LI FILE ON MARGIN IS 80 STATUS: ENTER ONLY NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2 ******************** REMOVED: 17 AUG 84 ********************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************ 19 20 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 21 A Fresh Disk and nothing to say!!! Rats!!! 22 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& Lurker &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 23 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 24 On a table near the back, the piper was peeling shavings off a reed. 25 From time to time he would blow into the reed and listen critically to 26 27 the cawing that ensued, then pass the razor-sharp edge of his skean dubh 28 down one side or the other. Noticing that the sounds of debate had 29 faded away, and the sounds of the storytelling had not yet picked up, 30 he sighed. The ebb and flow of time at the inn imposed its own rythms 31 on the patrons -- debates surged and died, stories went charging off 32 with great abandon then disintegrated into myriad conflicts. Placing 33 the freshly trimmed reed in the chanter, the piper shouldered and winded 34 his pipes. With a slightly pensive air, he played "the Nut-Brown Maiden." 35 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 36 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 37 Stretching his legs, Laseter stood up and began to look for a palce to 38 SELL HIS GEMS. THE STREET ON WHICH HE WAS MOVING RAN SOUTH AND EAST SO HE 39 started in an easterly direction. he hoped that his hunch on their value 40 was good, for if it was he'd be set up for some time. Long enough to be 41 ready for Fin when he got there anyway. 42 43 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 44 #%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%& 45 HOW FAR BACK DO THE ARCHIVES GO ? I 46 WOULD BE INTERESTED IN AN 8-INCH VERSION 47 IN MSDOS IF FAR ENOUGH. 5.25 MIGHT BE 48 OK AS WELL. 49 #%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%&#%& 50 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 51 LURKER: YOU COULD HAVE SAID "MADE IT TO THE TOP" (SNIFF!) EVERYBODY 52 ELSE GETS TO!(WHAAAAA!!!!) 53 MIKEY: I, FINI FIN (AKA LASETER AND A FEW OTHERS), DO HEREBY SWEAR AND 54 AFFIRM TO NEVER USE THAT NASTY LITTLE TERMINAL ON THIS BBS AGIN! SEEMS 55 THE PESKY LITTLE VARMINT DOES TWO LINE FEEDS AT TIME ON A RETURN KEY. I 56 GUESS THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS FOR FREE, RIGHT? 57 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 58 59 { ^+/* ---------------- ^+/* ---------------- */+^ ---------------- */+^ } 60 Laz.-Fai.: No, I haven't had the pleasure of reading it. I don't even have 61 a motorcycle! It's also not clear from your cryptic comment exactly which 62 direction you are facing, and what you might be seeing. A Zen Master was 63 once asked, if the essence of Zen is the Three Pillars, why are so many 64 books written about it? His answer was that they are written for money. 65 Cistop Mikey: I sure agree that communications is the key to better 66 understanding between people. The idea of direct satellite transmission 67 as a vehicle for increased global understanding is an intriguing one. One 68 of the tricky parts is going to be the removal of the first order filters, 69 such as the ones that now are used to structure the network news. One of 70 the great joys of the 'backwater' is being able to read the ideas people 71 choose to express, without filtering and interpretation. Bravo!, for a 72 policy that offer the possibility of *real* communication between people. 73 No doubt, when the history books are written about this era, the computer, 74 and the ability to communicate-at-a-distance, will go down as two of the 75 most dramatic factors. They have introduced a vast potential for change. 76 With any great potential, there is the possibility of using it in a way that 77 is creative or a way that is destructive. The fact that you are reading this 78 puts you right in the middle of this process. Whether your influence is 79 large or small it does count. The rules are still very loose, but major 80 course directions are already beginning to appear. Computers can be viewed 81 as 'mind amplifiers', but what of the nature of the signal being amplified? 82 What of the filters called software? People who create computer software 83 obviously have major influence on the use domain. After all, aren't computer 84 programs 'freeze dried intelligence'? If some programmers knew just how 85 visible their thought are in the code they write, it might give them pause. 86 When you use a program you are obliged to experience the bias, concept, 87 and style of the people who created it. This means that people are going to 88 determine how these things affect our quality of life. Some of them are US! 89 It might be worthwhile to give some thought to which directions we wish to 90 support. The writing of the book of values is now being in progress... 91 { ^+/* --------------- The Mesolithic Mathematician --------------- */+^ } 92 TO THE MESOLITHIC MATHEMATICIAN: 93 DO YOU KNOW JOHN GRIFFIN? 94 WELL,I SURE DO(HINT HINT HINT) 95 96 --------------------------------UNKOWN KING------------------------------------- 98 99 Call 1-800-321-xxxx-XEROX COMPUTER SERVICE 100 Call 1-800-828-xxxx-XEROX AGAIN TWO NUMBERS 101 Call 228-xxxx or Call 228-xxxx 102 Z-100 KRCK 103 ***********************:INFORMER:******************************* 109 110 TALKING ABOUT MY GENERATION 111 *$)#*_$%!_%(!_%(!_*(%_*%_@#*_@#*^_#(^_@#(+(^_@*^_@*_^@_^@*#_^*@_@_#*^_@*^_@*^ 112 Set my camera to 'L', not R E A D Y, as some S.O.B. changed it to. Thanks. 113 *%)@#*%)*@#)*%#)@*)&%*$ L'homme sans parity *%)*%)@#*@#%@#_(_#(%@*#_%@#_%*@#_ 114 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 115 Hum, someone around here has seen fit to change a lot of little things recently. 116 My trailing boarders for example. And now L'homme's 117 Mesolithic Math:Zen and the art of motorcycle maintinance has nothing to do witx 118 what the title suggests. It is, however, a very good book. 119 MiG 120 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 121 Hum someone around here has seen fit to change a lot of little 122 things recently. 123 My trailing boarders for example.And now L'homme's 124 Mesolithic Math:Zen and the art of motorcycle maintinance has 125 nothin to do witx 126 what the title suggests. It is, however, a ver good book. 127 MiG 128 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 129 ---------------===***************COPY CATT**************===--------------------- 130 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 131 Ted, 132 You categorically state that current interest rates are not a function 133 of the market. However, by your incomplete definition that follows your 134 statement, you partialy describe the very forces that determine the market 135 and thus the rates. How can that be ?....or simply stated either they are 136 controled without regard to the market and economic conditions ......or they 137 are taken into account and are a direct result of those factors. 138 Whats wrong in attracting direct foreign investment ?. 139 If you think that just because dollars are held overseas they are not 140 an integral part of money supply....I suggest you re-read the definitions of 141 M2 & M3 both have considerable eurodollar componets. As for being taxed at a 142 lower rate...up until July 31st 84 the overseas investor was taxed at a 143 rate of 30% on any gains. Currently they are taxed on a capital gains basis. 144 Hardly a condition one could call unfair. 145 You say " These past few months the government has been pushing the 146 interest rates to artificial lows "...Where have you been ? In the last 10 147 months there have been no less than 4 prime rate movements upward. The Federal 148 Reserve has raised the discount rate at least twice. And bond yields have 149 steadily gone up...An overall condition that is not indicative of any effort 150 on the part of government to " artifically lower interest rates ". 151 On the issue of Continental, I support the bail out. The precedents 152 of Chrysler, the Hunts etc. aside. One of the major roles of government 153 is to promote economic stability. To allow a multi-billion dollar institution 154 , the fifth largest bank in our country, a major clearinghouse and 155 correspondent of a multitude of mid-western banks, to falter would be to 156 encourage economic irresponsibility. The Fed is" the lender of last resort " 157 and does so with great deliberation and reluctance. Their intervention on 158 behalf of Continental was to promote economic stability....not hinder 159 american business interests. In the final analysis without governmental 160 participation the greatest losses would of been in the private sector. 161 And within that context there can be no qualms with "government interference". 162 163 voyeur, 164 Good...now if we can only get a bloody 5211 to stick around. 165 ...I had thought that L'homme had without a doubt proved the toxic nature 166 of that vile orange substance....And yet you went ahead and used the liquid 167 ...I have recent information that Sloane Kettering is considering its 168 use for acute " Diceus Abnormalus "...a common mental aberration effecting 169 players of board games....unfortunatly after the effects wear off the 170 patient is much worse.... 171 172 Mig,........any news.... 173 174 ::::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 188 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ 189 what do people with incurble bad breath do? 190 become dentists!!! 192 193 How did the nurse punish her demanding patient? 194 She dipped her rectal thermometers in ben gay!!! 196 197 ********************************************************** the mad joker ******* 198 ............................................................................... 199 200 I would appreciate if anyone could help me with a little problem. It 201 involves MBasic, serial ports, and a modem. I am trying to read the port 202 for incoming data ( using the inp command ), or sending data, with the out 203 command. If any know how to correctly configure a port through Mbasic, and 204 also can help me with such other problems of this nature. We can communicate 205 on this system or any others such as CBBS ( 775-xxxx ). Please leave 206 a note at least on this system. Thanx - Andrew Burke ( Morby ) 207 ............................................................................... 208 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 209 Mes. Math. - Even the introduction to the book says it is not about 210 Zen, or even much about motorcycles. It is really about the 211 search of one man for Quality. An idea that was murdered by 212 Aristotle. It is indeed a 'good book', and I do recommend it to 213 you, as you seem to hold some of its precepts dear. 214 215 All - Reagan is back to a 15% lead over all in the country, and 216 has an even larger Electoral vote margin. Let's hear it 217 for economic sanity. 218 219 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ Laissez-faire ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 220 221 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 222 Copy Catt:cute, very cute. but you made several mistakes, notably the rampant 223 control characters in the boarders. And I spelled "very" with a y. 224 Alex:no go, checked all files I could get to and he doesn't seem to exist. 225 Could this be by design? 226 Frank:still out there? 227 MiG-accept no immatations, they are prosably better! 228 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 229 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 230 How can one call an economic policy that has produced the highest rate 231 of poverty in the last 30 years sane? Can one consider our huge "defense" 232 budget sane? Is building more, and more potent, weapons sound? What 233 mad reasoning can still support the concept of Mutually Assured Destruction 234 in light of the proliferation of nuclear technology and the recent report 235 on the climatic effects of limited nuclear warfare. 236 237 Sorry. You got me started on a blather. 238 Random. 239 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/<<*>> <<*>>\/\/\/\/\/\/ 240 241 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. 242 243 Andrew: Do you want to know what you can do with your ports and modems? (ha ha 244 laugh, that was a joke). 245 Have you figured it out yet? Oh, and my system won't be up at all. 246 My pascal disks though it would be funny to delete themselves then 247 blame it on the other guy. They are not to funny. It was just 248 starting to look good too. But now... 249 250 Alex: Don't your fingures ever get tired? Mine would after typing in all 251 those pages. Must that new "fingure yoga" that every one is talking 252 about. 253 254 All who| How would you go about changing your system.wrk.text into a runnable 255 might | file? I have tried but as I mentioned above, my disks don't like 256 know | me anymore. They always fill the screen with junk then say "Hit 257 about | Reset!" or they just freez up. Can you turn a workfile into an 258 Pascal | exacutable file? If not please tell me so I can stop all the fuss 259 that I'm creating. 260 261 .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .. .Mark. .. .. .. .. .. 262 263 I'M IN A BAD MOOD. 264 DON'T THREATEN ME,I MIGHT TAKE YOU UP ON IT. PROMETHEUS. 265 ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! 266 270 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 271 HIGHEST RATE OF POVERTY IN 30 YEARS?? GEE, THE LAST TIME I SAW THE 272 UNEMPLOYMENT FIGURES IT WAS THE LOWEST IT HAS BEEN FOR SOME TIME 273 PARTICULARLY SINCE JIMMY WAS RUNNING THINGS. 274 ALTHOUGH I WILL AGREE THAT BUILDING MORE NUKES TO BLOW UP THE WORLD 275 100 TIMES OVER INSTEAD OF ONLY 10 TIMES OVER TO BE SOMEWHAT QUESTIONABLE 276 IN THE SANITY DEPT., STILL NO ONE HAS COME UP WITH A BETTER IDEA 277 ON HOW TO HANDLE THE WHOLE PROBLEM. JUST STOPPING WON'T WORK, THAT MUCH 278 IS KNOWN. SOMETHING ELSE HAS TO BE FIGURED OUT TO STOP THIS MADNESS. 279 A GOOD START WOULD BE TO FIRE ALL THE LEADERS OF THE MAJOR COUNTRIES 280 AND REPLACE THEM WITH PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT THE JOB. THAT AND CHANGE 281 PEOPLE ONCE A YEAR WOULD GO A LONG WAY TOWARDS STABLIZING THINGS. UNFORTUNATLY 282 IT WILL SIGNIFACANTLY REDUCE PROGRESS AND A SIGNIFICANT LOSS OF CONTROL 283 WILL OCCUR UNLESS A VERY SOLID STRUCURE IS SETUP TO CONTROL THINGS. 284 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 285 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 286 Alex:I hafe the disks you mentioneD that you needed. give me A ring 287 when you can and we can arange xfer of files. It is a 4 disk set. 288 MiG 289 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 290 :::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 291 MiG: gee, your messages aren't exciting to read anymore - you seem to 292 have straightened out your modem. Oh well, from past experience, 293 it won't last. 294 ::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::voyeur:::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::::::: 295 296 297 FROM HAWTHORNE: THE AGRAVATED 298 MAN IN GRAY; FORGET VOYEUR. I STILL FIND YOUR ENTRIES EXCITING BUT, THEN AGAIN MY MODEM KEEPS THROWING AN OFF-LINE AT ME 299 EVERY ONCE AND A WHILE TO KEEP ME INTERESTED. 300 FOR HE WHO ASKED; PCC FREIND; LAURINDA MCKINLAY. TAKING PASCAL ,COBOL ,CALCULAS ,AND ASSORTED OTHERS COURSES. KNOW HER? 301 ALEX; I'M STILL IN(DON'T EVER THREATEN ME AGAIN,DREERA)AND DO SO WISH TO BE. DISKINGS ARE OUT OF THE QUESTION. PRINTOUTS? 302 303 IT'S EARLY AND I HAVEN'T SLEPT IN THREE DAYS SO I DON'T TRUST MY EYERS, EARS, NOSE AND THROAT AS MUCSH AS EYE USED TO. 304 MIG- WHERE ARE YOU WHEN I NEED YOU? 305 GOOD BYE NOW,EVERY ONE AND I THINK MYADRENALINEJUSTRANOUT. 306 PROMETHE,YOU KNOW THE REST. 307 BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE. 308 <+|+> {308} 08150431 309 ############################################################################ 310 311 To the missguided defender of RAYGUN above. 312 Why don't you open your eyes and mind???You appear to be somewhat inteligent 313 ,at least in your entries (ie: spelling, punctuation etc.) but your attitude 314 in regards to your fellow human beings leaves a lot to be desired. The 315 poverty level is indeed up, from 9% in '79 to 15% now. Un-employment is also 316 still higher than in '79 in spite of what the RAYGUN administration would 317 like you to believe. Interest rates are a direct result of the Federal 318 spending not of Wall Street. The federal reserve has kept the lid on somewha 319 in spite of RAYGUN. If it wasn't for Volker we'd probably be at 25% 320 unemployment and 30% interest on morgtages. Our drugstore cowboy in the 321 Whitehouse is suffering from incurable 322 "I can do no wrong" syndrome and has not 323 been able to see the country beyond his own limited views 324 325 A vote for another four years of this fiasco is a vote for nuclear war and 326 a return to the middleages, right wing born-again attitudes. We need to go 327 back to the 1800's like we need to have dioxin in our drinking water. 328 329 #################C.Y.M.##############################LIFE LONG DEMOCRAT & 330 PROUD OF IT!!!!!######################## 331 332 333 { ^+/* ---------------- ^+/* ---------------- */+^ ---------------- */+^ } 334 Just a few quick replys. I'll save the raving for another time. 335 UNKNOWN KING: If you refer to the one called 'barefoot' I have had some 336 'remote' encounters, if you get my drift! By the way isn't your name 337 somewhat of a dichotomy in terms? 338 Laissez-faire: I'm sure it's a good book but I'd be more interested in 339 hearing what you think about such ideas. You sure hit the nail on the 340 head about Aristotle. I believe he also has the dubious distinction of 341 being the first in recorded history to place the accomplishments of 342 technology at the hands of political power, to wage war! Yes, Quality 343 is one value that I feel is worth supporting. 344 MiG: I'd be very interested in what your thoughts and ideas are concerning 345 such values as the ones expressed in the book. 346 { ^+/* --------------- The Mesolithic Mathematician --------------- */+^ } 347 348 ;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;;--;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 349 OH PLEASE! NOT RONNIE AGAIN!! I CONSIDERED ANY INDIVIDUAL IN THE "HOTSEAT" 350 AS BEING SOMEWHAT QUESTIONABLE IN THE FIRST PLACE. I ASK THE FOLLOWING OF 351 ANY AND ALL: 352 1.WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO THE IRANIAN HOSTAGE "CRISIS"? 353 2.DO YOU FEEL FORMER PRESIDENT CARTER PERFORMED ADEQUATELY DURING THIS PERIOD? 354 3.WOULD YOU "BUY" A USED VICE PRESIDENT FROM HISS ADMINISTRATION? 355 4.DO YOU HONESTLY FEEL THAT MR. MONDALE IS GOING TO MAKE THINGS BETTER IF HE 356 GETS ELECTED? 357 I COULD GO ON, BUT I'VE LITTLE TASTE FOR DISCUSSING OUR SOMEWHAT DUBIOUS 358 "CHOICES" FOR A NATIONAL LEADER THIS YEAR. HAD THE DEMOCRATS PRODUCED A WOMAN 359 WITH THE PROPER CREDENTIALS FOR PRESIDENT I MIGHT BE EXICTED ABOUT WHAT MY 360 PARTY HAS TO OFFER. HOWEVER, I'M GETTING RERUNS FROM THE LATE SEVENTIES. SIGH! 361 AS FOR UNCLE RONNIE, I CAN ONLY SAY THAT THE MAN HAS DONE SOME VERY GOOD THINGS 362 FOR US, (I'M WORKING AGAIN) AND SOME PRETTY STUPID THINGS ALSO. JUST HEARD 363 HE HAD THE AUDACITY TO DECLARE WE PASSED LEGISLATION BANNING THE USSR. THANKS 364 A BUNCH!! REMEMBER, THE SOVIET PEOPLE HEAR ONLY WHAT THE KREMLIN SAYS AND I 365 WILL BET A BUCK THEY WILL HAVE A FIELD DAY WITH THIS! 366 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;FIN;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-; 367 368 $%$%$ MIG - Yes, I'm still here. Did you miss me? Frank $%$%$ 369 370 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 371 372 FIN - You are right, they are having a field day with this. But I will admit 373 it was a pretty stupid remark. But every one has the opportunity to 374 stuff his mouth with foot now and then. 375 376 M.M. - I feel that the concept of arete' as espoused by the sophists that 377 were so violently attacked by Aristotle was most illuminating. 378 That was a major turning point in history and evolution. Prior 379 to that time most thought was governed by the right hemisphere of 380 the brain. Since that time, with the advent of applied reason, 381 most thought has been governed by the left brain. The left brain 382 is called the 'rational side' of the mind, while the right brain 383 is referred to as the 'feeling' side of the brain. 384 We may have reached a point in human history that will force a 385 return to pre-Aristotelian thinking. I do not know if that is true 386 or not, but it seems that something will happen. Soon. 387 The Christians among us (Deborah comes to mind) do not feel that 388 a nuclear war is possible, and perhaps they are right. I do not 389 know, being an agnostic. I am leaning towards Christianity, 390 however, as it seems a good way to cope with the fear. 391 392 Others - Reagan has done an admirable job with the economy. My money 393 value has stabilized, any one who WANTS to work has a job available 394 to him/her, and a new wave of self and country esteem is 395 spreading through the nation. Not a bad bunch of accomplishments. 396 397 ^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$ Laissez-Faire $^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^$^ 398 399 WE ARE ALL AGNOSTICS. SOME OF US ARE HONEST ENOUGH TO ADMIT IT. 400 WE ARE CALLED PRAGMATISTS, AMONG OTHER THINGS. OTHERS ARE NOT 401 HONEST ENOUGH TO ADMIT THEIR AGNOSTICISM. THEY ARE CALLED 402 CHRISTIANS, AMONG OTHER THINGS. THEY BELIEVE IT IS RIGHT, HOLY 403 ETC, TO CONVERT OTHERS TO THEIR SYSTEM OF BELIEF BY INSTILLING 404 FEAR IN THEM. FEAR OF SPENDING A VERY LONG TIME IN A VERY HOT 405 PLACE.THIS IS PARTICULARLY TRUE IF YOUNG IMPRESSIONABLE CHILDREN. 406 SOME 'CHRISTIANS', IE OTHER BRANCHES OF RELIGIOUS DOGMA LIKE 407 MUSLIMS, ISLAMICS,ETC, BELIEVE THAT THOSE WHO DISAGREE WITH THEM 408 SHOULD BE PUT TO DEATH, AS DID THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH. IF 409 SOMEONE SPEAKS OUT AGAINST US, THEN SILENCE THEM. PUT THEM TO 410 DEATH, LEST PEOPLE START TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES. THINK 411 ABOUT IT. THE 'CHURCHES' HAVE BEEN RESPONSIBLE FOR MANY TIMES 412 MORE DEATHS,TORTURE,BROKEN FAMILIES, WRECKED LIVES, THAN 413 HITLERS WERMACHT. 414 TIMES CHANGE. PEOPLE WILL NOT STAND FOR HANGING SUSPECTED 415 HERETICS. (CONFESS THOU ART A WITCH, OR WE WILL HANG THEE. 416 "AND IF I CONFESS? " "WHY, WE WILL HANG THEE".) 417 PEOPLE HAVE LEARNED TO THINK, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEIR THINKING 418 DONE FOR THEM BY SELF APPOINTED 'SAVIOURS WHO HIDE BEHIND THEIR 419 PULPUTIC BASTIONS OF HYPOCRICY. 420 MORE LATER?? THE PHANTOM PHILOSOPHER 421 ;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-;-- 422 Yes, the taste of athletes foot should be a familiar on to all. I can't say 423 I've relished my share. No doubt some would say it's a step in the lessons 424 ################################################################################ 425 PHANTOM PHILOSOPHER: WHY DID YOU CHANGE YOUR NAME FROM DEMIAN II TO PHANTOM 426 PHILOSOPHER? I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY YOU CHANGED FROM C.Y.M. TO DEMIAN BUT 427 I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS LATEST CHANGE. MAX 428 ################################################################################ 429 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 430 Mesolithic Math:It was long ago that I read it, I shall dig it out again and 431 see what I can remember after reading some of it again. 432 Voyeur:Gee, thanks, but that last message looked a little ragged to me 433 as I had to change 1 line 4 times before my modem would let me get by with 434 only a few errors. 435 Frank:I was just wondering why you had not made any replies to what is being 436 said here. I find your opinions to be of value in forming my own. 437 Hawthorn:Why are you angered? If you don't wish to tell the world, get on PCS/ 438 CBBS under a name I can deal with typing, and start a conversation? 439 I am sure by now that you know how to send private mail. 440 Political folk:I would love to reply, but I have to go to the unemployment 441 office now. 442 MiG 443 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 444 ................................................................................ 445 As for Reagan sticking a foot in his mouth, it was some more than that, it 446 was a whole shoestore. I agree that Reagan's stands on economic issues are 447 more likely to keep this country's economy afloot. But we must realize that 448 good ol' Ronnie might just get us all killed, and then who cares about 449 the economy. I believe that Reagan is completely out of touch with certain 450 issues, mainly U.S. - U.S.S.R. relations. Someone who calls Russia " the 451 evil empire " is definately a threat. His ideas would not be so bad, 452 providing that he were in the old actors home in a position of no authority, 453 as opposed to holding the key to nuke the world. We cannot have someone 454 in office who believes that the Soviet Union must be exterminated, because 455 to attempt this would be signing our own death warrant. Good ol' Ronnie just 456 lives in a psuedo reality when people get killed, they come to life agin 457 once the filming stops. He may not directly believe this, but it is my opinion 458 that this idea lurks in the back of his head. 459 The other problem is that Ron is really just to old. He has lived a great 460 long life, so what does he care if the world is ruined after he departs 461 and goes to heaven. Of course he does not directly believe this, but again 462 it lurks in the back of his head. I cannot accept a President that no 463 matter how good his economic policies are, that has brought on the worst 464 relations towards the Soviet Union in quite some time, if not ever. This 465 is not to say that I like Mondale at all ( I don't ), but while the economy 466 suffers, at least we have better chances of being in existance. Having 467 a previously wonderful economy in a place that is radioactve wasteland 468 is bullshit ( excuse the language please ). Being unconfortably dead 469 is not a better state for this country and the world, besides the fact 470 that it doesn't appeal to me. 471 Anyone want to help me with the MBasic problem? 472 I have said enough - Andrew 473 ................................................................................ 474 RAINdeer was a slick operation-the land, buildings, farm equipment,and a fleet 475 of white edsels (symbol of pure idiocy according to L'homme) bespoke a large 476 capital base. It was a great arrangement. The Rajneeshies were happy to 477 devote their wealth and energies to Dangerfield and he was happy to take 478 them. The followers got spiritually fulfilled and dangerfield got rich and 479 powerful. What a deal. But I had to envy them. I sometimes despised my 480 rigorous intellect which prevented the blissful unreasoning surrender of 481 blind faith. 482 "That building's hot," L'homme broke my thoughts. HOT??? 483 Ma Prem had left us to arrange the meeting with the Head Consul. A slender 484 dark-eyed girl walked over to L'homme. "Terrific camera," she said loudly. 485 Then, softly and quickly, "You are alll in danger. Don't look in that 486 building. Don't even try. You must leave now. Please..." Her huge eyes 487 widened, "take me with you. I will find you when it is time." She turned 488 and was gone. 489 "Gosh," said Josh. 490 Rivers suddenly appeared. Had she seen? Her face was a mask of serenity. 491 We hurried to the Head Consul chambers. As we crossed a narrow opening be- 492 tween two buildings, We were engulfed in a pervasive rumbling sound. A 493 huge tractor was almost upon us. I plastered myself to the wall beside us, 494 but Ma Prem froze facing the enormous machine. Joshua tackled her and 495 shoved her into a doorway. The tractor trundled past us and crashed into one 496 of the barns. We scrambled up to the driver, a tall dark man with a thick 497 greying mustache and a ragged hole in his left temple. Rivers' face was 498 contorted with shock and grief. "Blackwell," she gasped. "Oh, God - not 499 Blackwell." 500 TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Gaudy Minsky TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT 501 ____________________________________________________________________________ 502 Andrew : Good god! Do you really believe what you write? I am bewildered 503 that anyone could think thusly. "In the back of his mind"? Get serious! 504 Do you really think that because someone is old they have less of a zest 505 for life? Do you really believe that the old don't care about the future 506 since they have lived what you call a "long" life? Be rational about it. 507 CYM : "There you go again". As abusive as ever. It never ceases to amaze me 508 how people who utilize technology nearly always return to their primal 509 instincts of attack attack attack, abuse, abuse, abuse when using said 510 technology. Your voice is a heated one. Hot, but devoid of maturity. Can 511 you really be honest about feelings without insulting? Can you deal with 512 others on an equal level? I think not. You have never demonstrated any 513 sign of temerance. Your entries simply remind the rest of us that there 514 are dangerous people out there. People to be avoided. People who must be 515 feared because that little timebomb in their head could go off at any 516 moment. I hope I am nowhere near you when that huge chip you seem to be 517 carrying around on your shoulder falls off. The damage is unthinkable. 518 Phantom Philosopher : Your anti-religious stand has an interesting tone 519 to it. You too sound like someone who has been hurt be religion sometime 520 in the past, and you are extracting revenge with the pen by overreacting 521 to religious issues. Your convictions are strong, but so to are those who 522 would fight you. You may sing your song of anger loud and strong, but for 523 the most part it will fall on deaf ears. There can be no re-alignment now. 524 It is far too late hundreds of years before you were born. 525 L.F. and M.M. : Of all the discussions I read on here of late, only yours 526 resembles the sputterings of logical man. You contemplate the origins 527 of neo-political thinking, and equate them with the adjustment of thought 528 method. That is an interesting course, abliet incorrect though. Poor 529 ancient Greek philosophers, while possibly basking in the light of your 530 credits, would hardly take true credit for the things you say. As any 531 anthropologist would know, mans adjustment to his environment is not 532 wrought out of sudden change brought on by a single thought, but is changed 533 through the years by continuous social pressures. These pressures come from 534 the need to change in the first place. A vicious circle no? There can be no 535 greater need for change than danger to a life-threatening situation. The 536 change itself, magnified many times by the passing years becomes the new 537 standard, until it too must be modified. The changes you so adeptly pointed 538 out are merely the current response to our environment. Man is on the move. 539 He will not stagnate. It is impossible given the history and conditioning 540 of man. Change is as inevitable as the change in tides. Credit for change 541 must be given to Man himself, not individual men. Men may modify eddys, 542 but Real change was wrought in the hearts and minds of the human creature 543 at creation. 544 I have taken a great deal of time now, but I felt I must respond to the 545 slings and arrows of my fellow user. You may or may not hear more from 546 me, for I have done my stated purpose. If you care to answer my word, 547 then address your replies to Mellow Man. 548 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- 549 them as I see them. I have been around this world quite a while and I can 550 probably read the writing on the wall (as well as between the lines) a lot bette 551 than most. I've lived under both Democratic & Republican administrations 552 and been of voting age in the last 9 elections. Never before has the country 553 been in worse shape (financially & moraly) The present occupant of the 554 presidency is undoubtably the worst we have ever endured. I never thought 555 I'd say it but where is Nixon now. Even Nixon wasn't so insensitive to the 556 American people ' 557 558 At least he did resign!!!! 559 560 ##############C.Y.M.##################################8/15/84 6:04pm############ 561 <+|+> {561} 08151848 562 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ 563 The pity is, all this talk, talk, talk, won't change a THING. 564 565 As for instantaneous global communication, I see this as a effective step 566 toward univeral tolerance. To remove myth and fear from people's 567 perceptions of others is to acheive freedom. How does the Kremlin retain 568 power? Mostly by force, but partly by guile: "Those profit hungry imper- 569 ialistic madmen will destroy us! If we don't ... blah, blah". No doubt 570 many Russians believe. And we hear like words from Washington. The greater 571 reach we have as individuals the greater chance we have to show ourselves 572 as loving and alive. I believe we will have the opportunity to remove the 573 myths and fears we hold. That we will do it in my lifetime, however, is 574 doubtful. 575 576 577 Religion: I gave up the god myth. '' '' 578 /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/<* > <* >/\/\ 581 WELL, IS ALL THAT STUFF ABOVE DONE? WHAT WAS IT? LINE FEEDS? 582 MELLOW MAN. WRONG. I AM NOT A PERSON WHO WAS "HURT" BY RELIGION 583 I AM A PERSON WHO HAS SEEN A LOT OF OTHERS HURT BY RELIGION. 584 WHAT I WAS ATTEMPTING TO SAY IS THAT I BELIEVE IN A LITTLE TRUTH 585 IN PROSELYTIZING (LOOKED IT UP, LOAM), LIKE WE NOW HAVE IN LENDING. 586 YES, I WAS EXPOSED TO RELIGION AS A CHILD, BY A VERY GREAT MAN. 587 A MINISTER. MY FATHER. HE TAUGHT ME THAT HIS BELIEFS WERE NOT 588 NECESSARILY EVERYONES BELIEFS. I LEARNED TO THINK FOR MYSELF. 589 NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIE, STEAL, CHEAT, LITERALLY KIDNAP 590 COERCE, THREATEN, ETC ETC, ANYONE 591 ELSE IN ORDER TO 'CONVERT' THEM TO THEIR BELIEFS. BUT THEY DO. 592 EVERY DAY. RELIGION HAS IT'S PLACE IN THIS WORLD. CHURCHES 593 DO COUNTLESS GOOD FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE. I HAVE NO QUARREL 594 WITH SUCH. WHAT I AM OPPOSED TO IS THE "DO THIS, THAT, AND 595 WHATEVER ELSE, OR GOD WILL SEND YOU TO HELL".WHAT DISGUSTS ME IS 596 RELIGION FOR A PRICE. CATHOLOCISM EG. EXCOMMUNICATION 597 WHICH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS A NE WAY TICKET TO THE RIVER STYX. 598 WHAT I DO NOT LIKE ARE THE ORAL ROBERTS, L. RON HUBBARDS, SUN MYUNG MOONS 599 ETCETCETC. NOW DO YOU UNDERSTAND? MAX. WRONG.I AM NEITHER.PHANTOM PHILOSOPHER. 600 601 602 00000000000000000000000 NULL SET 0000000000000000000000000000000 603 604 "OMEGA SIX,OMEGA SIX! ARE YOU CAPABLE OF RECEIVING ME?" 605 FOR THE MOMENT, I CIRCLED THE GUARDTOWER'S OF THE ENCAMPMENT 606 AND THANKED STILETTO FOR SILENCE MODIFIED MINICOPTERS. 607 STATIC, AND MORE STATIC. THIS MADE TWO DAYS OMEGA HADN'T MADE 608 IT TO HIS TRANSMITTER. THIS WAS TOTALLY UNLIKE THE AGENT I KNEW. 609 I THOUGHT BY NOW WE WOULD HAVE TWO TOP HEAVY FEMALES IN A OUT 610 OF THE WAY CANTINE, AND WORKING OUR WAY THROUGH THE LIQUOR SELE- 611 CTION. 612 "OMEGA SIX,IF YOU RECEIVE,FUEL LOW HEADING BACK TO CLEARNG." I 613 CHOKED BACK A LUMP IN MY THROAT AND SAID I'D BE BACK SOON. 614 IF I'D HAVE TRIED FOR FIVE OR SIX MOMENTS LONGER I COULD HAVE 615 MADE OUT A CRY,AND A PLEA FOR MY HELP. BUT I ALSO WOULD HAVE 616 CRASHED INTO THE GUARDS BARRACKS SO I LEFT MY FREIND AND BARELY 617 GOT BACK TO THE CLEARING WITH AN EIGHTEENTH OF A CELL LEFT IN MY 618 POWER SUPPLY. 619 STILETTO AND MISS WAINWRIGHT, BOTH ASKED IN UNISON "ANYTH..." 620 THEIR VOICES TRAILED OFF WHEN, I GUESS, THEY SAW ME FROWN. 621 622 00000000000000000000000 NULL SET 0000000000000000000000000000000 623 624 V 625 V5V 626 VVVVV 627 NULL SET: OMEGA CAN'T HEAR YOU. HE HAS BEEN UH, WELL, HE HAS 628 DISAPPEARED. WASSIR: HAR HAR. WELL, I CAN TAKE A JOKE. MEANWHILE 629 WHERE ARE YOU? DELTA FIVE >