1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ************************ INSTALLED: 4 SEP 86 ************************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************************* 19 20 ROSES ARE RED 21 TALK IS CHEAP 22 SO LEAVE YOUR MESSAGE 23 AT THE BEEP. 24 -DONOVAN- (THE COMPUTER WHIZ) 25 26 =+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+= 27 28 What a SCUM BAG!!!!! 29 30 It looks like we have another kiddie board on our hands out in the South 31 32 33 ************* 34 *Triple Five* 35 * Was Here! * 36 ************* 37 38 =+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+==+-+= 39 Hello! 40 Are you 41 there, 42 Mike? 43 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 44 Elforson's mind reeled and spun, and his jaw hung slack.His eyes 45 well beyond any normal width, he blinked, to try and change what he saw. 46 47 "Ah yes, mighty white man, you are indeed looking upon the face of a 48 pigmy, the 'orrible savages infamous throughout your world!!" 49 And, at that point, his friend's face creased into a smile, then he threw back his head, and laughter spilled forth lon 50 loud.His shoulders still quaking, he took Elforson by the hand, and led him 51 down towards the earth below.Elforson took quick, darting glances out of the 52 corners of his eyes, trying to take in his friend's appearance.He stood about 53 three foot two, probably eighty pounds, well proportioned muscles, high forehead 54 and very alive and intelligent eyes, which were steadily obseving Elforson 55 every time he looked at his face.After perhaps ten minutes of silent walking, 56 he span around to face his diminutive colleage, and burst forth with: 57 "This is no good.My name is Halfdan Elforson, I'm twenty- nine, 58 and British born.Who are you, if I may ask?" 59 His friend looked at him intently for a long moment, then, with visible 60 relaxation in his face, said very queitly, 61 "Whilst you may not have the manners of your brother, you are, I 62 think, as honourable, and with probably as much integreity.I will trust you. 63 This wiil be hard for you, I'm sure.I learnt my english from him, as I also 64 gained reading material from him, and learnt several other languages." 65 "Wait for one God-damned minute, you, what the hell are you trying 66 to say, that my brother was involved with you?C'mon, I'm no fool.Anyway, how'd 67 you find out I had a brother in the first place.And, you still haven't explained 68 who you are!!" 69 The little man facing him had smiled at this outburst, a smile with 70 a touch of nostalgia to it, and, his head on one side, with a broad grin, 71 he replied, "Exactly as i expected.He was right about your temper.He said 72 something about how 'Haffie always fancied himself as quite the viking, 73 what with our ancestory!!', and it seems he was right." 74 Elforson shut up.He might be a touch arrogant, but he wasn't stupid. 75 There was aboslutely no way that this person could know his brother's favourite 76 saying about him without intimate contact.His head spinning, he apologised 77 profusely for his rude outburst, and begged to be told how the other knew 78 his older brother, Leif.Leif had been an astronaut, one of the best, before 79 the test-ship he was in became involved in the Komarov docking accident.Pain 80 filled memories weled up in his mind, and Elforson's eyes were suddenly wet. 81 He looked down in surprise as his friend sobbed also. 82 "Your brother and I were in close collaberation to the end, and he 83 was a good friend.I hope you will start to help us where he left off." 84 "Help?How?Of course, but doing what?" 85 "Do not speak before you know what, for it is dangerous work he was 86 doing.In fact, it gives me panges of guilt to realize that he died doing our 87 mission." 88 Elforson's brain, which had been on the edge of a precipice yawning 89 beneath him, fell into the sickening depths, and he nearly lost conciousness. 90 They had been walking, and had entered a village of rude huts, of woven leaves 91 and vines, all around.No-one was in the huts, for all were at the center of the 92 octagonal village square, all doing highly organized things, but there were so 93 many that it appeared a hive of furious activity, surrounding something that 94 Elforson's brain refused to accept.Huge, glinting in the sun, greenish dappled 95 light reflected in its polished surfaces, it formed the centerpiece of the village.The huge engine nacelles pointing offf to 96 lforson's left, the entrance hatch a staggering four hundred feet above his haed.The size seduced his brain, led it along, and 97 efeated ti totally, causing almost total mental collapse.He finally opened his 98 eyes for a second look, hoping it had gone away, but it stubbornly had refused 99 to vanish, or change.It was still the largest, most compex, and, above all 100 ALIEN spaceship he had ever seen. 101 102 Adric. 103 104 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 105 ____09/04/86__________________JD 2446678.7407_________22:46:39_PDT_________ 106 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 107 Busy, Busy, Busy. And so is Backwater, as I see. Just popped in to visit 108 109 briefly- I've got a project due soon and time is scarce, if you'd wondered 110 111 where I'd gone. 112 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Milchar ++++ September 4, 1986 ++++++++++++ 113 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP 114 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\////////////////////////////////////// 115 We need this program on this date! 116 No excuses we'll allow. 117 You've got to work until you drop, 118 It's the honor of our State. 119 120 But what you ask, it can't be done. 121 It's not the program itself you see 122 but the time frame you allow me. 123 I try to think who could help, there is none. 124 125 That's no way to talk, you work for us. 126 You'll do what you have to or die. 127 If you think you've heard the worst we can be, 128 Remember, there is a lot more than cuss. 129 130 I see your point, as you tighten screws. 131 You'll break my back and discard me. 132 I'm just a tool in a gigantic box, 133 like your hammer and chisel and fuse. 134 135 Oh no, you are much more valuable than that. 136 You get much better treatment than hammers. 137 We realize you have a powerful brain, 138 and finishing what we ask will earn you a pat. 139 140 A pat. How generous, are you sure you can spare it? 141 Your pay scale resembles are second derivative. 142 Your benefits would make a prisoner laugh. 143 And your work ethic, hah, on that I must spit. 144 \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\V/////////////////////////////////////// 145 146 ++++++++++lurk++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Darbon++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 147 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 148 The night had drawn its cloak tight about the rude little camp. The tiny 149 fire was down to a bare handful of glowing coals, their enflamed hearts covered 150 in thin films of cooling ash. The piper had scooped a slight depression for 151 his hips and cleared rocks and branches from the forest floor to make his bed. 152 He lay on the unyeilding ground, less than an arm's length from the tiny firepit 153 that had cooked his meager meal. Sleepless, haunted by memories, he lifted a 154 tiny aromatic leaf from the forest floor. He turned the leaf over and over 155 in his fingers, feeling the ridged surface of wooden veins on one side and the 156 flat smoothness of the light-collecting surface on the other. 157 Smiling, he dropped the leaf into the almost-dead fire, brushing a few 158 sweet-smelling crumbs from his fingers. With tired eyes, he watched the leaf 159 land on the glowing coals. Idly, he watched the leaf darken an char. First, 160 tiny coils of white vapor curled from the blackening edges of the leaf, then 161 glowing spots appeared where the leaf contacted the coals. The volumes of vapor 162 increased, changed to a thick yellow that almost seemed to glow with a light of 163 its own, and drifted up to tease his nostrils with a somehow familiar scent. 164 Intrigued, the piper watched the leaf finally burn with a tiny flame, a flame 165 that seemed to flicker through myriad colors so quickly that he could scarcely 166 believe that the colors had been there. Looking closely as the tiny flame 167 died, he saw a miniscule speck of brightness. The piper stared intently at the 168 brightness and saw it wax into a nearly discernable mote, then relaxed his 169 attention and saw it wane almost to nothingness. 170 "Strange," he muttered to himself. "It almost seems to need my attention to 171 exist. What if I increase the attention?" 172 Staring intently at the bright mote in the coals, he sat up and crossed his 173 legs in a posture of meditation. Several moments of intense concentration 174 caused the mote to grow to the size of a small, glowing pea. A few more moments 175 raised it to the size of a marble. Nearly no effort was required to get the 176 glowing object to the size of a golf ball, and the piper began to have second 177 thoughts of the advisability of continuing the exercise. 178 The piper forced his eyes away from the object for a few moments to allow it 179 to contract again. When he looked again, it had not shrunk, but began to 180 rapidly expand as he looked at it. Alarmed, he gathered his plaid about him 181 and stepped instinctivly backwards as the glowing object rapidly inflated to 182 a sphere nearly ten feet in diameter. 183 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 184 PorSFiS tomorrow. BPA auditorium 2 pm. It's on the light rail.... 185 ____09/05/86__________Leonard_JD 2446679.5417_________18:00:04_PDT_______ 186 It's on the Mad-Max line? What, is that supposed to encourage us? 187 Or discourage us. 188 189 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 190 The Innkeeper seemed lost in his own thoughts, as I had been in mine. I was 191 thinking back to younger times, when the world was yet new. There was no 192 talk then of things all gone astray. No people saying 'This is my place. 193 Give it to me or you and I will both die.' The sky was for dreaming into, 194 not for bloodshed. I am tired of hearing the truth these days. 195 Is there a reason for this ? If I were an advanced soul, would I be able to 196 see the sense in the nonsense ? Why did I choose this life. I read in a book 197 that was dear to me that we will know that our mission on earth is not 198 finished if we are yet in this plane. What is my mission ? Why are these 199 things happening to me, and to my friends ? 200 A soothing voice came to me. "Are you not here to learn ? Is there not 201 something to learn from every experience ? Perhaps those who fill them- 202 selves with hatred and lust for violence need to learn that hatred and 203 violence only begets hatred and violence." 204 I pondered that for a moment, and then thought "Why should the innocent be 205 forced to share in that lesson ?", and the voice replied, "Perhaps it was 206 their choosing, perhaps it was not. The truth is hard to see, sometimes. 207 Other times, it easy to see, but no one wants to believe it. Maybe the 208 higher power, what some refer to as God, doesn't care about guilt and 209 innocence." "That seems contrary to all of the religions of the world." I 210 thought to myself. "But then again, religion does not seem to have a very 211 enviable record in peace and harmony, but an outstanding record in the 212 sowing of discontent and hatred. I myself am a man of peace, but I do not 213 attribute that to my religious training, but to my reading and under- 214 standing on a personal level." The voice said "You are learning still, but 215 the Innkeeper is looking at you oddly. He has been a witness to this 216 learning, and perhaps has something to add." 217 I turned to the Innkeeper, my friend of longstanding, and asked, "Ponder these 218 thoughts then, and I apologize for intruding on your own thoughts. Why is 219 it that only the hatred and violence is made known to us these days ? Is it 220 that there is more of it ? Do I just feel it more ? Is it age ? Wisdom ? 221 A knowledge of the wrongs I have committed ?" 222 The Innkeeper went behind the bar to fetch us each an ale, and looked 223 quietly into the distance as I waited for him to speak. 224 225 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][] Friar [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 226 {+|+} <238> 860905^2034 ! 227 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.impending.matrimony.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.Emu 228 SHHHHHHHHRRRRRRREEEEEEEIIIIIIIIKKKKK! 229 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP 230 ____09/06/86__________________JD 2446679.8165_________00:36:12_PDT_________ 231 {+|+} <243> 860906^1218 232 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 233 FRIAR, WHILST I HAVEN'T BEEN AVIDLY FOLLOWING YOUR TALE, 234 I LIKE THE STYLE A LOT.I HOPE WE SEE MORE OF THIS WORK, THOUGH I DO HOPE 235 IT DOEN'T BECOME TO THEOLOCGICALLY ORIENTED, FOR THEN PEOPLE WOULD DEVELOP 236 A TENDANCY TO SKIP OVER YOUR WRITING. 237 238 I have further plot developements in mind, and, once they are sorted out, 239 will continue the story of Elforson's strange odessey, if so desired,( 240 and possibly even if not so desired!!!) 241 242 hoping for response, 243 Adric. 244 Adric: Not so desired!!! Your writing sucks eggs. 245 What you said You can't forget 246 In your mind you'll soon regret 247 I lived forever but I died yesterday 248 This life seems dull in everyway 249 250 These bullet proof vests don't work 251 The bullets go through to make you hurt 252 I've seen nuclear war in the future dream 253 I died yesterday at least it seems 254 255 The middle-east sucks royally 256 But I can't see what you believe 257 Nuclear weapons H-bomb mania 258 Reagans a scum and so are you!! 259 260 Dirt! Dirt! Crawl in slime 261 You don't have a F****** dime! 262 Spend all your money on underwear 263 Spend it all again on your spiked hair! 264 265 Dream world Russians invade 266 It looks like a panty raid.. 267 Suicidal maniacs roaming the streets 268 Killing everyone that they meet 269 270 I don't know , seems so unreal 271 Trying to forget what I feel... 272 Departure from the present.... 273 Global nuclear destruction 274 275 Russians, Irianians, were not alone 276 They're in this slimy mess too..... 277 Bombs Grenades and your trusty comb 278 They're gonna blow up you know who! 279 280 The world... self destruct 281 The world.... Good Conduct 282 The world, past, the world, future 283 the world is now under pressure 284 285 Listen, slimes and freaks 286 Stupid Terrorist bastards 287 It's the game you keepp 288 289 Devotion and trust 290 left in the dust 291 Why is life so unfiar 292 293 Do what you must 294 No one to trust 295 Nucear fall out losin my hair 296 297 destinty, is really free 298 your hands are made of playdo 299 Open your mind you can't see 300 What this world is really made of 301 302 dude, party on the pation 303 ******************************************************************************** 304 I tried uploading this a while ago, but unfortunately less than half made it. 305 Line noise. For those of you who may have missed it the first time and those 306 who read but half, here it is in its entirety. 307 308 PARLEY VOUS FRANCAIS? OF COURSE, MOUSSIER. 309 310 311 I can speak a little French. Words like cordon bleau, tete a 312 tete, parley vous Francais. How about entre vous? Literally 313 translated, doesn't that mean: ENTER, YOU! If you ask me that doesn't 314 seem very polite. Hmmm... I wonder how you say please in French. 315 Strange how I know words like Escargot - baked snails - but not how to 316 say please. I guess the French just aren't a polite people. That's a 317 lot like the Mexican I've heard on T.V. They'll give a sampling of 318 Mexican (Spanish) words and a thick Mexican accent so I get the 319 flavor, the essence - if you will - of the setting... bull!... 320 For example, here is an actual Mexican conversation. 321 322 Americano: Where is Senorita Maria? 323 Mexican: Senorita Maria is up in her uncle's hacienda with Don 324 Carlos, senor. The bandalitos are following them. 325 Americano: You're sure? 326 Mexican: Si. 327 328 Excuse me, but what kind of Spanish is that? I know many first-year 329 Spanish students who can speak better than this supposedly fluent 330 Mexican. I think the filmmakers are trying for effect when they drop 331 this pseudo-Spanish on us, but why couldn't they be consistent? Pick 332 ONE language, guys, and stick with it! More often than not, they'll 333 throw in a Spanish word I don't know and then I only understand half 334 of what was said. I imagine a Mexican watching the same show would 335 undersand the other half. 336 Because of this, I have to hand it to Japanese movies. When they 337 make a movie, they do it all in Japanese. If Americans want to see 338 it, they can dub in English... and we do. There's none of this 339 dubbing in every other word, because half of it was already in 340 English. No, they do the whole thing in Japanese. They're not 341 concerned with being 'international' like we are. Bravo, senors 342 Japanese. 343 German is a lot like Mexican. They use the thick accent and a 344 few German words, like: Kapitan, danke schoen and sauer kraut. 345 Despite all this, I think the most well-know German phrase is Heil 346 Hitler. ...Pathetic... 347 Italians just talk fast. They use words too, but fortunately 348 they're all food. Words like: spagghetti, fettuccine, lasagna, garlic 349 bread, etc... I think I'll award Italian the most delicious language 350 award. With words like Escargot, French certainly didn't give any 351 competition in this category. 352 Latin is like Spanish and German, except that it is used more in 353 books than in movies. They have the common abbreviations like i.e., 354 circa, et al, etc... These are usually used in writing to confuse the 355 reader. You see, Spanish, German and French dictionaries are readily 356 available to many people. But when was the last time you saw a Latin 357 dictionary? Hard to come by, aren't they? I think this is why Latin 358 is considered the language of intellectuals. Only the people with 359 good memories can remember any of it. Also, Latin is a dead language. 360 Nobody speaks it anymore. It is just used in reading and writing. 361 And as we all know reading and writing are dead these days. The last 362 thing that bugs me about Latin is that it has less to do with English 363 than many people think, yet it is ingrained in our national heritage. 364 Look at any U.S. coin and the words e. pluribus unum are emblazoned 365 upon it. This doesn't exactly make me feel patriotic. I speak fluent 366 American and I can't evern understand half the words printed on our 367 currency - they're in Latin. 368 My pen's running out of ink, so I think I'll leave Russian, Greek 369 and Swaheely to someone else. Besides, languages that consider 370 triangles to be letters are better left alone. I guess that's not so 371 bad though. We use circles. 372 373 Brought to you by 374 Beatrice (Oppose us and we will crush you. -David Letterman-) 375 No, D.L. did not write this. He just said the Beatrice caption. 376 377 ch undersand/understand/know/known/evern/even 378 and numberous other typos/misspellings/dropped letters. e.g. numberous. 379 380 ******************************************************************************** 381 382 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 383 384 THERES A LADY I KNOW 385 WHO TAKES YOUR VISION 386 AND TURNS IT ALL AROUND. 387 388 THE THINGS YOU SEE 389 ARE WHAT YOU`LL BE, 390 LOST AND NEVER FOUND 391 LADY EVIL 392 THE ROSE OF THE GARDEN 393 HAS BEEN SEWN 394 THE "GATE AND GARDEN" 395 396 IS NOW KNOWN. 397 398 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 399 the KEEPER 400 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 1999 401 402 }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} 403 ____09/06/86__________________JD 2446680.6661_________20:59:18_PDT_________ 404 oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo 405 Cistop Mikey - If you would like that I create a new account on 406 Lem., just ask. It isn't all that difficult; would 407 only take me a minute to set things up and get things 408 going. Oh, and sorry I have little to contribute. 409 Maybe I could help the person you've asked to write the 410 manuals? (Are you still out there?) 411 L'homme - Glad to see we've been misinformed. 412 See first sentance to Mikey. 413 so @ lem 414 oo oo oo oo oo oo oo oo -oo 415 PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP 416 *%)*%@%#@%%@(%+@#%+^*^*&$_*_)*%)!+*(+!($#@!%_|#^($*^_*@%!+_%(_@(%@+*#^*#+@__(@#^#$*+_ 417 "Ignore them and they'll blow away in the wind" 418 David E. Rumelhart 419 420 so@lem : What's this about needed new accounts on Lem? And manuals? Are you 421 thinking we could write manuals without ever meeting.... nah. Of 422 course that would really be an experiment in electronic communication. 423 I am surprised that National Egyptian Tours hasn't severed that 424 possibility too. They are such baddies. 425 piper : welcome back to non-lurk writing! 426 Leonard: How did the PorSFiS meeting go? I assume no crazed science fiction fans 427 attempted an armed take over of a MAX-train? 428 *%()*#$%_*)$&)&#@^_#$^*)(+_)#$@^+@#^@^* L'homme sans Parity $#*)$_+)*(`%*_)%*@_**%)_* 429 ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 430 I'm a hundred and seven today, Bagoom! 431 I'm a hundred and seven today! 432 433 Of course, this being me birfday, I'm gonna ignore the Pessamist 434 Poet of destruction and international hatred.It's a damned good thing he 435 doesn't represent all Americans, 'cos if he did, that would make the Ugl 436 y American the true stereotype.I wonder what we capatalist warmongers 437 are said to be like in the soviet socialist republics!!!!! 438 I hope someone out there can reassure me that all Americans aren't 439 haters of the rest of the world as well!!! 440 hoping not to be 441 horrified, 442 Adric. 443 ============================================================================= 444 Actually the Russians view us about the same as we view them. 445 mazing what politics and peer pressure can do to warp peoples thinking. 446 And you thought that peer presure was just something for the kiddies. 447 Hardly, it is always there, it just gathers fancyer names and gets 448 more orginaized later in life, but it is always there. Others dictating 449 how yu are to think and feel about everything. Isn't life wonderful? 450 ========================= fred ============================================= 451 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. 452 Adric - Please continue... I am reading with interest. As for basic 453 writing mechanics, practice makes perfect. I see a good story emerging... 454 .-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.Emu 455 456 457 She stands there at the window, 458 looking out into the gloom of the night. 459 I want to go to her and tell her I understand. 460 I want to touch her, to tell her I'm there. 461 I want to hold her, tell her I care. 462 But I cannot, I am nothing, 463 an image without form. 464 She cannot hear me. 465 She cannot see me. 466 She cannot feel 467 my touch. 468 I don't 469 exist 470 . 471 472 473 474 God that's depressing, don't you ever write anything upbeat? Sheesh! 475 476 There once was a lady of Bright, 477 Who could travel much faster than light. 478 She left one day, 479 In a relative way. 480 And returned the previous night. 481 482 There once was a man of Breen, 483 Who had the fastest machine on the scene 484 Late one night, 485 when the cops weren't in site, 486 He blue shifted the red lights to green. 487 488 _________________________09.07.86____17.11______________0001.00______________p1 489 490 W .W .3 491 I hope i shall see 492 for who knowith of the 493 coming of dejiess. 494 Death & Souls shall pay his tolls 495 for the power hell deeply hold. 496 With eye`s a blaze 497 and in a mindless daze 498 he shall conqure & win 499 the War of Sin. 500 501 the KEEPER. 502 503 JACDAN GRAY I'M LOOKIN' FOR YA-----GIVE ME A CALL BUDDY 504 / / / / ? / / ? / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / 505 FRED: I'm glad that you think of the Soviets in that manner. I find it inter- 506 esting that many people who use computers--people who are supposed to be looking 507 towards the future--are such nnarrow-minded and angry of 'them.' 508 To find someone that realizes that the distrust is basically mutual, and 509 ttherefore can be altered is a good sign. 510 I thank you... 511 *** STARPATH *** 512 / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / / 513 ============================================================================== 514 I think you misjudge most computer types. Yes there are a some out in modem 515 land that have little knowledge of such things and indeed avoid the subject, 516 But I suspect that most of the ones you think of simple do not have enough 517 years under their belts to have gained knowledge of how the world really 518 works. There are very good reasons why a man is inducted into military service 519 at the young age of 18 or 19 and generally refuse beyond the age of 26. In 520 this case the younger the better, because the younger they are, the more 521 suseptable to the propaganda and brainwashing of the military. And that's 522 the point here, those who echo the blandishments of the popular media seldom 523 assume their own thoughts on matters. But as you grow in years that often 524 changes as you begin to see it for what it is, an attempt by one peer group 525 to get you to think the way they want you to think. At that point in your 526 life what usually happens is that you either fall in line and accept their 527 teachings as gospel, or learn to recognize it for what it is and take it 528 all with a grain of salt. Computer folk normally being of a more educated 529 group usually are more often found in the later group. But don't assume 530 that just because someone has a modem that they are automatically among 531 the computer lot. It simply means they have a modem, and at $100 or less these 532 days for a computer and modem it doesn't take much for anyone with even the 533 slightest interest to get in. Thus we get those who must show their own 534 worth by the vandlistic response to the rest of the users. Because they have 535 found in their lives that if they can't get someone to notice them that by 536 doing such they can even if it is negative, at least they are noticed. 537 But we were speaking of computerists, keep in mind that they too are 538 subject to peer pressure, they have their own groups and concepts of what 539 should and shouldn't be done. Of what is right and what is wrong. 540 When a person will not accept the basic tenants of a group they seldom 541 stick around. If not because they don't like the company kept, then by 542 the group itself which rejects and expels a foreign and thereby unwanted 543 intruder. All things in life follow the basic tenants of life principal, 544 the need to reproduce and grow to gain dominance whereever one can. Be it 545 an individual, a group, or system of any sort all follow the life 546 principle rules. 547 There, now that I've yakked on for a very lengthy period of time and said 548 really nothing I suppose I should shut up and let someone else have access 549 to the system. 550 551 Leaders lead, and workers work, it is the way of life. 552 ============================= fred ======================================= 553 554 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||???????????????\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 555 556 We have a new user here, she wants to get on to the Backwash on a 557 regular basis.....but, as yet she hasn't stepped up to the responsibilty 558 of a modem.Ah well, as I know 'er an' she an' 'er worthy sis are yer, I 559 brouhgt 'em up, hence the undecided border......Adric. 560 Now, let them speak for 'emselves, he both of 'em............. 561 562 Uh, well... Pleasure to be in the presence of such..(shall I say it?) 563 talent? 564 This will take some getting used to won't it? Me friend, Adric, did say 565 I must be gettin meself a name. As of now I shall simply be an annonymous 566 type people. 567 568 hi