NUMBER OF LINES: 999 001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19 1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2$************************* INSTALLED: 8 JUN 89 **************************** 3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator 4$************************************************************************** 5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately 8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general 9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the 10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all 11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the 12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data 13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out 14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering 15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to 16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up. 17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18$************************************************************************** 19$ 002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/08/89 23:51 Msg:3951 Call:21677 Lines:3 20 The most gifted members of the human species are at their creative 21 best when they cannot have their way. -- Eric Hoffer 22 ************************************************************************ 003=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/09/89 02:15 Msg:3952 Call:21679 Lines:15 23 &*&*&*&*'s 24 25 At the top! Yet again. Ok, looks like I opened a can of worms on the last disk. 26 27 (This will be short as I need to get to bed.) It is indeed a very complex 28 issue, and one that will never really be settled I am sure. But I feel that 29 the common ownership of guns tends to moderate the actions of a government. If 30 you don't fear your populace, you are going to tend to be a good deal less 31 carefull about what they think. 32 33 Thats it for now. 34 35 An Astral Dreamer (Who really should have given credit/blame to ThingFish :-) ) 36 &*&*&*&*'s 37 004=Usr:465 Gregg Harris 06/09/89 02:32 Msg:3953 Call:21680 Lines:7 38 )(*&(**&)*(&(*&((&(*&)(*&)(**&)(*&)((*&)((&()(*&)(**&&)(* 39 40 oh, yeah. i am at the top. [emphasise deleted] 41 42 the apathetic mole 43 )*&)(*&)((*&)((*)((*)((**&)((*)(*(&)(*&)((*&)(*&)((*)((* 44 005=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 06/09/89 10:34 Msg:3954 Call:21688 Lines:28 45 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 46 47 Hey! It's STV:TFF day! So where/when's the party? 48 49 _ 50 _|_|_ 51 ^/ . ..\^ 52 ___[=========]___ 53 ___-==++""" . /. . . \ . """++==-___ 54 __-+"" __\ .. . . | .. . | . . . /__ ""+-__ 55 /\__+-"" `-----=====\_ _/=====-----' ""-+__/\ 56 _/_/ ""="" \_\_ 57 /_/ \_\ 58 // | \\ 59 /") \ | / ("\ 60 \o\ \*/ /o/ 61 \_) --**O**-- (_/ 62 /*\ 63 / | \ 64 | 65 66 bIjeghbe' chugh vaj biHegh! 67 (surrender or die!) 68 _ 69 /#) 70 n n n (#/ 71 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 72 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\ 006=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 06/09/89 14:46 Msg:3955 Call:21691 Lines:9 73 -=-======-=--------=-========-=------------=-==========-=------=-==-=-----=- 74 Very impresive! I'm refering of course to the above presentation of a 75 Klingon warship. 76 77 So...Oh nevermind. Everyone'll proabably just ignore me again. Erg. 78 79 LB\__/ 80 oo 81 -=--{=-=---------=-=======-=-------=-=======-=-------======-=------=-======- 007=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/09/89 20:23 Msg:3956 Call:21696 Lines:53 82 696969696969 83 84 and now, we finally know: 85 BUGS MIGHT ANSWER UFO QUESTION:-6/9/89 86 Electromagnetic fields and the habits of common insects might explain many 87 sightings of unidentified flying objects. Dr. Phillip Callahan of the Optical 88 Society of America hit on the idea after he discovered insects give off a 89 visible glow when placed in a magnetic field. He reasoned that such fields - 90 common in the storm fronts - could cause such a glow and trigger UFO reports. 91 92 IMELDA MARCOS SINGS:-6/9/89 93 Imelda Marcos' first album is called "Imelda Papin Featuring Songs with 94 Mrs. Imelda Marcos." And you can get your hands on it starting Sunday. It 95 features Marcos as guest singer of some of her favorite U.S. and Filipino 96 songs - including "Feelings." The 12-song, 43-minute cassette is a collection 97 of songs selected by entertainer Imelda Papin, the record's producer. 98 You'll want to get the C.D. so you get the highest audio quality, and it won't 99 ever wear out. 100 101 BUSH `DISAPPOINTED' WITH CHINA:-6/9/89 102 President Bush expressed a "certain sense of personal disappointment" 103 Thursday at the threat of civil war in China. Bush, the first U.S. envoy to 104 China in modern times, repeatedly spoke of his concern for the human rights of 105 the Chinese people and the importance of U.S.-China relations at his first 106 prime-time news conference. 107 The exodus of foreigners from Beijing is slowing as the military and 108 political turmoil eases. Restaurants, shops and post offices reopened Thursday 109 as soldiers cleaned up debris in Tiananmen Square. Other soldiers continued to 110 fire into the air. Meanwhile, Secretary of State James Baker said U.S.-China 111 relations suffered "a tragic step backward," but said economic ties should 112 continue. 113 China's Premier Li Peng appeared on a national TV news show - his first 114 since the army killed at least 500. Li told a cheering audience of military 115 men in the Great Hall of the People that the soldiers had "done a brilliant 116 job of carrying out the orders of the state council." Meanwhile, The U.S. 117 Voice of America said it was now sending TV signals via satellite to Beijing - 118 a first. 119 120 EXXON SAYS IT WILL SAVE EAGLES:-6/9/89 121 Exxon Corp., in a press release, says it and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife 122 Service plan to capture and clean bald eagles and other birds of prey 123 jeopardized by the March 24 oil spill from the Exxon Valdez tanker. Eagles 124 will be taken to the Alaska Avian Research and Rehabilitation Center in 125 Anchorage for treatment. Last month, Exxon said it provided $100,000 for 126 construction of the center. 127 128 as Bruce Cockburn wrote (and sang): IfIhadarocketlauchersomesonofabitchwoulddie 129 130 696969696969696969 131 132 or a gun.... 133 134 008=Usr:13 voyeur 06/10/89 00:03 Msg:3957 Call:21703 Lines:4 135 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 136 Now that Trek 5 is behind me, my rankings are: 2 4 3 5 1. It looks like the 137 even-numbered ones win. I hope Shatner doesn't direct 6. 138 * * * * *N*O*T* * * * * * * * *T*E*D* * * * * * * * * *M*A*H*A*R* * * * * * * * 009=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 06/10/89 00:43 Msg:3958 Call:21705 Lines:80 139 140 141 {+}{+}{+}{+} 142 143 THE BWMS GUN DEBATE.......... 144 145 ______________________________/^\_ 146 / | 147 / _____________________________| 148 ( (____________________________________________ __ 149 \ | ____________ | / /*\\ 150 \______________________________| )____________) ||/______ 151 | )____________) | :::::::\ 152 |_ ____________ ___| \:::::::\ 153 \ )) / \::::::::\ 154 \_______/ \::::::::::\ 155 ....POST OR WE'LL SHOOT ! \::::::::::\ 156 \::::::::::\ 157 \::::::::::\ 158 ---------- 159 160 161 Hello Dear Friends; 162 163 Dis is Bobby McFerrin wit some timely summertime advise now dat 164 finals are over and de sun is warm and de livin' is sooooo easy. 165 Unscrew dat skull, mon, give dat brain a break, let dat grey 166 matter go limp. You owe it to yourself, mon. An' to help you wit 167 dat important phase in your intellectual development, here we 168 have for you some Timely Summertime Tips.............. 169 170 DRINK AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE 171 And keep an eye out for bargains. Hamms beer in cases of cans 172 will go on sale regularly in the $6 - $7 dollar range this 173 summer. Be frugal and tank up. 174 175 WATCH A LOT OF CABLE TELEVISION 176 * Start with TODAY on NBC. See Jane. See Jane wax prissy. See 177 Bryant. See Bryant wax egotistical. See Willard. See Willard 178 bumble bucolic. Very Good. 179 * Be sure to spend at least an hour a day with the HOME SHOPPING 180 NETWORK. As life tends to be short, go on ahead and order that 181 lovely ceramic figurine of The Tinman from The Wizard of Oz 182 (be sure to use someone else's VISA card, though) 183 * Don't forget the real estate get-rich-quick talkshow/really-long 184 -commercial presentations. Take notes. 185 * Check in with Morton Downey Jr. and Geraldo regularly (avoid 186 Donahue and Oprah, however....too stuffy) 187 * Don't forget THE WEATHER CHANNEL. Watch for off the cuff ad- 188 libs between the perky Weather Hosts. 189 * Alternate between game shows and soap operas on odd/even days. 190 * Pay special attention to commercials (especially the late 191 night, 90 second Record Treasury variety) 192 193 READ{ TRASH 194 Never mind the summer reading lists from your professors. 195 Subscribe immediately to THE WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, THE STAR and THE 196 GLOBE. Stick with supermarket paperbacks that have lush paintings of 197 busty women or the words As Told To on the cover. 198 199 PATRONIZE YOUR LOCAL CINEPLEX 200 See every summer release with a roman numeral in the title. 201 Avoid Cinema 21 and The Movie House. Eschew anything with subtitles 202 or good reviews. And demand extra petroleum on your popcorn. 203 204 205 Follow dese simple tips, mon, an you'll be ready for another 206 bashing when de school bell ring in de fall. No problem in de 207 great northwest in de hot summertime mon. Everythin' irie. 208 209 Love, 210 211 Bobby McFerrin 212 213 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+- 214 Don't Worry, Be Stupid 215 216 {+}{+}{+}{+} 217 218 010=Usr:277 Schizo 06/10/89 01:57 Msg:3959 Call:21711 Lines:3 219 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 220 Things like this tend to confuse me greatly. 221 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 011=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/10/89 12:10 Msg:3960 Call:21718 Lines:18 222 &*&*&*&*'s 223 Sound advice. STV was a dissapointment. It had its funny moments, but was 224 just to fantasyish for me to enjoy. 'Lets bop around the entire galaxy in 225 less then a day, blowing away any sort of consistent theory on what warp 226 drives are supposed to be capable of!' 227 228 Well, I'm looking for someplace to live. Anybody know of a good place? I can 229 afford around 300$ rent and utilities. Suggestions welcome. 230 231 Got a 68010,a hard drive controler and a 10meg hard drive at the cpm swaw 232 meet today. So far I`ve checked out the 68010 and the controler, and both 233 work. Now, with any luck the hard drive will as well. All I have to do 234 is figure out were to put it. 1 full height floppy and full height 235 hard drive (Which is what I have.) tend to fill up a pc's drive bays. 236 237 An Astral Dreamer 238 &*&*&*&*'s 239 012=Usr:33 Mike Stanfill 06/10/89 16:46 Msg:3961 Call:21727 Lines:12 240 241 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* 242 Seen on rec.arts.startrek today... 243 244 "I loved it! Much better than "Cats". I'm going to see it 245 again and again." 246 247 (for those who don't get this, don't worry) /#) 248 n n n (#/ 249 / ~~~ ~~~ \/ 250 /*/*/*/*/*/*/* -swob (a Self-Willed Orange Blancmange) /___/____\__\ 251 013=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 06/10/89 19:13 Msg:3962 Call:21732 Lines:16 252 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Saw the parade todayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy 253 254 H'lo people (and others), 255 Once again, it's that one special night of the week. Tonight is 256 the night of MONTIGUE ANACONDA'S LEVITATING BURLESQUE on channel 10. 257 258 "No-one Expects The Spanish Inquisition!!!" 259 260 261 Oh, BTW, welcome back Beaker. Also, whatever happened to General ZOD? It 262 seems to me that we're approaching the time of year when he was most 263 active. Perhaps he is trying to lull us into complacency with his absence. 264 265 Stay Alert! Trust No-one! Keep Your Laser Handy! 266 267 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | The route was too crowdeddddddddddddd 014=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 06/11/89 01:27 Msg:3963 Call:21738 Lines:11 268 269 {} 270 271 Automatic weapons? Try Isreal. MANDITORY by law, that every 272 household should carry Uzi's. At least, that's what a friend passed 273 on to me. Not quite sure if it is true - can anyone please deny this 274 anoying fact? 275 276 H. Celine 277 278 {] 015=Usr:70 Kurfur Redlig 06/11/89 09:31 Msg:3964 Call:21742 Lines:11 279 KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Mandatory uzis????????????????????????????? 280 281 I know that every able bodied Hebrew Isreali has to spend a certain amount 282 of time in the armed forces (this includes the women), but I don't think 283 that the home posession of Uzi's is mandatory. After all, the Isreali 284 government may be militant, but it's not stupid. If the rioting youth 285 in Isreal (palestinians) could get automatic weapons from any house 286 they robbed, do you think they'd be using just thrown bricks against the 287 occupying troops? 288 289 KKKKKKKKKKKKurfur Redlig | Rumors can get wierd sometimesssssssssssssssss 016=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 06/11/89 14:12 Msg:3965 Call:21745 Lines:21 290 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 291 This is General ZOD!!! 292 293 294 Just kidding. Heh heh! 295 --=-===========-=---------=-=========-=--------=-=========-=--------=-====== 296 Its realy me. (LB) 297 298 Hi Kurfur. How 'r yu. 299 300 Well. I wounder whats going to happen in China? I hope the people don't 301 give in just because of a few killings. I hope they find democrasy worth a 302 few killings. We'll see... 303 304 I would suggest to anyone thinking of putting there hand through a closed 305 window not to. It got me five stiches (3 on my thumb an two specials on my 306 fore-arm). 307 308 LB\__/ 309 oo 310 -=-{=------=-========-=------=-====-=-------=-========-=-------=-========-=- 017=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 06/11/89 17:36 Msg:3966 Call:21750 Lines:21 311 *%)_$#@*%_)#@%*_)#%*()_#(^%#$_+^)_@^*(#)_@^(*)_#(_+@(%_+@!)%_+#@%*(_#)$*^)_#$^* 312 313 Ah, the old Civil War defense. I suggest reading the beginning chapters of a 314 Civil War history book (or even the whole book). The causes of this conflict 315 are much more than one side wanting slaves and the other side not wanting 316 slaves. The causes are also a lot more complex than one group of states 317 saying "We don't like your rules so we quit!" I feel the Civil War 318 analogy fails becaue first of all, the origins of the split between the 319 states are not easily categorized. Secondly, I feel it is wrong to 320 compare mid 1800's and today in terms of gun ownership and use. In those 321 days, hunting was a primary source of food, unlike today, where Sir 322 Safeway does all the slaying. Thirdly, no one has answered my questions 323 about countries that have different governmental systems from the USA 324 and their accompanying gun laws. 325 326 *)(%_@)_%(#)_@*!^)_$#*^_)#*^!_)#^* L'homme sans Parity *%@_)%*_)#*%$@_)%*_)%#() 327 328 Oh, Astral Dreamer - avoid buying junk computer systems lest you fall into 329 the trap of the home-bound hacker and his or her support nightmare! 330 331 %*_)#@)_*%_)#$*%)_@%(*)_@%)@_(%)_#@(%)_@%()_@(%_)@!(%)_#(%@)_%#$^*&)_#^(*)_#%() 018=Usr:3 Ramek 06/11/89 19:34 Msg:3967 Call:21754 Lines:60 332 Well, now, for starters, I must disagree with several of your statements 333 re: the Civil War issue. Firstly, I am indeed familar with it, and if you 334 will note secondly, I said nothing of slavery that was in reality a minor 335 issue in the thing. Many of those in the North had slaves too. As I said, 336 there were conflicts between the concepts that the North and South had 337 about how things should be. I never brought the slave issue up, that was 338 just you reading into my message what you wanted to see. 339 You then shifted into stating that the Civil War was not an acceptable 340 analogy because the issues are not easily catgorized and that issues of 1800 341 don't apply today. I suppose I could say "well now, then we had best throw 342 out the constitution then since it is much older then that." But there is 343 more here then that. First, what analogy? Do you mean a direct comparion to 344 the problems in China? Hardly an analogy. There is no analogy to that issue. 345 The point I was making is that we too have suffered from the atrocities that 346 result when two factions are unable to settle their differences in a peacful 347 manner. That is the only analogy I was making. It was stated that it would 348 never happen in America. I was simply pointing out that it already has. 349 And as I also stated, the aspects of guns had little to do with it. 350 This is hardly the only incident where one group of people have violently 351 impressed their belief structure on another group, it is simply on of the 352 more blatant and apparent ones. Throughout our history we had treated 353 various groups with somthing less than "hello, nice day isn't it?" 354 We spent many years decimating the locals (what we call generically 'indians') 355 I'm sure that you'll say "but that's different. That was then this is now." 356 Nevertheless, the fact is that we as a nation decimated the indians and 357 took their home lands with little or nothing in return, killing them when 358 they objected to the treatment. Or how about the way the blacks have been 359 treated. Even today the government often turns a blind eye to them. 360 Then there was the Kent State thing that was brought up. That was pretty 361 close to what happened in China. Maybe not to the extent as in China, 362 but along the same lines. And howmany remember the Democratic national 363 convention in Chicago. While the demonstrators chanted "The whole world 364 is watching." Which it indeed was. The Chicago police went in swinging. 365 It was not a pretty sight, and Chicago has had a rather bad reputation 366 that lasts even today in that issue. 367 Then look at the streets of our own city, the drive-by shootings. Not much 368 different than back in the prohibition era that. But I gues it's not the 369 same because that was then and this is now. Ahh, such an easy cop out that 370 statement. 371 In regard to the issue of guns and other forms of government, I did respond 372 a bit there, but you might have missed that. The problem is that ANY issue 373 of the life styles of those in communist counties is diffuclt to deal with 374 because they generally keep to themselves and do not allow others to view 375 their country too closely. Good or Bad? I won't argue that, because I can 376 say that it is bad, but that is because my upbringing in the western culture 377 says that it is bad. Yet who am I to say that my culture is better? It is 378 hardly all that wonderful on many issues. Until I have lived a life fully 379 as integrated in the culture as my life in the American culture, I cannot 380 truthfully say that I can pass judgment on that culture. 381 I will make mention though that I did watch a very interesting documentary 382 on Ch 10 a couple of weeks ago covering... gun control. They delt with it 383 on a world scale, not just the American culture. The interesting thing they 384 made mention of is that contrary to popular belief, many Eastern block 385 countries do allow ownership of guns. While on the opposite side, there are 386 some Western block countries which have stricter gun controls than the eastern 387 block countries. It is not universal that Communism means you can't own a 388 gun. It is however a good generalization that eastern block countries tend 389 to have geater restrictions. It is just not valid to believe this to be 390 always the case. Each country has its own social structure to which it holds. 391 ================================ Ramek ====================================== 019=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/12/89 12:50 Msg:3968 Call:21772 Lines:88 392 TO: Bobby McFerrin...Thanks for the suggestions, I am. 393 TO: Thingfish...Great stuff. Leaves me speechless, almost. 394 395 696969696969 396 TOPIC - NECKTIE: 397 Chuck Bowden, author and free-lance writer, and Harry Schwartz, 398 former New York Times editorial writer, discuss their views. 399 400 BOWDEN: The necktie fetish has been more deadly to our nation's moral 401 sinews than all the rubber goods and leather-freak stuff ever dreamed up by 402 Larry Flynt. At least the people into heavy kink keep their notions behind 403 closed doors. Basically, neckties are a disease - like alcoholism, drug 404 addiction and the desire to run for public office - and should be treated 405 accordingly. 406 SCHWARTZ: Modern convention virtually requires males to wear sedate, dull 407 clothes, with forgettable colors and patterns. Only in his tie is a man 408 licensed to show his aesthetic sense, his love of colors and patterns, his 409 biological kinship to the peacock. The man who refuses to wear a tie is 410 voluntarily ceding to the female of our species a monopoly on bright colors 411 and interesting patterns. 412 413 MORAL MAJORITY DISAPPEARS:-6/12/89 414 The Moral Majority is being disbanded. The Rev. Jerry Falwell, who founded 415 the group in 1979, said it succeeded in getting Christians politically 416 involved. The group became a force in U.S. politics in the 1980s, helping 417 elect three GOP administrations, Falwell said. But Moral Majority lost clout 418 after the PTL and Jimmy Swaggart scandals undermined confidence in 419 televangelism. 420 421 ======we pause for a moment in respectful silence at the passing======== 422 423 OIL HALTS ALASKA FISHING:-6/12/89 424 Salmon fishing was suspended Friday near Cook Inlet, Alaska, after crude 425 oil was spotted on beaches near the town of Chenik and the McNeil River. 426 Seiners had expected to harvest 425,000 sockeye and 130,000 chum salmon this 427 summer. Only 7,000 sockeye and 50 chum were taken before Friday's closure. 428 429 BOOK SAYS BUY AMERICAN:-6/12/89 430 Buy U.S. goods. That's the message behind a new book "Made in the U.S.A." 431 out this November from National Press. This summer, members of the Made in the 432 U.S.A. Foundation comb the country to find out who makes everything from 433 Rockport shoes to NBA basketballs. The goal is to encourage consumers to 434 purchase U.S.-made goods. To order the $10 book, call (301) 657-1616. 435 436 UNOCAL DENIES CHARGES:-6/12/89 437 Unocal Corp. has denied that the company's polymers plant in La Mirada, 438 Calif., is one of the worst toxic polluters in the country, as has been 439 characterized in some news reports. Allegations of cancer risk to employees 440 and neighbors of the plant are not true, said Richard Stegemeier, Unocal 441 chairman. Risk data cited was not based on the plant's record, according to 442 the company. 443 key phrase here: "according to the company" 444 445 KEMP EYES HUD EMBEZZLERS:-6/12/89 446 Housing and Urban Development Secretary Jack Kemp is "very upset" by 447 accusations that private agents embezzled millions of dollars from the agency, 448 according to HUD lawyer Frank Keating on Sunday. He has ordered an immediate 449 probe, Keating said. The Washington Post reports losses could reach $10 450 million in HUD's Washington office. 451 452 HUD SUSPENDS FOUR PENDING AUDIT: 453 The head of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development's 454 Washington field office and three staff members have been relieved of their 455 duties pending the outcome of an audit by the HUD inspector general. Sources 456 say that while criminality might not be involved, there appears to be 457 carelessness and oversight that cost the government $10 million. 458 459 DENG WANTS DISSIDENT ARRESTED:-6/12/89 460 Chinese leader Deng Xiaopeng, continuing his purge of reformers, Sunday 461 ordered the arrest of a dissident hiding in the U.S. embassy. Warrants were 462 issued for Fang Lizhi and wife Li Shuxian. Chinese TV pushed the government's 463 view of the violence, showing crowds attacking soldiers, torching army tanks - 464 and prisoners signing confessions. 465 Ex-presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan spoke their views Sunday on 466 China's future. "The door that has been opened ... toward freedom and 467 democracy can't be completely closed," Carter said. "What we're seeing now is 468 what a lot of us have known for many years - that communism couldn't really be 469 a successful system," Reagan said on CBS' "Sunday Morning." 470 Teachers and students on the university campuses in Beijing vowed Sunday 471 to keep up their protests despite mass arrests. As campuses emptied for 472 summer, those who remained said the movement would revive in the next six 473 months to a year after troops leave Beijing. Students scoffed at government 474 news programs featuring the arrests of the purported leaders of pro-democracy 475 demonstrations. 476 477 Frank Zappa: "And they were so certain it couldn't happen here." 478 696969696969696969 479 020=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/12/89 19:53 Msg:3969 Call:21779 Lines:15 480 It is hard to truely understand the actions and motives of a people in 481 a land far away and steeped in a different culture. We cry out in support 482 for those that fight for "freedom" because that is our culture. How can 483 we truely understand a government and culture that builds itself on 484 economic reform, but then when greater steps towards social and plotical 485 freedom are demanded by a "disident" group, they are not just arrested and 486 thrown in jail as we would expect by our own society's rules, but rather 487 they are run over with tanks and killed. This by a government that achieved 488 it's very current position by decrying those very actions of the past 489 regeme. How can anyone understand such actions? 490 I do hope that they find a peaceful existance quickly, but I don't expect 491 it anytime soon. The younger generation has been exposed to a whole new 492 world, and as an old greek philosipher once said, "Once a mind has been 493 opened to new possibilities, it can never be closed." 494 ******************************* Mikey ********************************** 021=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 06/13/89 01:30 Msg:3970 Call:21787 Lines:21 495 496 497 {+}{+}{+}{+} 498 499 Don't think 500 If you think, don't write 501 If you write, don't publish 502 If you publish, don't sign 503 If you sign, be prepared to recant 504 505 This is a credo that Chinese students and intellectuals have 506 had to live by, and one of the things they're rebelling 507 against. Kind of makes freedom of speech seem more precious, 508 doesn't it ? 509 510 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+- 511 Easy To Beat Up, Hard To Kill 512 513 {+}{+}{+}{+} 514 515 022=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/13/89 08:55 Msg:3971 Call:21793 Lines:13 516 &*&*&*&*'s 517 518 Human beings are insecure. I think that all of us suffer from this little 519 fault. Some of us express this insecurity in positive and/or neutral ways, 520 while others are very destructive in the insecurity. 521 522 Just my thought for the day. 523 524 A pointing I will go, a pointing I will go... 525 526 An Astral Dreamer (Somtimes silent, but always present.) 527 &*&*&*&*'s 528 023=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/13/89 10:47 Msg:3972 Call:21795 Lines:100 529 696969696969 530 So You Thought You Got a Raise this Year??? 531 PAY HIKES WILL BE INVISIBLE:-6/13/89 532 Inflation might swallow salaried workers' 1989 pay hikes, says The 533 Conference Board in its annual pay survey released Monday. Salaried workers' 534 pay increases will average 5 percent this year and next, unchanged from 1987 535 and 1988. But in 1987 and 1988 inflation was only 4.4 percent. Economists say 536 they expect inflation to hit 5 percent this year, gobbling up the increase. 537 Companies are making up for smaller salary hikes by giving more lump-sum 538 incentives that don't lock companies into paying high salaries, says Charles 539 Peck, specialist at The Conference Board. The board polled 501 companies for 540 the survey. 541 INFLATION KEEPS PACE WITH PAY:-6/13/89 542 Inflation might swallow salaried workers' 1989 pay hikes, The Conference 543 Board says. The board, in its annual pay survey released Monday, says salaried 544 workers' pay increases will average 5 percent this year and next - unchanged 545 from 1987 and 1988. But in 1987 and 1988 inflation was only 4.4 percent; 546 economists expect inflation to hit 5 percent this year, gobbling up the entire 547 increase. 548 549 CONSUMER AGENCIES SET EXAMPLE:-6/13/89 550 The fifth annual Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon Awards were presented Monday in 551 Washington, D.C., to advertising agencies that allegedly promote misleading or 552 false advertising in print and television. The dubious distinction - sponsored 553 by the Center for Science in the Public Interest and the Consumer Federation 554 of America - is named for a 19th-century ad man who peddled cure-all tonics. 555 Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon Award winners include Mercedes-Benz of North 556 America Inc. for encouraging high-speed driving and Anheuser-Busch Inc. for 557 Spuds MacKenzie's Bud Light beer ads that encourage the young to drink. 558 Mercedes-Benz response: The ad doesn't intend to promote reckless driving. 559 Anheuser-Busch response: Its ads are produced for drinking-age audiences. 560 R.J. Reynolds Tobacco USA is a winner of the Harlan Page Hubbard Lemon 561 Award for Joe the cartoon Camel's ad that sends youth messages that its cool 562 to smoke. R.J. Reynolds response: the ads appeal to young men who already 563 smoke. Other "winners": Thompson Medical Co.for Dexatrim diet aids that deny 564 containing caffeine. Thompson's response: The active ingredient is not a 565 stimulant. 566 ....and "I am not a crook".... 567 568 OIL SPILL CAUSES LABOR PROBLEM:-6/13/89 569 Fish canneries, hotels, restaurants and nursing homes in Alaska are facing 570 severe labor shortages because many workers are getting more money - about 571 $1,800 a week - by helping to clean up the Exxon oil spill. The Valdez Chamber 572 of Commerce has asked Exxon to subsidize the wages paid by local businesses 573 and the company is considering helping, says spokesperson Henry Beathard. 574 575 BUSH PUSHES ALTERNATE FUELS:-6/13/89 576 President Bush's air-cleanup plans include strong programs to use alternative 577 fuels in cars. Many experts say it could do more harm than good. Bush wants to 578 require automakers to phase in cars that use alternate fuels. His goal: 579 500,000 vehicles operating in six years, 1 million produced annually after 1996 580 The alternative-fuel emphasis President Bush puts in his clean-air 581 campaign doesn't do much to abate global warming, and it neglects fuel 582 efficiency as the most powerful way to cut emissions, some say. "Looking at 583 alternative fuels as an alternative to efficiency is the worst thing you can 584 do," said Deborah Bleviss of the International Institute for Energy Efficiency. 585 The most important step that can be taken to deter air pollution and the 586 greenhouse effect is to improve mileage efficiency and beef up car 587 inspections, specialists say. That should give automakers time to develop 588 vehicles that run on sources such as hydrogen, electricity or solar power that 589 don't emit carbon dioxide. 590 Environmentalists fear President Bush's clean-air campaign emphasizing 591 alternative fuels will divert attention from more effective ways of reducing 592 toxic emissions from motor vehicles. Those produce half of nitrogen oxides and 593 one-third of hydrocarbons that produce smog, acid rain and ozone pollution, 594 experts say. 595 DEBATE - AIR USA TODAY'S OPINION: 596 President Bush offered a realistic plan Monday to breathe new life into 597 the nation's pace-setting Clean Air Act, smog-bound for a decade by White 598 House indifference, opposition from polluters and political hot air. The plan 599 doesn't answer environmentalists' dreams, but it does offer hope the 600 stagnation will end. 601 OTHER VIEWS: 602 BOB LONG, editor of Green Synthesis: There are no easy ways to secure 603 clean air. Strict enforcement of existing laws plus new legislation may slow 604 air-quality deterioration. At best, this is the most we can expect from 605 present governmental action. 606 PATRICK COX, political and economic analyst: Every new set of laws and 607 regulations promises profound solutions to difficult problems. Regrettably, 608 bureaucratic management has dubious record at best and often has quite clearly 609 worsened the very situations it has designed to solve. 610 SEN. MAX BAUCUS, D-Mont., sponsor of clean air bill: "The rhetoric is 611 good, but it's a bit vague in the urban smog provisions." 612 PRESIDENT BUSH: "Too many Americans continue to breathe dirty air, and 613 political paralysis has plagued further progress against air pollution ... 614 It's time to clear the air." 615 SEN. ROBERT BYRD, D-W.Va.: "The proposal, by leading to massive switching 616 from high-sulfur to low-sulfur coal, will serve as a disincentive to the use 617 of clean-coal technologies." 618 BROOKS B. YEAGER, Audubon Society: "We may quarrel with some of the 619 details, but it's certainly a major step forward." 620 EAST MEADOW, N.Y., Marie Parisi, 66, retired secretary: "I would love to 621 have clean air, but I'm tired of paying out so much money. Taxes are so high 622 in Nassau County, and when you're on a fixed income, you try to watch your 623 expenses. Something should be done about the trucks and buses that put all the 624 smoke in the air from their exhaust pipes." 625 WASHINGTON, D.C., Lance Elliott, 45, association executive: "No one wants 626 to pay more, but I would be willing to for this particular issue. Clean air is 627 a critical issue for the continued viability of society and the planet itself. 628 If you don't have a sense of conservation, clearly the quality of life and the 024=Usr:11 L'homme sans Par 06/13/89 17:09 Msg:3973 Call:21799 Lines:19 629 *%_)#@%*_)#@*%_)$#^*_)#(^)_^*)_#(*^%$@)_(%@#)_!(%)_$#%(*)_$#@^(*%^(#_)(@^_#)( 630 Remek: Thanks for responding so kindly to my message. You still haven't 631 answered my original question about communist or socialist countries and 632 gun laws. You also have taken a mocking position in responding to my messages. 633 634 A lesser person might say "screw you and the horse you rode in on." 635 636 I choose to respond to the issues. I have never taken sides on this, I have 637 purposely taken the position of a devil's advocate, trying to stir up a 638 conversation. You sir, are the only one to respond, and in a tone that I 639 don't much care for. 640 641 I tried to get something going, but instead I have words put in my mouth (see 642 your last message for several examples of that). 643 644 I don't need it. 645 646 *%@#)_%_@)#(%)_#@(%_)#@(%!@_)% L'homme sans Parity %*@#_%_)@#(%@_)#%(@)_#%#_)%@ 647 025=Usr:3 Ramek 06/13/89 23:00 Msg:3974 Call:21802 Lines:29 648 A "mocking" position? I suppose you could look at it that way. You simply 649 dismissed the arguments out of hand by taking them out of context and putting 650 words in my mouth, so I thought I'd reply in kind. You chose the debate and 651 the weapons, I'm just using them. 652 In regard to your point about my not answering your question about guns and 653 socialist countries. I'm not sure specifically what you are refering to here. 654 Do you mean you original question about How many socialist/communist countries 655 have gun laws similar to the US? As I mentioned in my last three messages and 656 I will do so again, my knowledge of such things is limited because the 657 information is not generally available. It is just plain hard to get that sort 658 of information. Much of what I know is gleaned from what I read in magazines, 659 papers, and see in documentaries on TV. Not the best source for information, 660 but short of being there and living in the countries there is little that 661 can be done to improve the information flow. 662 In specific answer (assuming that the afore mentioned question is the one 663 you are expressing interest in), I have to say that I don't know specifically 664 how many socialistic countries have laws similar to the US. I can say what 665 I have deduced based on what I have seen and read, which is probably none by 666 the definition that most people would use. But then that would be true of 667 western countries too. The US is rather unyaue in that respect. Most countries 668 consider our ideas about guns to verge on lunacy. 669 Bases on the documentary that I previously mentioned, there is one soviet 670 block country which goes so far as to allow ownership of not just rifles, but 671 also hand guns. This is because it is a tradition within the country that 672 apparently was very important to the people. And no, I don't remember the 673 name of the country, I simply watched the documentary because it was 674 interesting, I didn't take notes. Gee, I didn't know there was going to 675 be a pop quiz! ;-) 676 ===== Ramek ===== It's hard to be a jerk when no one takes you seriously ===== 026=Usr:465 Gregg Harris 06/14/89 22:15 Msg:3975 Call:21815 Lines:4 677 )((*&)((**&)((**)(*&)((**&)(*&)((**&)*(*&)(**&)**&)((*& 678 lurk 679 )(*&)((**& )(*&)(*&)(*&)(*&)(**&)((*&)(*&)((*&)((*&)((& 680 027=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/14/89 23:03 Msg:3976 Call:21816 Lines:11 681 &*&*&*&*'s 682 Anybody know what ancient 10 meg hard0drive controlers support in the way of 683 hard drives? I just can't seem to get this stupid drive I bought to work with 684 this controler. The hard drive is a microscience international 10 meg half 685 height. 686 687 All help will be greatly appreciated. 688 689 An Astral Dreamer 690 &*&*&*&*'s 691 028=Usr:498 Hagbard Celine , 06/14/89 23:55 Msg:3977 Call:21817 Lines:44 692 {} 693 694 AD, if you don't mind long drives or bus rides, check out the Beaverton 695 area for apardments. I admit, you will be a little hard pressed to keep 696 the rent and utilities down to $300, but most of the apartments here 697 are usually taken care of, unlike other cities. 698 699 As for the hard drive & controller, well, what EXACTLY do you have? 700 Is it SCSI MFM? Or RLL? Will the drive accept Seagate stuff? 701 I really can't help you that much, but I hope I could point you 702 into the right direction. 703 704 And finally, as for the argument between L'H-S-P & his(?) adversaby, 705 why can't you just take the third side of the coin? Do you know how 706 irritating it is you hear "there are only TWO sides" when "I SEE THREE"? 707 For every situation, there will be THREE choices, not TWO. Try sitting 708 on both of your rumps & contemplating this before standing up again. 709 What is happening in China? Anarchy at its best. Civil War at worst. 710 But that's not important. The government there is not important. The 711 "Student Groups" there are not important. THE PEOPLE THERE ARE 712 THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. Many people have been killed (as in 713 they cease to be), and I think many more will be killed. What the 714 world will see (and nothing else) is a struggle for power. Shut 715 out the editorials that you see on television, ignore the snide comments 716 you may read in the paper or magazine, and read between the lines. 717 People are dying. And all because people choose to believe in 718 a concept that has been far outdated: GOVERNMENT. The people of 719 the world will never understand why governments don't work, simply 720 because they take governments for granted. For a moment I had great 721 hope for China as the troops and the students simply stood and 722 stared at each other. It was the best outcome possible; no 723 violence, no bloodshed, no deaths, but still the Chinese government 724 remained, and still the students protested. Had the goverment had 725 the balls to negotiate with the students (the wiser choice), things 726 might not be as bad as they are now. But someone in Power decided that 727 they did not want to loose their priviledges. And you know 728 how I feel about priviledges (look up the root words for what I mean). 729 Why can't we simply do something a little more constructive that 730 would please everyone - as in reaching a common verdict about 731 the "Real Poop" in China? 732 733 A Cynical Hagbard Celine, abused by the System but still fighting. 734 735 {} 029=Usr:277 Schizo 06/15/8) 01*21 Msg:3978 Call:21821 Lines:39 736 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 737 738 Entangled in their beloved Saran Rap, both lovers die 739 of pnumonia. 740 741 As time passes so does petrolium. 742 743 Work not in the labor camps but at McDonald's. 744 745 Wait for a rainy day and play golf. 746 747 He who chews bark off of termite infested trees is bound to 748 get a bad cold. 749 750 Oh no, it's Friday. 751 752 Sleep well my children for tomorrow you'll have to do it again. 753 754 Contestants are advised not to endulge pre-cambrian fantacies. 755 756 Time drifts through the fingers of a lonely insurance salesman. 757 758 Drink the doctor, chew the nurse and spit out the patient. 759 760 Hello, I'm starving! 761 762 Alaska isn't a problem, it's miller time. 763 764 Driven to complete infatuation, the mutant teen commits adultry. 765 766 Just say "No Rope today thanks." 767 768 Oh, if only I could fly like a Giraffe! 769 7700It's not how much you eat, but how well you eat it. 771 772 Music is the root of all evil - fortunately it costs money now. 773 774 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 030=Usr:286 Jeff Marten 06/15/89 05:17 Msg:3979 Call:21824 Lines:26 775 776 777 {+}{+}{+}{+} 778 779 -+|[ AN EXISTENTIAL QUIZ ]|+- 780 781 YOU'VE JUST REALIZED THAT LIFE IS UNFAIR. 782 783 DO YOU..... 784 785 A) Endlessly struggle to make life more equitable for all of 786 mankind ? 787 788 B) Endlessly struggle to gain more power so that life's 789 unfairness works for YOU ? 790 791 C) Watch stock car races on ESPN, drink beer, and don't 792 sweat it. 793 794 795 -+|[ ThingFish ]|+- 796 Choose Carefully, And Godspeed 797 798 {+}{+}{+}{+} 799 800 031=Usr:277 Schizo 06/15/89 12:02 Msg:3980 Call:21828 Lines:41 801 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 802 For vacation this year I think I'll take the slow boat 803 to China. I hear they're having lovely weather this time of year. 804 805 Milk bone dog bisquits - they plump when you cook 'em. 806 807 White man's burden Lloyd, white man's burden. 808 809 Everybody is waiting for you to die. 810 811 Each owns his own, but I ain't got nothin. 812 813 You spend too much time on the computer, try snake fishing, 814 it's a great escape. 815 816 My bloody crotch reeks of new cars. 817 818 Your birthday comes six months early this year! 819 820 It is recommended that reading commence no sooner than 821 twenty-two hundred hours. 822 823 It seems we have a clemidian amongst us! 824 825 Three sides make a triangle while four sides tend to confuse me. 826 827 The sum of the parts is greater than something. 828 Waxing and Waning, the moon is a fool! 829 830 You are only a heartbeat away from the nearest commercial. 831 832 The joys of hupperglonking are hard to describe. 833 834 Way too long time age of the disk space is limitless. 835 836 I hate beans now come home Ronnie. 837 838 And many, many more... 839 !!! @!@! !!!! !! @@!! @@@ 840 841 032=Usr:84 Michael Miller j 06/15/89 13:29 Msg:3981 Call:21829 Lines:12 842 &*&*&*&*'s 843 Hagbard, I'm not sure what it is. Other then the manufactorer there is no 844 thing that shows what model number it is etc. And since I got it at the 845 CPM computerfest there was no documentation. 846 847 I really have to start looking for housing soon, probably tommorow. (Right 848 after I see GB II. (I know, but it's only the 4th movie I've been to in the 849 last 10 years.) 850 851 An Astral Dreamer 852 &*&*&*&*'s 853 033=Usr:483 Lord Beaker 06/15/89 14:56 Msg:3982 Call:21831 Lines:14 854 -=-======-=--------=-=====-=-=-------=-=========-=--------=-========-=------ 855 Hgbrd, I agree compleeetly (Your governmental (or lack of same) insights). 856 857 Thing Fish, I'd probably try A first then go to B and probably end up on C. 858 859 Hey is it just me or was Rosebud (I'm talking 'Bloom County' here.) or was 860 she? not a he? inn the beginninng. Did I missss a few weekss or what? 861 862 L.B.\__/ 863 oo 7"abernacky 864 c.b. 865 866 Donut holes are not realy anti-matter. 867 --{=-=-------==--=------=-=========-=------=-=======-=-----------=-=======-= 034=Usr:325 Night Watchman 06/15/89 16:09 Msg:3983 Call:21836 Lines:22 868 *:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:* 869 870 Dear Lord! I vacate the board for a mere 125 days and nearly every user 871 on at that time has been replaced? I know we're in the Age of Change, but 872 really! Can't anything be said for consistency?? 873 874 No time (or, it seems, space) for the mindless pbattle that would normally 875 serve as the border for any meaningful message from me, so I'll make it rather 876 quick. Mike, where did everyone vanish to? Did the Inn sink into another one 877 of those parallel dimensions again, as it had a habit of doing when round 878 robin stories were all the rage on the bulletin boards? Or did the Old 879 Galactics (with apologies to the late, somewhat lamented Themnax) tire of 880 their games and decide to look in other directions fob0theyr 881 quote of entertainment? 882 883 Astral Dreamer: GB II? Cme now! Of course, being a Night Watchman, I'm 884 somewhat prejudiced, but I tthought that everyone was waiting for BATMAN!! 885 886 Security Cllear... 887 System Shutdown. 888 :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*: Night Watchman :*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:*:* 889 done 035=Usr:4 Milchar 06/15/89 18:13 Msg:3984 Call:21839 Lines:6 890 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 891 Night watchman: We're waiting for THAT one too. :-) 892 A long period of lurking, with no end in sight save for this brief 893 interlude in which my few thoughts spill into electronic form which 894 you now see before you... 895 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milch +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 036=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/15/89 21:14 Msg:3985 Call:21842 Lines:9 896 Where did everyone go? They went that-a-way! Err.. no, they went that-a-way. 897 Errr...ahh.... 898 The thing about BWMS is that it is just like the Inn of old, a stopping 899 place on the road of life. Most people stop in for a short rest, and then 900 continue on their way with the rest of their life. Only a very few stick 901 around, and even they move on from bordom after a time. BW has gone through 902 about four major change overs in it's life along with the constant flow of 903 transients. 904 ***************************** CM **************************************** 037=Usr:219 Friar Mossback 06/15/89 21:44 Msg:3986 Call:21843 Lines:66 905 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 906 CM- 907 I remember when I first came on the board. We had some rousing debates 908 about everything. I had DJJ and a couple of others, and we had the 909 arch conservatives versus the liberals. Those were fun days in my mind, 910 were they for you? 911 And we also had 629 lines of 132 characters each. (I was using a VT100) 912 And 1200 baud was fast... 913 And the first major shift I remember was when Pam wrote her description 914 of the Inn. I was at Dendrite, so it must have been in late 84. Then we 915 went adventuring, and Friar came about. He has been with me through thick 916 and thin ever since. Even for debates. 917 I have changed a lot in the past six or so years, but haven't we all. 918 Of the one's not here now, I miss Pam and Piper the most. I saved a disk 919 of Atari software for almost four years for Pam, but I never found a way 920 to get it to her. And Piper was always one of the key drivers of the 921 adventures, at least until the Bolos. 922 Of the people I still hear of, Milchar, L'Homme and Mohammed Wassir are 923 the longest lived, excepting of course, you and I, and Milch may predate 924 me. I never got the archives. I suppose I should, and read them all 925 again. 926 Ah, but I ramble. Forgive an old soul his rambling. 927 A new era, a new time happens for all of us. For myself, A new thread of 928 time started when I first heard our daughter's heartbeat. Time stopped, 929 jumped to one side, and started on a different track. There is no backing 930 up over the switch. We are on a totally separate track now. 931 Think back, over your life. Has it always been gradual change? Or is it 932 more a series of sameness punctuated by flashes of transformation? Was 933 there a particular year or month or day or instant when the whole of 934 existence seemed so alive and intense that you were not certain if you 935 could stand0the intensity? I have had periods of years where my feelings 936 about the world and myself did not change dramatically, even in comparison 937 with hindsight. And then WHAM! Reality throws me a medicine ball. And 938 life and existance changes, never able to go back to the comfort of things 939 known. 940 Perhaps BW is like that. We had been debating, arguing, fighting. Venting 941 rhetoric and diatribes. Then POW! In comes a sweet innocence that stuns 942 us, instantly. 943 Oh sure, we grope and argue for a while more, because that is what we 944 have found comfort in knowing in the past. But inexoribly, the future drags 945 us to its breast, feeding us what we need to become changed people, a 946 new kind of BBSer. 947 And the process happened another time, when BWMS became BWMS II. And the 948 changes were more dramatic. It seemed that a lot of the old guard just 949 vanished. We had General Zod, after a time. We had some wonderful new 950 people, like Hagbard, Astral Dreamer, etc. And a few of the old timers, 951 Milchar showing up, myself lurking mostly, CM lurking mostly. 952 (CM always lurked mostly) 953 Things change and grow. The Earthly existance we have chosen to create is 954 as perfect as we want it to be. (K.A. Notwithstanding.) And I am glad to 955 have numbered you and the people here among my friends and companions. 956 A few ramblings, I know, but I just felt like laying out a bit of my 957 perceptions of reality and BBSing, and thank you all for being a part of it. 958 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 959 On another subject, 960 Mikey, you once said that you had a limit for how much you were willing 961 to pay Ma Bell each month, mentioning that first you would drop call waiting 962 three-way calling, touch tone, etc from your voice line, then go to 963 measured service on the BBS line, etc. And finally shutting down BWMS 964 to keep under a certain ceiling. 965 How close are we to that ceiling? Was there a remodel job on the 966 living room to raise the ceiling? Are we all hunched over hitting our heads 967 on the ceiling? ARE WE IN DANGER???? 968 We can help, you know, without incurring the wrath of the "Business Line" 969 gods at USW. Ve haf ways uff making dem talk! 970 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] F. [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 038=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/16/89 12:49 Msg:3987 Call:21858 Lines:9 971 696969696969 972 Erner aborted by user.\ 973 CONGRESS TACKLES KIDS AND GUNS:-6/15/89 974 The Center to Prevent Handgun Violence says a child dies every day in the 975 United States in an accidental shooting. Another 10 under age 18 are injured 976 daily. The figures have prompted U.S. House subcommittee hearings Thursday on 977 guns and kids. The issue takes on urgency now as the country enters summer, 978 when more than one-third of accidental handgun shootings involving children 979 occur. 039=Usr:287 Ralph Steadman 06/16/89 12:53 Msg:398( Call:21859 Lines:14 980 ====PLEASE NOTE: ONE-THIRD, that's ONE-THIRD of accidental Handgun 981 shootings involve CHILDREN...that's CHILDREN=== 982 TOPIC - LIBERTY: 983 Jesse Hill Ford, novelist, screenwriter and free-lance writer, and George 984 Thompson, weekly columnist for FLORIDA TODAY, discuss their views. 985 FORD: I get dog-tired of the complaints about gun lovers. Guns made us 986 free and guns will keep us free. I believe every youth should be taught 987 marksmanshyp a~d gun safety. Nothing would please me more than the sure 988 knowledge that every citizen capable of using a rifle owned one and kept it at 989 home with an ample supply of ammunition. And the same goes for a handgun and a 990 shotgun. 991 THOMPSON: Try telling the importance of guns to a bespectacled Indian 992 named Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi. It was he - wearing sandals and wrapped in a 993 white robe and the universal protection of the righteous - who also confronted 040=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 06/16/89 19:17 Msg:3989 Call:21863 Lines:6 994 ======================================================================== 995 Friar: no, no imenant danger. The key level is the relationship between 996 my power bill and the phone bill. When the phone bill average exceeds 997 the power bill average, that is when I do something to correct the 998 problem. There is currently a $10 margin on the "safe" side. 999 ****** CM ******* do you remember when Pam would fill the disk *********