LI FILE ON MARGIN IS 80 STATUS: ENTER ONLY NUMBER OF LINES: 622 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask... 2 ******************* REMOVED: 18 JUL 84 ********************* 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION 6 PLACED ON THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privately owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. As the system is 10 privately owned, I retain the right to remove any and all messages which 11 I may find offensive. Because of the limited size of the system, it will be 12 periodically purged of messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 13 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out of the 14 ENTER mode. The message is automatically stored. If after entering the 15 message you find you made a mistake, use the replace command to replace 16 the line. To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 17 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 18 ************************************************************ 19 20 [=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=] 21 Looking down at the cozy valley below, it seemed very 22 familiar. I wonder why that should be, for I have not to my 23 recollection been in this land before. Ah well, no matter. 24 I notice a bit of smoke lazily curling up from an old 25 building sitting beside a small stream that twinkled and 26 glittered in the warm afternoon sun. Hmm, habitation. Perhaps 27 I can find lodging there for a bit. Taking my rumpled hat off 28 to let the gentle breeze cool me off a bit, I wipe the 29 accumulated dust and perspiration from my brow. Then donning it 30 once more, I set off towards the tell-tale column of smoke. 31 Soon the sparse scraggly growth has been replaced by 32 towering firs and majestic oak, and I find myself deep within a 33 dark forest that closes in over my head. No longer able to see 34 the gray smoke rising like a twisted steel column, I must rely 35 on my own innate sense of direction to guide me. 36 I find myself in a dilemma however as the forest becomes 37 nearly impassible as it snatches at me leaving sticky trails 38 across my skin and brambles in clothes. I must turn to the 39 north where it does not grow so thick and I will have a better 40 chance of finding a path. I only hope I don't lose my way 41 completely. 42 Finally after a long and tedious trek, I come upon a small 43 stream winding through the forest heading west. Ah ha, at 44 last, I do believe that this is the stream I observed passing 45 near the building, all I need do is follow it now, and I should 46 find it. 47 Following along side of the stream, I find the going much 48 easier then had been through the forest. Near an outcroping of 49 rock I see some footprints. So!, someone else has followed 50 this trail too. Near each right foot is a small depression 51 probably made by a walking stick. Perhaps I will meet this 52 individual, it is always nice to meet a fellow traveler. 53 Then, up ahead, a small foot bridge. At last a real road! 54 Climbing up the crumbling bank, I reach the end of the well 55 worn span, and looking across I see my destination, the 56 building with the smoke ever rising from the stone chimney. 57 Setting out across the bridge, I head towards the building. As 58 I approach, I see that it is a Inn. So, Indeed I will be able 59 to obtain lodging here. A pleasent prospect to be sure. 60 Nearing the Inn, I spy a Rowan tree by the entrance. Very odd, 61 that is definitely not a normal tree to encounter in these 62 parts, someone obviously has planted it here. I wonder who has 63 done this and what their purpose for doing so was. Perhaps 64 someone at this Inn will know of its story. 65 Looking up at the sign, I see the name of this meager 66 establishment; 'Backwater Inn', Hmm, suitable name that's for 67 sure. Stepping up to the entrance, I grasp the worn brass knob 68 and open the door. I know this place, I am sure of it, I just 69 don't know from where. Very strange. 70 [=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=]>M'Lan[=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=][=] 71 0707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707 72 NAYKR OYSVU HLHES VYBJT ONJHS CWBUD LIYGS NGXIU EWLNP SJFWT XYLPK EJOVW NAYGW MAFUT EFLXI LTMSA XSWQA IWEZB AYLYM 73 TQDVN ZAFVR MYXOE TMRPI GNTJO SPOGX MNXPL RCRPX QSVLE LFRTX AYPMI TIVJT ZTKLC ZTKGR BMFSN CTDMI ATWLR GNGCP TXIVU 74 RDEGG WRQSE ZEGUS WSGPL 75 0707070707070707070707070707070707070 The 15th of July, Year of our Lord, 1984, at 11:06 and 42 seconds, in the PM 0707 76 77 %&)#&%@)#&%)@&^)!$^*^)$@*^)*^_$*^)&^)&^)#&^)&^)#$&^)!&$^)&^)*^_%^_*^)&#^)#&^)#^& 78 Alex:I too wish to thank you and your wife for being such fine hosts for the 79 Risk Game. It was very enjoyable, and I too think our group proved to 80 mesh quite well considering this is the first time we had risked playing 81 together. Thank you also for the Nuclear Risk instructions. I was going 82 to give you a call and ask for a file xfer, but you have saved me the 83 trouble. I have already interested some other riskers in the option. 84 I have not found the white pieces yet, but I will keep on looking. One 85 question...is the extra path to Aussie land necessary. What have you 86 found? 87 Anti-Nuke Protesters: In our game of Nuclear Risk, it was proven that the 88 dominating force doesn't necessarily need to be the one using the 89 his or her nuclear resource. Just let the other little countries use 90 their weapons to destroy each other, and then sweep onward to total 91 global domination. So there will be a few dirty sections on the globe, 92 but hey, that's where you can send the criminals! Remember, the only 93 good nuke is a nuke heading to your enemy's silo site. 94 Mikey:We have 3/5ths of the money in one location. Well...I tried... I'll 95 give you a call at US D. when I have the whole amount. 96 Rocky: Are you out there??? 97 &)%$*)%*$#)%$#*%)$#%$#*% L'homme sans parity - La victoire est doux! *)#%*@)%*@ 98 ********************************************************************* 99 Alex I'd like to add my thanks for the hosting of the Risk game. Sorry 100 I couldn't stay for the nuclear version. Thanks also for the rules you 101 posted. I hard copied them and will stick them in with one of my sets. 102 *********************************** Whisper ***************************** 103 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 104 Hunter sat quietly in the comfortable chair back of McKanes desk. It had been 105 8 hours now and he expected that soon the office crew would start arriving, 106 followed not too much later he hoped by McKane himself. It would be nice to 107 see the guy again. It had been ten years since he and McKane had broken 108 out of that Albanian jail and skipped the country carrying twenty million 109 in cash. He wondered whether McKane had any WORK that he wanted done. 110 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ HUNTER @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 111 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 112 The piper was sitting alone at a table off to one side of the common room. 113 He had disassembled his pipes on the table, and had been working for some time 114 around a nearly full mug of the inn's best ale. Intent on wrapping hempen 115 cord around the base of one of his drones, he nearly knoked the mug over with 116 a move of his arm, muttered something quietly under his breath, and paused for 117 a moment. He quickly drank the ale in the mug, then began assembling his pipes. 118 Just as he finished, the door began to open -- the person entering was 119 greeted by the painful sound of the untuned pipes. Apologetically, the pipr 120 quickly tuned the drones, than swung into a few sprightly dance tunes to 121 welcome another stranger. 122 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 123 124 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 125 I heard some mention of a printout of the BW archives--Is this still a 126 viable option? If so, would be interested in contributing $ toward that 127 end. I have a printout of BW everyday since May 26, with only one 128 exception. Am VERY interested in getting a printout prior to May 26. 129 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Duffy $$$$$$$$$$$$ 130 $%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$ 131 When I decided to make my relationships with young 132 boys open to discussion I anticipated that you'd respond the 133 way you did...with anger, verbal abuse, and denial. I had 134 hoped to receive at least one intelligent response but was 135 disappointed. 136 Apparently you people lack the sophistication to discuss 137 complex issues intelligently. None-the-less, I promised I'd 138 respond and I will. 139 Alex - What do you see as the alternative to 140 "hypocritically facing society under a facade of normalacy" 141 when honesty creates the kinds of abuse I've received at 142 Backwater? I am what I am. I can admit it and be persecuted 143 or keep quiet and live my life. What would you do in my shoes? 144 It's interesting that the wording of the abuse I've 145 received here is EXACTLY the same as that used against 146 homosexuals ten years ago. Homosexuality is now accepted 147 because the gay community became organized, politicized, and 148 learned the techniques for "educating" the public. 149 The reason adult/child love is still hated, as homosexual 150 love once was, is because we haven't come out of the closet in 151 enough numbers to have an impact. If, as the experts say, one 152 in four children has had sexual contact with an adult then 153 there must be an awful lot of us. 154 Someday, learning from the experience of the homosexuals, 155 we will come out in enough force to take our stand. Then we 156 will "educate" you so well that you will tolerate us as you 157 now tolerate those you once hated as "fags". 158 As to your assumptions about the "natural tenents of 159 sexual development", you don't know what your talking about. 160 You imply that you have scientific evidence that your way is 161 the right way, but in fact no such evidence exists. If I am 162 wrong, produce it. 163 I agree that "if it feels good, do it" is the worst 164 rationalization for perversity around. However, I neither said 165 or implied that. You made it up, then quoted me as saying it. 166 This leads me to believe that you are either intellectually 167 unsophisticated or immature. 168 GUEST - Where did you "study the habits of pedophiles", 169 who did you study under, and why? Perhaps we have more in 170 common than you admit. 171 Does it give you a sense of superiority to tack the 172 clinical terminology of pedophilia on me? Using clinical 173 jargon to label alternative lifestyles as sick is a strategy 174 that was used very effectively to persecute homosexuals. 175 Oddly enough, when homosexuals developed political clout 176 the American Psychiatric Association suddenly discovered that 177 they weren't sick at all. That it was all a big misunder- 178 standing and that it was an alternative lifestyle after all. 179 The same will eventually be true for "pedophiles". 180 Who knows, maybe someday we'll even have a pedophile 181 pride day, complete with parade and political speeches. 182 Had you "studied pedophilia" more closely you wouldn't 183 find it unusual we're attracted to where the boys are. Boy 184 Scout camps, video archades, church groups, are all good 185 places to make friends. 186 Just to set the record straight. I didn't say my boys 187 initiated the relationship. I said that once the relationship 188 was going they initiated sex. It's a difference you would have 189 caught if you were paying more attention to my words and less 190 to your emotions. 191 TO EVERYONE - OK gang, you guys are always bitching 192 because there's never a good debate. Well, you wouldn't know 193 a good debate if it smacked you in the face. 194 You want your discussions safe, and clean, and wholesome. 195 You want pat answers and easy solutions to problems you don't 196 begin to understand. You want to pontificate, to be self 197 righteous, to show off your fancy educations so long as no one 198 requires you to THINK. 199 Well that's not good enough. This is a tough issue that 200 requires intelligence, compassion, understanding, and clear 201 thinking...qualities you haven't shown so far. 202 Since this is an issue that hasn't hit the popular press 203 you can't fall back on plagarizing the editorial page of the 204 Oregonian. This one will require some original thought, 205 that's assuming, of course, that your fancy educations haven't 206 totally destroyed your ability to think. 207 208 Frank 209 210 $%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$%$ 211 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 212 The piper stopped playing for a few moments, thought briefly, 213 then decided to risk a reply. 214 "Frank -- I appreciate your attempting to initiate a dialog. However, 215 I find it hard to sympathize with your position. Perhaps I am conditioned 216 by my social background such that I have difficulty in relating to 217 alternative life styles, but feel that I must point out several things. 218 (1) Pedophilia is illegal. If you feel that that illegality is unjust, 219 then you can emulate Thoreau and say from the comfort of a cell, 220 "the place for a just man is in prison." 221 (2) You can attempt to change those laws that you feel are unjust. If 222 indeed, this is your aim -- it is laudable, but I will oppose you 223 with every means that I have available. 224 (3) You can suppress those impulses that society finds unlawful. 225 (4) You can indulge with the concomittant possibility of being caught. 226 227 You must make your own decisions -- neither I nor anyone else will 228 make them for you. I can only make my decisions as to my reaction if 229 your actions impinge upon my life. If they do -- I then must make a 230 moral decision as to my actions. Not having faced the problem, I cannot 231 tell you how I would react if you approached one of my children. 232 I suspect that the reaction would not be pacific, however. By extension, 233 I would oppose changing the laws to make your actions legal. However, 234 my reactions to your activity as they relate to my children would be 235 apart from, although taking into account, existing laws. 236 On the same vein, should you murder one of my children (another act 237 regarded with disdain by our society that I have considered) my reaction 238 would be -- perhaps not swift -- but would preclude the repition of 239 that act. I would kill you in cold blood. I will give some thought to 240 my reactions to your other actions. 241 --the piper 242 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 243 244 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ 245 FRANK: using the 'acceptance' of homosexuality as a basis for the acceptance 246 of your perversion is like comparing feces with shit. 247 'Normal', you say? From an evolutionary standpoint, both homosexuality 248 and pedophilia (since the word has already been introduced) are 249 counter-productive. Nature doesn't stay with counter-productive experiments 250 Much as homosexuality disgusts me, what you engage in is worse. At least 251 homosexuality is between consenting adults, whose psyches have already 252 been formed. Children, on the other hand, are still learning and being 253 shaped. Your type of interaction can have nothing but a detrimental affect 254 on their minds. To paraphrase what piper said, if I catch you messing 255 with my children I'll blow your nuts off and face the music with a smile. 256 P.S. I myself prefer the fanstasy/adventure aspect of Backwater to this 257 futile arguing. 258 Dante 259 \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ 260 261 SHADY CREEK OFFICIAL BOARD OF THE 1984 OLYMPICS HAM CUTTER RULES OVER ALL 262 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 263 264 HEY FRANK, DO YOU LIKE 16 YEAR OLDS? I DO. 265 I can't wait! 266 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 267 SHADY CREEK OFFICIAL BOARD OF THE 1984 OLYMPICS HAM CUTTER RULES OVER ALL 268 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 269 270 Riskers, 271 The pleasure was all ours..... even my wife thought we were well 272 behaved ....( no easy feat for a Risk game in her eyes ) ...The conversation 273 was good, the synergy better and the company superb...my complements to you. 274 We must repeat this in the near future. 275 Whisper, 276 Too bad you had to leave before the second game. You might of been 277 able to contain L'homme....lord knows I was no threat...just your basic 278 glowing cinder...after the first move...compements of MiG - The Destroyer. 279 L'homme, 280 The second path to Australia is not required..but I have found that 281 it is more than probable that the crossover points ( Iceland-Greenland , 282 Kamchatka-Alaska etc. ) will get hit...and even more probable that Siam or 283 Indonesia will bear the brunt of some attack .. so to avoid the mexican 284 standoff that develops from such an attack the second path was made. 285 In the worst case ( under current rules ) if Siam was took two Nukes nobody 286 would be able to cross....so to avoid draws...the second path was made. 287 As for Four and Five, current indications place them out of postition 288 but keep trying.....you only have 50$ to go.....by the way whats connected 289 to the other end of that number ?...I have not tried it yet ? 290 ......A small 10 character key...eh... 291 292 Frank - reply comming later... 293 ::::::::::Alex::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 294 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 295 Now that I have my favorite modem back, I can once again contribute. 296 Frank:An immeadiate reply is all but impossible, let me research and get 297 back to the subject at hand. 298 MiG 299 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 300 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 301 Frank: I declined responding to you earlier, because I knew that the 302 others could answer with a lot more rationality than I could. But since 303 you think we are all wrong simply because we do not agree with you, I've 304 decided to give you my opinions. 305 YOU ARE SICK, AND SHOULD BE PUT AWAY FOR YOUR OWN GOOD! 306 307 I apologise to the others for my outburst. 308 Fast Fred BSAL 309 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 310 ---/---/---/---/---/---/---/---/---/---/---/GUEST/---/---/---/---/---/---/-- 311 FRANK: THE GIST OF WHAT I WAS SAYING TO YOU IS THAT I DO OT BELIEVE YOU ARE 312 FOR REAL. IF, HOWEVER, YOU ARE, THEN YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT YOU SHOULD BE 313 LOCKED UP (?AGAIN?) NOT FOR YOUR OWN GOOD, BUT FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE 314 INNOCENT CHILDREN WHOSE LIVES YOU MIGHT WRECK, WHILE NOT CARING ABOUT ANYTHI 315 NG EXCEPT SATISFYING YOUR SICK NEEDS. THIS ABSURD IDEA OF A PEDS PRIDE, IS 316 AS SICK AS A "NAZI PRIDE" WEEK. (A NUMBER OF NAZIS WERE PEDOS). IT WILL NEVE 317 R HAPPEN. WHERE THE BOYS ARE- IS FOR CONNIE FRANCIS, NOT YOU. I HAVE THREE 318 SUGGESIONS FOR YOU. MAKE THAT FOUR. ONE: FIND A WAY TO GET YOURSELF A JOB AS 319 A GUARD IN A TURKISH PRISON. 2: CALL THE SUNDAY TRADER. ( THE OTHER SIDE, 320 653-2172. THERES A COUPLE PEOPLE THERE I THINK YOU'D FIT IN WITH(ONE IN PART 321 ICULAR HAS A DOG---). 3. REMEMBER THAT SOONER OR LATER YOU'RE GOING TO GET 322 CAUGHT. THE N.O.W. IN CO-OPERATION WITH THE FBI HAS HIRED A GROUP OF MIDGETS 323 AS DECOYS, SO WATCH OUT. 4: REMEMBER THAT IF I EVER CATCH YOU NEAR MY KIDS, 324 I'LL OPERATE ON YOU, AND THAT WILL BE THE END OF THE PROBLEM.---/---/---/--- 325 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 326 I haven't been on BW for quite a while. This Frank character seems to 327 have ruffled everyone. 328 Frank: I don't accept homosexuals. I feel that homosexuality IS a mental 329 disorder. I recently spent some time with a relative who lives in Kuwait 330 and we disussed at length the subject from an Arabic perspective. 331 He said that whenever a man is pushed to be overly macho, mental 332 problems arise. The female portion of a man feels suppressed and tries to 333 express its(her)self in homosexualtity. The Kuwaiti's used to have trouble 334 with homosexuality. It is now illegal. 335 Homosexuality is a mental disorder caused by society's pressures 336 put on a man. Pedophilia occurs in someone whose mind has really become 337 warped. Pressures and problems with relationships and jobs may leave a 338 person longing for his days of childhood. Perhaps a pedophilia's mind 339 has become warped to the place where sexual intimicy with children helps 340 to fill this void. 341 The Ninja -- on the warpath 342 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 343 ~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"Another Guest~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~ 344 345 Frank - I too will sing a melody with a smile if you get your nuts 346 blown off. 347 Ninja - Did you say you have been in hawii? Lucky guy! Why didn't 348 you send the Inn some post cards. 349 Cutter 350 John - Come to think of it, you are worse than that Frank fellow at 351 the top of this scroll somewhere. You sick, demented, Snotty 352 nosed Todie! 353 All - How long do you have to be a guest before you can obtain 354 membership? Hopefully not a year or so like others. 355 356 ~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~"^~ 357 0707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707070707 358 Alex:Did you crack the code? Impossible! Impossible I say! No one could 359 accomplish such a feat. Please explain your last message to the character 360 named L'homme. What did you mean in the last paragraph? The NET is 361 astounded! 362 0707070707070707070707 July 16th, Year of our Lord, 1984, at 6:30PM and 363 0070707070707070707070 no seconds 070707070707070707070707070707070707070707 364 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 365 Frank:stick around, it may be a few days. 366 NET7:he can, oh yes he can. The code that the net is currently using is some 367 what vulnerable. t appears that I was wrong and perhaps we should have let 368 NET1 talk for about 10 more miniuts, well, how about 5 more miniuts? 369 Well all, Le Nerd is slowly going under entropy I.E. Michael hasn't writen 370 a single line of code the last 2 days. 371 That does not bother me .5 as much as the fact that my ex-wife has returned 372 from washington D.C. and is currently partying with Michael,2 of my best 373 female friends and the people who grow my dope. I am somewhat wondering what 374 will become of this... 375 Oh yes, I lost my job on friday also... 376 One somewhat preturbed, 377 Man in Gray 378 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? 379 '/, '/, 380 '/, GGDKR IXJTP REFCW MTGAO UMXEL BJYA. AREAZ '/, 381 '/, '/, 382 383 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 384 Frank - I usually try not to answer any of these provococations, because I 385 prefer the fantasy aspect of this board, and I hope that I no one answers to 386 your outbursts, you will away. No such lucj in your case, so I must say my 387 ten cents worth. 388 I, being of an inbetween age ( know the cat is out of the bag ), I have 389 no children to protect, yet I am by no means a child, at least by my 390 perspective. Yet, I would react quite viiolently to any actions against 391 my children, provided I had any. Furthermore, I am glad that you have not 392 altered my personality by contact in my younger years ( I happen to like 393 the way I am now ). You may be taking satisfaction in our threats, but 394 you must realize that they are not in vain, and whether or not our actions 395 would be illegal ( as yours certainly are ) , we would almost certainly 396 be doing society in general a favor with your extermination. I cannot 397 accept a " alternate lifestyle " that may harm this countries youth, which 398 are our greatest resource. Do yourself, and moreover the children a good 399 turn by seeking profesional help... 400 To all - you may now start guessing my age. 401 Tally ho(e)! Morby 402 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 403 ******************************************************************** 404 Frank: You say that 1 in 4 children have had a sexual experience with an 405 adult. It seemed to me that you were using that in a way to justify your 406 sexual orientation. I tend to believe that you may be reasonably accurate 407 in your estimate (lacking any written statistics I will at least accept 408 it as a working parameter). I know several people who were involved in 409 one form or another of child/adult sex. Without exception this experience 410 has warped their ability to engage in any form of normal relationships 411 with their peers. All of them are struggling with emotional disabilities 412 as a result of being subjected to this kind of relationship in their 413 formative years. Given that this is true. And I can only judge by the 414 results I have heard about. I feel that you are ignoring the effect you 415 have on these childrens future. If this does not bother you then regardless 416 of what your orientation is, I would like to see you committed to some 417 place where you can receive appropriate mental counseling. In other words 418 your sexual orientation doesn't bother me its what you do to others that 419 will have a lasting bad effect on their minds that bothers me. 420 ***************************************** THE LAZY ONE ****************** 421 P.S. No quote tonight I feel too strongly about what I am saying. 422 ********************************************************************* 423 //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 424 General comments: 425 Lord Morby: WE couldn't give a crap how old you are. Mental age is the pointer 426 we like to use anyway. 427 Frank: Who says society has accepted homosexuals? I guess you have missed all 428 the occurances of fag bashing listed in several big city newspapers, or the 429 comments from people who are asked their opinion on the subject. Their 430 answers usually revolve around death or dismemberent. As to your problem, you 431 can see the general consensus of opinion. Not a pretty sight? Well neither 432 are you. It's debate we want, not sickness, not perversness, and certainly 433 not you! 434 MIG:As young as you are and you already have an ex-wife? What goes on here? 435 But if this michael is running around with 3 women, and people who grow dope, 436 I can certainly understand why he hasn't done much coding lately. 437 438 anon 1984 439 //////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// 440 ./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./' 441 442 Morby, This system does not revolve around you. First you want 443 sympathy because you were going away, then becuase you were 444 back. And then you wanted everybody to guess who you were 445 because you kept repeating your messages and wouldn't leave 446 your name, and now, now you want everyone to guess your age. 447 WHO CARES comes to mind right of the bat, and not to mention 448 WHY? Why do you want everyone to recognize that you, and 449 say "what a GREAT guy, he's somebody! WOW!" and much more 450 than that. Also, why do you think you can give everybody 451 advise on whatever subjact you see fit! Who do you think you 452 are, GOD? Not quite! 453 454 I don't know if I'm speaking for everybody, but I sure am 455 representing myself! 456 457 ./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'Pessimistic./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./' 458 One more thing, if you have not figured out who this is 459 this moght clear things up. At least leave something 460 for me to do that is not imposed on by others, like my 461 writing, programing. 462 ./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./'./' 463 ##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##LYSIAS##==##==##==##==##==##==##== 464 THIS PERSON, 'GUEST' HAS THE RIGHT IDEA. I'D BET A BUCKET OF SUDS THIS FRANK 465 CHARACTER IS SITTING BACK, AND LAUGHING HIS BUTT OFF, THINKING ABOUT ALL THE 466 OVER-REACTIONS HE'S ELICITED FROM THE BW IRREGULARS. (THIS IS NOT INTENDED AS A 467 PUT DOWN TO ANYBODY, JUST A GUT FEELING.). MEANWHILE, FRANK, I HEAR THERE ARE A 468 COUPLE OPENINGS AT THE ANKARA PENETENTARIE REPUBLIQUE DE TURKEY.##==##==##==##== 469 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 470 Anon:Yes, 1 ex-wife, no kids. 471 And one of those women he better keep his hands off of! 472 All:now am I halucinating or is the above tirade dirrected at Morby a little 473 over reactionary? I saw nothing about Morby telling others what to do a 474 except for our pal Frank. Speaking of Frank...If this is a hoax, he is one HELL 475 of a writer! 476 All:I think I am becoming an anomaly 2 hours after finding out the above info, 477 one oof my old girlfriends from oklahoma called me and asked d 478 asked if I would like to see her and her KID and her husband at a bar-b-que she 479 is holding in portland when she visits. The wierdness continues folks, what next 480 I know not. 481 MiG 482 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?/ 483 MIG: SOMEONE OVER AT BROKEN BLADE SAID YOU ARE A JUVIE. 484 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 485 ALL: Does anyone have any figures on the number of active BBS users in the 486 Portland area? Or telecom users in general? Aaron 487 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 488 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::O O::::::::::::::::::: 489 M(n'ettg)iG: perhaps we should start a club for those who life has dumped 490 on. We can be charter members. Besides the personal problems I also 491 have experienced in the recent past, my house was foreclosed a couple of 492 months ago, and just last weekend I received a letter from PGE claiming I 493 owe them $2225 for weatherization on the house I no longer own. 494 Now, as $2225 is about $11,000 more than I have, I detect a problem. 495 Deducting it from my $0/month income is going to take a while to pay off, 496 too. Since your supplier is otherwise occupied, I suppose I can't even 497 come over and get stoned in your closet while recording dazzling 498 conversation for posterity. 499 Isn't life the pits? 500 :::::::::::::::::::O O:::::::::voyeur::::::::::O O:::::::::::::::::::: 501 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 502 ALL ARCHIVE (or interested): Want printed version? Currently investigating 503 two types, impact and laser. As for "non-group buy" people wanting copies 504 in print; speak up now, or forever endure the hassle of tracking down the 505 group members to try to re-split your contribution. If you are currently in 506 on the buy and want a printed version lemme know ASAP as I have to determin 507 how much paper and ink and all that good stuff band printers use that we 508 will need so I can figgure out the cost. Should be inexpensive, just cost 509 of paper and ribbons.... Aaron 510 PS: actually, the laser printing isn't quite that simple, as I don't own 511 a laser printer. But, if you are wanting to bind or otherwise show off 512 your spiffy backwater backlogs, laser printing may be for you. Cost is appx. 513 $0.08/page compared to $0.02/page for conventional printing. 514 PPS: if you opt for the impact (which I will do here); you should be able to 515 get them the day after I recieve the disks, we have a very fast printer..... 516 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 517 02020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202020202 518 GPHXG WSPUH GZHYS CPOKE KHFRE KRFKO AVXNF ZLBRA HPHCS LLRBE YXLOR UHSRT NEWIW LPTNU YXLNK MEDSA SEWIS VTBYK ONXSX NPOPS 519 NIGWV QAJUG GHREZ MYZAH ORJCS LLELC UHHPV WNSHM GRGNS EPUPS ISPPV WTJZE JTHRM WKWVY KYUER LMJSL 520 02020202020202020202020202 17 July 84 at 03:46:48 AM 020202020202020202020202 521 ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 522 Well, it looks like Frank, if he is for real, has a number of honest answers. 523 I for one can sympathize with his problem, but am unwilling to tolerate any 524 expression of his "life-style." Homo-sex, between consenting adults, I consider 525 526 simply none of my business. In other words I take an extremely selfish view -- 527 as long as what you do does not affect others I do not favor any laws or other 528 coercion affecting your behaviour. When what you do impacts others, social 529 controls of one sort or another must be imposed -- either through the courts or 530 by enraged citizenry moving down a street with a rope in their hands. 531 Unfortunately, we as humans, tend to move over that line. We no longer draw 532 the line of where actions impact someone else, and move it to "when you do 533 something of which I do not approve." In my personal moral code, I attempt to 534 draw this line. If I fail, please call me on the point. 535 pppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp 536 537 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 538 NUCLEAR OPTION IS A DICHOTOMY IN TERMS... A member (for the moment) of the 539 human race. 540 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- 541 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 542 Aaron: A printed version. My, you've asked the right person. I could go for 543 a copy. 544 Another Guest: I wasn't anywhere near Hawaii. Reread my message. I was trying 545 to be like Michael and run around with my best friend's ex-girlfriend. 546 The Ninja 547 jjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 548 :*************************************************************: 549 550 ************************ 551 * WELCOME BACK * 552 * MOHAMMED * 553 ************************ 554 555 556 So good to have you back. Without your talent the 557 adventure really went down hill for awhile. 558 559 It was very difficult keeping it going without the Albanians 560 to bounce characters off of. After awhile I retired to 561 Lurkerdom and watched. It got pretty bad. 562 563 Things picked up when LeRoy decided to buy a chain of 564 monasteries and start an international "rent a miricle" 565 promotion. It caught on and an organization called the NET 566 sprung up to meet the challenge. 567 568 Ian MacHinnery is the power behind the NET. L'homme Sans 569 Parity, Joshua, and Petrov have become the principle NET 570 characters. Petrov has changed considerably since he was 571 LeRoys' drag queen bodygaurd. 572 573 Ian MacHinnery writes as well as ever. L'hommes' writing has 574 improved a great deal. Some of his stuff has been really 575 good. Joshua and Petrov are relatively new. They tend towards 576 long narratives, which isn't my favorite style, but they are 577 good. 578 579 The McKane adventure is still suffering, prepare yourself for 580 this one, from an attack by d. Can you believe that? d, the 581 peacemaker, the gentle soul, the feminine force of Backwater 582 lost her cool and got nasty. 583 584 It's no big deal, of course. We all lose our cool once in 585 awhile. How can I be mad at d when she was the one who once 586 cooled me down when I was the hothead? 587 588 Anyway, glad that you're back. Maybe we'll get inspired and 589 get things moving once again. 590 591 Grand D. 592 :************************************************************: 593 [][] To the Bozo -call me with a voice phone, 635-xxxx, ask for Andrew [][] 594 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 595 Since no one has shown the kindness that was evident when I first logged 596 on, I will adress the " Another Guest ". The way to get in the system is 597 to just start using it. You might consider changing your name from 598 " Another Guest " to something more appropriate. ( har har ) 599 I shall continue with the story soon as I ready the file... 600 Tally Ho(e) ! Morby 601 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 602 //////////////////////////////////////////// 603 ? does anyone know ? 604 ? why the DUNE BBS ? 605 ? is not taking any? 606 ? calls????????????? 607 //////////////////////////////////////////// 608 ##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##LYSIAS##==##==##==##==##==##==##== 609 FRANK: I DON'T GIVE A **** ABOUT YOUR PROBLEM, AND CAN IGNORE YOUR ENTRIES 610 (WHICH I DON'T BUY), EXCEPT FOR THE LAST ONE ON THE DISC A. YOU HAVE PUT DOWN 611 SOMEONE I ADMIRE, SOMEONE YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT, WHOM YOU HAVE NOT READ, AND 612 WHOSE NAME YOU CAN NOT SPELL, HENRY DAVID THOREAU. I DON'T LIKE ANY ONE BADMOUTH 613 ING THOREAU, AND I'D DEARLY LOVE TO TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT THIS, AS WELL AS 614 WHAT I THINK OF YOU, WITH OR WITHOUT YOUR PROBLEM. AS THIS BBS DOES NOT ALLOW 615 SUCH THINGS TO BE SAID, I WON'T.SO USE YOUR IMAGINATION, AND YOU'LL GET THE MESS 616 AGE. ##==##==##==##==##==##LYSIAS##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##==##= 617 @@@@@************@@@@@@@@@@************@@@@@ 618 PRH FH DSDFHFT HRRY 619 QHF 620 JGD PRH !!!! 621 622 @@@@@************@@@@@@@@@@************@@@@@ >