 236 Freeways clear. 237 016=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 10/18/89 22:10 Msg:4474 Call:24773 Lines:55 238 696969696969 239 10/18/89 By The Associated Press 240 Here is a summary of developments in the earthquake that rocked Northern 241 California Tuesday: 242 ------ 243 THE QUAKE 244 The earthquake hit at 5:04 p.m. PDT, registering 6.9 on Richter scale, and 245 was centered on the San Andreas Fault about eight miles northeast of Santa Cruz 246 and 75 miles south of San Francisco. 247 ------ 248 CASUALTIES 249 At least 272 people died, and 650 were injured. Of the dead, 253 were killed 250 when the upper level of two-tiered Interstate 880 in Oakland collapsed onto the 251 lower level. 252 ------ 253 DAMAGE 254 The quake collapsed buildings, broke windows, and caused other damage across 255 nearly 100 miles. 256 Severed gas lines started fires. One spectacular fire in San Francisco burne 257 a block of buildings and another damaged downtown Berkeley. 258 Power, telephone, water and other services were disrupted for at least 1 259 million people. 260 The San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge and two bridges near Santa Cruz 261 collapsed. The San Mateo and Dumbarton bridges were closed for inspection. 262 Highways were damaged and mountain passes outside Santa Cruz were closed due 263 to landslides and fissures in the roads. 264 Lt. Gov. Leo McCarthy said damages would total "the better part of $1 265 billion." 266 ------ 267 LOOTING 268 Some looting was reported in San Francisco and in Los Gatos, a town between 269 San Jose and Santa Cruz, but no arrests were made. 270 ------ 271 FEDERAL GOVERNMENT 272 President Bush signed a disaster relief declaration for seven counties in th 273 Bay area and dispatched Transportation Secretary Samuel Skinner to join Vice 274 President Quayle in California to assess damage. 275 Military officials mobilized National Guard units to aid the rescue. 276 The Federal Emergency Management Agency set up a disaster field office in Th 277 Presidio, an Army post in San Francisco. 278 Defense Secretary Dick Cheney ordered the armed forces to set up an emergenc 279 group to help coordinate aid efforts. 280 ------ 281 WORLD REACTION 282 The Soviet Union made an unprecedented offer of relief aid and President 283 Mikhail S. Gorbachev sent condolences in a telegram to President Bush. 284 Offers of aid came from the Philippines, Japan, France, Britain, Switzerland 285 and several other nations. 286 Pope John Paul II was "deeply saddened" and praying for the victims. 287 ------ 288 WORLD SERIES 289 Baseball fans awaiting the start of Game Three of the World Series evacuated 290 Candlestick Park, which sustained structural damage. No major injuries were 291 reported and there was no word on when the game would be played. 292 696969696969696969 017=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 10/19/89 00:51 Msg:4475 Call:24782 Lines:78 293 696969696969 294 10/17/89 By SALLY CARPENTER HALE Associated Press Writer 295 PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- Opponents of U.S. military aid to Central America 296 demonstrated outside a hotel where Vice President Dan Quayle was speaking, and 297 21 people were arrested. 298 Several of those arrested were later injured in a traffic accident as they 299 were being taken to jail. Protester Robin Terry said the worst injury was a 300 broken leg and that all of the protesters had been released from a hospital by 301 today. 302 "There were about 200 protesters out there. I would say out of respect for 303 the office of vice president there should have been 500," Quayle quipped during 304 his appearance at a Republican fund-raiser at a downtown hotel. 305 Quayle's press secretary, David Beckwith, said it was the largest 306 demonstration against Quayle since he's been vice president and the only 307 demonstration that disrupted his schedule. Quayle left the hotel a half hour 308 late. 309 The protest began as a "die-in," with 11 demonstrators wearing red-stained 310 clothes lying on the sidewalk in front of the hotel. 311 When police asked them to move, the protesters tried to push their way 312 through the doors, chanting: "Bush, Quayle, we know you; Hitler was elected, 313 too." 314 Police used nightsticks to quell the demonstration. "It was hats and bats an 315 shoving and pushing," said a police officer who didn't give his name. 316 Earlier, Quayle dropped in at an FBI news conference to praise investigators 317 efforts in breaking up a drug ring. 318 "What you've been able to accomplish is part of the strategy of President 319 Bush in his war against drugs," he told law enforcement officers from several 320 agencies. "We're not going to give up until that war is won." 321 The news conference was called to announce the seizure of $150 million worth 322 of tar heroin and cocaine on the West Coast. 323 Isn't it interesting how the drug problem continues, but when the Republican 324 Boy is in town, they can manage to bust a major drug ring? Coincidence? Or 325 Political timing? Lee Atwater was unavailable for comment. 326 327 10/12/89: NASA CONFIRMS '89 OZONE HOLE MATCHES '87 RECORD 328 RELEASE: 89-160 (Update from release 89-152). 329 330 Continuing observations by the Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer (TOMS) 331 have confirmed that the ozone hole over the Antarctic this year has equalled 332 the record-setting hole observed in 1987, NASA scientists said. 333 334 Dr. Arlin Krueger, Dr. Richard Stolarski and Dr. Mark Schoeberl, 335 scientists at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., have been 336 closely monitoring ozone levels over the Southern Hemisphere with the TOMS, an 337 instrument on board NASA's NIMBUS-7 satellite. 338 339 340 Previous measurements had indicated this year's hole might 341 342 be as severe as the 1987 hole, and a record low ozone level was 343 344 reached on Oct. 5. Krueger, the TOMS prinicipal investigator, 345 346 said, "It's becoming clear that the ozone hole is not going away 347 348 in the near future, although the depth will vary from year to 349 350 year." The depth of the ozone hole each year will be determined 351 352 by meteorological conditions, such as temperature and winds. 353 354 RADAR THREATENS B-2 STEALTH:-10/13/89 355 Australian scientists say they've developed a radar system using long-wave 356 beams that can detect the radar-evading B-2 Stealth bombing. The Jindalee 357 radar system includes technology that could allow long- and short-range 358 detection and tracking of the Stealth, they say. Key: Jindalee capitalizes on 359 Stealth's air turbulence. 360 Australian scientists say they've developed a radar system using long-wave 361 beams that can detect the radar-evading B-2 Stealth bomber. The Jindalee radar 362 system includes technology that could allow long- and short-range detection 363 and tracking of the Stealth, they say. The U.S.'s $70 billion bomber program's 364 claim to be invincible could be threatened. 365 $600,000,000.00+ PER plane...for what??? 366 367 696969696969696969 368 369 "Bush, Quayle, we know you, Reagan was elected too!" 370 018=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 10/20/89 11:44 Msg:4476 Call:24811 Lines:53 371 696969696969 372 10/19/89 By STEVE WILSTEIN Associated Press Writer 373 SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Mayor Art Agnos said he was "ticked off" that Vice 374 President Dan Quayle had time for television cameras but not for him during a 375 tour of earthquake-damaged areas of the city. 376 Quayle, who promised federal relief for earthquake victims after visiting th 377 Bay area Wednesday, today dismissed the liberal Democratic mayor's criticism. 378 "I would hope that the mayor would resist any kind of political rhetoric at 379 this time and concentrate all the energies and all of our dedication to helping 380 the victims and helping the families of the victims, and let's get the situatio 381 stabilized first," Quayle said on CBS's "This Morning." 382 And on NBC's "Today" show, he said that he thought it was "very unfortunate 383 to take that kind of a shot at a very difficult time. ... I was there to help 384 people." 385 Agnos said Wednesday he was "ticked off" that Quayle "flies around in a 386 helicopter, makes a bunch of television spots" but didn't meet with him. The 387 mayor had said before Quayle's visit that he planned to meet with Quayle to urg 388 immediate federal help. 389 "I understand he was in the Marina and in the shelters and then left. If he 390 did so without visiting the mayor, I have real questions about what he was doin 391 here. It may have been just a publicity stunt," Agnos said. 392 President Bush said today he would go to the Bay area on Friday and 393 presidential press secretary Marlin Fitzwater said Agnos would be invited to a 394 session between Bush and local officials. 395 Fitzwater denied that the Republican vice president had snubbed Agnos. 396 Agnos was invited to two meetings with Quayle "and he declined to attend bot 397 meetings," Fitzwater said. 398 Furthermore, "we offered to send a helicopter to pick him up wherever he was 399 and deliver him to the meetings and he declined that." 400 White House chief of staff John Sununu has "been trying to reach him on the 401 phone for several days and he has declined to talk to us," Fitzwater said. "We 402 regret very much that the mayor of San Francisco has decided not to cooperate 403 with us in this matter." 404 Quayle met with officials in Alameda County across San Francisco Bay to 405 assess the need for federal assistance. 406 On his tour, Quayle appeared stunned by the magnitude of damage and loss of 407 life inflicted by the temblor. Quayle and his wife, Marilyn, spent six hours 408 touring the area by helicopter and on foot after President Bush authorized 409 federal disaster assistance. 410 Upon his return to Washington late Wednesday, Quayle said that federal aid 411 would be forthcoming. 412 Quayle, accompanied by Transportation Secretary Samuel Skinner and Sen. Pete 413 Wilson, R-Calif., met with mayors of more than half a dozen cities around the 414 bay and emergency officials at the Alameda Naval Air Station. 415 "My impression was one of great sadness for the number of people that lost 416 their lives and the families that are impacted," Quayle said after seeing 417 crushed cars on collapsed portions of the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge and 418 Interstate 880 in Oakland. 419 "You can't help but be impressed by the magnitude of the earthquake," he 420 said. "To see 880 flattened like a pancake, it's really a sobering sight." 421 422 696969696969696969 423 019=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/20/89 20:20 Msg:4477 Call:24839 Lines:20 424 &*&*&*&*'s 425 Just ducking in between the news postings. Looks like a down cycle right 426 now. 427 428 Interesting bit of trivia : Don't buy those bench marks that say the 429 '386sx is only about 90% as fast as an equivalent '286. If you put the 430 '386sx in virtual 8086 mode it is faster then an equivalent '386 in that 431 mode, and nearly as fast as a '386 running in '386 mode. Needless to say 432 it blows away an equivalent '286. 433 434 Note that chip revisions can lead to slight improvments in performance. 435 Thats probable why the '386sx is slightly faster then a '386 in non 436 32 bit tests. Newer 386's are probable as fast at the same clock rate 437 as the '386sx. 438 439 ch probable probably. 440 441 An Astral Dreamer 442 &*&*&*&*'s 443 020=Usr:333 Bartender Slug 10/20/89 23:28 Msg:4478 Call:24845 Lines:4 444 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 445 Slug lurked here 446 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 447 021=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 10/21/89 15:59 Msg:4479 Call:24858 Lines:14 448 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 449 AD: Thanks for breaking up the news stories. I must ask - what motivates a 450 person to continually post 50+ line messages STOLEN directly from the wire 451 services on a BBS where users have several times expressed in kind and not 452 so kind terms that THEY DON'T WANT THEM! Original political commentary is 453 always welcome, but copied stuff from other sources is highly frowned upon. 454 455 This news person has just ignored the pleas to cease and desist. Why? Even 456 they can come up with something better to write than someone else's writing. 457 This person must be doing the posts in spite, which is unforgivable. 458 459 At least THE SKULL was original! 460 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 461 022=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 10/22/89 13:15 Msg:4480 Call:24875 Lines:4 462 The skull may be original, but...... 463 464 ZZTOP RULES! 465 023=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/22/89 14:57 Msg:4481 Call:24876 Lines:8 466 &*&*&*&*'s 467 Isn't the above ZZTOP RULES! a little small? I've heard the origional was 468 quite large. Maybe it's size is related to the rumored shrinking of 469 the universe... 470 471 An Astral Dreamer 472 &*&*&*&*'s 473 024=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 10/22/89 16:44 Msg:4482 Call:24877 Lines:73 474 696969696969 475 Technological failures Source: USA TODAY/Gannett National Information Network 476 The computerization age changed the way business was done: hand ledgers are 477 outdated and customers' names are recalled using a computer screen instead of 478 one's memory. The computer industry has been rocked in the last several weeks 479 by natural disasters. 480 HAS TECHNOLOGY BEEN DOUBTED? 481 The earthquake in Northern California, Hurricane Hugo and the threat of a 482 "Friday the 13th" computer virus showed the vulnerability of technology. Tari 483 Schneider, president of Contingency Planning Research Inc., a firm that sets 484 up backup computer sites for disaster victims, said the events shook the 485 computer industry. 486 WHY ARE COMPUTERS SO FRAGILE? 487 Computers and phones function by electrical wires that are susceptible to 488 nature. Wires above the ground are often the first to go in disasters. 489 HOW ABOUT WATER AS POWER? 490 The majority of the nation's 16,000 mainframe computers that run big banks 491 and brokerages are liquid-cooled, which means cold water is necessary to 492 operate them. If pipelines or underground tanks rupture, they can be knocked 493 out of service indefinitely. 494 WHAT EFFECT HAS NATURE HAD? 495 Nature's impact can range from minor to devastating. U.S. companies have 496 always been at the mercy of the natural elements: fire, water (floods), earth 497 (quakes) and air (hurricanes). Now that computers and phone networks are 498 essential to businesses, firms are at the mercy of a fifth: technology 499 outages. 500 DO FIRMS HAVE BACKUP PLANS? 501 Many firms in the nation set up backup computing centers called "hot sites." 502 These sometimes entombed sites contain computers that can take over data- 503 processing chores when disaster strikes. 504 ANY WORKING IN SAN FRANCISCO? 505 Yes, many took effect Wednesday when firms shifted their business centers. 506 One San Francisco bank is now running its data processing operations on 507 computers in Toronto. 508 HOW ABOUT SECURITY MEASURES? 509 Many of the sites that house main-frame computers are well-protected. In 510 Tulsa, American Airlines constructed a $34 million underground facility to 511 house its mainframes. The facility has a 42-inch-thick ceiling and 12-inch 512 thick concrete walls. Admittance is only granted after passing a "retina scan" 513 - a James Bond-like device that identifies you by scanning the blood vessels 514 in your eyes. 515 WHAT IS THE WORST OUTAGE? 516 When the telephone lines go, then a firm usually is in trouble because 517 computers can always run on a backup. 518 WHAT IS COST OF PHONE LOSS? 519 If the phones go down at a major airline or investment house, the losses can 520 be as great as $6 million an hour, says Donna Lee, director of network 521 operations at AT&T. 522 WHAT IS VULNERABLE? 523 All service operations - banks, insurance firms, newspapers -are vulnerable 524 to a telecommunications breakdown. Manufacturing firms also rely on phones to 525 order supplies for assembly. 526 WHAT IS THE EFFECT OF LINKING? 527 A local disaster can have rippleeffects nationwide because of the 528 interconnecting technologies. On May 8, 1988, fire struck a Hinsdale, Ill., 529 telephone switching station. Suddenly, air-traffic controllers at O'Hare 530 Airport couldn't communicate with controllers in other cities. Flights were 531 delayed throughout the country. Unable to call in or out, Chicago-area 532 businesses lost an estimated $500 million in sales. 533 WHAT PROTECTION IS TAKEN? 534 AT&T routes its calls through 100 heavily protected switching stations, 535 housed in 200-foot square buildings. Just three stations serve the entire San 536 Francisco Bay area. Among other AT&T's defenses: double backups for every 537 switching center and computer systems that route long-distance calls through 538 any of 21 different pathways. 539 540 As Lee Atwater, chairman of the National Republican Committee said: "It is m 541 truly a shame that those who complain the loudest and most frequently about 542 other people's postings on Backwater, never post anything themselves, but 543 their complaints." 544 545 696969696969696969 546 025=Usr:333 Bartender Slug 10/22/89 21:58 Msg:4483 Call:24882 Lines:4 547 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 548 Lee Atwater said something about Backwater? I didn't know he knew about us. 549 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Slug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 550 026=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/23/89 19:02 Msg:4484 Call:24902 Lines:29 551 &*&*&*&*'s 552 More on the '386sx. I'm not sure that the virtual 8086 mode explains 553 the speed of the '386sx. 554 555 At work I recently got a tandy 4000sx. Out of the box it ran at about 556 15.2 MHZ relative to a '286. Sort of slow, but much faster then the 557 vanila 6MHZ True IBM AT I had been using. About a week after getting 558 it I ran setupsx, which is the sx specific version of the standard dos 559 setup. (Atleast for tandy 4000sx's) At about the same time I also 560 got the upgrade to the turbo debuger and turbo Pascal. Once they where 561 installed I set my computer up to use the debuger. (I have multiple 562 enviorments, as some of the software I use conflicts with other 563 software.) This meant that I loaded the boreland virtual 8086 driver. 564 At about that time I ran some benchmarks. Suddenly I was getting a 565 17.6 on the norton SI index, and around 43 MHZ relative to an 8088. 566 Of course I attributed it to the virtual 8086 mode. 567 568 This morning I went in to work, booted up my computer and noticed that 569 it had slowed back down to the more ussual 15.2 or so MHZ relative to 570 a '286. So on a hunch I ran setupsx again. Bingo, it was in turbo mode 571 upon reboot. 572 573 Now I can't argue with the performance increase, but I really do wonder 574 where it's coming from. It's as real as about 6 different bench marks 575 can prove. So, Any ideas? 576 577 An Astral Dreamer 578 &*&*&*&*'s 579 027=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 10/23/89 21:35 Msg:4485 Call:24907 Lines:24 580 696969696969 581 CONTRA REBELS KILL 18:-10/23/89 582 Contra rebels killed 18 and wounded eight when they ambushed trucks that 583 were transporting soldiers. Nicaragua said the attack was part of a campaign 584 aimed at disrupting the electoral process. The last day for 1.3 million to 585 register to vote in February elections was Sunday. 586 (Contras were supposedly "on Hold" until at least after the elections. 587 Could it be that the "covert" operations of the Reagan/Bush agenda continue?) 588 589 TOPIC - PRESIDENT BUSH'S VETO ON ABORTION: 590 Barbara Boxer, Democratic congresswoman from California, and Dennis L. 591 Cuddy, free-lance writer, discuss their views. 592 CUDDY: "President Bush is right to veto federal funding of abortions in 593 case of rape or incest. ... Bush must veto abortion funding because not to do 594 so would mean government would be imposing a `pro-choice' morality upon the 595 many taxpayers who don't want their money used for this killing." (What about 596 those taxpayers that object to the B-2 bomber or the Contras being supported 597 with their tax money? Isn't a "killing morality" being forced on them?) 598 BOXER: "President Bush's veto is the height of hypocrisy. ... The president 599 has endorsed a double standard based on wealth, connections and power. ... It 600 is bad policy, bad politics and bad news." 601 602 696969696969696969 603 028=Usr:47 John Dilks 10/23/89 23:06 Msg:4486 Call:24912 Lines:16 604 You call entering 100+ lines of regurgitated news every day a "posting???" 605 Bah! It is a waste of valuable space. Have you considered that maybe the 606 reason the regulars have stoped posting is because they are sick and tired 607 of wading through 100's of lines of news garbage every day? Trying to find 608 a story in the middle of that mess and holding a visualization of what is 609 happening is hardly a simple task. I suspect that the others like me have 610 given up. What's the point in trying to enter something when it gets lost 611 in the middle of back to back news garbage. Do you realize that most of 612 this disk is nothing but your regurgitated news? Of course no one is posting 613 who could find anything in that mess? 614 Personally I wish that Mikey would remove the news junk. I consider it a 615 waste of space and a degradation of BW. I suspect that others feel the 616 same way since they seem to have given up on BW. It reminds me of the 617 twits on the CB bands that turn their radio on to a radio station all 618 day long. Yet anpther form of vandlism. Hey! Let's ruin it for everyone! 619 --------------------------john ----------------------------------------- 029=Usr:333 Bartender Slug 10/23/89 23:32 Msg:4487 Call:24913 Lines:5 620 621 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 622 I agree with John. That is why I left for like 3 months. Too much garbage. 623 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Slug >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 624 030=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 10/24/89 02:01 Msg:4488 Call:24915 Lines:31 625 {} 626 627 To the creature that posts repeat news found on CNN: 628 629 In an effort of good faith and utter hopelessness, I ask kindly that 630 you limit yourself to 3 "small" news postings (10-20 lines per post), or 631 2 "medium" postings (20-30 lines), or 1 "large" posting (less than 60 632 lines) per disk. I myself find the newservice sometimes annoying, but 633 I ask that you observe your behavior, and learn a new word: 634 "moderation". In moderation, along with occassional (sp) tact, you will 635 find a greater acceptance of your work(?) in a place where most work 636 is inspirational, ad hoc, sharing, witty, and caring, and otherwise 637 enjoyable to the avid reader. There is nothing wrong with the 638 news, nor is there a problem with posing questions with the day's 639 events. But if BackWater is interested enough, it would have its 640 OWN live newsfeed to share with its users. (pardon grammar) 641 642 If you wish to catch the fancy of the passer-by, try posting a 643 question(able) line after each news posting, or a witty response. I 644 think you will probably find many people paying much more attention to 645 you than you would expect. Now before my nose clogs from hanging 646 so high in the air, I'll sneeze this to you with politeness: 647 648 GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER. This is a shared board. Try sharing YOU, 649 NOT someone else. 650 651 Thank you kindly for your attention. 652 653 A Confused, Tired Hagbard 654 655 {} 031=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 10/24/89 02:25 Msg:4489 Call:24916 Lines:100 656 696969696969 657 10/22/89 By MITCHELL LANDSBERG Associated Press Writer 658 In a simpler time, not so long ago, environmentalists talked about saving 659 forests for hiking, streams for rafting and clean air for the pure enjoyment of 660 breathing it. 661 Now, as the 1990s approach, the talk has turned to the science of survival - 662 saving forests for oxygen, keeping streams from spreading toxic pollutants, 663 cleaning the air to avoid catastrophic global warming. 664 From the hazy vantage point of 1989, the environment looms as the major 665 global issue of the next decade. The threat of an environmental cataclysm is 666 replacing nuclear holocaust as the scariest menace to civilization. 667 The World Bank, long dismissed by environmentalists as ecologically 668 insensitive, now calls the environment its leading priority for the 1990s. 669 President Bush called the '90s "the era for clean air." 670 And the Worldwatch Institute, an environmental research organization, calls 671 the 1990s "the turnaround decade" in which people will either stop polluting or 672 face an environmental disaster as devastating as nuclear war. 673 "By many measures, time is running out," Worldwatch warned in its "State of 674 the World 1989" report. 675 Not everyone shares Worldwatch's apocalyptic vision, which is based largely 676 on the threat of global warming -- the "greenhouse effect." Many respected 677 scientists say the available evidence doesn't warrant the doomsday warnings. 678 But few doubt that environmental issues will be paramount in the coming 679 years. If nothing else, the '90s are likely to be a decade of unprecedented 680 research into environmental problems as scientists try to solve 19th- and 20th- 681 century problems before people start mucking up the 21st. 682 The environmental agenda in the '90s will include: 683 --Clean air. Perhaps no environmental issue will be as sharply felt. In Los 684 Angeles, authorities will try to change a way of life by starting to wean 685 commuters off gasoline-powered automobiles in the 1990s. The rest of the nation 686 undoubtedly will follow that lead. Already, a congressional committee has voted 687 to adopt California's tough new standards for anti-pollution equipment on cars. 688 --Ozone depletion. In cities, ozone is a toxic pollutant spewed out by cars, 689 but high in the atmosphere it's a vital gas shielding the Earth from dangerous 690 ultraviolet rays. That shield is being destroyed by yet another human pollutant 691 -- chlorofluorocarbons -- and the consequences are expected to include increase 692 rates of skin cancer and cataracts. 693 --Extinction of species. Largely because of the burning of tropical rain 694 forests, entire species of animals, plants and insects are becoming extinct at 695 the fastest rate in human history. 696 All these concerns will be secondary, however, to the one overriding issue 697 that touches them all -- global warming. 698 The greenhouse theory has been around for two centuries, but suddenly became 699 the stuff of newspaper headlines during the hot, dry summer of 1988 in the 700 United States. 701 The idea is that certain gases in the atmosphere act like the glass on a 702 greenhouse. They let sunlight in, but won't let its heat out. The biggest 703 villain is carbon dioxide, which is released when trees are destroyed and when 704 fossil fuels such as oil or coal are burned. 705 Scientists almost universally agree that the gases will cause the Earth to 706 get warmer. "The greenhouse effect is not a hypothesis or anything; it's one of 707 the best-established facts about the way the world works," said Gus Steth, 708 president of the World Resources Institute. 709 That's where the agreement ends; the fights begin when experts try to guess 710 when the warming will occur and how bad it will be. 711 Some, such as Stephen Schneider, deputy director of the National Center for 712 Atmospheric Research, argue that the greenhouse effect has already begun and 713 will have devastating effects in the next century unless radical action is 714 taken. 715 Without such action, Schneider envisions a starkly different world by the 716 middle of the next century, one in which the average global temperature will 717 have risen by as much as 9 degrees Fahrenheit. 718 Oceans would rise, deserts would spread, forests would die. People would 719 starve. 720 "Such a change," Schneider wrote recently in Scientific American magazine, 721 "would be unprecedented in human history; it would match the (9-degree) warming 722 since the peak of the last ice age 18,000 years ago but would take effect 723 between 10 and 100 times faster." 724 It's too late to stop the warming altogether, Schneider argues, but the wors 725 of it could be averted if people cut back drastically in their use of fossil 726 fuels and stopped destroying rain forests. 727 Other scientists believe such warnings are premature. 728 Richard Lindzen, a meteorology professor at the Massachusetts Institute of 729 Technology, argues that climate scientists are operating in a vacuum, not a 730 greenhouse. He said they lack the facts to back up claims about global warming. 731 "You know very well we can't predict the weather with any certainty," Lindze 732 said with a chuckle. 733 His forecast for the '90s: continued scientific fogginess with a chance of 734 clearing by the end of the decade. 735 Schneider's forecast is considerably more ominous. 736 "Six of the warmest years in the last 100 occurred in the '80s," he said 737 recently at a meeting of chemists in Miami. "And I'll give you odds that the 738 '90s will be warmer than the '80s." 739 That sort of prognosticating doesn't impress the greenhouse skeptics. 740 "Nobody in their right mind would make a forecast like that," said Andrew 741 Solow, a climate statistician at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in 742 Massachusetts. "There's just no way you can make that claim." 743 Solow said he has pored over the statistics and cannot find any basis for 744 claims that the greenhouse effect has begun. The warmer temperatures in the 745 1980s, he believes, are probably part of a natural upswing; the greenhouse 746 effect could be centuries off. 747 What if the heat continues, if temperature records continue to topple throug 748 the 1990s, if Schneider's forecast comes true? Would he become a believer then? 749 "I'd be pretty convinced," Solow said. 750 751 As Lee Atwater may have once said: "It is interesting that those who 752 protest the loudest, longest, and most frequently are those who apparently 753 are unable to read. And they seem to have difficulty distinguishing fantasy 754 from fact. I have trouble following stories that aren't going on too." 755 696969696969696969 032=Usr:232 bob lindski 10/24/89 10:34 Msg:4490 Call:24923 Lines:6 756 ????////// 757 bty 69/ where did you get you obscene name? ////??? 758 What is the liability of the cistop for infringement of 759 AP/ CNN copyright for what obscene act was dumping on 760 this board? 761 ????///// 033=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/24/89 13:12 Msg:4491 Call:24925 Lines:8 762 &*&*&*&*'s 763 Hagbard, sorry I missed you on reed. I've been having computer problems. 764 Will we ever see you return here on a regular basis? 765 766 An Astral Dreamer 767 &*&*&*&*'s 768 769 034=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 10/24/89 16:01 Msg:4492 Call:24930 Lines:14 770 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 771 Just in case the news scrolled off the last entry in the Quantier Saga before 772 you had a chance to see it, we have an update as follows. 773 774 Friar: At present, you're recuperating at the (mysterious) new inn (Inn?) that 775 seems to have sprung up somewhere beyond the limits of the Central City. 776 A severely injured Cloaked Man has, however, quickly located you from the 777 emanations of the Quantier, and should arrive at your abode within seconds, 778 thanks to his FTLP (Faster than Light Porter). The ball is in your court, 779 and if I were yyou, I'd hurry. There are some ominous rumblings to be heard 780 from the Stone Triangle, and if what 69 says is true, the Pool may have fallen 781 prey to the Greenhouse Effect! 782 783 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 035=Usr:53 prince dragon 10/24/89 20:56 Msg:4493 Call:24934 Lines:16 784 to: the thing that is posting all the news. 785 flame mode *ON* 786 LOOK I HAVE BEEN ON THE BB'S FOR 12 YEARS AND YOU JUST ABOUT TAKE THE 787 CAKE!!!!!! you have a lot of the old timers and some of the new one 788 mad,you are making ONE of my fav bb's a living h*ll, 789 if you need to post like this I WILL PAY FOR YOU TO GET ON USENET 790 then you should realy go to a grp there called alt.flame 791 I have said thing there about you. 792 there are over 500+ grp there and 100,000+ of people you can 793 p*ss off *GO AWAY* (am so mad I almost used the {t}word) 794 flame mode off 795 everone but you know who; I got it lets give it it's own 796 comp.bbs and then not call it ... 797 sorry all but I read usenet 4 hours a day and want to see other 798 things here. 799 .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.dragon@agora 036=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 10/25/89 01:41 Msg:4494 Call:24940 Lines:54 800 801 802 {+}{+}{+}{+} 803 804 OPEN LETTER 805 TO 806 JIM BAKKER 807 808 809 October 25, 1989 810 811 Dear Jim, 812 813 Gosh, that was a tough break you got at the sentencing 814 hearing yesterday. Fourty-five years is a pretty stiff 815 sentence for a man with so many nice suits - especially after 816 you insisted so strenuously that you were innocent and that 817 God had forgiven you. Come to think of it...if you WERE 818 innocent, then why would God NEED to forgive you? No matter. 819 Once the hog came out of the tunnel it was clear to everyone 820 that God Almighty and Judge "Maximum Bob" Potter have been 821 working from completely different agendas all along. 822 823 Prison life will definitely be a change of pace, Jim. 824 People in there will say things to yohthat are not polite, 825 and they may neglect to use the title "Reverend". Chit-chat 826 out in the exercise yard may go something more along the 827 lines of : "Hey! Preacher Boy! Yew gotta pretty little mouth, 828 anybody ever tole yew that? C'mon over here. Hey!" If you 829 thought bending over for strip searches in the Federal 830 Psychiatric Hospital was unsavory, wait till "Bubba" from 831 Cellblock D decides to make you his personal houseboy. "Turn 832 the other cheek" takes on a whole new meaning in the dark 833 world of federal corrections, and it's not something you'll 834 want to base a sermon on. 835 836 { Try not to fret too much, Jim. A fourty-five year sentence 837 isn't that bad - except for that unfortunate ten year 838 minimum. Bummer. You may see some cold-blooded murderers get 839 paroled before you do, but so what? Maybe by then you'll be 840 buddies and they'll make phone calls for you when they get 841 outside. You'll surely get paroled after your full "dime of 842 hard time" is served...if you mind your manners. 843 844 So cheer up, Jim, and look at the bright side - you won't 845 have to wake up next to Tammy Faye again until late 1999. 846 847 Sincerely, 848 849 ThingFish 850 851 852 {+}{+}{+}{+} 853 037=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 10/25/89 08:32 Msg:4495 Call:24942 Lines:5 854 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 855 Zephyr- 856 Thanks for the nudge. I will post later this week. 857 Friar 858 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 038=Usr:232 bob lindski 10/25/89 10:25 Msg:4496 Call:24944 Lines:8 859 .........................< 860 ThingFish: If airlines could get away with overbooking, 861 Why can't Jim Bakker do it without being 862 penalized ? Is it beacause the media or the 863 closed conglomerates that owned it are on 864 Bakker-bashing frenzy? 865 Bob the Fish 866 .........................> 039=Usr:427 alyx * 10/25/89 12:36 Msg:4497 Call:24946 Lines:12 867 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 868 869 Friar- 870 Long time to 'talk'. How's the licensing going? Mine is on hold 871 for an indeterminate amount of time. HORSES is where it's at 872 for me. 873 874 Keep in touch, you hear? 875 876 Alyx * 877 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 878 040=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 10/25/89 15:26 Msg:4498 Call:24950 Lines:3 879 ZOD LLIIVESS---LURK LURK -LURK---I'D WREITE SOMETHING BUT I DON'T GO NO IDEAS 880 RIGHT NOW CAUS I'M SO P*SSED.....LONG LIVE LORD ZOD....(this is so much better) 881 041=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 10/25/89 15:44 Msg:4499 Call:24951 Lines:29 882 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 883 Mein Gott! I have written something that won't fit in the 33 lines 884 remaining. So I will ramble instead. 885 Alyx- 886 Good to hear from you again. I am flying that same plane, with that same 887 instructor. The license is almost over. Just one prep lesson and one 888 test to go. And the baby is due Thursday. 889 Friar 890 OK newsman, you can fill up the disk. I for one don't mind the news, 891 especially the Lee Atwater quotes. I would rather have stories, but it 892 doesn't seem as though you are actually displacing anything, though. I 893 am curious just what Liability Mikey has for leaving what would apparently 894 be copyrighted material on the board. 895 I just finished reading SYSLAW, on Leonard's reccomendation. So I think 896 it is an area of concern to most sysops, or should be. I am setting up 897 a board for BPers, and wanted to get the total picture, or at least as 898 total as I could. 899 What do you folks think about a sysops rights and responsibilities? Are 900 they different from publishers? Editors? News reporters? How are they 901 similar? There is no common law body as yet to determine precedent, so 902 should sufficient totrt law be developed, or should examples of non- 903 electronic media case law be twisted to adapt? 904 Mikey- Please give your views, including the reasons for the caveats on 905 the top of the disk. 906 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 907 OK, how come I only had 33 lines left when there are almost a hundred 908 left now ?!?!?!?!? Inquiring minds want to know! 909 [][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar 910 042=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 10/25/89 18:52 Msg:4500 Call:24953 Lines:5 911 912 913 Hate to tell you, Zod, but Superman murdered all the Phantom Zone villains some 914 time ago. When you're up to date, get back to us. Oh, that's right. 915 One Line Remaining. 043=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 10/25/89 23:45 Msg:4501 Call:24960 Lines:3 916@Mikey, is there anything you can do about this news-asshole? Note 917@the poor attempt at being a twit with the ZOD stuff. Ralphie is a real 918@jerk! 044=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 10/25/89 23:56 Msg:4502 Call:24961 Lines:11 919@I know, it's starting to turn ugely. Sigh... I had hoped to avoid that. 920@The guy is not taking the hint. I asked him to use a bit of moderation, 921@but instead he has just increased his activity. I want to avoid cutting 922@him off completely bcause that will only antagonize him further and 923@just make matters worse. The news was OK as long as it was only once 924@a disk, but this is getting rediculous. I can reduce how much he can upload 925@per day. Right now it is 100 lines, I think I may reduce that to 50 lines 926@and see if he takes the hint. Probably what is really needed here is 927@a maximum number of lines allowed per disk rather than per day. Maybe I 928@could add that in on a per user basis. Something like at level zero you 929@get 100 lines per disk. 045=Usr:13 voyeur 10/26/89 01:54 Msg:4503 Call:24963 Lines:11 930@Oh Wow, hidden messages! This is even better than NetCode Level 5! 931@I've been wondering about 'god' level editing (i.e. TRuncation) of Steadman's 932@stuff, since there doesn't seem to be *anyone* in favor of his reposted news. 933@The closest to a positive review was just above - friar's neutral stance. 934@(and like friar, I feel that the Atwater Quotes are the only redeeming material 935@). Oh yes, Steve - my neighbor is running a bit behind on his writing. He 936@just started working full time again this past Monday, which cuts into his 937@creative time. He says he hopes to work on it properly this weekend, and may 938@have something ready to upload Sundayish. He won't let me see it, so I don't 939@know what he's up to. Hopefully we can push Steadman off via volume rather 940@than brute force. You know, I bet if I had that '386 I could write faster too. 046=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 10/26/89 17:43 Msg:4504 Call:24980 Lines:7 941 &*&*&*&*'s 942 Gee, I offer an alternative to the news and I get no input. I guess I'll 943 take my hardware musings elsewhere. :-| 944 945 An Astral Dreamer 946 &*&*&*&*'s 947 047=Usr:427 alyx * 10/26/89 22:02 Msg:4505 Call:24985 Lines:23 948 949 +#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+# 950 951 i'm not sure what you guys are counting down from but according 952 to my calculations, there are 49 lines left from here... i won't 953 try to fill them. 954 955 if i wanted to read news, i'd buy a newspaper, not dial a bbs. 956 for those with usenet access, how's alt.prose going? 957 958 sysops have a unique responsibility. i don't see how they can 959 be responsible for what others write on their boards. however, 960 they are responsible for allowing continued access to those who 961 choose to abuse the privelege of having an account. i have yet 962 to be on any kind of computer system where it is absolutely 963 impossible to trace the origin of any kind of 'prank' or law 964 breaking. 965 966 i have in the past posted copyrighted stuff to usenet but in 967 limited situations and i make it clear that i am doing so without 968 permission. i don't do it indiscriminately. 969 970 048=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 10/27/89 05:15 Msg:4506 Call:24990 Lines:16 971 972 973 {+}{+}{+}{+} 974 975 To : "Bob" The Fish 976 977 An interesting and provocative statement there with all that 978 stuff about Bakker VS/ The Airlines...you don't suppose this 979 could fire a debate...an informed discussion..something 980 interesting on the ole' BKW.....NHAAAAAAA..... 981 982 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+- 983 Never Mind 984 985 {+}{+}{+}{+} 986 049=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 10/27/89 19:55 Msg:4507 Call:25008 Lines:13 987 S&M S&M S&M S&M S&M S&M 988 10/27/89 - TICKER TAPE FLOODS BACKWATER, AUTHORS PANIC! 989 990 In a bold move today, an unarmed assailant burst into the Backwater 991 Message System, carrying only a large ticker tape machine. Threatening the 992 authors present with a magnet, he promptly set up the machine and began a 993 steady flow of ticker tape news items throughout the entire network of BWMS, 994 utterly clogging literary traffic for days. 995 "We just weren't expecting something like that tever happen," one 996 anonymouus writer commented during routin questioning. "I mean, look, usually 997 we get a few hack authors, but nothing this dramatic. You'd think there'd be 998 a law against something like this." 999 S&M S&M S&M S&M S&M S&M