NUMBER OF LINES: 999 001=Usr:0 Null User 06/30/87 20:34 Msg:0 Call:0 Lines:19 1$If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2$************************* INSTALLED: 22 SEP 87 **************************** 3$Welcome to BWMS II (BackWater Message System II) Mike Day System operator 4$************************************************************************** 5$GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS II IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6$ PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7$BWMS II was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS II is a privately 8$owned and operated system which is currently open for use by the general 9$public. No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the 10$system is privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all 11$messages which I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the 12$system, it will be periodically purged of messages (only 999 lines of data 13$can be saved). To leave a message, type 'ENTER'. Use ctrl/C to get out 14$the ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering 15$the message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to 16$replace the line. To exit from the system, type 'BYE' then hang up. 17$Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18$************************************************************************** 19$ 002=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/22/87 21:32 Msg:591 Call:3934 Lines:4 20 Abstention from any aleatory undertakings precludes a potential 21 escalation of a lucrative nature. 22 ***************************************************************** 23 003=Usr:159 09/23/87 11:24 Msg:592 Call:3941 Lines:18 24 One line away from making it to the top! Rats! It's been a long time 25 since I was last here. I see that the format has changed to a password 26 only format. It's a shame, since Portland can no longer boast about 27 having a 'free' system anymore. I guess that greatness attracts pricks, 28 like honey attracts flies, and a BBS must protect itself from those 29 who get no pleasure out of creating, only of destroying. 30 I can se a few hopeless romantics, a magic user or two, some poetry 31 and spies. But where is Spell Check? Everyone used to love him(or her) 32 Also obviously gone is the person who apparently could only type blanks 33 and carriage returns. 34 Mikey, I am mad. I think that I am one of the few people who can generate 35 a 'BREAK' anymore, and your new system won't accept them. The old one could, 36 and I did use that key. After all, a 'BREAK' is legitimate ASCII, even if 37 slightly obselete. The entire RS232 standard is hoary and ancient, and I'm 38 sure that you use that, so that couldn't be the objection. Couldn't you see 39 your way to please programming break in, just for little old me? 40 Well, I got to go to class now, so BYE 41 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++OLD 000001TED+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 004=Usr:67  09/23/87 21:05 Msg:593 Call:3948 Lines:6 42 &)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&)&) 43 TED: I know how you feel. I was there about a month ago. All the old 44 names were gone. The old stories have advaced too far for my comprehension. 45 But I adjusted. Have fun sometimes time and change can be very benificial. 46 ................ 47 005=Usr:7 Leonard Erickson 09/23/87 23:52 Msg:594 Call:3952 Lines:5 48 Ted, you *were* the top! The stuff above you is how a certain unnamed person 49 "breaks in" a new disk (and I am not referring to the first 19 lines!). 50 By the way, since when is BREAK (aka .25 sec of space [ or was that mark]) 51 in ASCII? what's the Hex code? 52 ____________________________________Leonard____________________________________ 006=Usr:159 09/24/87 18:35 Msg:595 Call:3971 Lines:36 53 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 54 Ahah! I knew I'd catch someone on that 'break' statement. Notice, in my last 55 message that I did not say 'ASCII character', only 'legitimate ASCII' opinions 56 vary on the definition of ASCII, 'ESCAPE' is another misunderstood key that is 57 often not recognized by software, but 'break' was used on almost all early 58 terminals and mainframes, and was associated with ASCII. I know full well that 59 'BREAK' is a hardware type communication that needs a modem that is smart 60 enough to recognize it, but I had hoped that Mikey was still using the same 61 modem. Anyway, ASCII is not a bunch of hex characters, it is a STANDARD, not a 62 LANGUAGE. Just hope that someday you are not required to take a test on the 63 ORIGINAL standard RS232. ANYWAY, since I was LATE, I'll do the traditional 64 MADE IT TO THE TOP, right here. 65 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++00001TED++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 66 Ages after the formation of the planets and their sun, the surface of the 67 third planet cooled to rock and the last stab from gigantic planetary storms 68 created the ocans. Ages after the oceans ceased boiling and the first halting 69 attempts of life met with sucess, came the inevitable formation of the Ice. 70 At first, restrained by the continuing heat and orbital nearness of the planet 71 to it's sun, the Ice kept to the rotational poles of the planet. As orbital 72 fluctuations continued throughout history the Ice advanced and retreated, 73 wreaking havoc on the green planetary life and primitive animals. As always, 74 the Ice lost, falling back to it's strongholds on the poles. Then, as the life 75 of the planet and it's systems advanced, passing celestial bodies ripped the 76 planet from it's once stable orbit. The orbit became elongated and as life 77 disappeared the Ice alternatly won and lost, every year holding a power hungry 78 grip on the planet and then disappearing altogether. The aged and dying sun, 79 almost completly used up, with it's last flash expanded, completly destroying 80 the first planet and engulfing the third planet in it's outer corona. The Ice, 81 once dominant as a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen, broke into it's components 82 as the planet's surface melted into rock. Ages passed, and as the sun 83 retreated to a cold white sphere the Ice reached it's final stage of victory. 84 The remaning gases that the third planet had managed to grab gradually froze, 85 blanketing the surface in a cold white covering. The only movement came from 86 the occasional meteor smashing into the surface that had seen the final victory 87 of the Ice. 88 007=Usr:94 09/25/87 01:49 Msg:596 Call:3980 Lines:16 89 <------- ___ & / \ __ ___, - | o \' & |o ,' \__ _/ ai 90 91 92 Send me some mail sometime! I'll write back!!! 93 94 <------- ____ 95 &&& / \ __ _____, 96 `-- | o \ ` &&/ 97 `| | o },-' 98 \____( )__/ David Bleckmann 99 ,' \' \ UUCP: {tektronix,hp-pcd}!orstcs!jacobs!bleckmd 100 /~~~~~~|. | .}~~~\ Internet/CSNet: bleckmd@jacobs.cs.orst.edu 101 ,-----( . | .}--. US Mail: 411 SW 9th 102 | . /\___/ Corvallis, OR 97333 103 `----^,\ \ 104 \_ | ACK! 008=Usr:4 Milchar 09/25/87 23:12 Msg:598 Call:4006 Lines:46 105 @##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@# 106 Irindall had plans for himself. 107 His plans didn't include being stranded on a backwater planet like 108 Aerth, but then Irin's plans hardly ever came to anything. 109 Unlike the wealthy Yggin passing by him on the street, Irindall was a 110 "mutie." Because of this small fact, he was a slender, blue humanoid 111 with special glands in his extremities. He could secrete a sticky 112 substance that allowed him to cling to walls and scale the steepest 113 inclines. This talent proved itself to be exceedingly useful in his 114 current employment, the theft of whatever he could get away with. He 115 made the Yggin pay for their ridicule of him, the way that their eyes held 116 an amused contempt of him and his kind. Irin often became angry at this, 117 and upon occasion damaged one of his tormentors. 118 But not now. Not tonight. Irin had other plans. 119 Irindall slipped past the workers returning home in the fading sunlight, 120 unseen in the increasing gloom. He was entering the fringe of Tchyr that 121 was near the 'port itself. He sought the new place he had heard about. A 122 new Gate had brought another race, and one of them opened an establishment. 123 There were rumors. Irin wanted to find if there was any truth behind them. 124 Making his way through the streets, Irin came upon a building of a type 125 he had never seen before. It was comprised of a brown, rough, strange 126 nonmetallic substance. He touched a wall. A bit of the stuff came off in 127 his hand, revealing another smooth surface underneath. He smelled it. It 128 reminded him of a plant. 129 Festive sounds floated through the open door. Irin drifted into the 130 odd building, enchanted by the promise of relaxation. A voice near his ear 131 disrupted Irin's thoughts. 132 "Irindall Tanarihun? I have a proposition for you. Talents such as 133 yours should not go unused." 134 Irin spun about, seeking the voice. He found that it belonged to a 135 short, dark haired Yggin that held some respect in his eyes, not the 136 ridicule. Irin was so startled by this that he allowed his curiosity to 137 overcome his caution, and followed the Yggin to a booth in a darker section 138 of the building. 139 The Yggin wasted no time. "I am assembling a team of beings to explore 140 the Sclanbu Zone. I would like to employ you, despite your dislike for 141 humans who are what you call 'Yggin.' Some of the members of the team may 142 be 'pure humans,' and I don't want that affecting performance." 143 Irin finally understood. The human was mutie, after all. A telepath. 144 "You would be paid thirty thousand credits, plus a bonus for recovered 145 artifacts. We will depart when I finish recuiting, in a few days time. 146 Have you questions?" 147 Irin knew it was a rhetorical question. "No. I accept. You will find 148 me when the time comes?" 149 "Yes. Excuse me. I go to find other candidates." 150 @##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@# 009=Usr:67  09/26/87 06:16 Msg:599 Call:4010 Lines:10 151 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 152 leonard- i am the one that entered the text and it was because of you 153 that i could not logg back on to finish that message. i was unfortunatley 154 broken in by a call waiting that . i did not like the tone of your 155 message (pardon the phrasiology). i have as much right here as you do since 156 i still after months of being back have retained my access. i do not like 157 being brushed off like somesort of underling that does not know what he is 158 doing with the system(hence in my age a DWID).please disregard but dont 159 disregard get the message? 160 |||||||||||||||||||||||||YES FROM THE GRAVE (KING SILICON)||||||||||||||||| 010=Usr:67  09/26/87 10:54 Msg:600 Call:4011 Lines:1 161 011=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 09/26/87 14:55 Msg:601 Call:4015 Lines:11 162 Before you get too hot and bothered, I suggest you reread Leonards message. 163 he was not referring to your message, but the 'one before TED's'. Yours 164 was 'after' TED's message. Further, The entire message was commenting 165 about the first message on the disk. The first message was TED's as 166 Leonard stated, indicating that the message immediately prior to his 167 message with the obscur quotation is not considered to be a 'real' top 168 of disk message since it is always there, and has been for a year now. 169 Unless you claim to be the person entering the quotation, he was not 170 talking about you. And since I am the person who enters said quotations, 171 he was talking about me. 172 *********************************************************************** 012=Usr:164 up. @@@@@@@@@@P 09/26/87 15:06 Msg:602 Call:4016 Lines:10 173 AIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIARAIRAIRIAIRAIRAIRAIRAIR 174 175 ##### 176 # # Mutate Now, 177 # # # 178 # # # # Avoid the rush. 179 # ### # 180 # # 181 ##### A.I.R. 182 AIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIR Arthur Ernest Wright AIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIRAIR 013=Usr:4 Milchar 09/26/87 15:25 Msg:604 Call:4017 Lines:8 183 Advertisement found in Seper 26 issue of the "Tchyr Talker:" 184 ^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^ 185 WANTED: Explorers willing to join expedition to another Zone. Must 186 be in good health. Experience or special talents preferred. Payment for 187 services to be no less than 30,000 credits plus salvage bonus per person. 188 Contact Jorg Niboh at tri-vid 67041-28539. 189 ^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^&^ 190 014=Usr:164 up. @@@@@@@@@@P 09/26/87 19:45 Msg:605 Call:4023 Lines:1 191 I shall not contribute again until I see more contributions. WRITE A.I.R. 015=Usr:3 Ramek 09/26/87 20:50 Msg:606 Call:4030 Lines:62 192 ################################################################# 193 Consciousness came slowly... much too slowly... 194 The rest-time must have been very long this time around. I don't 195 remember it ever taking this long before. The past was largely 196 still a blur. Too much time had passed. Perhaps many of the 197 memories would never return. When the time was so long that 198 sometimes happened. 199 I wasn't even sure how long I had been taking to regain my 200 self identity. My thoughts were fragmented as if they had been 201 scattered across a thousand million minds. 202 I cannot die. I can however become dormant when I do not 203 have a living body and mind to provide as a focus for my being. 204 In times of non-existance I can be scattered across many lives. 205 In the teaming millions of one-celled life-forms. Or failing any 206 life at all, I become dormant, taking refuge in the cosmic dust. 207 But, when I do not have a body, when I do not have a mind, I 208 cannoot think. I do not live. In a way I don't even exist. I am 209 but an image of my life force imbedded in the very fabric of 210 space and time. 211 Once before I had spent a long and slow time waiting for 212 life to evolve into a form that would allow me to think and see 213 and feel. I waited dormant in the gasses. I waited asleep in the 214 rock. I waited alone in the bodies of a billion bacteria. 215 In time there came plants then fish and higher forms, until 216 after much time came those who could think. Those who could see 217 and feel. I became alive again. 218 That was a long time, I still remember little of what went 219 before, I do remember the explosion that snuffed out the body I 220 had inhabited, and the whole galaxy that had existed. It had been 221 destroyed in a cosmic upheaval of unknown proportions. How long I 222 had been dormant I don't know, but when I was able to think and 223 see again life had changed, the universe had changed. Things were 224 different. 225 This time though it was worse. I,m not sure what happened, 226 but everything is different. The rules are no longer the same. 227 This is a new world, a new universe. This body different than any 228 I have known before. I see differently, I hear differently. 229 Things I did before I can no longer do I can remember what to do 230 to cause it to happen, but when I try nothing happenes. 231 But there are hints of new powers I never even dreamed of 232 before. There seems to be a great warping of the fabric of space 233 here. Where before it was just a curiosity, now it is a common 234 thing. It touches on life in many areas. And these other 235 powers.... the power of the mind... magic they call it. Things 236 that took me great effort and energy to do in a very small way. 237 Now I find there are those who can channel outside energy to do 238 much more. 239 There is much I have to learn. Things are different now. The 240 technology is not new. I have seen that come and go. I use it 241 when it suits my needs such as now. In this body I inhabit. I 242 must encase it in a shell of metal and glass to protect it from 243 the harsh enviornment of the space between worlds. It is so 244 fragile. And yet with it I am able to do things I was never able 245 to even dream about before. 246 Whatever happened it was a great change. The stagnent past 247 was swept aside. A universe created to fill the void. I don't 248 know if I will remember much of the past, so much time has gone 249 by. So much life passed in a scatered form. But this new 250 existance appears to have even more to offer, a possiblity for 251 greater achievments. New goals to set, new mountains to scale. 252 When you live forever it is change that you seek the most. 253 ########################### Ramek ############################ 016=Usr:11 Z[\ 09/27/87 09:37 Msg:607 Call:4038 Lines:3 254 *%(#$*%@*%)@_*%)_@#%+@_#%(+#@$*#)$*%)_#*%@+%#%*)@%*@)_+%*@%@)_^%#$@^*)@*^_)@# 255 Aha, now we know who has been leaving those messages at the top! 256 *%()#_%*@#)_$%*@)_#%*+@_(|_%*(_)@* L'homme sans Parity *%@#)_*%@)_*!_)$*!~_)$ 017=Usr:166 **************** 09/27/87 10:18 Msg:608 Call:4041 Lines:10 257 Well, here I am for what is worth. I am glad to see that this system has gone t 258 to a password only system. However I fail to see how this is going to prevent 259 twits from trying to screw up the system. With the ease that I got a password, 260 it would only be too easy to fill up 261 the board with returns and "We be dumpin. like the bad old days. Whatever happe 262 263 happened to those twits anyway? 264 sa 265 c 266 off 018=Usr:4 Milchar 09/27/87 17:30 Msg:609 Call:4047 Lines:6 267 #@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@# 268 To: Greater Milky Way Transport, Inc; RTCODE UKS387BBJP. 269 Having trouble recruiting stop fear rumors of zone drive away potentials stop 270 request further support from company to attract explorers stop awaiting 271 orders stop 272 #@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@##@# 019=Usr:159 09/27/87 18:42 Msg:610 Call:4049 Lines:6 273 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 274 From: Greater Milky Way Transport, Inc; Code, ALL ALLOWED,UNLIMITED CREDIT 275 Continue recruiting efforts ignore time pressure stop request for support 276 will be met by leave date stop INNISCORP considering honoring request stop 277 further communication in 24 hours stop 278 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 020=Usr:11 Z[\ 09/28/87 11:18 Msg:611 Call:4063 Lines:2 279 What happened to the twits? I guess this 'easy' password system is just too 280 much for them. Maybe it wasn't such a bad idea after all. Something to ponder. 021=Usr:143 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 09/28/87 13:06 Msg:612 Call:4065 Lines:46 281 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 282 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE MUSE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^@Rob's^^^^^^^ 283 Well, Well, boys and girls! Aren't we having a grand old time today? 284 i haven't had this much fun since the times when my brother chased me around 285 the house with a kitchen knife. 286 287 288 289 oh, A.I.R.--since when have you ever contributed without someone else 290 contributing first? 291 (Sorry, I know that was cruel, but I just couldn't resist. XOX!!) 292 By the way, does anyone know of any job openings for a genius ex-waitress? 293 Being the sourse of world wide inspiration is tough work,yes, but it doesn't 294 pay the rent! 295 ........................now for my comment on the infamous "first line" 296 kiddo, sometimes you make me wanna puke. But I do know the feeling (as you 297 are well aware) . Your cynical tone doesn't fool me--hell, I alsays knew there 298 was a heart in there somewhere, it's finding it through all the bullshit that 299 drove me crazy. however, in one [BIG] case you were right, much to my chagrin. 300 301 Who ever said that two Longs didn't make a Wright? 302 .......................................................................ouch.... 303 Now, how about some bad poetry? 304 305 Sonnet I 306@ Dec.21, 1986 307 How can I express what I find in thee? 308 Thou art as bright and strong as mid day's sun, 309 Changing as the moon's hidden mystery, 310 As near and far as stars to this small one. 311 Thou art witty, thou art clever, thou art gay, 312 Thou art modest in thy knowledge and thy strength, 313 Thou art patient in my tongues unkind delay 314 And with words of newfound wisdom speak at length. 315 Thy passions are unmeasured, like the sea- 316 They rise aand fall as often as the tide. 317 And compassions run deeper still in thee, 318 When in my weakness I in thee confide. 319 I find in thee all features I adore, 320 And know that all I find, there still is more. 321 322 ........................................................sept 22, '87....... 323 even a muse is sometimes inspired 324 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 325 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE MUSE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 326 022=Usr:168 @@PThe person pr 09/28/87 14:17 Msg:613 Call:4068 Lines:2 327 HELLO. THIS IS JUST TEST TO SEE IF I KNOW HOW TO USE THE SYSTEM. 328 I HOPE I DO. 023=Usr:159 09/28/87 15:23 Msg:614 Call:4069 Lines:56 329 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 330 Well, I see that the mandatory seatbelt law will not go into effect after all. 331 I hope everyone knows what this means- if 2/3 of the states don't have a 332 mandatory seatbelt law by 1990, the feds will require air bags. Personally, I 333 would rather see everybody buckle up, but I have very little faith in the 334 average intelligence of the population when it comes to cars, so I know that 335 a mandatory seatbelt law will not work. The next best thing are air bags. 336 Thus, the following dissertation................. 337 Air bags vs. mandatory seat belts,,,, the liability angle. 338 339 As everybody should know there has been a recent battle in our state on 340 the topic of whether or not to require people to buckle up. On one side has 341 been the Governor, the Big Three auto makers, and just about everyone with a 342 cynical attitude to people buckeling up(the PRO side) On the other side has 343 been a radical lunitic fringe, the 'SEATBELTS ARE UNSAFE AT ANY SPEED' groups, 344 and the general population who are sick of having everything remotly fun 345 outlawed and are tired of stupid lawyers ramming ever more legislation down 346 the throat of the general public. Besides that, most intelligent people 347 realize that a population who drives 70 MPH in a 55 zone is not going to 348 buckle a seat belt to save their necks, espically if it is required. Everyone 349 has their own arguements for and aginst, but most people will concede that an 350 air bag will save more lives than an unbuckeled seat belt. 351 But why the resistance to air bags? The fact is, most air bag resistance 352 comes from the automakers, not the general public. There are no public 'BAN 353 THE AIR BAG' groups, because air bags have never been required thus the issue 354 has never GOT to the public. 355 Why does air bag resistance come from the Big Three? These are the same 356 groups who are funneling lots of money into the PRO MANDATORY SEAT BELT LAW 357 people. Why require the use of seat belts when installation of an air bag 358 (Which would be working ALL the time, not just when the passenger remembered 359 to activate it) would simply bypass peoples natural tendency to forget to 360 buckle up? The big three have generated the arguement that installation of an 361 aiir bag would add 100 or so dollars to the purchase price of a car. SO WHAT? 362 ALL automakers would have to install them, so the competiton would gain 363 nothing in the way of a pricing advantage, and besides that if airbags were 364 mass produced the cost would undoubtedly be much lower due to the economies 365 of scale. Is this arguement really believeable coming from the same people 366 who want to sell you $300 worth of stereo system in a new car? 367 In actuality, of course, the real reason has nothing to do with a supposed 368 desire of the auto people to 'save you money'. The real reason is that 369 installation of air bags would fundamentally alter liability in accidents. 370 Lets look at mass production. Every single production run of anything, 371 no matter how well designed, contains a failure rate of items. As example, 372 silicon substrate manufacturing, necessary for producing IC'S, sometimes 373 has a failure rate of 50% or more per wafer. Of course, most production 374 runs do not have failure rates THAT high, but they do exist. Sometimes it 375 is possible to test the finished product in-house, but even then there is 376 still a failure rate, even though it is lower. That is why almost anything 377 you buy from anybody, (except used cars, Ha Ha) is warrentied, even though 378 the warrenty may only last a month or so. 379 Now look at the supposed manufacture of runs of air bag subsystems. 380 If an automaker makes a million air bags with a estimated failure rate of 2%, 381 that figures out to 2 thousand malfunctioning air bags. Can you imagine 382 what would happen if even one of these malfunctioned in an accident? 383 Lawsuit City. 384 ++++++++++++00001TED++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 024=Usr:143 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 09/28/87 16:25 Msg:615 Call:4070 Lines:13 385 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE MUSE^^^^^^@ Rob's^^ 386 Ted, you are a strange man. Where did you come up with this? Not That I Have 387 Anything Against Safety, mind you, but what kind of mind would put such 388 material on a BBS? 389 Curiouser and curiouser. 390 Now, a certain phone call has completely distroyed the purpose for my last 391 entry. But rather than deleting the thing, I have opted post this PUBLIC 392 APOLOGY to my pal and yours, A.I.R. So Sorry, Kiddo. The spirit in which my 393 note was written, however, remains. 394 Luv ya, dear. 395 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE MUSE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 396 397 025=Usr:23  09/28/87 20:27 Msg:616 Call:4076 Lines:1 398 Grannlurk.... September 28, 1987 at 10:11:15pm. 026=Usr:54 09/29/87 01:45 Msg:617 Call:4083 Lines:1 399 Go Ducks!!! 027=Usr:31 Z@[CA\AA 09/29/87 09:46 Msg:618 Call:4090 Lines:1 400 Doclurk +++++++++++++ Sept. 29th, 1987 @ 11:11:51 028=Usr:159 09/29/87 13:36 Msg:619 Call:4092 Lines:15 401 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 402 This board, for those who have been familiar with it's history, has swung 403 between a story board, and a debate board. Sometimes there has been an 404 adventure in full swing, other times an argument. Usually the arguments are 405 started by someone calling someone else a name, twit or otherwise. Usually 406 the stories are started by an invitation to join an adventure. 407 My attempt at posting that rather LONG last entry was to place a reasonably 408 intelligent and controversial topic up, in the obviously frail hope that it 409 would provoke a response. I did this because the last story entry was 410 apparently a miserable failure. (now if that doesn't provoke a response, 411 NOTHING will) 412 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++000001TED+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 413 By the way, in answer to your question MUSE, regarding what kind of mind 414 would put up material like that; 415 The answer is, A warped one. 029=Usr:61 09/29/87 16:47 Msg:620 Call:4094 Lines:1 416 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.Emu 030=Usr:7 Leonard Erickson 09/29/87 18:27 Msg:621 Call:4095 Lines:7 417 Don't forget Channel 12 8 pm Friday Oct 2 "Star Trek: The New Generation" 418 will have its 2 hour premiere. And on Saturday Oct 3rd, the first of the 419 regular 1 hour episodes is on at 7pm.... (three hours of *new* material 420 in only 2 days not bad....) 421 422 And yes, the weapons officer *is* a Klingon.... 423 031=Usr:170 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 09/30/87 20:39 Msg:622 Call:4119 Lines:27 424 THE THIRD DAY: 425 There was no electricity. Naturally, there wouldn't be: all the lines thru 426 Portland were gone, also probably the Trojan plant downriver from there. Of 427 course in this house it was debatable-it was dilapidated and deserted when she 428 had got there, and even though there were wires leading from the power pole 429 out front to the side of the house, she doubted that the wiring system was stil 430 in any sort of repair. 431 As the grey overcast dawn brightened and wan light began to fill the 1st flr 432 bedroom again, idle thoughts filled her mind: 433 *Is this the third day? 434 *No. The fourth. 435 *No. The third. I'm sure it's the third. 436 *What did the Lord do on the third day? Damnation, I've forgotten! 437 *Maybe someone left a Bible behind. Or some old books. Something- in this old 438 house-maybe some old SF ...Poul or Niven or Clarke...God I hope they did... 439 Maybe some Philip K. Dick... that would be appropriate.... 440 *maybe I'll move from this corner today and look.... 441 Then, perhapis in some version of a psychic servolink the thought flashed\ 442 through as to why she was here to begin with, that there was no more Port- 443 land to drive back thru on the way home to Seattle, and probable no more Sea- 444 tle. 445 For the seventieth time in three days, she wept..... 446 \ 447 448 more to come..........Justin The Blue.... 449 by 450 032=Usr:11 Z[\ 10/01/87 15:38 Msg:623 Call:4133 Lines:10 451 Aha, another person who recognizes the genius of Philip K. Dick. Who else can 452 have their work classified by the following three guidelines? 453 454 1) Pre drugs 455 2) Post drugs, Pre green light 456 3) Post green light 457 458 459 Remember, beware people who collect antiques. 460 --------------------------------------------------PKD Fan Club---------------- 033=Usr:23  10/01/87 17:26 Msg:624 Call:4137 Lines:28 461 ========================================================================== 462 Tchyr was a large, multi-faceted metropolis that covered several miles 463 of an otherwise deserted valley. Tall peaks surround it on three sides, 464 and homes of the wealthy seem to climb them as if part of an ivy plant. 465 The south side, however, faces the sprawling spaceport that services ships 466 from across the galaxy. 467 One man gazed out from a high terrace upon the sleeping city. Thousands 468 of bright stars glittered overhead, dimly illuminating his face so as to 469 make it barely distinguishable as that of Jorg Niboh. 470 A dark figure stepped out onto the terrace, watching Niboh intently. 471 It made no sound to attract attention. 472 "Welcome, Ern. A beautiful night, isn't it?" 473 The figure was visibly shaken. As it moved into better light, its 474 features resolved into those of a man. He scowled. 475 "How did you know my name, Mr. Niboh?" he whispered. 476 "I know everyone in this city who could possibly qualify for this 477 expedition. Less than fifty among thousands! I am surprised that you have 478 chosen to come to me, however. You are a loner." 479 "Been watching me, eh? Okay, it's true. I still want the job." 480 "Are you certain?" 481 "Of course." 482 "You shall be notified when we depart." 483 "Aren't you going to supply a few details, such as our destination?" 484 "It hardly matters here, does it? All zones are dangerous, including 485 this one. It is known as the Sclanbu zone if that will satisfy your 486 curiosity." 487 "Never heard of it....very well. I shall await you." 488 ========================================================================== 034=Usr:172 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 10/02/87 09:21 Msg:625 Call:4143 Lines:39 489 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE MUSE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^@ROB'S^^^^^^^ 490 of course! 491 Ted, you're a man after my own heart! I always said a warped mind is a 492 terible thing to waste. I'm glad to see that you are using all that potential 493 strangeness toward a goal which so delights the heart of man and MUSE. 494 TO THE ENTITY WITH THE THING AGAINST ANTIQUES: 495 I resemble that remark! (actually, I'm not really an antique; 496 I doubt that I even qualify as a collectible.)(Being young and in bad shape as 497 apposed to old and in good shape does have a tendancy to ruin your chances of b 498 499 being labeled as an antique. But I do collect them.) 500 Well, THE MUSE has found full time employment.(NO!!NOT FULL TIME EMPOLOYMENT! 501 AAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 502 And being an environmental and comsumer citizens lobbying or ganization(i.e. 503 f#$@ing hippy freak, godd*^n ppolitical activist) is verry interisting. The 504 quote is my title, acording to he loyal citizens with whom I converse daily. 505 FUN FACTS TO KNOW AND TELL 506 More than 6 million pounds of toxic waste is produced anually in the state of 507 Oregon 508 ............ 509 235 toxic waste dump sites have been located thruout the state. More are 510 expected to be found this year. 511 ............ 512 513 The production of synthetic organic chemicals has grown from 1.3billion pounds 514 in 1940 o over 320 billion pounds annually in 1978-an increase of 25,000%. 515 ............ 516 Over $70 billion are spent each tear by government (hard to believe, eh?) and 517 industry on pollution control, whereas less than 1% of this total is spent on p 518 pollution prevention and toxics use reduction(which is a lot simpler, and 519 economically sound) 520 .............. 521 Since 1975 3M of Minnesota has undertaken nearly 2000 pollution prevention 522 measures and saved around $300million. One program is a redesign of a produc 523 production process to use rotating metal brushes to mechanically clean elec- 524 tronic circuit boards,instead of using toxic solvents. 525 --------------------------------------------------------- 526 Enought proselytising. Write your legislator. 527 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE MUSE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 035=Usr:11 Z[\ 10/02/87 15:31 Msg:626 Call:4151 Lines:1 528 But remember, you can't fight city hall, or any other hall for that matter. 036=Usr:164 up. @@@@@@@@@@P 10/02/87 18:29 Msg:627 Call:4154 Lines:3 529 More of Justin the blue's work is available on agora. 530 if interested send mail to eagle @ agora (640-4262) 531 A.I.R. (I introduced Justin to bbsing, he is neat people) 037=Usr:159 10/02/87 22:45 Msg:628 Call:4158 Lines:18 532 MUSE- which is worse, The State Of Oregon chowing down it's own toxic waste, 533 or exporting it to other states?(such as Ohio, He He) 534 I never heard of a sucessful business deliberatly wasting money forever, my 535 guess is that most of the offending businesses on pollution simply don't 536 have the information available on pollution prevention. Perhaps if you 537 exhorted people to try to work with polluters on prevention, showing them 538 how to 'save money!!', instead of trying to legislate it, there would be a lot 539 less pollution. After all, many business don't have the bucks that 3M does, 540 and I'm sure 3M spent lots before beginning to save. Pollution problems are 541 complex, and we really need to dissemiate information on the control of it. 542 Perhaps if someone formed a national informational database on suggestions 543 regarding pollution control, it would help. A typical plant manager certainly 544 is no expert on current pollution control technology, and as you know 545 it is low on the list of priorities. If he knew of where he could easily 546 go to get information to 'save money' 547 (the incidential fact that it may control pollution being secondary) do 548 you think he would ignore it? 549 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++00001TED++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 038=Usr:173 @@@@@@P[[[[[[[[[ 10/03/87 15:15 Msg:629 Call:4168 Lines:6 550 **Happy mutants for nuclear power** 551 552@ o-----\ 553@ / o 554@ | 555@ \o----/ 039=Usr:173 @@@@@@P[[[[[[[[[ 10/03/87 15:24 Msg:630 Call:4169 Lines:21 556 557 \|/ 558 * 559 __*__ 560 (o o) 561 | @ | 562 | \_/ | 563 \_____/ \|/ 564 * * 565 * * 566 * * 567 *************** 568 * * 569 * * 570 * * * 571 /|\ * * 572 * * 573 <==] [==> 574 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=Lord 575 Beaker \__/=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 576 oo 040=Usr:173 @@@@@@P[[[[[[[[[ 10/03/87 20:01 Msg:631 Call:4171 Lines:17 577 With out toxic waist, thousands of people would be out of work. 578 -- No emergency clean up crews 579 -- No environmental crisis centers 580 -- Not half as much cancer for doctors and scientests to work on cureing 581 -- No dead animals washed up on beach shores, to be cleaned up 582 So keep up the production of toxic waist! 583 584 If you ever feel yourself swaying towards enviramentalism, call one of these 585 support groups. They want to help you! 586 587 (771) NUC-LEAR: Happy mutants for nuclear power. 588 (231) 223-xxxx: E.A. Enviraholichs Anonamiss. 589 590 Now run out there and chop down a tree! 591 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 592@list 591 593 041=Usr:174 10/03/87 23:14 Msg:632 Call:4174 Lines:28 594 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE MUSE^^^^^^^^^@Rob's^^^^^^^^^^ 595 TED-- 596 You're on the right track!! I work with OSPIRG, 597 and the Toxics Use Reduction Act I was mentioning is the latest project we're 598 focusing on. To quote from our quarterly newsletter, CITIZEN AGENDA... 599 "The Toxics Use Reduction Act will include a statewide toxics inventory, 600 enforcement of existing anti-pollution laws, A PHASE OUT OF DANGEROUS MATERIALS 601 mandatory reduction of dangerous chemicals, and A TECHNICAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAM 602 FOR BUSINESSES IMPLEMENTING REDUCTION PLANS."[caps are mine] 603 604 605 The whole point of the act is to find economically sound alternatives to 606 toxins in production. The industries will not be told to stop what they're 607 doing, but rather given other methods of doing it, methods that are less 608 hazardous to the environment. 609 <<<<<<<<<< 828 ......................................... 829 Stone and Sea are deep in life, 830 two unalterable symbols of the world: 831 permanence at rest, and permanence in motion; 832 Participants in the Power that remains. 833 STeven R. Donaldson 834 Did You intend 835 that beauty and truth should pass utterly 836 fro the Earth? 049=Usr:1 CISTOP MIKEY 10/05/87 22:28 Msg:640 Call:4221 Lines:5 837 ************************************************************************ 838 MUSE: I don't think we've met, I don't remember anyway. 839 CM is short for CISTOP MIKEY. When my fingers get tired I have a habit 840 of shortening it to CM. 841 **************************** CISTOP MIKEY ******************************* 050=Usr:159 10/05/87 22:47 Msg:641 Call:4222 Lines:21 842 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 843 One more word on the 'hazardous chemicals' debate, 844 Leonard, I sympathize with your companies problem. What you should have done 845 is tested, destroyed the results, then built on the land anyway. Then if EPA 846 got on your case you would be blameless because you 'didn't know' (Right?) 847 Anyway, one flaw with your logic above is this- If a governmental regulation 848 applies to all the companies in the same business (such as a requirement to 849 switch to a different chemical) then they ALL will have the same problems 850 switching over, and NONE will gain a competitive advantage. If EVERYONES 851 product is altered because of a chemical change the customer will have to 852 just 'stick it'. Anyway, we only care, in the long run, about chemicals 853 released from the plant. Personally, I don't care if you piss on your silicon 854 wafers to get them to etch-- as long as you keep the chemicals contained. 855 I suspect the only way you will ever get action out of the EPA is to 856 talk to the Governor, or your congressman. 857 One last word about pollution- let us not forget the largest polluter of 858 all, surpassing all the industries put together, NATURE. 859 Forests, oceans, deserts; they all release more particulates, odors, 860 sediment, and chemicals than any number of industries. 861 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++00000001TED+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 862 off 051=Usr:21 Z0[0\0 10/05/87 23:06 Msg:642 Call:4223 Lines:19 863 FMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFM 864 . 865 Argh! Argh! Argh! Argh! Argh! Argh! Argh! Argh! Argh! 866 . 867 Oh, the wondrous joys of playing Larn! It's just so much fun! 868 Where else can you spend 2 hours and 45 minutes advancing your 869 character to "Warlord" level, only to have him die because he fell 870 into a "Bottomless Pit"? Oh yes, how I love Larn... Where's my 871 hammer? Oh well, I'll probably start over again in the morning. 872 . 873 To The Muse: I must protest! While I'll agree that you're young, 874 I don't think you're in "bad shape". Hope you enjoy working for 875 OSPIRG. As to your problems with the kitten and the Blackwing, 876 just give them a few good strokes and they'll calm down (well, at 877 least the kitten will, I don't know about the Blackwing). ;-) 878 . 879 Fable Master 880 . 881 FMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFM 052=Usr:174 10/06/87 11:34 Msg:643 Call:4229 Lines:65 882 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THE MUSE^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^@Rob's^^^^^^^ 883 More info has come in: 884 MAJOR COPONENTS OF THE OREGON TOXICS USE REDUCTION ACT WILL INCLUDE: 885 ****Statewide Toxics Inventory 886 Companies will have to report the types and amounts of toxics they are 887 using and make plans for reducing their toxics use. 888 ****Tough Enforcement of Our Anti-Pollution Laws 889 Citizens an workers will have the right t monitor businesses' use of toxics 890 and their reduction plans and actions. 891 ****Phase-Out of Dangerous Toxics 892 Chemicals that couse cancer and birth defects will be phased out of use, 893 and the sale of all toxins will be taxed ti discourage use. 894 ****Mandatory Reduction of Toxics 895 Companies will be required to reduce their use of toxics to the extent 896 economically practical. 897 ****Technical Assistance 898 Programs will be established to help busineeesses who want to switch to 899 use reduction methods but don't yet have the know-how. 900 ................................. 901 Does this help clear up a few points, Leonard? Hope so! I'm still working 902 on getting a copy of the Superfund, so hang tight... 903 #####CM-nice ta meecha 904 #####Fable Master-do I know you? you obviously know me, or you're just quick 905 to catch my straight lines (they were pretty obvious; hell, they ARE pretty 906 obvious!!) 907 ####The General Public-I' getting off my soap box for just a few minutes here, 908 AAUGH!! sight of relief! OOOMIGAWD, my feet are just KILLING ME!! If I don't 909 find another job soon, my legs are going to die! It ain't easy knocking 910 on the doors of apathetic, ignorant plebeans, asking for memberships. Yes, 911 I realize how that sounds, been when you're actually out diong it.. well, your 912 brain has a tendancy to get less than sympahtetic; I don't understand the 913 ladies in their 3 storie houses, driping with gold and diamonds, who don't 914 have $15 to help keep the beach outside their lovely summer house just as 915 lovely as always. IT PISSES ME OFF!!!!!!AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHH 916 There. I feel much better now. Gotta go find semi-clean clothes, and go have 917 Lunch. Being one my self(westy lunch, that is), I try to keep those closest to 918 me as happy as I can. It's a demanding job, but someone gets to do it... 919 Heard about the now Ronald Reagan line of software? 920 It has no memory, and no matter what key you hit, the screen shows a semi colon 921 922@ x 923@ xxxxx 924@ xxxxxxxxx 925@ xxxxxxxxxxx 926@ xxxxxxxxxxx 927@ xxxxxxx 928@ 929@ 930@ xxxxxx 931@ xxxxxxxxx 932@ xxxxxxxxxxxxx 933@ xxxxxxxxxx 934@ xxxxxx 935@ xxx 936@ xx 937@ x 938@ xx 939@ 940 Yes, boys and girls, even on an environmental kick, THE MUSE keeps right on 941 amusing--that certain select special peson. The rest of you are innocent 942 bystanders. So long for now, and be sure to take a good look at that beautiful 943 full moon; My namesake worked hard on that one!! 944 luv and tapeworms, 945 Miriam the MUSE 946 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THSE^^^^^^^^^^^@home^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 053=Usr:21 Z0[0\0 10/06/87 19:27 Msg:644 Call:4239 Lines:12 947 FMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFM 948 . 949 To The Muse: Yes, we have met a few times previously. Our mutual 950 friend should be able to enlighten you as to my identity. If not, 951 I'm sure you'll figure it out sooner or later... 952 . 953 Fable Master 954 . 955 Post Script: The full moon is indeed quite beautiful. I watched 956 it rise as I played Larn last night. 957 . 958 FMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFMFM 054=Usr:61 10/06/87 20:37 Msg:645 Call:4240 Lines:6 959 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. 960 Muse: I wonder which "certain papermill in St Helens" you might mean, 961 especially since there's only one. By the way, the chlorine that 962 is being used isn't the only problem that BC has with pollution: you 963 should smell the place! 964 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.formerly of St Helens.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.Emu 055=Usr:7 Leonard Erickson 10/06/87 21:46 Msg:646 Call:4244 Lines:35 965 Muse: I have several problems with the outline you posted. It makes no 966 allowance for the case where there is no substitute for the chemical. 967 (a somewhat silly example, try baking bread that contains *no* sugar) 968 As a more concrete example, the manufacture of silicon semiconductors 969 requires the use of arsenic. Mind you, it is used in the parts per billion 970 range, but it is used. Taxes on emmisions are one on thing. Taxes on the 971 chemicals are only a way of increasing costs and thus increasing consumer 972 prices. 973 Ted: the changes I spoke of made the output of the new process *unusable*. 974 If the law mandates such a change, they will either have to make an exception 975 or the industry in question will move. Period. And if it moves, they will have 976 removed the pollution, but they will also have lost jobs and tax revenue. 977 But I was explaing why industry is so slow to adopt new processes. Nobody wants 978 to be first, due to the economic hazards. At the very least, they'll wait until 979 they are scheduled to replace they equipment anyway. (3-10 years). I've been 980 a machine operator during two *forced* processes changes. The first was due 981 to our requiring more machines, but having to get a different type because 982 the original ones were no longer made. Since we do (classified process) 983 differently than any other company, we have to run the machines differently. 984 Thus, the "new, improved" machines run at from 25-50% of the output of the 985 old ones. The other change involved going to a different type of grinding 986 wheel. It seemed to work just as well. Then we got some new gear for examining 987 the ground surface. Turned out that the new wheels kept grinding just as long, 988 but produced an out of spec surface after as little as 100 runs. (out of an 989 expected lifetime of around 100 thousand runs). With the old equipment the 990 surface appeared to be okay. By the time we found the problem we had almost 991 none of the old wheels left, and a huge non-returnable inventory of the new 992 ones. We had to use the new wheels, and since a wheel change takes 5 min plus 993 10-15 min to readjust the machine.... and then in 30 min you might have to 994 do it again... The process engineers were not popular on the floor after 995 that fiasco! (of course it wasn't really their fault). Thank god I'm out of 996 that, especially since they've had to change machines again.... 997 __________________________Leonard___________________________________________ 998 gee, I guess this is 999 THE END