LI FILE ON MARGIN IS 80 STATUS: ENTER ONLY NUMBER OF LINES: 569 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ******************* REMOVED: 14 AUG 84 ********************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day system operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************ 19 20 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* 21 It really cracks me up reading C64 users and Apple users going at each 22 other ... 'specially since the same basic MPU (6502 school) is in both 23 machines. 24 CDP 25 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@@*@* 26 also ... I think the ethinocentric view of one machine being 'better' then 27 another is really really SILLY. 28 CDP 29 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 30 FERN UNIT CONT....................... 31 Everything looked so bright and florescent that I had to squint my eyes to 32 walk. I had forgotten to put protection pads 33 on my feet and the sand was hot like that of a 34 lions breath. I began to sweat beads of flesh 35 that dripped on my new swimming trunks. This made 36 me panic since I knew my body would melt if I didn't 37 get to the river fast! I broke out into a run and 38 some of my flesh flew behind me, but I didn't have time to 39 gather any of it up. There was only one thing on my mind, 40 the river. Some of the rocks along the bank shouted at me 41 to hurry for time was turning behind me. I hit the water 42 just in time to make a large buzz sound. The river felt 43 calm upon my swimming trunks and I waited patiently until 44 they were well acquainted with the river. I then broke out into 45 a swim. I must have felt a sudden cosmic urge, for my body felt 46 like a nervous salmon. I imagined myself darting in and out of 47 spawning holes with my dorsal fins breathing to the rhythm of the 48 river. I felt so alive! I shot up through the currents of time 49 to catch a small fly feeding on a bit of floating Fern. I was a 50 sly salmon with a quick eye. I must have been in the river for 51 quite a while since the day began to slip away and become the night 52 I don't remember what happened next, except that my body began to 53 wilt like a glove does sometimes under a lot of pressure. I was 54 feeling that it was about time to head back to my shelter when I 55 felt the river move. I looked up at the sky and realized that it 56 was already the night. Could the river be dreaming? Yes, I was 57 certain that she was. I had never been in the river while she 58 dreamt. How wonderfull this would be. I floated on my back and let 59 the river dream into my pores. She became milk and enriched my blood. 60 I guess she was dreaming of a cow or maybe a quite pasture somewhere. 61 The Fernwood that surrounded me became wheat fields of corn and I had 62 a small conversation with a stray crow. I must have dozed off for the 63 current had wrapped me in a warm blanket of sleep. The blanket covered 64 me like a cocoon and I felt safe. I noticed that the river was through 65 dreaming and I could see small grains of sand in her eyes. It was very 66 late......................................to be cont............................ 67 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@story written by SU-SUN, (LOVER OF WATER) 68 ***************************I am a new writer on BWMS and I hope you 69 ***************************except non-human members, for I am of a 70 ***************************different galaxy. My planet is 5.340007.99 71 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@dark years in the future. My body structure 72 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^exists as one on your planet earth but is 73 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++really made of a million different bits of 74 ***************************dust particles known as sand on this planet. 75 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^My mother was a computer chip and my father 76 ****************************was of a lower class consisting of ones and 77 *****************************zeros. Our planet, (Doner 2) consists of 78 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%5various plants and wild cats that float 79 ******************************along the vast beaches that are well known 80 *******************************to our species. Some of these wild cats were 81 *********************************peacefull but others began to take advantage 82 ********************************of our peacefull minds. The cats began to 83 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%plot evil ideas into our race's minds and 84 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$we ended up fucking the whole planet over. 85 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Destruction was in the eyes of 86 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%everyone within the planet walls and 87 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%I couldn't bare seeing my fellow 88 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Donerioan's having their units 89 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& ripped off and cast out into the 90 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@sea of storage banks outside the 91 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~great fiberglass wall. So I 92 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||\\\ became a cast away and hid 93 +++++++++~+~+~+~+~+||||||||||||||||||||\\ among the brain of a passing 94 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~nuclear satellite headed 95 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000in direct course to the planet 96 *******************************************you call Earth. I sometmes 97 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&wonder what will become of the 98 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))evil minded wild cats who took 99 ][[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[charge like a hot snake. But 100 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000have no fear! I have staked out 101 """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""in a small apatrment complex 102 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 among all the kaios and have 103 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++==secret agents posted to give 104 #############################################warning against any loud 105 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~sabor-toothed meows in the 106 ***********************************************neighborhood. Until next time`{ 107 '/.;.;lkkdks9/';.-=00173645473 [`\\\\\\\\\\ ```````000000000000000000000 108 109 110 I WOULD LIKE ANY ORTLAND OR VANCOUVER NUMBERS OF BBS'S, THAT CAN BE 111 ACCESSED WITH OUT A CODE, I AM TRYING TO LEARN TO USE THIS TELECOMU 113 LEAVING THIS MESSAGE, FOR THE NEXT HOUR, TO SEE IF I GET AN ANSWER. 114 IF NOT, I WILL REDILE THIS NUMBER. THANK YOU. G.M.D. 115 XT 116 117 BREAK 118 YOU CAN TELL IT'S GOING TO BE A ROTTEN DAY WHEN: 119 You wake up face down on the pavement. 120 You put your bra on backward and it fits better. 121 You call Suicide Prevention and they put you on hold. 122 You see a "60 Minutes" news team waiting in your office. 123 Your birthday cake collapses from the weight of all the candles. 124 You want to put on the clothes you wore home from the party, 125 and there aren't any. 126 You turn on the news and they're showing emergency routes out 127 of the city. 128 Your twin sister forgets your birthday. 129 Your car horn goes off accidentally and remains stuck as you 130 follow a group of Hell's Angels on the freeway. 131 Your boss tells you not to bother to take off your hat. 132 The bird singing outside your window is a buzzard. 133 You wake up and your braces are locked together. 134 You walk to work and find your dress is stuck in the 135 back of your pantyhose. 136 You call your answering service and they tell you it's 137 none of your business. 138 Your blind date turns out to be your ex-wife. 139 Your income tax check bounces. 140 You put both contact lenses in the same eye. 141 Your pet rock snaps at you. 142 Your wife says, "Good morning, Bill" and your name is George. 143 144 IF ANY ONE OUT THERE READS THIS, I AM LEARNING TO USE THIS 145 TELECOMU PROGRAM, IF YOU WANT TO PRACTICE, I WILL BE ON AUTO 146 IF ANY ONE OUT THERE READS THIS, I AM TRYING TO LEARN TO USE THIS TELCOMU. 147 I WILL BE ON AUTODIAL UNTILL 2:30 A.M. 9\11\84, IF ANYONE CARES TO CHAT, MY 148 --------------------------------------- 149 ack! snort! barf! 150 --------------------------------------- 151 bill the cat 152 --------------------------------------- 157 ----- 158 ack! 159 ----- 160 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 161 My, how crummy BW has...... 162 Alex: you were line intensive last night to the point of nervana, I *HOPE* 163 you remember todays board meeting at 3:30 in the map room. 164 Susan M. Interesting, very interesting, what kind of computer do you have? 165 C.D.P.:The same unsupported,slow, hard to work with 6502 chip. Can you tell me 166 why people continue to use this turkey of a processor when much better ones exist 167 at a price difference of about 5 bucks? 168 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/MiG/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 169 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 170 IN THE BEGINNING THERE WAS ALTAIR AND LO! THE CRITICS WERE DUBIOUS. THEN 171 CAME APPLE AND COMMODORE, THE CHILDREN OF ALTAIR. AND STILL THE CRITICS WERE 172 SNORTING IN THE HALLS. THEN CAME PC AND PC JR. AND THE CRITICS WERE DUPED. 173 MIGHTY ALTAIR STOOD UPON THE MOUNTAIN AND LOOKED DOWN UPON THE MANY USERS 174 AND CONSUMERS AND SHED A TEAR. WHAT HAD BECOME OF HIS CHILDREN? NATTERING 175 OVER WHETHER ONE WAS BETTER THAN THE OTHER, TRYING TO SHOW THE OTHER UP. HE 176 SIGHED. WHEN WOULD THEY GET DOWN TO SOME SERIOUS COMPUTING? HE RAISED HIS 177 GREAT MEMORY BANK UP TO THE SKY AND SANG THE SONG OF DISKETTE, PLEADING WITH 178 THE COSMIC FORCES THAT ARE ALL OF US. HE HOPED FOR RAIN. 179 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-F FIN 180 181 boy some fools can't tell the difference 182 between a little friendly kidding and 183 real tom-foolery.I don't even know where 184 this CDP person is getting his material 185 about the apple commodore wars. It is 186 quite clear this is a friendly little 187 commodore jest,meaning nothing more than 188 a few good laughs back at the office. 189 Lighten up boys, you have yet to see the 190 fireworks backwater is so famous for. I 191 imagine when that happens you will be so 192 out of your element anyway,it won't make 193 much difference to you. 194 195 ANNOUNCING A NEW PRODUCT. COMMODORE 64 COOKIES. USE THE LETTERS CONTAINED IN 196 THE PACKAGE TO SPELL OUT THE VARIOUS ERROR MESSAGES SO COMMONLY FOUND WHEN 197 USING THE COMMODORE. THEN EAT THE MESSAGE, DRINK SOME MILK, AND FEEL BETTER 198 ABOUT THE WHOLE THING IN THE MORNING. THESE LETTERS ARE PURE DEXTROSE, SODIUM 199 NITRATE, RED DYE NUMBER 3, BEN GAY, AND GRECIAN FORMULA 16. OUR SCIENTISTS 200 HAVE DEVELOPED A MIXTURE THAT IS SURE TO HAVE YOUR TASTE BUDS DEMANDING MORE. 201 DON'T MISS THIS GREAT INTRODUCTORY OFFER. 98 CENTS A BOX, OR 2 FOR ONLY $2.00. 202 ATTENTION K-MART SHOPPERS! 203 204 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 205 Riskers, 206 Good fun... I am glad to see myself gaining some tolerance to the VOL 207 however it would be nice to create some vaccine so that ones immunity could 208 be assured....even temporarily... The second game was indeed the best effort 209 at nuclear risk that I have seen to date. ( grumble....) I might make one 210 suggestion.... that being L'homme ! NEVER ! play craps ....how many times 211 did you come up one short...twice...thrice...a few hundred...I lost count ! 212 And poor Petrov .. your first few games.. and stuck in Europe...betwixt 213 everyone and nowhere to go. I am sure its hard to generate any form of 214 enthusiasm for a game where you are centered at the point of all conflict. 215 If Leonard could of lasted ONE more move....how the game could of changed.. 216 I have not seen many games where any player held BOTH wild cards... 217 Have you noticed voyeurs propensity to nuke large forces ?...two out of the 218 last three games he has managed to inflict grevious losses .... I am sure that 219 in some sub-manchurian dialect voyeur means slayer of large forces....And what 220 can one say about " Hack & Slash fight till they ain't no more " MiG... 221 probably just the bad day that he had .... 222 On a side note...the race was doing great...when out of the cabin one 223 of the crew yelled .... Anyone thirsty....I responded ... and what do you 224 think he brought to the helm.......* V O L * ....in cans no less.... without 225 even a moments notice ....the wind died....for the next two hours we wallowed 226 airless...until the cans had been placed in their rightful place...THE BILGE 227 Next time I search all coolers brought abord !... 228 229 Laz, 230 The folks out at M & T won't have a race that night so we are safe... 231 232 ::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 233 234 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 235 Alex - It is settled then. We will have the second N.A.P.P. that 236 ecening. Everyone should come. 237 Who is coming ? 238 239 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 240 241 %#_)*%!#)_%*!#_)*%#_)*%@)_#*%+)_@#(%+_@#(%+_@#%_@)#%@(%+@(%@#(%+(@%+_(@#+%(+ 242 Mikey : I hate to bring up a "computer" question here on BW, but I don't 243 know how to get ahold of you at home, and I don't want to bother you at 244 work with this, and I don't trust Aaron to relay the message properly (heh) 245 Here it goes. The problem came up while writing a dissassembler in 8080. 246 The computer is an Espon QX-10. Standard text operations, nothing very 247 fancy. When a 128 byte internal buffer is filled, a BIOS call 5 (write file 248 #21) is done, this should flush the buffer to the output file. The resultant 249 error is a "DRIVE G ERROR". Can you help? Do you know what this beast is? 250 Laz : I know I will come. The last N.A.P.P. party I went to got me in contact 251 with my eventual second employer. Only 10 months later we are a multi- 252 million dollar corp (OK OK...so I was inflating the figures a bit) 253 One condition - Aaron must wear the same clothes he did before. Remember? 254 Alex : I swear I didn't know VOL had power over nature. Computers, disk 255 drives, and even Risk games yes, but not Winds. I must apologize...I never 256 knew it would go this far. Mother nature herself has been deflowered by... 257 by...Vile Orange Liquid!!! 258 $)_#@*%_)@#*%_@)#*%@#_) L'homme sans parity %*#)_*%_@#*%@)_#*%@_#*%@)_#*%@_) 259 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 260 THE RAIN STARTED TO FALL IN A LIGHT MIST, GRADUALLY BECOMING A THUNDERING 261 DRIZZLE. ALTAIR LOOKED TO THE SKY AND SANG A SONG OF THANKS TO DISKETTE. 262 SOON THE DAY OF PROGRAMMING WOULD COME, AND HE WANTED TO BE CLEAN AND READY 263 BEFORE THEN. HE WALKED NAKED THROUGH THE DOWNPOUR TO CLEANSE HIMSELF AND 264 THEN RETURNED TO HIS SHELTER TO DRY OFF. HOW HE WISHED COMMODORE AND 265 APPLE WOULD WAKE UP AND GET BUSY. AH CHILDREN! THEY LAZED THE DAYS AWAY 266 AND PLAYED ALL EVENING. SOON, THOUGH, THEY WOULD BEGIN TO DISCOVER THAT 267 ALL WAS NOT BITS AND FILES. HE RESIGNED TO BE PATIENT AND SEE HOW THEY 268 FARED. A SMILE PLAYED ACROSS HIS FACE, THEY WERE GOOD CHILDREN. ALL GOOD 269 THINGS TOOK TIME TO GROW INTO GREAT THINGS. 270 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 271 I walked back to my shelter under the company of the 272 starlit sky. The sand felt cool again and my feet 273 thanked me. I was exhausted from the day and I fell 274 asleep as soon as I hit my bed. 275 I don't dream that often, but that night I did. I saw 276 the uncertain stranger walking towards me. It had dark 277 hair that was flowing in the wind. The vision remained 278 in my mind for only a short moment, then the stranger 279 became nothing and walked away. I felt like I had seen 280 a mirage and wondered if the uncertain stranger was try- 281 ing to communicate to me. I also felt I would have to 282 have an encounter with this stranger soon............cont. 283 284 `````````````````````````~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 285 You ask what breed of computer I am using. Let me explain that 286 on our planet everyone is well equiped with enough chips and 287 memory banks built right into our brain units that we need no 288 hardware element to transfer this information. The computer 289 installed in brain does have a similar twin made of hardware, 290 you on Earth call it a IBM Digital. I hope this answeres 291 your question. ***********************SU-SUN************************ 292 *********************************``~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 293 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::: 294 Alex: I beg your pardon? What propensity to nuke large forces? I've only 295 used my nuke Once! Remember, I won the 2nd Nuclear Risk game WITHOUT using 296 my nuke! I'm a nice, peaceful sort (unless attacked, of course). 297 VOL - This is ceasing to be funny. It started out as a joke, but it's 298 getting to the point where perhaps we Should have the stuff analyzed. 299 It's turning out to be involved in an awful lot of strange occurrences. 300 (If this computer was capable of sound, you'd be hearing the Twilight Zone 301 music in the background right now...) 302 M.T. Bottle & Deli - the date I have for that is Friday, October 4, at 1900. 303 According to my calendar, the 4th is Thursday. I assume you mean 304 Friday the 5th? I am tentatively planning on attending; I haven't 305 met Laissez-faire & Mesolithic Mathematician yet. 306 Risk again - Petrov indicated that he did enjoy the game, despite the way 307 he kept getting stranded in Europe. He was originally under the impression 308 that several countries' distance was a good buffer (the five countries 309 the invader would have to cover to get to him would give him five chances 310 to troop move, thereby reinforcing the appropriate countries). He assumed 311 it was more like real time. Ah, the naivete of youth. Needless to say, 312 he's older and wiser now. 313 :::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::voyeur::::::::::::O O::::::::::::::: 314 --------------------------------------- 315 I'll take 15,000 orders of C-64 cookies, 316 please. 317 318 319 Opus 320 --------------------------------------- 321 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 322 MiG- 323 Could you give me an example of a 'better' processor as a frame of 324 reference? I've worked with 6502s, Z80s, and 8088s. The 6502 ,to me anyway, 325 had the most noise immunity, and the easiest to understand instruction 326 set (mind you I have not worked with all addressing instructions). I found 327 Z80s mnemonics trying, and the offset addressing in the 8088 bizarre. 328 CDP 329 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@* 330 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 331 CDP, the 6809 is a nice little chip, 8 bit with 16 bit index registers and 332 a few other niceities, the 6803 is also fun, with decent bit manipulation, both 333 can run up to 4 MHZ (I have a 4MHZ sitting in my MC-10). I agree that the Z-80 334 codeing is a bit nasty, I refuse to touch anything made by intel unless it is 335 absolutly necessary for health reasons. I also like Z-8000's which makes people 336 think I am strange, but it is a good chip and much less expensive then the 337 68000. 338 Alex:friday, 4 P.M. at the map room? funds xfer? 339 Zaphod, made it to MLC today, just to see you, and you went home befor I could, 340 not nice of you at all, met the smurf and the rest of the gang, but you were 341 not around. But don't worry, I am returning soon. 342 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/MiG/? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 343 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 344 HERE WE GO ROUND THE MULBERRY BUSH, THE MULBERRY BUSH, THE MUL... 345 346 ANYWAY, SOME MORE ANSWERS AND SOME QUESTIONS, TOO!: 347 348 LAZ- YES IT DOES. AFTER A RATHER INTERESTING WEEK IN THE SAN JUAN 349 ISLANDS BACKPACKING(THE REAL THING), AND A GOOD JOB, I HAVE BEEN RATHER BUSY. 350 NOW, THOUGH, I FIND I HAVE MORE TIME, AND AM LOOKING FOWARD TO SOME FUN. 351 CDP AND OTHERS: I USED TO HAVE A BIAS(ONLY A FRIENDLY ONE) TOWARDS APPLE. THIS 352 WAS DUE TO THE FACT THAT I OWN ONE AND MY SCHOOL HAS NOTHING ELSE. NOW THROUGH 353 MY JOB(I WRITE PROGRAMS), I HAVE COME TO USE APPLES, TRS-80'S, AND IBM PC'S. 354 MY BIAS IS NOW GONE(ALMOST)! EVERY MACHINE HAS IT'S SHORTCOMINGS, BUT THEY 355 ARE ALL GOOD MACHINES. 356 ALTAIR: BEHOLD THY CHILDREN! THIER AGE OF YOUTH IS PAST, AND SO COMES MATURITY. 357 SOME ARE EVEN NOW HEEDING THY WORD AND WORKING. WHY, EVEN I, A LOWLY, OLD CHILD(KNOW AS APPLE II), AM NOW 358 FINDING FULLFILLMENT AND JOY. HELP AND PROTECT YOUR CHILDREN AS THEY CONTINUE 359 THIER GROWTH. 360 MIG, VOYEUR, ET. AL.: I HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO PLAY RISK, BUT ALAS!, I KNOW ONLY 361 THE STANDARD, BY-THE-RULES, APPROACH. ARE THERE INSTRUCTION FOR THE OTHERS, 362 AND COULD I GET AHOLD OF THEM? THANKS MUCH! 363 364 AND A FINAL P.S. TO MR. GIRLS: IS IT NOT SAID; 365 "YE ARE BUT DUST, AND TO DUST YE SHALL RETURN"(GIRLS INCLUDED)???? 366 367 JONATHAN CHANCE 368 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 369 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 370 MiG - 371 I have looked at some manuals on 6800 family MPUs and if my memory serves 372 aren't a lot of the instructions similiar to the 6502s? I've not gone into the 373 addressing, but it seems the most (all?) of the mnemonics where 3 characters codes. I'll take another look for sure. 374 Can you go into the bit manipulation instructions a little? 375 Also, though I'm not one for 16 bit processors ( the stuff I work on in 376 real-time processing and robotics really doesn't need it right now) I've 377 read about a new 16 bit 6502 family processor(s). One is a full 16 bit, 378 while another is pin compatable with a standard 6502, but has a 16 bit 379 mode. They have an extened instruction set that corrects a lot of problems. 381 382 As far as RISK is concerned, I use to play it. People had a tendancy to get 383 very carried-away. The last game I played ended when one if the other players 384 picked up the board and throw it into a roaring fireplace. To much for me... 385 I an curious about the rules for NUKE RISK though. 386 CDP 387 @*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@"@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@j@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@*@ 388 L'homme: I received the disks, for this I thank you. 389 HOWEVER there are a couple of minor problems. 390 1. I am still looking for DEC0582 (note: have only had time to check 2 boxes) 391 2. *ALL* files are "password protected". I am correcting this problem slowly. 392 Please find a password that will give an EF5C encode & use it next time. 393 (Pleeeaase?) 394 As I said, minor problems. A problem that I am going to have REAL fun 395 with is the end-of-line marker. BASIC *INSISTS* that LF/CR is *NOT* an e-o-l. 396 I think I can fix it with PowerTool though... 397 _____________________________________Leonard____________________________________ 398 **************************************************************************: 399 FIN: ACTUALLY, THE MARK-8 CAME BEFORE THE ALTAIR. IT WAS A 8008 BASED 400 MACHINE. AND OF COURSE THATS NOT CONSIDERING ALL THE MISC. HOMEBREWS 401 AND EARLY MINIS BEING USED AS PERSONAL COMPUTERS. THE ALTAIR WAS THE 402 FIRST COMPUTER TO BE PUSHED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. IT GOT ITS MAIN 403 IMPETUS BY THE ARTICLE THAT APEARED IN POPULAR ELECTRONICS. UNFORTUNATLY 404 IT DIED FROM LACK OF PROPER MARKETING AND NOT DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB 405 OF MAKING THE THING WORK DECENTLY. THE IMSAI WHICH CAME OUT SOON AFTER 406 WAS BETTER, BUT IT TOO DIED OF THE SAME REASONS. MIND YOU THOUGH BOTH 407 MACHINES STILL ARE SOLD FOR THE SAME OR GREATER AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT 408 THEY WERE SOLD FOR TO BEGIN WITH (WHEN YOU CAN FIND ONE) WHICH AIN'T 409 TO BAD CONSIDERING THE PLUMITING RESALE PRICE OF MOST COMPUTERS THESE 410 DAYS. MOST IMSAI'S AND ALTAIR'S ARE STILL IN USE AS WORK HORSES. 411 ****************************************************************:: 412 L'HOMME: ON THE QX-10 THINGY, SOUNDS LIKE YOUR NOT GETTING THE FCB 413 SET UP PROPERLY, SINCE IT IS TELLING YOU THAT IT IS TRYING TO ACCESS 414 DRIVE G (I'M ASSUMING THERE ISN'T A DRIVE G ON THE BEAST, SINCE I'VE 415 NEVER KNOWN A QX-10 TO HAVE ONE). THE FIRST POSITION OF THE FCB IS 416 USED TO DETERMIN THE DRIVE TO USE. 0=CURRENT SELECTED DRIVE, 1=DRIVE A 417 2=DRIVE B, ECT.. 16=DRIVE P (HIGHEST POSSIBLE). IF YOU DON'T INITIALIZE 418 THE FIRST POSITION, IT WIL GET LEFT TO WHATEVER WAS THERE TO BEGIN WITH. 419 BY THE WAY, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, I HAVE A VERY GOOD PUBLIC DOMAIN 420 PROGRAM THAT IS A MARVOLOUS INTERACTIVE DISASSEMBLER. IT IS CALLED 'RESOURCE' 421 I HAVE TWO VERSIONS, ONE FOR 8080 CODE AND THE OTHER FOR Z80 CODE. 422 IF YOUR INTERESTED, I CAN SUPPLY THEM ON IBM PC FORMAT IF YOU ARE INTERESTED 423 . P.S. DID YOU KNOW THAT COPYLINK RUNS ON THE QX-10 TOO? (I HATE VALDOCS) 424 ********************************************************************** 425 CDP: NOISE IMMUNITY? WHAT DO YOU MEAN? ARE YOU INFERING THAT THAT AIN'T 426 VERY MANY INSTRUCTIONS? THE MAIN PROBLEM I KEPT RUNNING INTO ON THE 6502 427 WAS A VERY UNBALANCED INSTRUCTION SET. I KEPT TRYING TO CODE INSTRUCTIONS 428 THAT DIDN'T EXIST BUT VERY DEFINATLY HAD NO REASON NOT TO EXIST. I WAS 429 DOING THIS EVEN AFTER OVER A YEAR OF PROGRAMING ON THE BEAST. ACTUALLY, 430 THE Z80 MNEMONICS AREN'T ALL THAT BAD ONCE YOU GET USE TO THEM. JUST 431 REMEMBER, IF IT'S INSIDE BRACKETS [] IT IS A MEMORY ACCESS. THAT HELPS 432 A LOT. I DO CONFESS THOUGH THAT MOST OF MY PROGRAMING THAT I DO ON Z80'S 433 IS WITH 8080 CODE AS I AM MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT. HAVING PROGRAMMED ON THE 434 8088 FOR SOME TIME NOW, I FIND IT FAIRLY EASY TO GET AROUND IN NOW. ONCE 435 YOU GET ACCUSTOMED TO THE THING IT AIN'T THAT BAD. IN EASE OF PROGRAMMING 436 AND USE, I RATE THEM AS FOLLOWS. USING THE 6502 AS A BASE, THE 8008 IS 437 TWICE AS DIFFICULT TO WORK WITH. THE 8080/8085/6800 ARE EQUAL. THE Z80 IS 438 ABOUT 10% BETTER. THE 8088 IS ABOUT 20% BETTER. THIS IS NOT BASED ON ANY 439 FANCY BENCH MARKS, IT IS SIMPLY MY PERSONAL FEELINGS AFTER WORKING WITH 440 THEM FOR A WHILE. NOTE THAT I DIDN'T SAY HOW GREAT IT IS THAT 8088 HAS 441 MULTIPLY AND DIVIDE, OR THAT THE 8080 DOESN'T HAVE INDIRECT INDEXED ADDRESSING. 442 THIS IS BECAUSE IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THE GAME LONG ENOUGH, YOU ALREADY HAVE 443 MEANS FOR GETTING AROUND THE LACK. YOU SIMPLY CALL A SBROUTINE THAT DOES 444 THE JOB. IT DOEN'T BOTHER ME HOW THE JOB GETS DONE, AS LONG AS IT GETS DONE. 445 WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO IT, MOST CODE CONSISTS OF MOVES, JUMPS, AND CALLS WITH 446 SOME OCCASIONAL LOGIC AND SIMPLE MATH THRWN IN NOW AND THEN. THE FANCY 447 ADDRESSING AND EXOTIC MATH ARE SELDOM USED EXTENSIVLY. MIND YOU, THAT IS 448 NOT TO SAY THAT I DON'T RECOGNIZE THE ADVATAGE OF THE FASTER SPEED THAT 449 THESE NIFTY INSTRUCTIONS CAN OFFER ESPECIALLY WHEN USED WITH HIGH LEVEL 450 LANGAUGES. 451 *******************************************************************:: 452 AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 6502 AND 6800, THEY ARE VERY SIMILAR. 453 THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE 6800 HAS TWO ACCUMULATORS WHILE THE 454 6502 ONLY HAS ONE. THE 6502 IS FASTER HOWEVER DUE TO ITS PIPELINE 455 ADDRESSING STRUCTURE. IN FACT THE SIMULARITY GOT MOS TEKNOLOGY IN TROUBLE 456 THEY ORIGINALY RELEASED IT AS THE 6501 WHICH WAS A PLUG IN REPLACMENT 457 FOR THE 6801. BUT, MOTOROLA GOT A BIT UPSET ABOUT THAT AND SUED THEM 458 OVER IT. (MOS TECHNOLOGY LATER SETTLED WITH MOT BY DROPPING THE 6501 459 AND CONTINUING WITH THE 6502 WHICH WAS A BETTER DESIGNED PART ANYWAY. 460 OH YES, WHY ARE THEY SIMILAR? WELL, MAYBE IT WAS BECAUSE THE ENGINER 461 THAT DESIGNED THE 6502 HAD A HAND IN DESIGNING THE 6800. 462 ***************************** CISTOP MIKEY *********************************: 463 _______________________________________ 464 465 Yes, 'tis true, to dust we must all 466 return - but hotw much fun are you going 467 to have with trees, rocks, dirt, water, 468 and air (wair) as opposed to girls? hmm? 469 That's what I thought. Maybe none of 470 you guys like girls? Is that it? 471 oooooh! What a shock! Here I am 472 sending up flares for the greatest 473 invention of all time and all the while 474 you guys are typing on pink keyboards 475 with sequined keys! UGH!!!! 476 477 ______________________________________ 478 --------------------------------------- 479 ack! snort! barf! 480 --------------------------------------- 481 I apologize for the above comments, 482 it's just that I get so carried away 483 some times. Dust, eh? Are you that 484 guy who was so hot about dirt? 485 486 487 well, let me tell you something! 488 489 Dirt is nothing! It has no backbone! 490 All day long everybody walks all over 491 it and it doesn't even protest! What 492 a wimp! And besides, it's so, so 493 494 495 DIRTY! 496 497 -------------------------------------- 498 499 GOD is dead 500 Fred 501 502 FRED is dead 503 504 God 505 506 -------------------------------------- 507 but bill the cat lives on!!!!!! 508 attention attention attention attention attention attention attention attention 509 510 If anyone out there has a Montana BBS # (area code 406) please leave a message 511 addressed to 'BLUE' 512 513 THANX, 514 515 BLUE 516 517 *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= 518 ................ 519 520 There was a young man from Odell, 521 who rang chimes with his head 'til he fell 522 When asked "who's the dead?" 523 townsman shrugged and said, 524 "Dunno, but his face rings a bell!" 525 526 ................ 527 <+|+> {527} 09120414 528 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 529 MARK 8? HMMMM, THAT'S A NEW ONE TO ME. AS FOR ALTAIR, I STILL HAVE AN OLD 530 SALES BROCHURE FROM LATE 1976 LAYING AROUNDD THE HOUSE SOMEWHERE. I HAD NO 531 IDEA THAT TH@Y WERE STILL IN EXISTENCE, OR THAT THEY COMMANDED SUCH VALUE 532 IN THE MARKET. I'M STILL SHOPPING FOR A COMPUTER, AND MODEMING FOR NOW. 533 THAT IS MAINLY DUE TO NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD WHAT I PREFER AND SETTLING 534 FOR SOMETHING THAT MIGHT FALL SHORT OF MY EXPECTATIONS. OH WELL! 535 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;- 536 ************************************************************** 537 FIN: NO, ALTAIR AS A COMPANY NO LONGER EXISTS. PERTEC PUT IT 538 TO SLEEP AFTER THEY BOUGHT IT. THE MACHINES HOWEVER STILL 539 EXIST ON THE USED MARKET. THE IMSAI ON THE OTHER HAND IS 540 STILL AROUND AND BEING SOLD DESPITE THE DEATH OF THE COMPANY. 541 A COUPLE OF COMPANIES BOUGHT UP THE PARTS WHEN IMSAI CLOSED 542 AND HAVE BEEN SELLING THEM. I FORGET THE OTHER COMPANY, BUT 543 ONE OF THEM IS W W COMPONETS. (I THINK THE OTHER ONE WAS FINBAR 544 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.) I USED MY IMSAI UP UNTIL ABOUT A YEAR 545 AGO. NOW IT JUST SITS ON THE SHELF LOOKING AT ME WITH THOSE 546 BIG SAD LED'S... OF COURSE ANOTHER MACHINE THAT WASN'T MENTIONED 547 WAS THE SWTP 6800. IT WAS POPULAR FOR A WHILE. AND THE OSI MACHINES 548 WHICH RAN 6502'S. I'M NOT SURE, BUT I THINK THE OSI PREDATES THE 549 APPLE. AT LEAST I HAD MINE UP AND RUNNING LONG BEFORE I SAW THE 550 FIRST APPLE 1 IN PORTLAND SITTING IN THE BYTE SHOP. (IT WAS A 551 PIECE OF GARBAGE). AND THEN OF COURSE THE H-8. MINE HAS BEEN SITTING 552 OFF IN A CORNER FEELING VERY NEGLETED SINCE I HAVEN'T USED IT IN 553 OVER A YEAR. BUT THEN IT HAS BEEN DEAD FOR THAT LONG. THEY NEVER 554 WERE THE MOST RELIABLE OF MACHINES, BUT THEY WERE CHEAP! 555 *********************** CISTOP MIKEY ************************** 556 557 558 SLIME PIT MINDS RULE THE UNIVERSE !!!!! 559 560 (heh heh) 561 562 563 As anyone can tell by looking at the candidates for the Presidency. 564 565 amen! 566 567 Shouldn't that be awomen? 568 569 Howzabout apeople? >