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I'ne been there, ther's no there there. 005=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/29/89 09:16 Msg:4277 Call:23580 Lines:8 32 &*&*&*&*'s 33 The century mark... Wow. 100 archive disks after this. I have it on good 34 authority that that is around 20 meg or more of backwater archives. Happy 35 100th! 36 37 An Astral Dreamer 38 &*&*&*&*'s 39 006=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/29/89 18:33 Msg:4278 Call:23589 Lines:14 40 &*&*&*&*'s 41 42 Eventually Morton came to a fork in the road. One way was well traveled 43 and maintained, while the one on the right was hardly a path. Without 44 pausing he went right, mumbling to himself 'I took the road less traveled.' 45 46 The trees and grass on either side were almost uniformly a dull sickly 47 green, and the entire place was nearly silent. 48 49 (Contributing as much as anybody else today.) 50 51 An Astral Dreamer 52 &*&*&*&*'s 53 007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/29/89 21:52 Msg:4279 Call:23595 Lines:75 54 696969696969 55 HIGHER SPEEDS BRING MORE DEATHS:-8/28/89 56 It's a national struggle of the will and the gas pedal that rages after 57 states raised speed limits on certain sections of interstate highway to 65 58 mph. Concern about just how fast U.S. residents should drive is increasing 59 after preliminary evidence shows more people died in highway accidents as a 60 result of the higher speed limit. 61 More U.S. residents are wearing safety belts than ever before, but more 62 aggressive promotion of the belts could push use even higher, a safety group 63 said. Traffic Safety Now, reported Sunday that in states requiring use of the 64 belts, 51 percent of motorists wear them. In states without laws, about 36 65 percent of motorists wear them. Thirty-four states have seat-belt laws. 66 With faster speeds come greater numbers of deaths, says the National 67 Highway Traffic Safety Administration. The agency is expected to submit a 68 formal report next month but preliminary 1988 figures show a 13 percent 69 increase in deaths on rural interstates. NHTSA, like the Bush administration, 70 says speed limits are the states' business. 71 Two years ago, with the "energy crisis" long abated, Congress gave states 72 permission to increase limits to 65 mph on rural interstates where surrounding 73 population does not exceed 50,000. Within nine months, 38 states exercised the 74 option. The result: 32,168 miles of interstate, roughly three-fourths of the 75 44,328-mile system, were made eligible for 65 mph. 76 Working with death reports from the first 38 states adopting the higher 77 speed limit, the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety found that 1988 78 traffic fatalities on rural highways in those states increased 30 percent 79 compared to 1987. "It's a much greater increase in deaths than would have been 80 expected if speed limits hadn't been changed," says groups spokesman Brian 81 O'Neill. 82 There is a growing perception that the federal speed limit might be the 83 most blatantly abused law since Prohibition. About one in every nine drivers, 84 or about 20 million U.S. residents, says they own a radar detector, generating 85 gross sales estimated at about $300 million yearly. Connecticut, one of 10 86 states still enforcing 55 mph, found 85 percent of motorists were exceeding 87 that limit. 88 In 1984, the National Research Council, an arm of the National Academies 89 of Science and Engineering, said states spent about $512 million annually to 90 enforce 55 mph on about 35 percent to 40 percent of all moving traffic. Other 91 findings: 52,000 to 82,000 fewer injuries a year and about $122 million to 92 $240 million less in medical, legal and vehicle repair bills. 93 MOST CRASHES ARE DRIVER ERRORS:-8/28/89 94 Nearly 21 million auto-related accidents, resulting in 48,700 deaths and 95 1.8 million disabling injuries, occurred in 1987, the National Safety Council 96 reports. Most, 67 percent, were caused by driver error. In a recent survey of 97 500 motorists commissioned by Valvoline Oie1l Company 33 percent wrongly said a 98 aflashing red traffic light meant "proceed with caution." 99 Debate continues to rage after states raised speed limits on certain 100 sections of interstate highway to 65 mph. But concern about just how fast U.S. 101 residents should drive is sure to intensify over preliminary evidence that 102 more people have died in highway accidents as a result of the higher speed 103 limit. 104 In 1974, in the wake of the Arab oil embargo, Congress imposed a 55 mph 105 limit nationwide; the standard was made permanent the next year. Two years ago 106 Congress gave states permission to increase limits to 65 mph on rural 107 interstates where surrounding population does not exceed 50,000. Within nine 108 months, 38 states exercised the option; Georgia and Virginia did so just last 109 year. 110 Two years ago 32,168 miles of interstate, roughly three-fourths of the 111 44,328-mile system, were made eligible for 65 mph. Later, another 2,200 miles 112 of similar road in 16 states was added on a trial basis. But faster speeds 113 brought more deaths, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says. 114 Preliminary 1988 figures show a 13 percent increase in deaths on rural 115 interstates. 116 There is a growing perception that the federal speed limit might be the 117 most blatantly abused law since Prohibition. Connecticut, one of 10 states 118 still enforcing 55 mph, found earlier this year that 85 percent of motorists 119 were exceeding that limit. The state could lose federal highway money if that 120 scofflaw figures holds up through 1989. 121 In Pennsylvania, where 1,184 miles of eligible interstate remain at 55 122 mph, the Legislature considered going to 65 this spring. The debate bogged 123 down when somebody suggested banning radar detectors. About one in every nine 124 drivers, or about 20 million U.S. residents, acknowledges owning a radar 125 detector, generating gross sales estimated at about $300 million yearly. 126 127 696969696969696969 128 008=Usr:277 Schizo 08/30/89 00:19 Msg:4280 Call:23600 Lines:43 129 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 130 Old glory, also know as pancake-head, was strolling in the forrest one day 131 when he heard the distant call of a paratrouper. Remembering is grade school 132 training, he quickly ran to the principal's house only to find the house 133 empty. It seems that the principal had died some years earlier and hadn't left 134 a cent to poor pancake-head. Feeling hyper depressed, as he tended to feel 135 after discovering the neglegence of the dead, he decided that the next best 136 thing to do was to releive himself on the nearest public building. On this 137 particular day, his urine was a light pink color presumably from thinking 138 about how stupid the proccess of voting in the united states really is. 139 Pancake-head soon finished off the building, only to discover that it was 140 schedualed for daily maintanance. Damn he thought, now I'll have to go back 141 to grandma's place and drink more glue before I can do this again! 142 all this trouble would have gone unnoticed if it hadn't been for the 143 fact that an extra-terrestrial named skinhead hadn't been looking in on the 144 doings on planet Earth that day. Well, skinhead thought, theses earth people 145 sure are ****ed up. I'm gonna have to get down to earth and show 'em how we 146 do things on the planet glats. So he hopped into the one way transmat beam, 147 not realizing that Earth technolegy at that time was only capable of 148 trans-beaming to nearby tourist traps, and then only if they had a sufficient 149 amount of cash to purchase more stuff than would go back through the transmat 150 beam at one time. 151 Pancake-head was on his way to Grandma's house when his leg broke in the 152 middle of nowhere. It seemed obvious to pancake-head that trouble was in his' 153 future. At that instant, skinhead appeard due to a severe malfuntion in 154 the transmat beam. The malfunction also caused skinhead to mutate into an 155 orian slave girl (the green kind as seen on star trek!). well, as you can 156 guess, Pancake-head was overwhelmed with lust. Skinhead didn't have a chance 157 as pancake-head's body instinctivly lept 20 feet in the air and landed in the 158 correct region of skinhead's body to begin mating procedures. The force of 159 pancake-head's landing knocked skinhead out cold. after finishing the task, 160 pancake-head lay dead upon skinhead. 161 It was some hours later when skinhead awoke from the concussion, only to 162 find several large dents in his titanium lined underwear, and Pancake head 163 lying atop him. skinhead decided not to try to reform earth has he originally 164 set out to do. Instead, realizing the tremendous earning potential an 165 Orian slave girl has in this part of the Galexy, skinhead married several 166 earth men in succession and killed them by letting them try to mate though 167 his titanium underwear. This action led to several million dollars being 168 given to skinhead as a result of the wills left by the now deceased and 169 sterile husbands. 170 In short, skinhead lived happily ever after. 171 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 009=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/30/89 08:11 Msg:4281 Call:23606 Lines:15 172 &*&*&*&*'s 173 To those that don't like the news, 174 1. We never seem to hear from you, unless you are bitching about the news. 175 2. Not all of us have the time or money to get this stuff elsewhere, so 176 its new to us. 177 3. when Whomever stops posting that stuff backwater grounds to a halt, as 178 much as two days pass before anything is entered. 179 180 leading to 181 4. If you want me to come out against the news then start contributing 182 yourselves. ANYTHING is better then NOTHING. 183 184 An Astral Dreamer (Feeling cantankerous this morning, and not able to spell) 185 &*&*&*&*'s 186 010=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 08/30/89 11:33 Msg:4282 Call:23608 Lines:44 187 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 188 > SWOB: 189 > Hate to tell you this, but multivalued logic systems have been around 190 > for a long time. 191 192 I realize this. Ternary logic problems are indeed fun, but to be 193 meaningful they require a set of circumstances where three values 194 may occur. I do not see truth and falsehood as having a third value, 195 (I don't think anybody does) and that was my point. Facts are either 196 true or false, never anything else. In short, I'm not saying that 197 logic cannot be applied to cases where more than two values are 198 possible, I'm only saying that truth and falsehood is not such 199 a case. 200 201 > They no more destroy the basis of logic, than using a base 202 > other than 10 destroys the basis of arithmetic. 203 204 True. Unfortunately, multi-valued logic can be appropriate or 205 inappropriate to a given problem. With varied bases, the answer 206 is still the same, but with varied logic values you make assumptions 207 about the data beforehand. If the quartic/quintic system of logic 208 presented had come up with the same answers as the binary, I would 209 not have any disagreement with its usage. 210 211 > Also "This sentence is false" is not a paradox in *any* logic system! 212 > There's usually a chapter on this sor of thing in any good book on symbolic 213 > logic. The only way it looks like a paradox is if you confuse the langauge 214 > and the meta-language. 215 216 I considered this problem when trying to think of an actual 217 impossible situation. Doesn't the meta-language only come 218 into play with blanket statements about the whole group, such 219 as the proverbial Sicilian who says 'All Sicilians are liars'? 220 'This sentence is false' is a self-referential ("This"), so I 221 figured it was outside the realm of the meta-language. Forgive 222 me if I was wrong. My point is only that something cannot be 223 both true and false. 224 225 "Sometimes the beauty of the world is so overwhelming. I just want 226 to throw back my head and gargle. Just gargle and gargle, and I _ 227 don't care who hears me, because I am beautiful." /#) 228 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/ 229 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 230 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\ 011=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/30/89 14:58 Msg:4283 Call:23611 Lines:14 231 ................................................... 232 As she stood there, trying to decide the best course of action, Friar spoke: 233 "The is no need to run away. No one will harm you. At least no one I've 234 seen so far. There are those who seem to thrive on gore, but not I, or (I 235 think) those following me." She thought about his words. She thought of her 236 mission. She thought of her safety. "Do you remember where the pond lies?" 237 she asked. Friar paused, a look crossed his face as if an old wound had been 238 laid open again. The others were within hearing distance now. They seemed to 239 hesitate, as if they weren't sure they weren't intruding. As if their 240 curiosity had taken control of their bodies, and they found themselves drawn to 241 this couple, almost beyond their control. Before anyone else could speak, 242 Friar broke the tension.... 243 ...................................................... 244 012=Usr:4 Milchar 08/30/89 18:45 Msg:4284 Call:23615 Lines:7 245 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 246 Thanks for the memories, O Man of Little Parity (if any). 'Twas truly 247 a pleasant night. 248 And now there is a new Keeper of the Archives, by far the easiest copy 249 ever made. Of course, he had to find a partition with enough free 250 space left... :-) 251 ++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++ August 30, 1989 +++++++++++++ 013=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 08/30/89 20:14 Msg:4285 Call:23617 Lines:6 252 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 253 Friar and Ms. '...' Border: I noted the last entry of Ms. '...' with a bit of 254 confusion. Last I checked, The Cloaked Man was confronting Friar on the Road. 255 If I MISSED something, forgive me, but if that is so, an update would be 256 appreciated. 257 :::::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==Zephyr::=====:::::=====:::::=====:::::==== 014=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 08/30/89 20:19 Msg:4286 Call:23618 Lines:6 258 &*&*&*&*'s 259 Thats a problem with Multi-Authored stories. It's also half the fun. 260 261 An Astral Dreamer (What, no rebutals to my last entry?) 262 &*&*&*&*'s 263 015=Usr:379 Phoenix Polymorp 08/30/89 21:21 Msg:4287 Call:23620 Lines:10 264 THIS IS WORLD WATCH THREE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>30-Aug-89 265 This is is a test of Network Zero. We're attempting to get the bugs out of our 266 up-link, down-link inter-phase....Please stay tuned for news as we invent it, 267 here on World Watch Three. 268 269 This is only a test. 270 271 If this were an actual emergency, we wouldn't be conducting this test. 272 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 273 ^p 016=Usr:277 Schizo 08/30/89 23:05 Msg:4288 Call:23625 Lines:2 274 I lurked... It's no fair looking at the "privlaged" information either, 275 it would completely ruin the spirit of this message!! So don't do it!! 017=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 08/31/89 00:16 Msg:4289 Call:23629 Lines:62 276 696969696969 277 JUDGE FINES ABORTION PROTESTERS:-8/30/89 278 Twelve members of Operation Rescue were fined $10,000 each Tuesday and 279 ordered to pay $111,000 to lawyers for groups that advocate abortion rights 280 for violating a court order against blockading women's clinics in Southern 281 California. Their lawyer said blockades were necessary to save babies. But 282 U.S. District Judge A. Wallace Tashima called the defendants "hypocrites." 283 DAUGHTER'S RAPE JAILS MOM:-8/30/89 284 A Detroit mother of four was sent to prison for life Tuesday for letting 285 her 13-year-old daughter be raped as payment for crack cocaine. Susan Barbier, 286 29, sobbed as Judge James Rashid said she had "sunk to an intolerable level of 287 humanity." The girl was too shaken to make a statement asking the judge to 288 keep her mom locked up to protect her siblings, said her father, Michael Dare. 289 Where WERE the right-to-lifers when they were needed? 290 291 DEBATE - CHILD CARE USA TODAY'S OPINION: 292 No mother, no father should have to pass up a good job because there's no 293 one to care for their children. No child should be left alone before or after 294 school. No parent should have to worry all day about the safety of the child 295 dropped off for care on the way to work. Solving the problem won't be cheap. 296 But child care is one of the best investments we can make. 297 OTHER VIEWS: 298 TOTTIE ELLIS, vice president of the Eagle Forum and a free-lance writer: 299 Children belong to their parents and not to the government. Parents should 300 delay their wants, realizing a child is more valuable than cars, TVs or other 301 material objects. 302 JEFF RIGGENBACH, free-lance writer and broadcaster: We should not ask 303 government to "do something." ... We should demand that it undo what it has 304 done in the past. If our elected officials really want to help us out of the 305 current child-care crisis, they should begin by backing off. 306 PRESIDENT BUSH: "We must put our trust in parents, not in expanded 307 bureaucracies." 308 SEN. ORRIN G. HATCH, R-Utah: "I started looking at the statistics and the 309 facts, and when you do, you ask `What are we doing to our families?' You've 310 got to be concerned about the parents who just don't know what to do." 311 NATIONAL GOVERNORS' ASSOCIATION TASK FORCE ON CHILDREN: "The federal 312 government can lead best by example, beginning by developing a coherent 313 national strategy to support families and their children." 314 OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLA., Robert H. Alexander Jr., 38, lawyer: "The best day 315 care is not one type, but a range of options that best suits each family. That 316 could mean government-sponsored day care or private-sector day care." 317 VISALIA, CALIF., Norma Kemper, 63, retired teacher: "I think the old- 318 fashioned way of staying at home is the best kind, if families can afford it. 319 If not, then day-care centers that are well-staffed, at good facilities and 320 affordable are fine. I'm not so sure the government should get involved in day 321 care. It gets into so much and then things go haywire." 322 ARLINGTON, VA., Sam Marsh, 34, outreach coordinator: "The best day care 323 would be the mother taking care of her own child. But that's not feasible in 324 every situation. The government should help in some way. I like President 325 Bush's proposal for a tax credit to offset the cost for day care. Maybe that's 326 not the best we can do right now, but at least it's a start." 327 DAUGHTER'S RAPE JAILS MOM:-8/30/89 328 A Detroit mother of four was sent to prison for life Tuesday for letting 329 her 13-year-old daughter be raped as payment for crack cocaine. Susan Barbier, 330 29, sobbed as Judge James Rashid said she had "sunk to an intolerable level of 331 humanity." The girl was too shaken to make a statement asking the judge to 332 keep her mom locked up to protect her siblings, said her father, Michael Dare. 333 334 696969696969696969 335 336 to |||||====== , or whatever.... you must have missed something, or mis-read. 337 018=Usr:29 The Bard 08/31/89 16:06 Msg:4290 Call:23640 Lines:35 338 SWOB: 339 Sorry, but True and False are the endpoints of a continum. I doubt it 340 is possible to make a True statement about the real world, except possibly 341 mathematically. 342 Remember, "What is Truth?" goes back a long way. 343 As for the metalanguage, it *has* to come in in any "self-referential" 344 sentence. The sentence is just symbols, parsed according to the rules of the 345 language. If the language is self-consistent, then the sentence has a truth 346 value. But that value doesn't depend on the *meaning* of the sysmbols. 347 . 348 . 349 is a symbol. is a symbol. 350 is not The Sentence In Question. is not False, 351 which is a possible result of parsing The Sentence In Question. 352 A good example is the BASIC statement: A=A+1. By the rules of mathematics 353 this would be a false statement. By the rules of BASIC it results in the value 354 of A changing. The "this sentence is false" paradox is equivalent to looking 355 at the BASIC statement and declaring it a paradox! 356 "This sentence is false" is either a nonsenical bit of English, or it 357 is a collection of symbols to be logically evaluated. In the first case, it 358 isn't anything but nonsense. In the second case, it is just symbols, and self- 359 reference isn't allowed. 360 361 BTW, if you want examples of "multi-value logic" in the real world, ask a 362 scientist about "degrees of confidence". You have a range from False to true 363 with stops along the way at various degrees of "probably true" and "probably 364 false". Note the difference between *facts* (ie reality) and *statements about 365 those facts*. Facts are either true or false. Statements about reality have 366 degrees of truth. Note also that a "fact" is a wondrously complex thing. 367 "Water boils at 100 degrees C" is not a fact. "Pure H2O boils at 100 degrees 368 C at standard atmospheric pressure" is a lot closer to being a fact, but 369 there are still loopholes that have to be closed. ("pure" and "boils" both need 370 some work.." 371 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Bard~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 372@off 019=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/01/89 01:43 Msg:4291 Call:23654 Lines:97 373 374 375 {+}{+}{+}{+} 376 377 -|- F I S H N E W S -|- 378 -|- EDITORIAL -|- 379 380 STRANGE JUSTICE IN CHARLOTTE : THE LORD REALLY DOES WORK IN 381 382 MYSTERIOUS WAYS 383 384 By ThingFish 385 386 387 It's been quite an uplifting week in the news. The twin 388 spectacle of Leona Helmsley and Jim Bakker being whipped like 389 dogs and ground into sausage before our video eyes is the best 390 thing to come over CNN since Lloyd Bentson made Danny Quayle's 391 lower lip quiver. 392 393 The wretched saga of Jism Jim and Pancake Tammy, in 394 particular, has reached an all new level of hellish grief and 395 humiliation; or joyous rapture, depending on which side of the 396 drama you're on. 397 398 Bakker is up on some very heavy fraud and conspiracy charges - 399 24 counts in all - which could, in theory, net him 120 years in 400 prison and a 5 million dollar fine. The PTL "Partners" would 401 need to dig deep, yet again, to pay off a ticket like that - and 402 their numbers, and contributions, have been dwindling of late. 403 It's beginning to look like God Almighty may be sympathetic to 404 the D.A.'s point of view on this one. 405 406 On the third day of the trial in Charlotte, North Carolina, 407 former PTL vice-president Steve Nelson collapsed on the witness 408 stand - effectively bringing the proceedings to a halt while 409 urgent prayers from Bakker and an ambulance were summoned. 410 Somewhere around this time Jim Bakker began feeling a little 411 light in his loafers himself. 412 413 Day four never got off the ground at all. U.S. District 414 Judge Robert Potter suspended the trial, sent the jury home and 415 had Bakker committed for psychiatric testing amid baffling 416 reports that Bakker was found trying to stuff his head under a 417 couch in order to better escape the scary monsters he was busily 418 hallucinating. Bakker could be institutionalized for up to 60 419 days, and he began his journey to the nuthouse by assuming the 420 fetal position in the backseat of a federal automobile. The U.S. 421 marshals were not amused. 422 423 Some feel that this is all a ruse, a sham cooked up by Jim and 424 Tammy to take the heat off for a while so they can re-group. But 425 Bakker was led away IN HANDCUFFS and is now spending his days 426 and nights in a FEDERAL CORRECTIONS FACILITY. If this freak show 427 is all just calculated showboating, it can't be working out the 428 way the Bakkers had hoped. Surely a nice limo ride to a nice 429 private hospital would have been more what they had in mind. 430 431 Tammy Faye was quick to point out that they have been under a 432 lot of stress lately. Well, maybe so. There are a lot of people 433 up on charges in this country, but you don't often find them 434 cowering under the furniture, dodging giant flying manta rays 435 that are trying to bite their heads off. When a man in a suit 436 hits the deck to hide from something no one else can see, there 437 is usually something stonger than stress involved. Maybe Jim has 438 been dipping into the same diet pills that led Tammy to observe 439 in-flight monkeys frolicking on the wing of their Lear jet a few 440 years back. Perhaps these witness stand fainting spells and 441 early morning lapses into psychosis are a warning sign that the 442 all-night, hysteria fueled prayer/testimony rehearsal sessions 443 have reached a dangerously fevered pitch in the Bakker camp. 444 445 Another possibility is that what we are witnessing is a kind 446 of Divine Justice in action, and never mind any courts of law, 447 legal posturing, or sentencing guidelines. If Jim Bakker has 448 soiled the carpet of decent society, maybe this is God's way of 449 rubbing his nose in the steaming mess. And if Jim Bakker is a 450 bad doggie, you must admit that the Lord has a mighty good arm 451 with that rolled up newspaper. 452 453 Rather than smite him down with a thunderbolt from heaven, 454 maybe it is God's will that Jim Bakker writhe in secular agony, 455 that he be left twisting in the wind, fighting off the demons of 456 his tortured soul, with only his frightening wife, his failed 457 empire, his financial ruin, and his uncertain future to comfort 458 him. 459 460 461 Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord 462 (Romans 12:19) 463 464 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+- 465 Gimme That Ole Time Religion 466 467 468 {+}{+}{+}{+} 469 020=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 09/01/89 16:14 Msg:4292 Call:23668 Lines:3 470 Milch- 471 First 1.75 years are as long in paper as last quarter 83. 472 Friar 021=Usr:4 Milchar 09/01/89 17:48 Msg:4293 Call:23670 Lines:6 473 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 474 Quite a variance in the number of entries, eh? I believe BW's usage 475 chart peaks out in '85 sometime, when a 629-line-disk-a-day was common. 476 It took me quite a while to read the archives up to my appearance, a few 477 hours at a time.... 478 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 022=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 09/01/89 19:00 Msg:4294 Call:23671 Lines:97 479 696969696969 480 YEAH THINGFISH !! Halleluiah !!BAKKER COMMITTED FOR TESTING:-9/ 481 The tumultuous trial of Jim Bakker takes an extended, unscheduled Labor 482 Day break this week - with the disgraced televangelist committed to a 483 psychiatric facility. Bakker, charged with fraud and conspiracy, has been 484 hallucinating and hiding in his lawyer's office in the fetal position, a 485 defense psychiatrist told the Charlotte, N.C., federal court Thursday. 486 Bakker, reportedly, now has free run of the grounds at a federal prison. 487 Inmates have been warned by officials to watch their wallets closely. 488 489 LEE ATWATER, head of the National Republican Committee, had this comment: "I 490 think Jim Bakker should receive a full pardon for all the things he didn't do 491 wrong. After all, he was behaving in the manner we promote for all good 492 Republicans to behave. We are just sorry we weren't able to involve him with 493 all the good Lord's bounty we other Republicans received from HUD. I feel 494 that if we had a few more Jim Bakkers in this world, we could achive a 495 Republican majority in the House of Representatives again in our life time." 496 497 NEW IDEA FOR FIGHTING DRUGS:-9/1/89 498 An Idaho doctor has come up with a novel idea for combating drug use in 499 sports: pool the team's urine samples after competition. Dr. Fritz R. Dixon of 500 Boise suggested in Friday's Journal of the American Medical Association that 501 if the group sample was found to contain drugs, the team would lose the 502 competition, forcing teams - not individuals - to accept responsibility for 503 fighting drugs. 504 sounds like a good idea to me 505 506 consider this next one in light of the press reports of this country's first 507 involvement in Viet Nam ... Want to start a war to revive the economy? Send 508 the advisers first, then we'll need to support them with fighting soldiers, 509 then we'll need to send material...... 510 TRAINERS ARRIVE IN COLOMBIA:-9/1/89 511 U.S. military trainers and equipment begin arriving in Colombia Thursday - 512 the first big U.S. role in that country's war against the cocaine kings. The 513 Pentagon said Thursday that up to 100 U.S. military personnel would train 514 Colombian police to use helicopters, small attack planes, weapons and C-130 515 cargo planes. 516 Of course, LEE ATWATER had a comment: "We did our damnest to get a war going 517 in Central America during the Reagan years, but the Contras were more intereste 518 in selling drugs than fighting, so we were forced to give up. Now, the America 519 people are realizing that our "War on Drugs" is a sham, and we have to appear 520 to do something about it. Now, we can use that as an excuse for putting 521 young American lives on the line, send more money south, and look like we're 522 doing something. I feel that far-sighted thinking like this will all but 523 ensure a Republican majority in the House in our lifetime." 524 525 OIL FIRMS FIGHT METHANOL:-9/1/89 526 Faced with the growing momentum of the clean-air movement, big oil 527 companies are scrambling to head off drastic proposals that would replace 528 gasoline with alcohol fuels, such as methanol, the Sept. 4 issue of Business 529 Week reports. 530 Major oil companies are racing to develop "reformulated" gasolines so they 531 can compete with alternative fuels, and protect their $100 billion-a-year U.S. 532 gasoline market from methanol competition, says the Sept. 4 Business Week. 533 "They don't want to have methanol crammed down their throats," says John R. 534 Dosher, managing director at Pace Consultants Inc. 535 Top Bush administration officials favor methanol as a new fuel because it 536 produces 50 percent less smog or ozone than gasoline, the Sept. 4 Business 537 Week reports. By 1997, 30 percent of all new cars sold in the nine dirtiest 538 cities in the United States will have to burn cleaner fuels, such as methanol, 539 under the administration's proposed revisions to the Clean Air Act. 540 Oil companies are hot for reformulated gasoline because they can produce 541 it in existing refineries, says the Sept. 4 issue of Business Week. But 542 gasoline can't match methanol as a smog-reducer. Removing lead from gasoline 543 results in fuels that produce more smog. Refiners have substituted aromatic 544 compounds that include carcinogens, such as benzene and other smog-producing 545 chemicals. 546 Arco is working on a reformulated gasoline that reduces evaporative 547 emissions by 21 percent, yet lowers unburned hydrocarbons - the main culprits 548 in smog - by only 4 percent. Arco says future gains will be tougher, according 549 to the Sept. 4 Business Week. It would cost $17 billion to cut aromatics just 550 10 percentage points, says Information Resources Inc. 551 Refiners claim they can perfect a better gasoline within five years, but 552 they might not have that much time, says the Sept. 4 Business Week. Despite 553 oil industry opposition, Colorado passed new clean-air laws two years ago. 554 Also, California wants 40 percent of all new cars to burn methanol by 2000, 555 and eight Northeastern states are studying stringent clean-air proposals. 556 LEE ATWATER could not be reached for comment. 557 558 7TH WITNESS IMPLICATES ROSE:-9/1/89 559 A seventh witness in the trial of Thomas P. Gioiosa has offered testimony 560 implicating Cincinnati Reds' manager Pete Rose in tax fraud. Shirley 561 Fehrenbach, whose daughter dated Gioiosa for a year, said that Gioiosa had 562 bragged he was sheltering Rose's track winnings from taxes. 563 As Lee Atwater, Chairman of the Republican National committee, said: "Only 564 little people pay taxes. I don't understand what everyone's upset about Pete 565 Rose, Leona Helmsly, and and Jim Bakker not paying taxes...it's common practice 566 for us big people. If they had to pay taxes on the actual amount of money they 567 get, it will leave that much less for them to buy Republican candidates. If 568 they don't buy Republican candidates and the elections, we'll never get a 569 Republican majority in the House again, and we may lose control of the 570 Presidency and Senate too. If the wealthy in this country have to follow the 571 same rules and laws the middle and lower classes do, what's the point of being 572 ludicrusly wealthy?" or words to that effect. 573 574 696969696969696969 575 023=Usr:272 Talos 09/02/89 01:59 Msg:4295 Call:23677 Lines:34 576 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> 577 578 A TRUE STORY IN THE DAY IN THE 579 LIFE OF A "COP-WANNA-BE" 580 581 582 A short story though looking back it made me feel better about my job 583 as a security officer with Crowd Management Services (CMS). We do mostly 584 concerts and events like that. The other night I was working the George Clinton 585 concert at Stary Night. All night I'd been checking coats at the door for guns, 586 booze, cameras, etc. I also had to tell people they couldn't leave and come 587 back, Stary Night has a 'No re-entry' policy. After 6 hours of doing this the 588 concert was over and people started leaving. A young lady came up to me and 589 asked about paging her friend because she'd lost her. My partner went up to the 590 main floor and looked around for her. No luck. I walked her around for 20 591 minutes, through parking lots and small crowds looking for her friend. No luck. 592 She was from Seattle, lost, scared, and a little drunk. She was nearing tears & 593 her friend was nowhere to be found. It was also time for me to stow my gear and 594 get home. Well, it was my job to protect her, a paying customer of the concert, 595 and to make sure things were 'cool'. At one point she nearly broke out in tears 596@ 597 and screamed. She said "please hold me!" in a rather terrified voice. I held 598 her and said "It's going to be all right. I'll stow my gear, we'll get you to a 599 phone and you can call a friend of yours. I won't leave you alone until you get 600 to your friend." She settled down and I walked her back to the hall. I checked 601 in my shirt and got my stuff and went to get her a phone. Lo and behold her 602 friend was there. They hugged and talked to her for a bit and I walked out with 603 a pat on her shoulder and said "Don't lose your friends, it'll be all right 604 now." I caught a cab and came home. 605 Thinking about it, I remembered holding her in my arms and telling her 606 that everything would be all right. Yeah, it's a rough job, but at times 's 607 really worth the effort. 608 Talos Valheru 609 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> 024=Usr:588 Wayne S. 09/02/89 14:54 Msg:4296 Call:23682 Lines:11 610 ================================================================ 611 612 You know, I'm awful tired of dropping by this board and reading about 613 trivial matters like politics and religions and science and logic, etc. 614 No, I want to bring up a question that _really_ impacts life on this 615 planet! 616 617 What does anyone here think of the new NFL noise penalty? Is it good? 618 Is it bad? and most importantly, will it work? 619 620 ========================Signer==================================== 025=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/02/89 17:47 Msg:4297 Call:23684 Lines:4 621 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 622 I heard that the judge wanted to sentance Jimmy to working six months for 623 Leona Helmsley, but he couldn't. There are laws about cruel and inhuman 624 punishment in this country. 026=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/02/89 17:49 Msg:4298 Call:23685 Lines:1 625 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 027=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/02/89 19:17 Msg:4299 Call:23686 Lines:18 626 ======================---------------===================-------------========== 627 628 Yeah man, the rehashed news stories just feeds the creative whim of everyone 629 here. I mean when I read something on backwater that I just saw on the Today 630 show two days earlier, the first thing I want to do is write my own original 631 entry. I am sure it is the same for everyone. 632 633 By all means keep on entering stolen articles from other news sources, so 634 backwater can continue to thrive! 635 636 Makes sense to me yuck yuck yuck 637 638 Speaking of which - how do you know what I do here or how much I contribute? 639 Either you are making gross assumptions or you are peaking at information 640 you have no business peaking at. Shame on you! 641 642 --------------------=================== Charitable ==================---------- 643 028=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/03/89 01:24 Msg:4300 Call:23697 Lines:25 644 645 646 {+}{+}{+}{+} 647 648 Nice Going Talos. 649 650 My job is full of small rewards and petty frustrations too, and 651 sometimes you can't tell which is which until you get home 652 and think it over. 653 654 I'm in no hurry to regress into seventies love-coated share 655 fests...but it is nice to read an occasional slice-o-life 656 reflection from time to time among the cool stories 657 and harsh opinions. 658 659 I assume behind every sharp hacker there lies a real person.. 660 ...its good to hear from you. 661 662 663 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+- 664 Get Outta Here, Ya Big Softie.... 665 666 667 {+}{+}{+}{+} 668 029=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/03/89 15:51 Msg:4301 Call:23704 Lines:1 669 The petrie dish kid was here! 030=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/03/89 20:02 Msg:4302 Call:23706 Lines:3 670 671 ahhhhaaa, a clone eh? 672 031=Usr:13 voyeur 09/04/89 00:02 Msg:4303 Call:23714 Lines:2 673 Hmmm.... I think the petrie dish kid is missing a chromosome... 674 032=Usr:272 Talos 09/04/89 00:17 Msg:4304 Call:23715 Lines:12 675 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> 676 677 ThingFish, thanx. After I got home and thought about it, I really felt good 678 about what I did. Some guys would've ditched her or put a move on her. At one 679 point she had started walking away real fast like she was pissed off and didn't 680 want me to help her but I stayed with her. After I caught up with her is when 681 she broke up. I like to think there are still SOME nice guys left. I went out 682 and saw When Harry Met Sally tonight with a girl I've been seeing. Got some 683 good vibes after the show. It's one of those 'feels good to be alive' nights 684 now. Good night from Hollywood, 685 Talos Valheru 686 <*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*><*> 033=Usr:29 The Bard 09/04/89 00:23 Msg:4305 Call:23716 Lines:38 687 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 688 Tahl D'Jehn 689 (words & music: Diana Gallagher) 690 691 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni 692 bound for a new star, Chai-te, 693 Seeking new worlds for the ashin bey. 694 The colony awaits signal --- go or stay 695 The decision will be Tahl d'jehn's, the shtahn jii. 696 697 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni 698 found Chai-te rich beyond dreams. 699 But the Law applied, expansion denied, 700 if an intelligence there did abide. 701 The Mediators had so agreed it should be. 702 703 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni 704 chose to explore Chai-te Two. 705 Te sole living world, it showed no evidence 706 of an indigenous, alien intelligence -- 707 Until a derelict probe was taken in tow. 708 709 Tahl d'jehn of the scout ship Dan tahlni 710 analyzed the facts, then he knew. 711 The NASA were gone, drowned in a sea 712 of carbon dioxide in antqiy 713 The reasons Tahl questioned alone. 714 715 CODA: Why did they perish, not try to escape 716 Into the darkness and safety of space? 717 Why did they die -- jehda tohm? 718 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 719 As I have pointed out on another board, there is all to great a possibility 720 that the Voyagers and Pioneer spacecraft will be the only evidence that our 721 species ever existed. Thus the song above. 722 723 Let's make the above future impossible. 724 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 034=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 09/04/89 01:20 Msg:4306 Call:23717 Lines:16 725 726 727 {+}{+}{+}{+} 728 729 Some Free Advice 730 731 Never...EVER...go to a Catholic wedding with a hangover. 732 733 You're Welcome 734 735 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+- 736 All Rise...Please Be Seated...All Rise...Please Be Seated... 737 738 739 {+}{+}{+}{+} 740 035=Usr:29 The Bard 09/04/89 13:44 Msg:4307 Call:23719 Lines:1 741 [1m 036=Usr:322 Stray Cat 09/04/89 13:58 Msg:4308 Call:23720 Lines:7 742 743 Or attend mass on Palm Sunday when you're pregnant and have morning sickness. 744 It's about a two-hour service ... I hit my funnybone on the way down (do they 745 still kneel???) and thought I was gonna die. I wasn't feeling well anyway 746 and I wasn't Catholic either and had never really been to mass before ... 747 748 done 037=Usr:368 Nemesis Warlock 09/04/89 19:29 Msg:4309 Call:23725 Lines:6 749 Adios to all from Rayal Von Jerrik. I shall return from the Netherworld at 750 a later date, but for now, I wishyou all goodbye and good luck! 751 I may not have been on for a loonlong time, but rest assured that I am still 752 here! 753 ArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrArrrArrArrArrArr 754 Away, ye scurvy landlubbers1 038=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 09/04/89 23:28 Msg:4310 Call:23729 Lines:7 755 Or you could just skip the pregnancy thing altogether and go the petrie dish 756 method. Of course be careful when you are walking around the lab with the 757 stuff or you might lose that chromosome and end up using slow outdated 758 computers for the rest of your life. 759 760 The petrie-dish kid 761 ................... 039=Usr:13 voyeur 09/05/89 00:14 Msg:4311 Call:23732 Lines:3 762 I see! Dropping a Bit of genetic material would cause one to attain Parity with 763 a certain 'hombre, eh? Gosh, I love Biology! 764 040=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/05/89 09:09 Msg:4312 Call:23738 Lines:14 765 &*&*&*&*'s 766 What one contributes under another handle does not concern me. I judge only 767 under the handle that I am talking about. I don't think I should be expected 768 to either a) figure out what handle goes with which other handle. or b) 769 relly on the easily defeated log. 770 771 Now, about the news. I don't watch TV, other then an occasional movie on the 772 VCR. I seldom have time to read the paper either, so the news is not old to 773 me. I know that I am not the only one who feels this way. You are entitled to 774 your opinion. 775 776 An Astral Dreamer 777 &*&*&*&*'s 778 041=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/05/89 16:08 Msg:4313 Call:23745 Lines:127 779 > SWOB: 780 > Sorry, but True and False are the endpoints of a continuum. 781 782 I'm still not convinced we've actually disagreed on much yet. 783 If you mean by this that we always make statements with less 784 than perfect certainty, I wholeheartedly agree. If you mean 785 that some statements can be true in some cases, and not in 786 others, I also agree. But if you are saying that a statement 787 about a particular thing can be somewhere between true and 788 false, I'm beginning to doubt. Now surely something can be 789 "close" to the truth, as the models of modern Physics closely 790 parallel the actual observations, and if you were to call 791 modern physical models "near truth," I would tend to agree. 792 The only place I would depart from this statement is where 793 one is talking about something in the specific, well-defined, 794 and complete sense. A statement must, in the end, be either 795 right-on or not. This is the sense of truth I was referring 796 to when I said that things are either true or not. 797 798 > I doubt it 799 > is possible to make a True statement about the real world, except possibly 800 > mathematically. 801 802 With infinite precision? probably not. But if you widen your scope 803 enough, you'll eventually hit something that's true (i.e. instead of 804 saying "water boils at 100C", say something like "water boils" 805 (I know, I know, 'how profound!')) 806 807 > Remember, "What is Truth?" goes back a long way. 808 809 At least back to Francis Bacon. But, as William Golding said, some 810 use it as the end of an argument, instead of the beginning. 811 812 > As for the metalanguage, it *has* to come in in any "self-referential" 813 > sentence. The sentence is just symbols, parsed according to the rules of the 814 > language. If the language is self-consistent, then the sentence has a truth 815 > value. But that value doesn't depend on the *meaning* of the symbols. 816 > . 817 > . 818 > is a symbol. is a symbol. 819 > is not The Sentence In Question. is not False, 820 > which is a possible result of parsing The Sentence In Question. 821 822 I think I see what you mean: that the statement is not self- 823 referential. But I can find no justification for this position. 824 To say that "this sentence" is on a different level of abstraction 825 than "false" does not ring true to me. They are both particulars 826 and both concrete. And I cannot agree with the statement that the 827 value of a sentence does not depend on the meaning of its symbols. 828 The sentence "I am human" can be true if and only if "I" (the 829 person, not the word or the concept) truly "am" (in the physical 830 sense) "human" (fall within whatever specifications determine 831 humanity). 832 The sentence "All sentences are false" is not nonsense, 833 because "all sentences" is a different level of abstraction than 834 the sentence in question. "Never say never" is not a paradox 835 since the first "never" is talking about all statements, the 836 second about particular ones (see Neil Portman, "Confusing Levels 837 of Abstraction"). I do not see this type of difference in "This 838 sentence is false." 839 840 > A good example is the BASIC statement: A=A+1. By the rules of mathematics 841 > this would be a false statement. By the rules of BASIC it results in the valu 842 > A changing. The "this sentence is false" paradox is equivalent to looking 843 > at the BASIC statement and declaring it a paradox! 844 845 Of course, if you change what "is" means, you can make the sentence 846 coherent. (In the preceding example, you have simply changed the 847 meaning of '=' from comparison to assignment) 848 849 > "This sentence is false" is either a nonsenical bit of English, 850 851 Exactly my point. The sentence is pure nonsense. 852 853 > or it 854 > is a collection of symbols to be logically evaluated. 855 856 I suppose you can view it that way, but then you are taking away 857 its meaningfulness to the real world anyway. 858 859 > In the first case, it 860 > isn't anything but nonsense. In the second case, it is just symbols, and self 861 >rerence isn't allowed. 862 863 Exactly! So what are we disagreeing on? I think, perhaps, I was 864 speaking solely in the first sense, while you were speaking solely 865 in the second. 866 867 > Note the difference between *facts* (ie reality) and *statements about 868 > those facts*. ^^^^^^^^^^ 869 870 In keeping with the context of the discussion, I was restricting 871 my discussion to the truth or falsity of facts only. I agree 872 completely that statements about facts can be "true" (accurate) 873 without being infinitely precise. 874 875 > Facts are either true or false. 876 877 Couldn't have said it better myself. 878 879 > Statements about reality have 880 >degrees of truth. 881 882 Yes, depending on how closely they approximate the facts. 883 884 Well, I can't really see much that I disagree with other than the 885 nature of the statement 'This sentence is false.' (whether it is 886 self-referential or refers to something else). I am content to 887 say that it is an assertion which can be assigned no logical value, 888 and is therefore not a proposition, but if it really is referring 889 (somehow) to the *concept* of a sentence rather than this particular 890 sentence, please explain how this is reconciled with other sentences 891 about particular things. 892 In short, I don't know what the sentence is. It seems to 893 me to be nonsense, and since the application of levels of abstraction 894 and meta-language to self-referential truth statements is not a 895 burning question in my mind, I'm willing to drop it. We seem to 896 agree on the point I was making to (Friar, was it?) that facts are 897 either true or false. 898 899 "I think there should be something in science called the 'reindeer 900 effect.' I don't know what it would be, but I think it'd be good 901 to hear someone say, 'Gentlemen, what we have here is a terrifying _ 902 example of the reindeer effect.'" /#) 903 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/ 904 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 905 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\ 042=Usr:29 The Bard 09/05/89 22:10 Msg:4314 Call:23748 Lines:15 906 SWOB: 907 >We seem to agree on the point I was making to (Friar, was it?) that facts are 908 >either true or false. 909 910 But what both Friar and I have been saying is that *statements* may be true, 911 false, or anything inbetween. Your exapmple above will do quite well: 912 "water boils". The statement may be true or it may be false. But it requires 913 information not present in the statement OR IN THE RULES OF DISCOURSE to 914 determine which. That Is why I said it is almost impossible to make a true 915 statement about reality. 916 The statement must be able to stand on it's own. 917 Likewise, "This sentence is false" can't be a paradox, because the only means 918 of parsing it that will even give it the appearance of one is English. English 919 is not a "formal system". Thuis it can't have paradoxes... 920 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~BARD~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 043=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/06/89 09:51 Msg:4315 Call:23760 Lines:10 921 &*&*&*&*'s 922 But it ("This sentence is false.") Is Meaningless. Null Program. Same thing 923 as a paradox as far as I can see. Translate it to any other language (French, 924 Russion etc.) And you'll find it is just as meaningless. Much like saying 925 A:=A; in pascal. Any good optomizer would get rid of it because of the lack 926 of meaning. 927 928 An Astral Dreamer 929 &*&*&*&*'s 930 044=Usr:26 Mohammed Wassir 09/06/89 19:04 Msg:4316 Call:23775 Lines:9 931 Blue Parrot Blues 932 933 I've been away for a few days and upon my return, I can't seem to 934 revive the Parrot. The darned thing won't boot up. Please 935 consider the Parrot off-line until I can figure out what the 936 problem is. 937 938 Michael Bigham 939 ------------------------------------------------------------------- 045=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/06/89 20:36 Msg:4317 Call:23776 Lines:3 940 Ack! Help Somebody! I'm going through Parrot withdrawl! Ack! 941 Awk! Awk! Polly wanna cracker! Awk! 942 ================================================================== 046=Usr:507 todd rogers 09/06/89 22:10 Msg:4318 Call:23779 Lines:14 943 ------- 944 ------- 945 ------- 946 ------- 947 ------- I just stopped by to say that i have nothing to say. 948 ------- That is i would have had nothing to say if I didn't stop 949 ------- by and say that i had nothing to say. But now that I've 950 ------- said that i had nothing to say, I guess that was something 951 ------- in itself..... Hmmmmm.... I'm going to have to think 952 ------- about this for a while..... 953 ------- 954 ------- When you say your thinking about nothing, are you thinking 955 ------- about nothing or are you thinking ABOUT nothing.... 956 ------- If you catch my drift... that is if I throw it. 047=Usr:4 Milchar 09/06/89 23:40 Msg:4319 Call:23780 Lines:5 957 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 958 And Celene is back on the air! Well, sort of. My spell laboratory is 959 set up on a kitchen table here in Rose City, pending a more permanent 960 transfer of equipment. But at least I can catch up on BW... 961 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 048=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 09/07/89 09:40 Msg:4320 Call:23785 Lines:3 962 963 sed! sed! perl! perl! 964 049=Usr:289 Audie Huber 09/07/89 17:11 Msg:4321 Call:23797 Lines:17 965 3.141592653589793238463.141592653589793238463.14159265358979323846 966 967 Just another psychotic. How many of you nimno Backwaterians are 968 heading off to college this month. Or how many of you are in college 969 right now. I'm headin' off to University of Oregon, so I'll be missing 970 BWMS. Just wonderin'. 971 973 There once was a woman from Bright, 974 Who travled much faster than light. 975 She went out one day, in a relative way, 976 And returned the previous night. 977 978 History does not repeat itself, historians repeat each other. 979 980 --Audie Huber. 981 3.141592653589793238463.141592653589793238463.14159265358979323846 050=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 09/07/89 21:47 Msg:4322 Call:23802 Lines:11 982 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 983 Some timely advice for Milch follows, but mostly just a swoblurk... 984 || 985 \/ 986 "f you keep some people's brains alive by putting them in an 987 aquarium after they're dead, go ahead and put in some snails to keep 988 down that algae. But not too many, because the snails could _ 989 overpopulate and crowd out the brains from the habitat." /#) 990 -Jack Handey, "Deep Thoughts" n n n (#/ 991 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 992 */*/*/*/*/*/*/ -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\ 051=Usr:277 Schizo 09/07/89 22:29 Msg:4323 Call:23803 Lines:7 993 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 994 Here is the end. 995 The terrible lifesucking merciless end. 996 And I stand alone, my only companion 997 that which I belive to be here, but not seen, not heard. 998 And not even belived by most who have gone before me. The end. 999 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@