LIST FILE ON MARGIN IS 76 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 627 1 JDIEUYGA 2 ******************** REMOVED: 19 DEC 83 ****************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 Alex:Would you believe part of a Stoner weapons system ...(I 26 (I didn't think so). I'm not too worried about what those turkeys will do 27 AFTERWARDS, as I suspect that they are all aware of the OTHER would-be 28 conquerors out there (of course, THEY think that the reverse isn't true!). 29 Thus, I would expect one of their highest priorities would be to eliminate 30 these "threats". When the dust clears, I expect that the survivors could be 31 beaten by a den of cub scouts! 32 The big problem is that right now they are giving the serious, concerned 33 survivalists a bad name. (Remember how I compared them to the "hackers" 34 giving US a bad name?). 35 I've got a qoute from an article on shelter construction that should answer 36 a lot of the objections some people seem to have to even DISCUSSING 37 shelter construction, bomb effects etc. 38 "No one can know today whether our lives would be worth living after a 39 nuclear war, and we won't dwell on the moral questions of the individual's 40 responsibility to oneself and to others. For the ultimate amorality, the 41 survivor who envies the dead can join them any time he chooses. But you 42 ought to have the option of nuclear survival, and that option starts with 43 information." (from "Gimme Shelter" by Dean Ing, 1980) 44 _____________________________________Leonard________________________________ 45 46 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 47 48 1984 IS COMING FAST, AND ITS ATTRIBUTES ARE CLOSE BEHIND. WE'VE 49 HAD "NEWSPEAK" SINCE THE WAR DEPARTMENT WAS RENAMED THE DEFENSE DEPART- 50 MENT AFTER WWII. THIS OCCURED BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WANTED A PERMANENT 51 BUREAU DEDICATED TO WAR (AND NATIONAL DEFENSE) WITHOUT GIVING THE (CORRECT) 52 IMPRESSION WE WERE IN A CONSTANT STATE OF WAR TO THE GENERAL POPULATION. 53 IT HAS CONTINUED THROUGH TWO WARS...... UH, POLICE-ACTIONS (EXCUSE ME), 54 WITH PHRASES SUCH AS "NATIVE PASSIFICATION" (WHAT USED TO BE REFERRED TO 55 AS "DEATH") AND THE ETERNALLY FAMOUS "WE HAD TO DESTROY THE VILLAGE TO 56 SAVE IT" (FROM COMMUNISM, OF COURSE. BETTER DEAD THAN RED....). BUT, 57 AS THE POLITICIANS FOUND AGAIN AND AGAIN, NEWSPEAK WAS NEVER FULLY EF- 58 FECTIVE AS LONG AS THERE WAS A FREE PRESS (THOSE NASTY BOYS THAT WERE 59 ALWAYS ASKING EMBARRASSING QUESTIONS ABOUT THINGS ONE WOULD PREFER RE- 60 MAINED SWEPT UNDER THE RUG). BUT HOW COULD YOU GET RID OF THE PRESS? 61 DUE TO THE CONCEPT OF A FREE PRESS BEING ENSHRINED BY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS, 62 IT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO GET RID OF. PRESIDENTS ESPECIALLY HAVE 63 FOUND THE PRESS AN IRRITANT AND NEARLY EVERY ONE HAS COMPLAINED BITTERLY 64 ABOUT IT. BUT WHAT TO DO, WHAT TO DO........ 65 66 THE RISE OF "INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALISM" BROUGHT MANY THINGS TO THE AMER- 67 ICAN NEWS MEDIA. NOT ONLY WAS THE OPPORTUNITY PRESENTED TO UNCOVER ALL TYPES 68 OF DECEPTION AND CRIMINALITY, BUT IT ALSO BROUGHT THE CHANCE FOR YOUNG 69 JOURNALISTS NATIONWIDE TO MAKE UTTER FOOLS OF THEMSELVES AND DISCREDIT 70 THEIR PROFESSION IN THE EYES OF THE PUBLIC. THIS HAS ALL COME TO A HEAD 71 RECENTLY WITH THE PUBLIC BACKLASH AGAINST THE PRESS (WHICH IS EXTREMELY 72 ODD, DUE TO THE PUBLIC'S LOVE FOR SENSATIONALISM, A LA THE NATIONAL EN- 73 QUIRER). OUR CURRENT LEADER, REAGAN, HAS HATED THE PRESS SINCE HIS DAYS 74 IN HOLLYWOOD, AND THE TIME HE HAS SPENT IN THE POLITICAL ARENA HAS CAUSED 75 THE OLD WOUNDS TO FESTER. THE DARKENING OF THE PUBLIC MOOD TOWARD THE 76 PRESS HAS CREATED OPPORTUNITIES THAT NEVER BEFORE EXISTED, AND HE IS 77 GRABBING THEM. LIE DETECTOR TESTS FOR CABINET MEMBERS, CREATING "SOURCES" 78 TO LEAK FALSE INFORMATION, DENYING ACCESS TO IMPORTANT STORIES, AND RE- 79 VEALING NEW POLICY DECISIONS AT MEETINGS OF THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN 80 REVOLUTION RATHER THAN PRESS CONFERENCES ARE ONLY SOME EXAMPLES OF THE 81 SMALL BATTLES THAT ARE OCCURING. BUT, AS USUAL, REAGAN CANNOT SEE THE 82 LONG TERM RESULT OF HIS BEHAVIOR. 83 84 THE INVASION OF GRENADA WAS SO COMPLETELY SUCCESSFUL AND WELCOME BY 85 THE INHABITANTS THAT FEW DARE TO COMMENT NEGATIVELY. BUT THE FEW NEGAIVE 86 REPORTS I'VE HEARD ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO DOUBTS OF THE VERACITY OF 87 MILITARY REPORTS. SOME FOREIGN NEWS MEDIA (DER SPIEGEL FOR ONE) ARE 88 PLACING DOUBTS ON WHETHER THE ARMS FOUND ON THE ISLAND WERE ACTUALLY 89 FOUND THERE, OR BROUGHT IN WITH THE TROOPS. HERE, HAVING A PRESS CORP 90 ALONG WOULD HAVE QUIETED THESE DOUBTERS AS THEY COULD VERIFY THROUGH AN 91 INDEPENDANT SOURCE THE TRUTH OF THE CLAIMS. 92 REAGAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN A GOOD MANIPULATOR, AND HE IS WELL AWARE THAT 93 DURING TIMES OF CRISIS, AMERICANS RALLY 'ROUND THEIR LEADER IN PATRIOTIC 94 FERVOR. DUE TO THIS REACTION, ANY NEGATIVE COMMENTARY NOW IS TREATED 95 WITH DISDAIN OR EVEN ANGER ("HOW DARE YOU DOUBT OUR FEARLESS LEADER!"), 96 EVEN TO THE POINT OF INDIVIDUALS ACTUALLY SUGGESTING IN LETTERS TO NEWS- 97 PAPERS THAT WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF IF THE GOVERNMENT WAS IN CONTROL OF 98 THE NEWS MEDIA. TO QUOTE ABC NEWS PRESIDENT ROONE ARLEDGE, "IF A REF- 99 ERENDUM ON THE 1st AMENDMENT WERE HELD TODAY, I WOULD HATE TO SEE HOW 100 THE VOTE MIGHT GO." 101 102 SO WHERE ARE WE HEADED? THE CONTROL OF THE DISSEMINATION OF INFOR- 103 MATION IS NOT HERE YET, BUT IS AROUND THE CORNER AND COMING FAST, WITH 104 THE SUPPORT OF THE PUBLIC. 1984 IS ONLY A LITTLE BEHIND SCHEDULE IN THAT 105 RESPECT. AND THE BILL OF RIGHTS MAY BE THE NEXT TARGET, AS DEAR RONNIE 106 HAS ALWAYS EXPRESSED DISLIKE FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THAT TREASONOUS AND 107 UN-AMERICAN DOCUMENT. ITS DESTRUCTION WON'T BE VERY HARD, EITHER, SINCE 108 MOST PEOPLE ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH IT, AND MANY WOULDN'T RECOGNIZE IT IF YOU 109 SHOWED IT TO THEM. UNLESS WE HAVE A CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP (OR THE MINDS 110 OR OUR CURRENT LEADERS) TOWARD SOMETHING THAT VALUES THE "RIGHTS" OF THE 111 CITIZEN, THE ROAD AHEAD IS CLEARLY MARKED. 112 113 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 114 115 AMEN! 116 "THE PRICE OF FREEDOM IS ETERNAL VIGALANCE" 117 118 ************************************************************************ 119 PAM: I FORGOT ONE SYSTEM CONTROL, THE RUBOUT (HEX 7F) SOMETIMES CALLED 120 DELETE. 121 ******************** CISTOP MIKEY *************************************** 122 RANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANT 123 THERE IS ONE QUOTE ATTRIBUTED TO ABE LINCOLN THOUGH IN ALL PROBABILITY 124 IS WAS STOLEN FROM SOMEPLACE ELSE BY HIS SPEACH WRITER. THE QUOTE IS 125 "YOU CAN FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME, AND SOME OF THE PEOPLE 126 ALL OF THE TIME, BUT YOU CAN'T FOOL ALL OF THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME." 127 LET'S HOPE THAT THIS HOLDS TRUE HERE AS WELL. AS WAS STATED ABOVE, WE 128 MUST REMAIN VIGALANT OF OUR FREEDOMS IF WE INTEND TO KEEP THEM, THEY 129 CANNOT BE COMPROMIZED! 130 RANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANT CISTOP MIKEY AGAIN RANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANTRANT 131 P.S. WHAT A STRANGE WAY TO SPEND LUNCH; READING BWMS.... 132 **************************************************************** 133 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""WELL- 134 IT WORKED FOR A WHILE BUT I SEE ALL OF YOU PEOPLE HAVE BEEN RE- 135 PROGRAMED 136 INTO THE SAME OLD GRIND. FOR A WHILE YOU WERE ACTUALLY USING YOUR IMAGINA- 137 TIONS. BUT I GUESS I WILL HAVE TO TRY AGAIN. I MUST GO NOW BUT I WILL BE BAC 138 K WITH ANOTHER MESSAGE FOR YOU TO PONDER UPON. PROBABLY MUCH LONGER AND 139 MUCH MORE DESCRIPTIVE. this is a pitiful situation 140 141 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""MERLYN"""""""""""""""""""""""""""" 142 143 You mean that the tripe that you have entered is what you call imagination? 144 Merlyn, you have about as much imagination as my dead dog Frederick. 145 Please don't "try again", we really don't need another 100 lines of French. 146 """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""Morgan Le Fey""""""""""""""""""""" 147 Pam, why the black mood? Calling something it isn't, but sounds better 148 is no new invention. (Just look into where words like "janitor" or 149 "toilet" came from, and what they once meant). all politicians hate the 150 press, it tells the truth rathere than there hot air, but they are too 151 scared of it to really try much. (how do you think they get elected? 152 ----ADVERTISING---) just accept that the US runs on a beurocracy, not the 153 politicans, and breathe easier. Awareness is needed, but not fear. 154 /////////////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 155 PAMS NOT REALLY TOO FAR OUT OF LINE. WITNESS LAWS & REGULATIONS PASSED 156 LATELY AND OTHERS ON THE DRAWING BOARDS THAT WILL PREVENT ANY RESEARCHER 157 THAT IS DEALING WITH MATERIAL THE GOVERNMENT IS INTERESTED IN (FROM 158 BIOLOGY TO VOTING ANALYSIS TO POLITICAL SCIENCE TO DISARMAMENT STUDIES) 159 FROM PUBLISHING ANYTHING WITHOUT PERMISSION OF THE GOVERNMENT'S SECRET 160 POLICE. ANYBODY QUALIFIED TO COMMENT ON ANYTHING OF IMPORTANCE COULD 161 BE PREVENTED FROM COMMENTING ON IT, WITH NO APPEAL. THIS COULD KILL NOT 162 ONLY ALL NON-MILITARY RESEARCH IN THIS COUNTRY, BUT STOP ANY DISSEMINATION 163 OF INFORMATION THE GOVERNMENT WANTS. EVEN TRIALS RELATED TO ATTEMPTS 164 TO PUBLISH THIS INFORMATION ARE TO BE HELD IN SECRET. THE ONLY 165 THING KEEPING THIS FROM HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS THE UPROAR IT HAS 166 CAUSED IN THE ACADEMIC COMMUNITY. BUT REAGAN PUT HIS WEIGHT BEHIND IT, 167 AS DID THE 'SECURITY' (NEWSPEAK) SERVICES. 168 169 IN ADDITION, THERE ARE GOVERNMENT AGENCIES IN CHARGE OF DISSEMINATING 170 PROPAGANDA IN THE U.S. THAT VERY FEW PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF. ONE OF 171 THESE IS THE U.S. COMMUNICATIONS AGENCY. A FORMER STAFFER AT THIS AGENCY 172 ONCE BRAGGED TO ME THAT "WE SAT DOWN EVERY MORNING AND DECIDED WHAT 173 THE NEWS WOULD BE. 174 175 ONE THING THAT MAKES IT POSSIBLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT TO DECIEVE US ON A 176 VARIETY OF ISSUES IS THE GUTLESNESS OF OUR PRESS. ARTICLES IN LOCAL 177 NEWSPAPERS USUALLY REFLECT A BIAS TOWARDS ADVERTISERS, FOR INSTANCE, 178 WHILE EVERY NATIONAL PUBLICATION INCLUDING THE WALL STREET JOURNAL 179 WAS CONDEMNING THE TROJAN NUCLEAR PLANT AS A ENGINEERING AND 180 FINANCIAL FIASCO (USUALLY NOT RUNNING, LEAKING WITH FREQUENCY) THE 181 OREGONIAN PUBLISHED NO SUCH ARTICLES FOR YEARS. (FORTUNATELY, WITH A 182 CHANGE IN MANAGEMENT, THIS HAS NOT BEEN THE CASE WITH WHOOPS) 183 184 ANOTHER PROBLEM WITH THE PRESS IS THAT THE INDIVIDUAL REPORTERS LIKE 185 DAN RATHER AND TOM BROKAW ARE EASILY MANIPULATED BY MEANS OF PRIVATE, 186 OFF THE RECORD, 'LEAKS'. PROTECTING SOURCES NAMES EVEN THOUGH IT HELPS 187 TO HIDE THE TRUTH ON A RANGE OF ISSUES IS USUALLY A GOOD CAREER MOVE 188 FOR A REPORTER WHOSE LIVELYHOOD DEPENDS ON GETTING 'GOOD STORIES' 189 190 MANY MEMBERS OF THE PRESS GO MUCH FURTHER AND ACTIVELY AND CONCIOUSLY 191 DISSEMINATE LIES. TIME MAGAZINE HAS FOR SOME TIME RATHER OPENLY LET 192 INTELLIGENCE AGENTS TRAVEL UNDER COVER AS TIME REPORTERS. THIS IS 193 BECAUSE OF THE CONVICTIONS OF THE WEALTHY FAMILY THAT OWNS IT. REMEMBER 194 THAT THE SPANISH AMERICAN WAR WAS ESSENTIALLY STARTED BY THE HEARST NEWS- 195 PAPERS. WHILE INDIVIDUAL REPORTERS MAY BE HONEST/SCRUPULOUS/POPULIST 196 THE PAPERS AND NETWORKS ARE RUN BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE A BIG INVESTMENT 197 IN THE STATUS QUO. 198 199 IN SHORT, THE POSTURING OF THE PRESS, AND ESPECIALLY, THE POSTURING 200 OF THE EXECUTIVE CLASS WITHIN THE PRESS, PRESENTING THEMSELVES AS 201 THE FINAL BASTION OF FREEDOM, WOULD BE RIDICULOUS IF IT WAS NOT SO 202 HORRIFYINGLY UNTRUE. WE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT BY THE MODERN PRESS. 203 204 THE THING THAT MOST PEOPLE CAN'T GET PAST IS THAT OUR CHAINS ARE SO EASY 205 TO BEAR. GOLDEN CHAINS, WITH A VELVET SHEATH. WHERE ARE THE WHIPS, 206 THE BULLETS, THE DAWN SEARCHES, MOST PEOPLE WILL ASK YOU, IF OUR FREEDOMS 207 ARE REALLY IN SUCH A SORRY CONDITION. 208 209 I BELIEVE ONE EXAMPLE OF THIS MAY BE FOUND IN GERMANY UNDER BISMARK. 210 GERMANY HAD THE WORLDS FIRST SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM, AND THE COMFORT 211 OF IT'S CITIZENS WAS NOT RIVALLED IN THE LATE 19TH CENTURY. YET 212 GERMANY WAS ALSO THE PRE-EMINENT IMPERIALISTIC AND TOTALITARIAN STATE 213 OF THAT TIME. IF YOU HAD CONFRONTED A GERMAN WITH THIS IDEA, HE WOULD 214 PERHAPS HAVE LAUGHED AT THE IDEA THAT THERE WAS NO FREEDOM THERE. 215 216 FREEDOM IS TOO EASILY ASSOCIATED WITH RELATIVE WEALTH, WHEN IT SHOULD 217 BE ASSOCIATED *ALSO* WITH TRUTH AND INTEGRITY, INTELLECTUAL HONESTY 218 AND LACK OF CORRUPTION IN GOVERNMENT, WITH EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND 219 WITH A STATE THAT DOES NOT KILL AND DESTROY IN THE LANDS OF OTHERS 220 WHILE PREVENTING IT'S OWN CITIZENS WITH KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT IS BEING DONE. 221 222 ........ WHEW! 223 224 ANYWAY, PAM HAS IT RIGHT, I THINK, AND THE FIRST THING TO DO ABOUT IT 225 IS MAKE PEOPLE AWARE, WHICH IS WHAT SHE IS DOING. LACK OF AWARENESS IS 226 IN FACT THE PROBLEM, AND SHOULD BE ATTACKED DIRECTLY. 227 228 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE FORMIDABLE EDITORIALIST!!!!!!!!!!!!! 229 WELL PAM, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GOT YOUR CONTROVERSY. NOT QUITE THE ONE EXPECTED 230 BUT A CONTROVERSY AT LEAST. MAYBE WITH A BIT OF WORK IT CAN GROW INTO 231 SOMETHING MEANINGFUL AT LEAST. 232 I ALWAYS AM INTERESTED IN THOSE WHO SAY THAT OUR BOOKS ARE NOT REWRITTEN 233 IN AMERICA TO SUIT SOME GROUPS DESIRES ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT PEOPLE 234 TO BELEIVE, OR THAT WHEN IT DOES HAPPEN IT IS FOUND OUT AND SOMETHING 235 DONE ABOUT IT. MANY PARTS OF OUR PAST AS IS IS TAUGHT IS NOT ACURATE 236 IT IS MODIFIED TO MAKE IT INTO WHAT SOME GROUP BELEIVES IT SHOULD BE 237 DON'T BELEIVE IT? I WOULD SUGGEST YOU ASK SOMEONE FROM THE DEEP SOUTH 238 ABOUT THE CIVIL WAR. YOU MAY FIND THAT THEIR VIEW IS ENTIRELY DIFFERENT 239 THEN THE ONE YOU WERE TAUGHT. INDEED, THE VERY THING THAT THE WAR WAS 240 FOUGHT OVER WAS HARDLY JUST SLAVERY AS IT IS TAUGHT SO OFTEN. THE PROBLEM 241 IS THAT THOSE WHO TEACH THAT SORT OF THING LIKE TO HAVE A NICE SOLID 242 PICTURE THAT THEY CAN PRESENT. THE REASON FOR THIS IS REALLY QUITE 243 SIMPLE, IT IS MUCH TOO HARD TO TEACH THE REAL COMPLEX ASPECT OF THINGS 244 OF THAT SORT, SO THEY REFINE IT DOWN TO SOMETHING THEY SOUNDS GOOD AND 245 TEACH THAT INSTEAD. THIS HARDLY MAKES IT TRUTH HOWEVER. THE OTHER 246 PROBLEM IS THAT MOST PEOPLE HAVE ABSOLUTLY NO INTEREST IN THAT SORT 247 OF THING, SO THEY NEED TO REFINE IT DOWN TO NOTHING FOR MASS CONSUMPTION 248 BY THE NON-CARING. THE END RESULT IS BUT A SMALL ASPECT OF THE WHOLE 249 TRUTH. 250 WANT ANOTHER EXAMPLE? HOW ABOUT ONE IN OUR OWN TIME. THE BIG FLACK ABOUT 251 THE REWRITING OF BOOKS OVER EVOLUTION VS CREATIVITY. ONE SIDE WANTS IT 252 ONE WAY, THE OTHER SIDE WANTS IT THE OTHER, BUT NEITHER WILL ACCEPT 253 ANY PART OF THE OTHERS VIEWS. SO WHO DO YOU BELEIVE? IT IS NOT OVER NOW, 254 IT IS JUST THAT THE PRESS HAS MOVED ON TO OTHER MORE INTERESTING THINGS 255 TO TALK ABOUT. THE BATTLE STILL RAGES ON, AND PROBABLY WILL FOR A LONG 256 TIME TO COME. THESE ARE SOME OF THE MORE HEAVY THINGS. WHAT OF THE LITTLE 257 THINGS THAT MANY OF US EVEN KNOW ABOUT, LIKE THE TALE ABOUT GEORGE WAHINGTON 258 WEARING WOODEN FALSE TEETH? MANY HAVE HEARD THIS TO BE UNTRUE SOME TIME 259 IN OUR LIFE YET STILL WE TALK AND JOKE ABOUT IT AND MANY GO ON BELEIVING 260 A LIE... 261 ********** CISTOP MIKEY RANTING AGAIN ************************************ 262 ...................................................................... 263 To leonard...well you managed to miss the computer meeting, so I managed 264 to miss giving you back what you loaned me. 265 To Alex...My uncle went quite a few years ago. It took him several weeks, 266 I can't remember how many, and it was a boat that he refurbished. It was 267 20-30 feet in length, but I can't remember the other dimensions...Sorry 268 I am not much help on the facts, but this was about 8-10 years ago...Sorry.. 269 To the many who are discussing the 'new' controversy...This may bring your 270 rath down apon me, but I must wonder are the conditions of the press really 271 as bad as some of you say? If the government really manipulated the press 272 would it have allowed such things as the Washington Post's storys on 273 Watergate? Sure many of the investigative reporters are buffons, but I think 274 many of them are really dedicated to their cause. It takes guts to go up 275 against the system the way some of them do. I guess what I am trying to say 276 is that although some of our media may be manipulated and weak, but there 277 are some out there in TV and Paper land that really believe in what they 278 are doing. I don't know about you, but I believe 'Big daddy' Ed Whalen! 279 I would certainly like to here some more facts and examples to go along 280 the accusations. Anyone care to accomodate? 281 To Aaron, pick a network, any network...OK...how about the OSSHE to start 282 out with. And don't forget to get me information on a line on one of those 283 special uniforms! 284 .................tHE dROPPED bIT........................................... 285 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 286 indeed, Pam, I left that line just for you.......as to your text above, I 287 found it "adequate". Yet I yearn for some juicy tidbits of suppressed info- 288 rmation that we can all point a scrawny, keyboard-callused finger at. As an 289 example, the suppression of data on DES (Data Encryption Standard). The NSA 290 STILL suppresses data publication of such information. ( I refer anyone 291 intrested in this subject to a document "Freedom to research and publish on 292 cryptography remains unresolved," THE INSTITUTE, May 1978, page 1. By 293 Robert Sugarman.) 294 "Information" is the key to the future. Everything resolves to pure data. 295 Be it organic, electronic, financial or pure thought, it can be collated, 296 manipulated, stored, DISSEMENATED....as data. Future (or current) laws that 297 restrict information on its base levels threaten us more than every other 298 possible "freedom", combined. FOIA (Freedom Of Information Act) and the 299 Privacy Act are two of the MOST POWERFUL TOOLS in the private citizens' 300 arsnell against governmental encroachment onto freedom. Comment? 301 302 Hrothgar! BINGO! The key to freedom is perception. As a system scientist, 303 (nothing to do with computers) I try to understand the mechanisms of 304 organisation. Standing outside a system, though obviously the best way 305 , in fact the definition of an "objective" viewpoint, is not easily 306 realizable with meta-systems such as LIFE_ON_EARTH or HUMAN_INTERACTION; 307 yet is possible with such systems as US_CITIZEN. Key to the propagation 308 of "QUALITY" throughout the earth as a unit (remember the UTOPIA hash..) 309 is the dissemination of external viewpoints. Yes? 310 Aaron 311 oops....TDB: on a private forum. OSSHE is not common knowledge, and it 312 is quite possible to "crash" the network malicously. (read "possible" as 313 "easy"). Maybe at the U sometime. SMC? 2nd floor lounge? 314 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 315 316 I was wondering if anyone has ever thought much about star signs and the 317 ease of relating to others. It has become more and more intresting to 318 me as time goes by that the people I can become really close to tend to 319 be people of "compatable" signs. I have made this observation only after 320 knowing people for awhile.... meaning that I don't try to determine their 321 sign up front but instead give it some time... this way their sign isn't 322 know to me and can't color my feelings ahead of time.... this seems to 323 be true for friends and for "dates" alike. My concern is really centered 324 around the history or star signs and who or what group decided which planets 325 have what influences over people..... anyone read any good references on 326 this subject please let me know. 327 thanks 328 Peter 329 12/16/83 330 @#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@##@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@##@@#@#@##@#@##@#@#@#@#@#@##@#@# 331 ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! 332 I WATCHED THE NUCLEAR WAr ON TV, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCELLANT. I WAS SURE 333 TELEVISION WAS GOING TO MESS IT UP SOMEHOW. YOU KNOW: 334 ATTRACTIVE WOMEN: EEEK! THAT ATOMIC BLAST HAS TORN ALL OUR BLOUSES IN A 335 REVEALING MANNER! 336 BURT REYNOLDS: QUICK! HOP IN THIS POWERFUL CAR AND WE'LL DRIVE AWAY REAL 337 FAST. 338 BUT IT TURNED OUT TO BE A VERY SERIOUS PROGRAM, AND IT HAD SUCH A PROFOUND 339 IMPACT ON THE NATION THAT IT RANKED RIGHT UP THERE WITH THE DALLAS EPISODE 340 WHEREIN WE FOUND OUT WHO SHOT J.R. SO, WE CAN SEE THAT NUCLEAR WAR IS A 341 TOPIC THAT AMERICANS ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT, ALTHOUGH NOT QUITE AS CON- 342 CERNED AS THEY WERE ABOUT THE LAST EPISODE OF M*A*S*H. BUT THERE YOUR TALKIN 343 ABOUT A LONG RUNNING SERIES WITH POPULAR WINISECRACKING CHARACTERS, WHEREAS 344 IN YOUR NUCLEAR-WAR DRAMAS THE CHARACTERS DO VERY LITTLE WISECRACKING INAS- 345 MUCH AS THE VAST MAJORITY OF THEM HAVE BEEN VAPORIZED. 346 THE NETWORK HAD TROUBLE GETTING SPONSERS FOR THE DAY AFTER, BECAUSE VERY FEW 347 COMMERCIALS LOOK MEANINGFUL IN THE CONTEXT OF A NUCLEAR WAR: 348 ANNOUNCER: ONE OF THESE BATHROOM BOWLS WAS CLEANED WITH NEW IMPROVED WIPE' 349 N'CLEAN AND THE OTHER WAS CLEANED WITH THE LEADING BRAND. WE'VE ASKED THIS 350 TYPICAL HOUSEWIFE TO NIFF THEM BOTH AND TELL US WHICH ONE SMELLS FRESHER. 351 WELL, MRS. JONES? 352 MRS. JONES: WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE? WE COULD ALL DIE ANY MOMENT. 353 ANNOUNCER: MY GOD, YOU'RE RIGHT. 354 ********** 355 THE POINT OF THE DAY AFTER AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WAS THAT NUCLEAR WAR IS HOR- 356 RIBLE. I THOUGHT WE ALL AGREED ON THIS POINT SO I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY 357 THE PROGRAM WAS SO CONTROVERSIAL. THE MEDIA SET A NEW OUTDOOR RECORD FOR 358 YAMMERING ABOUT IT IN ADVANCE, AND THE ENTIRE NATION WAS WORKED INTO A LATH- 359 ER. WHERE I LIVE PEOPLE CALLED UP RADIO TALK SHOWS AND VOICED VERY STRONG 360 VIEWS ABOUT THE PROGRAM, PRO AND CON, BEFORE ANY OF THEM HAD SEEN IT. THE 361 EXTREMELY REVEREND JERRY FALWELL SAW A PREVIEW AND SAID IT SHOULD NOT BE 362 BROADCAST AT ALL BECAUSE IT GAVE "A ONE SIDED PRESENTATION". EVIDENTLY JERRY 363 FELT IT SHOULD HAVE SHOWN THE POSITIVE SIDE OF NUCLEAR WAR: 364 NURSE: HOW SHALL I WARM UP YOUR SANDWITCH DOCTOR? 365 JASON ROBARDS: JUST HOLD IT OUT THE WINDOW AND THE RADIATION WILL DO THE 366 REST. 367 HORRIBLY BURNED PERSON: YOU SURE COULDN'T DO THAT BEFORE THE NUCLEAR WAR! 368 CONCERNED PSYCHOLOGY EXPERTS FORMED ALL KINDS OF GROUPS TO HELP THE PUBLIC 369 UNBURDEN ITSELF OF ITS ANXIETIES AFTER WATCHING THE DAY AFTER, BUT IT TURNED 370 OUT THAT THE PUBLIC HAD ALREADY UNBURDENED ITSELF DAYS EARLIER TO THE RADIO 371 TALK SHOWS. THE EXPERTS ALSO SAID CHILDRE COULD BE PSYCHOLOGICALLY SCARRED 372 IF THEY WATCHED THE PROGRAM. THIS MAY WELL BE TRUE, BUT WE MUST BEAR IN MIND 373 THAT EVERY SATURDAY MORNING AMERICAN CHILDREN WATCH CARTOON SHOWS IN WHICH 374 A> 462 Hi, this is my first time. I just thought I'd drop a note 463 to indicate that fact. The stuff on here so far looks real bleary. 464 Is it always this bad? I realize that there's a lot to talk about 465 regarding the end of civilization on the planet, but it reminds me 466 of a short metaphor. It goes something like this: 467 A train is speeding off to certain tragedy. The tracks 468 some miles ahead have been observed to drive straight off 469 a cliff (via telescopes, they find this out, I guess). 470 Suddenly, a very charismatic leader steps up and shouts, 471 "I know what we'll do... lets ALL get over to the LEFT 472 side of the train. The LEFT side is the proper side 473 to be on to handle issues like that. Let's go!" and 474 a large portion of the train's passengers follow him 475 to the left side of the train. Then, another person 476 jumps up (being not quite convinced that being on the 477 left side of the train is really gonna work) and sez, 478 "I know... since being on the LEFT side of the train 479 isn't really gonna work, let's get everyone over to 480 the RIGHT side of the train! That's what we REALLY 481 need!!". For many minutes, each leader tries to get 482 as many of the followers from the other group to 483 come around to their own point of view. Some fights 484 and riots even break out. Of course, the train goes 485 over the cliff. 486 Is being righe 487 Is being right about this MORE important than cooperating to find 488 a solution? What we need are tracklayers. Those that have 489 the guts to get out IN FRONT OF the train, and re lay the track. 490 ANY POINT OF VIEW THAT ALREADY EXISTS ONLY LEADS TO MORE OF THE 491 SAME! This is a metaphysical definition. Once a point of view 492 is put in place, the only things that can show up in that space 493 are things that are shaped and molded by the point of view. 494 LET'S ALL NOTICE THAT NONE OF US *REALLY* WANTS THIS GAME TO END! 495 Stop being "right" about your position. If you do, notice that too. 496 Enough said for a first-time message. By the way, any messages 497 signed with "MERLYN" before were entered not by me. This is 498 my first time. Thanks for the ear. Remember, you are the only 499 one that exists at the center of your universe. Use your 500 position wisely, or you won't get to play anymore. YOU make 501 the difference in your universe. 502 503 -- MERLYN -- <<-->><<-->><<-->><<-->><<-->><<-->> 504 ############################################################ 505 # DOES THIS MEAN THIS CHAP HAS STOLEN MERLYN'S NAME? HOW # 506 # UTTERLY OUTRAGEOUS. MUSTN'T TELL HIM MINE, NOW, MUST I? # 507 # THE BLOODY CHAP MIGHT STEAL IT. TACKY, TACKY, TACKY. # 508 ############################################################ 509 ====================================== 510 511 Dear Folks: 512 513 I hate Kansas. I hate the 514 farm. I hate tornadoes. I'm leaving 515 and I am taking the dog. 516 517 Dorthy 518 519 520 ======================================= 521 NOW ON WITH THE SERIOUS STUFF...IT'S GETTING GOOD 522 ==================================================== 523 KRIST ON A KRUTCH, WILL INFERIOR PEOPLE EVER STOP DIALING UP THIS SYSTEM 524 AND PATRONISING US REGARDING OUR METHODS AND SUBJECTS OF DEBATE?!!!??., 525 PROBABLY NOT...... 526 527 DEAR MERLYN IN PARTICULAR: NOBODY HERE IS IMPRESSED BY YOUR LEAVING 528 150 LINES OF FRENCH POETRY YOU DIDN'T WRITE ON A DISK THAT HAS LIMITED 529 SPACE, CHUMP. LEAVE US SOMETHING ORIGINAL, IF IT NEEDS TO BE OVER A FEW 530 LINES. GIVE US SOMETHING GOOD, AND SOMEBODY HERE MIGHT CARE WHAT YOU 531 THINK ABOUT ANYTHING WE HERE HAVE TO SAY. SO FAR YOUR MESSAGES HAVE BEEN 532 PURE ADOLESCENT TRIPE. 533 534 DEAR MERLYN #2 : PLEASE GO AHEAD AND USE MERLYN #1'S NAME. IT'S TOO GOOD 535 A NAME FOR HIM. 536 537 LEONARD: BEING ABLE TO GRIPE ABOUT BEING LIED TO IS *NOT* AS GOOD AS 538 EVERYBODY HAVING ACCURATE INFORMATION ABOUT THE NATION AND THE WORLD. 539 WHEN THE POWERS THAT BE SUCCEED IN LYING TO YOU, THEY GET THE KIND 540 OF RESULTS, THE KIND OF WORLD, THAT THEY WANT. OR THINK THEY WANT. AND 541 YOU GET THE SHAFT. 542 543 TO SOMEBODY ABOVE: YOU DON'T NEED TO READ EVERY THING PUBLISHED IN THIS 544 COUNTRY TO GET A BETTER VEIW, YOU NEED TO READ THE PRESS OF OTHER COUNTRIES 545 (ALWAYS KEEPING IN MIND WHICH AXE, IF ANY, IS BEING GROUND). 546 A GOOD FIRST SOURCE IS THE "WORLD PRESS IN REVEIW" MAGAZINE, FORMERLY 547 ATLAS MAGAZINE. THE HAVE ARTICLES EVERY MONTH FROM THE PRESS IN EVERY 548 COUNTRY. SOMETIMES THIS MAGAZINE CAN BE A REAL EYE OPENER. ANOTHER 549 GOOD SOURCE IS THE LONDON SUNDAY TIMES. READING THE PRESS OF NEUTRAL 550 COUNTRIES LIKE SWEDEN AND SWITZERLAND CAN BE EVEN MORE ENLIGHTENING, 551 ALTHOUGH IMPOSSIBLE FOR MOST PEOPLE OTHER THAN THROUGH FACILITIES 552 LIKE "WORLD PRESS IN REVEIW". 553 ALSO, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MAGAZINES INTENDED FOR GOVERNMENT 554 FUNCTIONARIES IN THE STATE DEPT AND FOR ACADEMICS, DOD TYPES AND 555 SO ON THAT ARE VALUABLE BECAUSE THE ESTABLISHMENT DOESN'T LIE TO ITSELF 556 AS OFTEN AS IT LIES TO YOU. THESE ARE "FOREIGN POLICY" AND "FOREIGN 557 AFFAIRS" MAGAZINES. 558 MANY OF THE ABOVE ARE AVAILABLE AT RICH'S CIGAR STORE AT 9TH AND S.W. 559 ALDER. 560 ALSO, CANADIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION NEWS IS AVAILABLE FROM 561 KPBS AT ABOUT 4 TO 6 OCLOCK EVERY DAY (ABOUT 14 OR 15 HUNDRED AM ON THE 562 DIAL OF YOUR CAR RADIO, GOOD FOR FREEWAY LISTENING WHEN DRIVING HOME) 563 I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THE PURPOSE OF DISCUSSING THE AMERICAN 564 PRESS AND THE FOREIGN PRESS AS WELL IF WE WOULD ALL GO READ SOME OF THE 565 FOREIGN PRESS FOR PURPOSES OF COMPARISON. NOT THAT I AM IMPLYING THAT 566 NOBODY ON THIS BBS EVER DOES. THIS IS QUITE AN OPEN MINDED GROUP, 567 AT LEAST AS A GROUP. 568 BY THE WAY, IF THE RUSSIAN PRESS ALWAYS LIED, WE WOULDN'T HIRE HUNDREDS 569 OF PEOPLE FOR THE SECURITY SERVICES TO TRANSLATE THEIR MAGAZINES, WOULD 570 WE? OUR MILITARY ANALYSTS OFTEN QUOTE RUSSIAN MILITARY MAGAZINES IN 571 ARTICLES I READ ABOUT RUSSIAN TACTICS AND POLITICAL THOUGHT. 572 IN EVERY COUNTRY THERE IS A MIXTURE OF TRUTH AND FICTION IN THE PRESS, 573 SOME COUNTRIES MORE THAN OTHERS. IT HAPPENS THAT OURS AS WELL AS THE 574 RUSSIAN'S PRESS IS KNEE DEEP IN DECEPTIVE HORSESHIT, WITH LITTLE 575 KERNALS OF TRUTH POPPING TO THE SURFACE LIKE LITTLE BITS OF YELLOW 576 CORN ON A STRICTLY OCCASSIONAL BASIS. THIS MAKES UNDERSTANDING THE 577 NEWS A FULL TIME JOB ALL BY ITSELF, WHICH IS WHAT THE BASTARDS 578 COUNT ON, KNOWING WE WON'T TAKE THE TIME TO CUT THROUGH THE CRAP. 579 THIS IS WHAT KEEPS MOST OF US POOR AND THE LEBANESE, CAMBODIANS, 580 ETHIOPIANS,,,, DYING IN A WORLD WHERE NONE OF THIS WASTE IS NECESSARY. 581 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE BAD TEMPERED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 582 ################################# 583 I'M REALLY IMPRESSED! EVERYONE HAS 584 TAKEN A GOOD LOOK AROUND THEM 585 AND SEEN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! 586 HERE, LET ME EXPLAIN IT TO YOU... 587 OH, NEVER MIND, YOU WOULDN'T 588 UNDERSTAND ANYWAY! 589 ########### THOR ################# 590 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 591 MERLYN THE NEW, YOUR ANALOGY IS INTERESTING, BUT I THINK THE PROBLEM 592 IS THAT MOST BELIEVE THAT THE TRACKS WON'T END BECAUSE THEY WON'T LOOK. AND 593 WHILE IT'S TRUE WE MUST NOT ARGUE TOO MUCH ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE TRACKS, 594 IF WE DON'T DISCUSS THE PROBLEM BEFORE ATTEMPTING TO DO SOMETHING, WE MAY 595 FIND OURSELVES LAYING THE WRONG GAUGE TRACK, OR WORSE YET, FIGHTING AMONGST 596 OURSELVES OVER WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT ALL. ACTION IS INDEED IMPORTANT, BUT 597 BLIND UNPLANNED ACTION CAN BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. 598 BAD, MY BLACK MOOD HAS BEEN DEVELOPING SLOWLY OVER THE LAST 2 YEARS ON 599 THIS SUBJECT, BUT I THINK IT WAS BROUGHT TO A HEAD RECENTLY BY ONE SPECIFIC 600 EVENT. MAYOR KOCH OF NEW YORK WROTE A LETTER TO CAP WEINBERGER, ASKING HIM 601 WHY HIS RECENT TRIP TO BEIRUT HAD BEEN KEPT FROM THE AMERICAN NEWS MEDIA. A 602 SIMPLE THING, ONE MIGHT THINK, EXCEPT MAYOR KOCH THEN FOUND CAP HAD GOTTEN 603 THE F.B.I. TO START AN INVESTIGATION OF HIM PERSONALLY AND TO FIND OUT HOW 604 HE GOT THE INFORMATION. KOCH WAS OUTRAGED, AS HE MERELY READ IT IN AN ARAB 605 NEWSPAPER BOUGHT AT A NEW YORK BOOKSTORE! ONCE AGAIN, ONE EVENT ONLY, BUT 606 COMBINED WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, THEY DEMONSTRATE A SENSE OF PARANOIA AND A 607 REAL ANTIPATHY TOWARDS BOTH THE PRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BY THIS AD- 608 MINISTRATION. 609 HROTHGAR, YOU ARE QUITE CORRECT. WE MUST REMAIN INFORMED, AND FROM ALL 610 ENDS OF THE SPECTRUM. SO OFTEN, I FIND THE INFORMATION I RECEIVE FROM THE 611 PRESS OF ALL SIDES TO BE BIASED AND SLANTED, FAVORING THE VIEW THAT PUTS 612 THEIR OWN EDITORIAL POSITION IN THE BEST LIGHT. I ALWAYS TRY TO REMEMBER 613 WHAT THE POINT OF VIEW A MAGAZINE OR PAPER HAS, OR IF THERE IS ANY POSSIBLE 614 CONFLICT OF INTEREST (SUCH AS JUST ABOUT ANY REPORTING OF STRIKES OR UNION 615 ACTIVITY. AFTER ALL, EVEN THE "FREE PRESS" IS A BUSINESS) AND INTERPRET IT'S 616 REPORTING ACCORDINGLY. IT'S NOT A FOOLPROOF SYSTEM, BUT IT HELPS ME TO SEP- 617 ARATE THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF A LITTLE.BUT SOMETIMES, IT'S JUST NOT ENOUGH. 618 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 619 ************************************************************ 620 THE ADVANTAGE OF BEING A CISTOP IS THAT YOU CAN BE THE LAST ONE 621 ON A DISK EVEN WHEN THERE WAS NO ROOM. 622 SORRY PAM, I COULDN'T HELP MYSELF! EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE 623 I GET THESE WILD URGES TO DO THIS SORT OF THING. 624 I WAS ON CLEANING UP DRIVE A TO OPEN UP A LITTLE MORE ROOM TO 625 HOLD IT OFF TIL I GOT HOME, AND JUST COULDN'T HELP TACKING THIS ON 626 TO DRIVE B. SIGH... FORGIVE ME? ......................... 627 ************ CISTOP MIKEY **************************