LIST FILE ON MARGIN IS 76 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ************************* REMOVED: 16 DEC 83 ************************ 3 Welcome to BWMS (Backwater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the disk, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 I have been asked to comment on the recent goings on here, very well, i 26 shall provide it. "No comment". 27 I do not have strong feelings as to how this system is used, as long as 28 it doesn't get too far out of hand I refuse to do any thing in any way. 29 There have been a few complaints about "lurkers" hanging on the system 30 for hours. I assure you, that this is not the case. The average connect 31 time is 15 min. If anything, the abusers of time are the 'old timers'. 32 here, when they get into a rave they can hang on for over an hour. 33 (Including yours truly I'm afraid!) 34 Anyhow, as you have noticed, yes the system is in transistion yet once 35 again. This is inevitable. The system always fluctuates. Some will survive 36 the change, and others will move on. I think that the upcoming bwms party 37 (assuming it takes place; which it appears now that it will) will have 38 a major impact on the new form which bwms will take. We'll see. 39 As for party time, I am open as log as I can get a weeks warning to be 40 able to schedule around it. Though I must warn you that business will 41 take presidence. I will notify you in advance as I am unable to make it 42 if it comes to that, though I do hope that that won't happen. 43 ******** CISTOP MIKEY *********** 13 NOV 83 ********* 8:30PM *********** 44 P.S. I JUST WASTED 1/2 HOUR OF YOUR PRECIOUS TIME, SO I'LL GET OFF AND 45 LET SOMEONE ELSE USE BWMS. 46 *********************************************************************** 47 48 Aaron: Greatings. 49 50 Finally got almost everything working on my terminal program. I still have 51 to work on the buffer section, and the set-up menu...but the rest works fine. 52 53 As for the "Party" goes, you can count me in if my schedule is free for the 54 selected day. And last.... 55 56 I vote to CAN Jody and Luke...I've heard it before on this system, and I 57 don't think we need it again. 58 59 Well Aaron, I will probably speak with you tonight.... 60 61 ALL: let's start an interesting conversation....anything! 62 63 64 The Sysm...Back from the long hibernation. 65 66 +*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+* 67 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 68 69 ALL: If you will leave ON THE SYSTEM the DAY(s) and TIME(s) O.K. for 70 you for the party, I will keep a running total of votes accrued. Include 71 prefered location. 72 73 Sysm: tonight it is....... 74 Aaron 75 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 76 o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_ 77 I think the online romance is as sweeeeettt as fresh blood, but remember the 78 Black Widow's way............ 79 o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o_o*********** Aqualung ********o_o_o_ 80 81 Oh, let'em have their fun. Haven't left a message in a long while, 82 please don't call me a lurker. Will come to the party, whenever it is. 83 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!P.V. Jeltz!!!!!!!!!!! 84 ........................................................................ 85 To Aaron...OryCon...at times a zoo, at other times frustrating, at other 86 times, pure euphoria to a true SF fan. Several hundred attended, but it 87 usually didn't feel like it was over crowded. Some of the panel discusions 88 and guest speakers were very interesting, others were, shall we say, old 89 hat and boring. 90 All in all, a pretty enjoyable show, but let me tell you, there are some 91 strang people down there. They really come out at the costume party! 92 93 The DEC system I use runs TOPS20, a truely enjoyable OS. Are you familiar 94 with it? 95 Interesting idea for your new BBS. But one note. I have seen this before, 96 and when too many restrictions on membership occur, the BBS soon restricts 97 itself right out of members. I am confident, that if you go ahead with 98 your plans, you will use good judgement. 99 ..............The dropped Bit............................................. 100 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 101 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 102 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 103 This is a very loose and unrestricted BBS, as compared with the others I've 104 been looking at lately. I'm just trying out this Hayes Micromodem on trial 105 for a few days, and am still uncertain whether I'll buy it or not. In the 106 mean time, I've been dialing up numerous other BBS's, and so far this is by 107 FAR the most liberal....although it did take me all day to get on-line. 108 Anyway, thanks for the insight. 109 110 Brian 111 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 112 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 113 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 114 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 115 116 Dropped Bit: No, never have used it. I fear I wouldn't like it unless 117 it's very VMS or MPE like. As to the restrictive environment, I too share 118 your fears of it getting out of hand. I don't want to restrict what is said 119 on my system; just who says it. (!) I would picture it to be a safe haven; a 120 refuge from the storm, where the users know each other and the system. 121 122 Are you a programmer, or are you into systems management, or an end user? 123 Aaron 124 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 125 TO ALL 126 FROM: CHRIS BURNS 127 SUBJ: KGON COMPUTER 128 129 CALL THE NEWEST BBS IN TOWN, THE 130 K G O N C O M P U T E R 131 657-xxxx 132 FREE ALBUMS TO FIRST TEN ONLINE AFTER SIX TONIGHT 133 MONDAY, NOV14TH,1983. 134 THANKS AND PASS NUMBER AROUND, 135 WE'LL TAKE THE BUBBLEGUM. 136 137 SYSOP, IF YOU READ THIS, I NEED A MESSAGE POSTED WIH THE KGON 138 BBS NUMBER ON IT 657-xxxx 139 SORRY, CAN'T SEEM TO FIGURE THIS SYSTEM OUT 140 ON SHORT NOTICE. I'LL BE BACK ONLINE LATER TO 141 SEE WHAT GOES ON HERE. 142 THANKS, 143 CHRIS BURNS 144 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 145 Well, I have definatly seen it from all points..though seems that most 146 people don't mind Luke and I conversing this way on this system. However.... 147 there still is that few who don't want us to use this system. Question: if 148 we don't stop..... are you going to quit using this system? 149 If so then I think we should kick this thing in the bucket. But I really 150 don't think any of you would change from the Inn to a lesser just because of 151 a small quavering of the hearts. WOULD YOU???? 152 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxJodyxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxP.S.xx 153 Luke: howdy...... haven't heard from you in a while. I hope this (small) 154 rant doesn't drive you off.(hee,haw). 155 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 156 157 Great buys on computer hardware and software,can match or 158 beat Conroy-LaPoint's prices. Call Universal Computer at 159 659-xxxx. Big sale now on Spirit 80 print for $300...just 160 like the Epson MX-80 only better print head and quality. 161 162 break 163 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 164 Dearest Jody, 165 No small rant would drive me off. Until you say so I am going to 166 continue this. I would really like to meet you, but it sounds like your 167 weekend schedule is used up for next weekend. When is your next available 168 time? Are you going to be busy friday too? My heart grows lonelier each 169 and every day! The ball is in your court. What do you say? I'll be 170 checking in later today(if I can get through)... 171 a bien tot mon amour 172 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke |||||||||||| 173 PS If we switched BBS's, which one would you want to go to? 174 (*)(:)(*)(:)(*)(:)(*)(:)(*)(:)(*)(:)(*)(:)(*)(:)(*)(:)(*)(:)(*)( 175 Hello dear Luke........ 176 Ths friday is bad too. Any other weekend would be fine I think though. How 177 about for you. I don't mind using this system. If we are forced to leave 178 **************************************************************************** 179 180 181 Jody/Luke: noone wants you to leave the system.... 182 Those of us that care merely wish the conversation take a different route. 183 184 The Sysm....not really caring. 185 186 **************************************************************************** 187 188 **************************************************************** Luke: (I 189 was disconnectd but I'm back now). We could change to the CCBS if we have t 190 o. I really don't want to. But if this type of conversation is not wanted 191 maybe we should keep this conversation on a different BBS. I am willing to 192 meet you almost anytime on a weekend other than the 18th-20th. I am really 193 curious to meet you. You have a lonely heart? Maybe I can cure it. Then 194 again.... maybe not. And visa-versa. Have I yet told you what I looked like? 195 Did you already know? Am I going to find out your real name when I meet you? 196 I have no intensions of making you reveal yourself on this system. But maybe 197 in person??? Let me know............. 198 199 Au revoir mon petit amie. Je t'aime tres beaucoup 200 Salut! 201 **************************************************************************** 202 To you two would-be lovers: PMS (245-xxxx) is a quiet, secluded little 203 place perfectly suited for whispering sweet nothings. Please go there. 204 Though a whiff of romance makes me smile, I tire of listening to it, 205 and encourage both of you to contribute IDEAS when visiting the Inn! 206 (Would YOU like to eavesdrop on someone elses' pillow talk?) 207 {{><}}=={{><}}=={{><}}=={{><}}=={{><}}=={{><}}=={{><}}=={{><}}=={{><}} 208 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 209 OK...enough is enough. One last message to Jody, and after that, I'll try to 210 get back into the traditional conversations that was prevalent in the Inn before 211 I met Jody. 212 To Jody...the weekend of 25-27th is good. That also happens to be Thanksgiving 213 weekend? How about you? Of course I am not going through the rest of 214 my life as Luke. That is a mere pseudo name for use only on BWMS. Of line I 215 DO have a real name(as well as names people call me) Let me know on the weekend 216 thing. But we better cool it. I am still anxious to meet, but we should give 217 the other users a break(did I hear a cheer from the other patrons in the INN?) 218 anyway, chat with you later mon amour. 219 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke |||||||||||||||||||||||||| 220 'And now for something, completely different' 221 If any other good users of the Inn watched 60 minutes last Sunday, you 222 no doubt say the segment about ABC's upcoming movie, 'The Day After'. A 223 movie which covers the affect of nuclear war on a small midwest town, that 224 happens to be located near some little ol' missle silos(targets). The anti 225 nuclear fweapons groups(pro-freeze) are having a field day. Running commercials 226 with big name stars, showing pirated copies of the movie at rallys and so forth. 227 The anti-freeze ( and moral majority leader Jerry Falwell, recovering from 228 his PentHouse interview no doubt) are very much against the movie. ABC shrugs 229 its shoulders and says the movie is a-political. Since we were just about 230 to get into a big nuclear debate(we have had everything else), how is this for 231 a base of discussion? If we can all recover from the 'Love BBS' and get back 232 to the hardline issues and stands that have made 233 BWMS famous. Well??? 234 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke ||||||||||||||||| 235 ---------------------------------------- "FOUR BE THE THINGS I'D BEEN BETTER 236 WITHOUT: LOVE,CURIOSITY, FRECKLES, AND DOUBT" 237 -DOROTHY PARKER 238 239 240 241 ******************************************************************************** 242 "IN TIME OF WAR, THE FIRST CASUALTY IS TRUTH" 243 -BOAKE CARTER 244 245 ******************************************************************************** 246 247 "I ONCE SHOT AN ELEPHANT IN MY PAJAMAS.... 248 -GROUCH MARX 249 250 ******************************************************************************** 251 252 ........................................................................ 253 tHE Love BBS! Well now! 254 To Aaron. I am a programmer/user. My main purpose is not programming, but 255 to accomplish my main purpose, I have to program. I have had to become quite 256 familiar with the system and computers in general to make things easier for 257 me. Are you a student/programmer/systems analyst/or what? From reading your 258 messages, it sounds like you have a good computer background. 259 It will be interesting to see the new turn BWMS will take now. What do 260 you think about the 261 whole situation? And if you would rather not answer THAT question, what is 262 your opinion of the nuclear freeze movement(just to get soemthing new 263 rolling)? 264 ...............The dropped Bit........................................... 265 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 266 Luke.... 267 I am sorry to say you are probably right about cutting this fun and sweet 268 conversation. I think the weekend of the 25th would be good. I don't see any 269 problem with it. What should we do while we are there? Do you like the 270 Electic Palace? Thats usualy where I spend most of my time. I would enjoy 271 doing almost anything though.(except iceskating). Well, I guess its fairly put 272 together huh? All except time and which day. But maybe we should cross that 273 bridge just before we come to it. Well, I guess thats it for our lovely little 274 conversations for the time being (**sniff**sniff**). 275 *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-Jody-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- 276 277 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 278 Dropped Bit: Bingo! thats me! student/programmer/systems analyst. I seem 279 to be doing more systems analysis than any of the others at the moment 280 (currently translating a DP shop's accounting from "human" to "computer") 281 282 As for BWMS becoming a lovers haven; I feel like I am listening in on one 283 of those tele-sex services advertised in Playboy , and other periodicals 284 of that ilk. I dislike it with a passion. Sysm's wrong. Leave. Please. 285 286 If I had the power, I would remove every ICBM silo in the US in an 287 instant; even if the USSR's were still kept. I can't justify wiping a few 288 100M humans (be they Rusky, or not) from existence just to keep the USA 289 safe from socialism or communism or anything. My relative comfort dosn't 290 equate with x number of lives. 291 Aaron 292 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 293 WELL NOW! 294 DEAR JODY AND LUKE: PLEASE NOTE EXTENSIVE SUPPORT GIVEN TO YOU POSITION 295 AT END OF LAST DISK. DON'T LEAVE. AARON SEEMS TO HAVE BECOME AN OLD 296 CURMUDGEON AT THE AGE OF TWENTY.(OR SO?) 297 I SHOULD HAVE CHECKED OUT THIS DISK BEFORE I STARTED FILLING UP THE END 298 OF THAT ONE. BUT WHEN I SIGNED ON THERE WAS NO ANSWER TO MY FIRST CALL, 299 JUST NO CONNECT AND I ASSUMED WRONGLY THAT MIKEY HAD JUST CHANGED DISKS 300 AS THE END OF B WAS UNUSED. 301 TO REITERATE: A FEW OF THESE TECHNONERDS WOULD RATHER BITCH AND COMPLAIN 302 THAN BILL AND COO. THAT DOESN'T MAKE THEM SMARTER THAN YOU ARE. 303 DON'T LEAVE THE SYSTEM. PLEASE. 304 305 NOW ON ANOTHER NOTE: DOES THE PLACE AT HAYDEN ISLAND ALLOW MINORS? 306 AGREE SOME SORT OF RESTAURANT BEST. AS LONG AS WE STAY IN THE RESTAURANT 307 AREA, THOSE WHO WANTED TO COULD STILL GET A BEER WHILE ACCOMODATING 308 THOSE WHO DON'T. 309 310 MIKEY, WHAT ARE YOU ALLERGIC TO ? MSG? MOST OF THOSE CHINESE PLACES WILL 311 HOLD THE MSG IF YOU ASK THEM TO AND SAY YOU ARE ALLERGIC. 312 313 DOES ANYBODY HERE KNOW ANYONE DOING COMMERCIAL-QUALITY WORK IN COMPUTER 314 GRAPHICS FOR TV, MOVIES, OR VIDEO PRODUCTIONS, OF FOR PRINTED REPRODUCTION 315 THAT WOULD BE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH ME AND MAYBE SHOW OFF THE 316 EQUIPMENT, ETC? 317 318 WEEKEND NEXT OK WITH ME OR WEEKEND AFTER. 319 320 THE NEED FOR A NUCLEAR WEAPONS BAN IS SO APPARENT TO ME AT THIS POINT 321 THAT I REFUSE TO DEBATE IT ANY MORE. LETS FIND ANOTHER TOPIC. I'VE BEEN 322 ON THAT ONE FOR TWENTY YEARS. 323 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE PUBLIC SPIRITED!!!!!!!!!!!! 324 325 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 326 327 LUKE & JODY, THERE IS NO ANGER ON MY PART AT LEAST, BUT A BIT OF 328 WISTFULNESS. IT REMINDS ME OF YOUNGER DAYS (THOUGH I'M REALLY NOT THAT 329 OLD) WHEN SUCH THINGS CAME EASIER. PLEASE DON'T GO (SORRY AARON), BUT 330 GIVE US MORE OF YOUR MINDS AS WELL AS YOUR HEARTS. I LIKE VARIED CON- 331 VERSATION, AND IT BOTHERS ME A LITTLE WHEN ANY ONE SUBJECT DOMINATES 332 FOR VERY LONG (INCLUDING RELIGION!). 333 334 MIKEY, YOU SOUND A BIT IRRITATED. IF IT WAS SOMETHING I SAID IN A 335 FIT OF UNMITIGATED FOOLISHNESS, PLEASE FORGIVE ME. IF IT WAS SOMETHING 336 ANOTHER USER(S) SAID, WE'RE ALL JUST CHILDREN ANYWAY, AND KIDS DO AND 337 SAY SILLY THINGS. BUT THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS ANGER YOU, AND I'D 338 RATHER LEAVE THE INN PERMANENTLY THAN RISK YOUR ALIENATION. 339 340 AARON, YOUR BB SOUNDS GREAT, BUT I HAVE NEVER JOINED A "MEMBERS ONLY" 341 SYSTEM FOR TWO REASONS: 342 1) MEMBERS ONLY CLUBS BECOME STAGNANT AND BORING DUE TO THE LACK OF NEW 343 PEOPLE AND IDEAS. HOW WOULD YOU GET NEW USERS? 344 2) I LOVE MY ANONYMITY. IT ALLOWS ME TO SAY UNUSUAL THINGS AND TAKE 345 CONTROVERSIAL STANDS WITHOUT THE FEAR THAT THEY MIGHT COME BACK TO HAUNT 346 ME IN MY EVERYDAY LIFE AS CLARK KENT, MILD MANNERED REPORTER.... 347 FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS RELATIVE. WE CAN SAY WHAT WE WANT, BUT WE MAY HAVE 348 TO PAY A PRICE. HOW WOULD I PAY THE FEE AND YET REMAIN ANONYMOUS (EXCUSE 349 ME, ANON!)? 350 351 AH, NUKES. I ONCE WAS VERY VOCAL ABOUT SUCH THINGS, MARCHING, 352 COLLECTING DONATIONS, ETC.. I EVEN HAD A NICE LITTLE SCAR PLACED ON THE 353 SIDE OF MY HEAD BY A JACK-BOOTED STORM-TROOPER WHO DECIDED TO SHOW HOW 354 HEROIC HE WAS BY CRACKING THE SKULL OF A BYSTANDER (I STILL BEAR SOME 355 ANIMOSITY TOWARD HIS FUHRER, REAGAN). MAYBE MY IMPOSING 5' AND 89lbs. 356 FRIGHTENED HIM. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM FALWELL AND OTHERS, IT'S NOT 357 THE FACTS OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN AFTER SUCH AN EVENT THAT THEY FIND BOTHER- 358 SOME. IT'S THE IDEA THAT THE CONCEPT OF DETERRENCE THROUGH MIGHT COULD 359 FAIL, THAT THE WAR COULD EVEN HAPPEN, THAT HAS GOTTEN UNDER THEIR SKIN. 360 361 I'VE TAKEN UP MORE SPACE THAN I PLANNED, SO I'LL JUST SIGN OFF AND 362 LET SOMEONE ELSE GRIPE AWHILE. 363 364 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM-[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 365 366 ---------------------------------------- 367 368 "IF SOMEONE SAYS THAT WAR IS NECESSARY FOR REVOLUTION, ONE MUST REPLY THAT 369 IN A WAR THE WORKING CLASSES DIE MOST OF ALL" 370 -NIKITA KRUSHCHEV 371 372 373 ---------------------------------------- 374 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 375 To all: I have NO intension of leaving this particular BBS. None what so 376 ever! I am willing to cut this conversation down to an occasional reply but 377 I won't leave this system unless sysop Mike wants me to. 378 379 I am fairly new to this BBS though. I have just recently picked up on what 380 the Inn was. Now I wonder who is Mikey? I sometimes think he is the sysop 381 but the 'intro' says Mike Day is the sysop. I get confused. Would someone 382 explain it to me? 383 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^JODY^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 384 385 IT WAS SOFT HEADED KNEE JERK LIBERAL THINKING LIKE THAT THAT GOT 386 KRUSCHEV PURGED. ANYBODY READ HIS MEMOIRS? IT WAS CONSIDERED A MILESTONE 387 IN RUSSIAN POLITICAL LIFE WHEN THEY LET HIM LIVE AFTER BEING 'RETIRED'. 388 HE WAS THE FIRST RUSSIAN LEADER SINCE THE REVOLUTION TO LIVE THROUGH THE 389 PROCESS OUTSIDE OF SIBERIA. AN EXTREMELY INTERESTING FIGURE. SPEAKING OF 390 GOOD NUCLEAR SENSE, IT WAS PROBABLY KRUSCHEV, NOT KENNEDY, WHO KEPT THE 391 WORLD FROM BEING BLOWN UP OVER THE CUBAN MISSILE CRISIS. PEOPLE WORRY 392 A LOT ABOUT RUSSIAN SNEAK ATTACKS. ACTUALLY, THEY ARE QUITE CONSERVATIVE 393 IN RUSSIA ABOUT WAR. FOR CENTURIES, THEY HAVE HAD TO BE DRAGGED INTO A 394 CONFRONTATION, USUALLY BY BEING ATTACKED. 395 REMEMBER, THEY JUST UP AND DROPPED OUT OF WORLD WAR 1. ONLY GOT INTO 396 WW2 WHEN HITLER DOUBLE CROSSED THEM AND ATTACKED. ETC. 397 THEY DO TEND TO HANG ONTO OCCUPIED TERRITORY, THOUGH. AND DO A LOT 398 OF AGITATION THROUGH SATTELITE STATES.(WHAT WE WOULD CALL OUR 'LOYAL ALLIES 399 OF THE FREE WORLD' OR SOME SUCH DRIVEL). 400 ANYWAY, IF THEIR HISTORY IS ANY INDICATION, AS WELL AS CONSIDERING 401 THE TROUBLE THEY MIGHT HAVE JUST HOLDING TOGETHER EASTERN EUROPE, (AND 402 THE USSR'S ASIATIC STATES AS WELL), THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE THE FIRST TO' 403 START A MAJOR CONFRONTATION ONE ON ONE. 404 LATELY, I'VE BEEN MORE WORRIED THAT WE MIGHT DO IT. ESPECIALLY SINCE SO 405 MANY IMPORTANT PEOPLE HAVE BOMB-PROOF DIGS NOW. THERE ARE GIANT UNDERGROUND 406 APARTMENTS JUST OUTSIDE L.A. AND OTHER CITIES NOW. DEEP UNDERGROUND, SELF 407 CONTAINED FOR A YEAR AND *EXPENSIVE*. SAW AN AD FOR ONE. WHEN THE RICH HAVE 408 A CHANCE OF LIVING THROUGH A WAR, EVEN IF THEY'RE KIDDING THEMSELVES, 409 LOOK OUT! 410 AND WHEN THE FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISTS WHO HAVE HAD SO MUCH INFLUENCE ON 411 THE GOVERNMENT LATELY REALIZE THEY MIGHT LOSE THE NEXT ELECTION AND 412 HAVE TO WAIT 20 YEARS FOR THEIR NEXT CHANCE...... 413 GUESS I COULDN'T STAND THE PRESSURE OF KEEPING MY MOUTH SHUT ABOUT IT 414 AFTER ALL....... NO SURPRISE TO YOU ALL, I BET... 415 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE LOQUATIOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 416 ....................................................................... 417 To Aaron...I'll be back in a while. Got on, then found out I had to leave 418 in a hurry. I want to address some of the things you said. 419 ............The dropped Bit............................................ 420 I really can't understand what Aaron and others might dislike about the 421 conversation between Jody and Luke. It may be more direct , but I really 422 fail to see the difference between their talk and the former manuverings 423 with the Dragon Lady. It would take a real rationalizer (if that is a 424 proper word) to deny the obvious sexual overtones of those epistles on 425 BWMS. 426 427 Come on gentlepeople. What's wrong with some innocent fun. Isn't that 428 what life should be? It's bad enough that we have to live with the 429 specter of nuclear destruction without condemning natural heterosexual 430 attractions. 431 {}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{}{}{} November 15, 1983 {}{}{}{}{} 1842 PST 432 Why should Jody and Luke be excluded because of their particular present 433 topic. Is it any different really than an other or should it be a rule that 434 boy must not speak to girl or vise versa. Really, now! 435 Jody and Luke I'm with you, continue. 436 437 George Lurker. 438 ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''`````````````````````````````` 439 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 440 To Jody and others. Thank you very much for your support. The messages Jody 441 and I left were not meant to insult or embarrase anyone. They are what they 442 are. Someone using this system to meet someone else. I personally hope things 443 work out for the best, but if that is not the case, then so be it. I have still 444 had a lot of fun here, and I hope to continue to do so. Again I thank those 445 who saw the true light of our messages, and to the others, I apologize. 446 To Jody. The weekend of the 25th it is. What about Friday? Isn't that the 447 usual start of 'Ce weekend.'? That would be best for me. I get home from 448 work about 5:00-5:30. After that I am free. We could meet at the Electric 449 Palace, but I hope we would move on. I used to play video games alot, then 450 kind of fell out of using them, and now play them occasionally, but not 451 like I used to. Anyway, there are plenty of things to do there, eating, movies 452 , stores, and big screen TV's(whoppie). 453 I'm sure we can find plenty to do. 454 To Hrothgar the ?. Sorry to hear you don't want to discuss the nuclear(unclear) 455 subject. Your messages are always full of insightful information, but I under- 456 stand your reasoning. I hate to harp of a subject, but I think this is one 457 where the more information available to the public, the better. The 'elite' 458 we have elected now have us in a spot. If something is not done, I am really 459 afraid that I might not see the far side of 20. I don't want to sound like 460 a 'knee jerk liberal', but the way things are escalating, I see only one 461 option for our little planet, and the option is not a good one. I wish there 462 was a simple answer, and I don't think some of the techniques used today 463 are really appropriate, but I don't see any clear paths. It is a confusing 464 subject. I don't know...I guess the only thing we can do is try to live 465 our lives and hope for the best. But that seems so hopeless to. Anybody out 466 there have any ideas for the nuclear confused? 467 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 468 *************************************************************************** 469 PAM: THE ONLY THING THAT YOU COULD DO TO ALIENATE ME WOULD BE TO LEAVE THE 470 SYSTEM. SORRY IF I SOUNDED IRRITATED, PUT IT DOWN TO BEING IRRITATED WITH 471 THE WORLD IN GENERAL, NO OFFENSE OR PUT DOWN OR ANYTHING OF THE SORT WAS 472 MENT TO YOU OR ANYONE ELSE. ANY COMPLAINT INVOLVED WAS TOWARDS MYSELF FOR 473 HAVING TO EXPLAIN FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME MY POLICY IN REGARD TO THE SYSTEM. 474 AND WISHING I COULD FIGURE OUT A WAY TO NOT HAVE TO DO SO ALL THE TIME. 475 AS FAR AS THE WAR DEBATE, WHEN I WAS IN THAT PERIOD OF MY LIFE TO SCREAM 476 AND SHOUT AT THE WORLD ABOUT HOW MESSED UP THINGS WERE, I DIDN'T. I WAS 477 TO BUSY DOING MY OWN THING TO CARE ABOUT THE WORLD AT LARGE. THEN WHEN 478 I DID CARE, I NO LONGER HAD MUCH TO SAY BECAUSE I WAS IN THE AIR FORCE. 479 THEN WHEN I GOT OUT I WAS TOO BUSY TRYING TO SURVIVE AND MAKE MY OWN PLACE 480 IN THE WORLD TO HAVE TIME FOR THAT SORT OF WORRYING. NOW I DON'T HAVE THE 481 TIME TO WORRY ABOUT THAT SORT OF THING AS I'M TOO BUSY WORRYING ABOUT 482 WHERE THE NEXT $$$ IS GOING TO COME FROM TO KEEP MY COMPANY IN ITS $300 483 A DAY HABIT. (OPERATING EXPENSES, WAGES, AND OF COURSE FILLING UNCLES 484 OUTSTRETCHED HAND.) 485 THIS IS NOT TO SAY THAT I AM NOT WORRIED ABOUT THINGS, I AM! IT IS JUST 486 THAT I DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO WORRY. MY MAIN CONCERN IS THAT REAGAN 487 APPEARS TO BE VERY TRIGGER HAPPY NOW WITH HIS APPARENT 'SUCCESS' IN 488 GRANADA. I AM VERY WORRIED THAT THIS COULD PUT THE US IN DIRECT WAR 489 EFFORTS IN COUTRIES THAT IT WOULD BE BEST WE STAY OUT OF. AS FAR AS 490 THE RUSKIES ARE CONCERNED, I HAVE BEEN AROUND LONG ENOUGH TO BE EXPOSED 491 TO THIER LIES AND DECIET TO NOT BE FOOLED. AS FAR AS THEIR DESIRE OR 492 NON DESIRE TO GO TO WAR, IT HAS LITTLE TO DO WITH THE GENERAL POPULANCE, 493 IT IS THE ELITE IN RUSSIA THAT MAKE THOSE SORTS OF DECISIONS JUST AS 494 IT IS IN AMERICA. THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE PEOPLE CAN'T KICK OUT THE 495 RULERS IF THEY DON'T LIKE WHAT THEY DID. OF COURSE THE WHOLE THING IS 496 A BIT POINTLESS AFTER THE PEASENTS ARE DEAD. AS FAR AS THE APPERENT 497 VIEW THAT THE WORLD WILL TURN INTO A RADIOACTIVE CINDER, I CAN'T ACCEPT 498 THAT VIEW EITHER, I HAVE BEEN CLOSE ENOUGH TO THE TECHNICAL ASPECTS 499 OF THINGS TO NOT BELIEVE THAT SORT OF THING. THAT IS NOT TO SAY HOWEVER 500 THAT MILLIONS WON'T DIE, OR THAT THERE WILL BE SOME VERY BADLY DEFACED 501 AREAS IN THE WORLD, BUT NEITHER WILL IT BE DESTROYED TOTALY. ALSO, IN 502 TIME (AND NOT ALL THAT LONG) IT WILL RECOVER. I WAS LOOKING AT A PICTURE 503 JUST THE OTHER DAY OF A SCIENTIST WALKING AROUND IN AN UNDERGROUND CHAMBER 504 THAT WAS CREATED BY A N-BOMB TEST IN 1967 HE WAS NOT WEARING ANY PROTECTIVE 505 GEAR, JUST NORMAL CLOTHES. DID YOU KNOW THAT RUSSIA HAS BEEN EXPERIMENTING 506 EXCAVATION TECHNICS WITH N-BOMBS? AND WITH SOME SUCCESS. WITH A LOW 507 RADIATION BOMB, THAT RADIOACTIVITY DROPS TO WORKABLE LEVELS WITHIN A YEAR 508 OR TWO, AND TO TOTALY SAFE LEVELS IN ABOUT 10 YEARS. 509 ************ CISTOP MIKEY ********* 15 NOV 83 ******* 11:20PM ********** 510 Hrothgar, I suggest that you may hold a view of the Russian "ruling class" that 511 does not jive with real life. Find yourself an expert in Russian strategic 512 thought, converse about it, and report back, if you will. In several decades, 513 your theory of the more dangerous 'ruling class' may begin to be supportable, 514 but for today, Russian political aristocracy still is willing to avoid ANY 515 incursion into Soviet life/soil by ANYone else at nearly ANY cost. My source 516 is a just-retired Air Force Colonel in my family who speaks honestly but with 517 justifiable reserve about military and political intelligence to which he was 518 recently privy as a key member of a high-priority operation recently in the 519 news. I wouldn't rule out major ERROR by friendly leaders, but, BY DESIGN, it 520 is the Soviet system that will probably respond IN MASS to a threatening 521 condition.Sorry, no name please 522 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- 524 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 525 Luke:(sorry folks, I'll make it blunt)---> Fridays are not good for me as it is a distence from point a(my house) to point b( 526 TC) by buss on a weeknight. The weekend is best for me like saturday. I can be there anytime almost. I do prefer daytime though 527 If you would prefer night though thats fine too. I am willing to compromise. Gotta go...... 528 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%->JODY<-%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 529 530 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 531 Jody: Saturday is fine too. Don't worry about trimet. I can give you a ride 532 on 'mon voiture'. I used to ride the bus too, and I know what a hassle it can 533 be. Anyway, on Saturday I can come much earlier too. (Even though I found 534 out I don't have to work the 24th or 25th.) I am willing to compromise too. 535 Whenever is best for you is OK with me. D'accord? 536 a bien tot 537 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke |||||||||||||||||||||| 538 To Mikey: I realize you have probably been exposed(in your Air force days) to 539 alot of this, and you may know more about nuclear arms then most too, but what 540 makes you say the world will not be made almost totally inhabitable. After 541 reading reports, including Carl Sagen's article in a recent Parade, which was 542 collaberated by many scientists, and even then was considered an underestimate, 543 I don't see how our little hitching post in the galaxy could possibly survive. 544 The devastating effects of a nuclear war haven't even been totally figured 545 out yet. Melting of polar ice caps, disruption of all communications, and 546 I am not even talking about such things as presented in that classic movie 547 'Damnation Alley'(sorry, couldn't resist). If you would care to continue this 548 discussion, could you present some of your reasoning behind your statements. 549 (this is not a challange, I am truly interested in hearing all sides) 550 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| Luke - again ||||||||||||||||| 551 ---------------------------------------- 552 "MANY IDEAS GROW BETTER WHEN TRANSPLANTED INTO ANOTHER MIND THAN THAN IN THE ONE WHERE THEY SPRING UP." 553 554 -OLIVER WENDAELL HOLMES 555 556 ---------------------------------------- 557 558 "I THINK THE MOST OPTIMISTIC THING IS THSTAT WE ARE STILL HERE! WE HAVE ATTAINED THE CAPACITY TO DESTROY THE PLANET 559 AND HAVEN'T DONE IT. THE LONGER WE DON'T DO IT, THE BETTER CHANCE WE HAVE." 560 561 -MARGARET MEAD 562 563 564 ---------------------------------------- 565 566 "ONE GALILEO IN TWO THOUSAND YEARS IS ENOUGH" 567 568 -POPE PIUS XII 569 570 571 HELP !!! I am a seventh grade health sciences teacher who needs your help in putting together a class project. My kids 572 ill be building a biology model that will require a part I don't know where to buy. What I need is about four feet of two inch 573 clear plastic pipe that will represent the coiled tube of the 574 epididymis. If anyone knows where I can buy this material please let me know. THANKS. LeRoy McKane 575 HANG IT IN THERE, WISE GUY!!!!!!!! 576 577 578 *********************************** 579 580 LeRoy: 581 582 I think you can get that kind of pipe either at Fred Meyers or Handymans. Good Luck with you project. 583 584 585 *********************************** 586 587 ***** 588 Another user in favor of the lovebirds staying on this system! What is a free 589 form BBS for anyway? Think about it. If other people are bothered by the little love notes back and forth, then this 590 must not be the system for them. Cheers and`keep luvin' ZEP 591 ***** 592 593 And for Chris Burns, this system doesn't have any sort of order to it, it is just a free form bbs which you can only list and 594 add to the lines which are already there. Have fun, ZEP (Metzger Bill) 595 ***** 596 ***** 597 !?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?! 598 Well, I see things have changed quite a bit in my abscense, and I perceive 599 that the BWS can have quite an illusive personality! Is a new subject being 600 looked for perhaps? Or have all been exhausted? 601 Does anyone out there have any opinions or ideas about the possibility of 602 one world government being a successful way to ward off a nuclear confront- 603 ation? 604 Any bites? 605 606 !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?DEBORAH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?! 607 608 609 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 610 611 DEBORAH, A ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT WOULD INDEED PREVENT A NUCLEAR CON- 612 FRONTATION FROM OCCURRING BETWEEN GOVERNMENTS (AS THERE WOULD ONLY BE 613 ONE), BUT WHO IS TO SAY THAT THE ONE GOVERNMENT MIGHT NOT BE SO CRUEL 614 AS TO USE NUCLEAR WEAPONS AS A MEANS OF KEEPING THE VARIOUS MINOR STATES 615 IT RULES IN LINE? UNLESS THE HUMAN RACE UNDERGOES A MASSIVE PERSONALITY 616 CHANGE AND ACHIEVES SOME LEVEL OF MATURITY, I CAN'T SEE A ONE WORLD 617 GOVERNMENT BEING ANYTHING BUT A FRUIT RIPE FOR DECAY. SOMETHING MUST BE 618 ADDED TO MAKE IT CONTINUE TO BE VIABLE AND STRONG (A CHALLENGE PERHAPS?) 619 OR IT WILL FAIL. AND THE PROBLEMS OF STARVATION AND NEED MUST BE MET, 620 OR THE PEOPLE WILL SOON RISE UP (AS THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO DO) AND ATTEMPT 621 TO REPLACE THE GOVERNMENT. WITH THE TOTAL LACK OF MATURITY THAT THE 622 HUMAN RACE SHOWS, I'M AFRAID THAT THE ONLY WAY IT WILL OCCUR IS BY FORCE 623 FROM A GREATER POWER, EITHER AS IN THE BIBLE BY THE SECOND ADVENT OF 624 CHRIST, OR IN THE MANNER OF "THE DAY THE EARTH STOOD STILL" (A CLASSIC 625 S.F. MOVIE THAT, UNFORTUNATELY, SHOWS IT'S AGE) OR "CHILDHOOD'S END" BY 626 ARTHUR C. CLARKE. OOPS, LOOKS LIKE I'M OUT OF ROOM. MADE IT TO THE 627 BOTTOM AGAIN!! (THANK YOU FOR THE PHRASE, AARON!). 628 629 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM![][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]