LIST FILE ON MARGIN IS 76 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ********************** REMOVED: 15 DEC 83 **************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 26 27 O.K., THIS IS IT - SATURDAY, DECEMBER 10, THE M.T. BOTTLE&DELI !!! 28 ABOUT 2PM WOULD GIVE US TIME TO GET BACK FROM CHURCH, WORK OFF OUR 29 FRI NITE HANGOVERS OR WHATEVER, WOULD IT NOT? THIS WILL BE THE OFFICIAL 30 BWMS PARTY DATE AND TIME. 31 32 To get to MT Bottle & Deli - From Portland 33 34 I-5 North .... take first right off F-way on Hayden Isl. ( the only 35 one ) ....then next right ( Tomahawk Dr. ) then next right ( parall to 36 I-5 you should be headed south by now ) follow the road around under the 37 bridge take your first right ( into parking lot ) 38 And ....... there it is. 39 40 ******************************************************************** 41 WHAT OF 1984? HOW CLOSE ARE WE? ANY COMMENTS ON THE REWRITING 42 OF OUR OWN HISTORY BOOKS? (YES IT IS EVEN DONE HERE, THOUGH NOT 43 TO THE MASSIVE EXTENT IN SOME OTHER COUNTRIES.) WHAT ABOUT CENSORSHIP? 44 ANY EXAMPLES YOU FIND UNACEPTABLE? WHAT LEVEL OF CENSORSHIP DO 45 YOU FIND ACCEPTABLE (IF ANY AT ALL)? WHAT OF OUR GREAT WHITE FATHER 46 WHO SPEAKS WITH A FORKED TONGUE? WHAT OF HIS MANY FOLLOWERS? 47 WHAT OF THOSE WHO WOULD OPPOSE HIM AND HIS VALUES? COME ON, LETS 48 GET A GOOD CONTROVERSY GOING BEFORE THE INN IS CLOSED FOR LACK 49 OF INTEREST! (IF THAT WOULD EVER BE POSSIBLE) 50 ************** CISTOP MIKEY ******** ZZZZZZZZZZZZ ******************* 51 P.S. I'LL EVEN GIVE YOU A NICE CLEAN DISK TO GET STARTED ON. 52 ************************************************************************ 69 [][][][][][][][][][][][] 1334 12/10/83 [][][][][][][][][][][][][] 70 71 A controversy ? Everyone knows that Reagan lies, but lying presidents are 72 an American tradition. Just because he lies, doesn't mean his policies 73 are bad. (necessarily) We should keep reagan for domestic things, and 74 hire RM Nixon for foreign policy. And hire J Carter for buffoon. 75 76 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 77 78 **************************************** 79 80 Reagan doesn't lie, and that's the pity. He really doesn't know that 81 the things he says are wrong, so he is just totally misinformed, not a 82 liar. Carter wasn't a buffoon, he just tried to do everything himself, 83 never delegating authority or responsibility. Reagan delegates everything 84 except making speeches and sleeping, and his appointees are mostly fools 85 and special-interest flacks. I wouldn't want to keep Reagan for anything 86 except court jester due to nearly everything about his scabby, leprous 87 personality. And Nixon for foreign policy? His re-establishing relations 88 with China was a good move, but everything else, from his Vietnam policy 89 to his giveaway of power to the oil companies in 1971 (which eventually 90 resulted in the oil "crisis") was a failure. Our nations's foreign policy 91 for the last 40 years has been one of threats, posturing, and bullying, 92 so I can't say that I've seen anyone during that time whose foreign policy 93 I could say I supported whole-heartedly. 94 ************Captain America************ 95 To: All BWMS "non-party" goers 96 Well I enjoyed it, did you? 97 To: Everyone else 98 WHERE WERE YOU??!! 99 Captain America:I at no time advocated running away. (just because someone 100 CALLS himself a survivalist doesn't mean he is one). My position is that 101 until we can be sure that there is NO danger from these things, we should 102 try to take what precautions we can. The gun-toting idiots that most people 103 think of when you say "survivalist" are acting in a very non-survival manner 104 It makes more sense to keep a low profile & try to form an integrated 105 community with people who have skills that compliment yours. A small amount 106 of paranoia may be helpful, but you HAVE to trust someone. 107 108 ps Leonard, NOT "Leo"! 109 ____________________________________Leonard_________________________________ 110 ....................................................................... 111 I knew the party would be a success! I was very happy to meet all of you. 112 Our small numbers allowed us to all get a chance to talk to each other 113 and get to know each other better. It was really enjoyable! We even had 114 some good mini debates ranging from Reagan to IBM computers. I have a few 115 questions for some of you... 116 Hrothgar...If you were at PSU around 15 years ago, were you involved with 117 or remember any of the Vietnam protests there? What about the FBI scandal 118 that I have heard bits and pieces about? I guess a cousin of mine who went 119 there was quite involved in some of the protests etc. My Aunt was valadic- 120 torian another year, and one of my brothers also went there. Does this 121 constitute a legacy??? Keep me in mind if you have any sub-contract jobs! 122 To Mikey...If you would care to, could you tell us more about the products 123 you carry? 124 To Leonard...I owe you a button...whoops! 125 To DJJ...is your BBS going to be back up? Can you tell us a little about 126 what it covers? 127 To d...Thank you for your stimulating conversation and your Dragon 128 renditions. 129 To Alex...Thank you for the suggestion of the MT Bottle & Deli. A great 130 place to meet, and the food was good too! 131 To all...good bye! 132 ................tHE dROPPED bIT........................................ 133 **************************************************************** 134 135 DRAGON ALERT 136 137 138 Government officials unofficially deny persistant reports 139 that coastal towns are being devastated by an infestation 140 of dragons. However, reports of the rash of unexplained 141 animal mutilations along the Oregon/Washington coast continue. 142 143 Efforts by Oregons new Rumor Control Division to counter 144 reports of a widening dragon infestation have had mixed 145 results. The unofficial news blackout continues though charges 146 are spreading within the media that this constitutes a serious 147 violation of freedom of the press. 148 149 The governors of both Oregon and Washington deny the national 150 guard has been placed on alert. Neither Senators Hatfield or 151 Packwood have been available for comment on the rapidly 152 deteriorating crisis. 153 154 155 GRAND DRAGONMASTER 156 DRAGON HUNTERS INTERNATIONAL 157 158 159 *************************************************************** 160 ################################################################ 161 HROTHGAR: LEROY'S IN THE OREGON STATE PENITENTIARY FOR 162 ALLEGEDLY SMUGGLING ARMS TO COUNTRIES THAT WERE UNFRIENDLY 163 TOWARDS WESTERN CIVILIZATION. WHY DO YOU WANT TO KNOW? ARE 164 YOU A LAWYER? WHO IS BORIS BATTERNOF? 165 166 NATASHA 167 168 ############################################################### 169 HEY, RADICALS! REAGAN ISN'T SUCH A BAD GUY. IF CARTER WAS STILL IN 170 OFFICE(IF THERE WOULD STILL BE AN OFFICE) WE WOULD ALL BE SHELLING 171 PEANUTS IN RUSSIAN, OR WORSE, NOT EVEN BE HERE! 172 ************************************MOSSAID******************************** 173 HELP 174 STOP 175 OFF 176 ********************************************************************* 177 PAM: WHERE ARE YOU WE ARE ALL WAITING FOR YOU TO REAPPEAR! 178 SORRY YOU MISSED THE PARTY, THE MOST OFTEN ASKED QUESTION WAS: 179 WHERE'S PAM? CLOSELY FOLLOWED BY WHAT HAPPENED TO DOM? 180 CYM AND BAD WERE MISSED AS WELL. ABOUT 10 SHOWED. INCLUDINH 181 d. WHO WAS AS LOVLY IN PERSON AS IN PRINT. AARON, LEONARD, ALEX, 182 DROPPED BIT, HROTHGAR, DJJ, DARK PRINCE, AND COMPANIONS. OH YES, 183 YOURS TRULY SHOWED AS WELL. A MOST INTERESTING GROUP. 184 ********** CISTOP MIKEY ****************************************** 185 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 186 NATASHA. SORRY BUT YOU EXPLANATION DOES NOT CUT IT. A PERSON 187 CHARGED WITH ARMS SMUGGLING WOULD NEVER BE SENT TO A STATE 188 PENETENTARY. SUCH A CRIMINAL WOULD BE SENT TO A MAXIMUM SECURITY 189 190 FEDERAL PEN, SUCH AS LEVENWORTH. YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN, AS WELL 191 AS YOUR WHOLE PHONY SET OF MESSAGES! GET REALISTIC! 192 193 A NEW MONIKER 194 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 195 Aaron, how in your new dial tone, if any? 196 All, sorry I missed the bash, had to help Sheila move to Seal Rock; 197 will try next time. 198 Was that a bat I saw fly past the moon, or was it something bigger? The 199 cluds were in the way, and it was hard to see through the rain on my 200 glasses. 201 How many new bulletin boards are there? I there room for another free 202 forum like BWMS? Would a remote UNIX system survive? Please offer comments. 203 ///////////////////////////////BAD\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 204 205 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 206 207 Pam's back! 208 209 Pam: Thanks for the input. As it stands, the system will permit only a 210 small subset of the commands to be used without logging in. (HELP,?,and a 211 few others) If I were to implement a "trial" section, I would actually have 212 to log the guest in, perhaps under a general well known UID/password combo 213 (such as guest/password). The system will have a large number of mysterious 214 and dark commands, some of great utility and others of little use. To 215 prevent a user from destroying all about him, each user will have a perm- 216 ission list of which commands the system will permit them to use. I could 217 give guest/password only sufficent commands to enter messages into a "room" 218 specificly for them (pgallery). Other rooms will be for different topics/ 219 concepts; the system will automaticly create a room if, say, 5 users request 220 its creation. One of the rooms will be "Forum", and is intended for general- 221 BWMS type use. As to creating a subsytem exactly like BW, probably not. The 222 "forum" room will be close (in fact any room) enuf to satisfy everyone. The 223 only (major) difference between BW's free format and my system will be the 224 fact that messages are actually files, and protected from tampering. Once 225 you have entered a room, it will be much the same. Up, down, next message, 226 search...etc. 227 As to the status of the system, a) the software hasn't left paper. b) the 228 computer needs extensive modifications c) i need to hookup a 256k mem board 229 (which i have) d) i have to get a phone line e) i need a paper tape punch 230 /reader (i will be using audio tape until/unless i get one) f) other dreary 231 needs/projects...among them aprox $200 for various components,etc.. 232 233 on the bright side, I actually do have the computer, drives, memory, and 234 modem necessary (103/212A/VA3400), and a good idea of which direction I'm 235 heading. Look for the system to be on-line by Jan 1. 236 237 Hope to see you at the not-a-pizza party! 238 Aaron 239 [above was transfered to DA, as Mike swapped DB out before you were 240 able to read it........] 241 242 all: the "spaces" between the lines above are LINEFEEDS, NOT EMPTPY LINES! 243 they were inadvertedly inserted because I didn't have a "non-system" copy 244 of the text. my apologies. (ignore this. I fixed it. see below) 245 246 all N-A-P Party goers: it was a pleasure! Alex's choice turned out O.K. At 247 least he had the guts to show! (ha ha!) what was the resolution? alternate 248 leap years?.......... 249 250 BAD: nothing is absorbed anymore! (sob, no tricky dialing to keep phone 251 numbers secret..) . line quality is better, but the trasmission losses are 252 higher. I've got a test set here which will inject any db from -30 to plus 253 20 or so at any frequency; maybe I could con the test desk (omigod! there 254 ain't such a beast anymore!) into checking levels. Have you been following 255 the progress (or lack thereof) of Unicom? 256 257 Pam (again): you were sorely missed. along with DOM and other no-shows, 258 and that includes you, BAD! 259 260 all (hints on up-load to BWMS): make sure the margin is set high enuf so 261 the margin bell dosn't ring, as many modems do better with one-way data. 262 Try to get your system to insert LF's AFTER the CR! eithier send each line 263 individually or put a good dozen nulls after each CR, BW is slow! 264 I fixed the extra LINEFEEDS! I defined one of my fuction keys as 265 "do^M^C" and the other as "ch /^J//^M^C" and just popped the 1-2-1-2-1-2... 266 keys till i hit a "not found"..the ^C's prevent the system from echoing 267 the lines when I DO and CH..saves time. 268 269 DJJ: youv'e got a BB also? finaly figured it out. It must have been 270 T.D.B. claiming TOPS-20, right? ......P-E 550 VDU terminals are definatly 271 not VT-100 compatible. close to TV-925, though. trying to pull VT-52 data, 272 if i can't find it maybe BAD can tell me what cursor-up-dwn-cls-etc. are 273 on a '52 and will check with my P-E. 274 275 HROTHGAR, the varied: i looked through the service manual and havn't yet 276 found the test stake. I will pull the back off and do some visual checking, 277 but that PC board is a bear to get off! (and on!) ....a pleasure meeting 278 you. Let's get together sometime; I'm certain you would enjoy seeing my 279 "facility" here. Lots of toys/micros/minis. 280 281 layde of dragons! : we finaly meet! after some initial confusion, things 282 went well. You are truly beautiful; in mind, body and spirit! I was pleased 283 that you and the Dark Prince finally got aquainted formaly. 284 285 Aaron 286 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 287 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 288 I AM GLAD YOU ALL FINALLY MET. FOO! 289 290 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 291 292 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 293 does anyone know where jody is? i haven't heard from her in a long time on 294 this system. i wonder where she went.... 295 296 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::dump::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 297 298 LIST 299 10 'KGON COMPUTER BBS 300 20 CLEAR9000 301 40 DIMNAME$(355),TEXT$(40) 302 50 CLS:LINEINPUT"BBS OPERATING DISK IN DRIVE 0 AND A MESSAGE DISK IN DRIVE 1. PRESS ENTER TO CONTINUE.";C$ 303 60 OPEN"I",1,"MEMBERS":INPUT#1,NUM:FORI=1TONUM:INPUT#1,NAME$(I):NEXT:CLOSE:CLS:PRINT"KGON BBS IS READY FOR CALLS 304 70 D1=1:D1$="1":D2=0:D2$="0" 'Message (D1) and Program (D2) Drive Numbers 305 80 'Logon Procedure 306 90 LINEINPUTSTART$:FORI=1TO100:NEXT 307 100 PRINT 308 110 PRINT"************************ 309 120 PRINT"THE 310 130 PRINT"K G O N 311 140 PRINT"ROCK AND ROLL 312 150 PRINT"C O M P U T E R 313 160 PRINT"************************ 314 170 PRINT"(Version1.4/Online 14Nov83)" 315 200 PRINT" Your System Operator is Chris Burns. If you have any questions or comments about use of this system, leave a messa 316 addressed to SYS. 317 210 PRINT"Please use UPPER CASE for INITIALS, MESSAGE subjects and ROCKFILE names. KGON Hacks! 318 220 FORX=1TO500:NEXTX:Z=0:YR=0 319 230 MSG$="Your three INITIALS, please:":GOSUB1380:I$=C$:ACT$="* "+I$+" " 320 240 FL=FL+1:IFLEN(I$)<>3THENIFFL=3THENNAME$="FRIEND":GOTO1190ELSE230 321 250 GOSUB1360:IFMBR THENN$=NAME$(I):S=INSTR(N$," ")-4:NAME$=MID$(N$,4,S):INITS$=LEFT$(N$,3)ELSE290 322 260 MSG$=RIGHT$(N$,LEN(N$)-3)+","+CHR$(13)+"right? ":GOSUB1380:IFC$<>"Y"ANDC$<>"N"THEN260 323 270 IFC$="Y"THENPRINT"Checking for messages.":C=1:GOSUB700:GOSUB500:GOTO420 324 280 'New Member Signup 325 290 LINEINPUT"So, what's your first name: ";NAME$:LINEINPUT"and your last name:";LAST$:ACT$=ACT$+" "+NAME$+" "+LAST$+" " 326 300 IFLEN(ACT$)<13THEN1190ELSEMSG$="You are not yet a User of the KGON Computer."+CHR$(13)+"Would you like to be ?" 327 310 GOSUB1380:IFLEFT$(C$,1)<>"Y"THEN420 328 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 329 I WONDER WHY ON EARTH ANYONE WOULD DO THAT (SEE ABOVE). THATS BURNSIES BBS. I CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHY HE WOULD WANT TO PRINT THE 330 PROGRAM HERE. MAYBE HE WANTS IT PIRATED. ????? 331 332 ------------------------------------MERLYN-------------------------------- 333 334 PAGING PAM.... PAGING PAM..... PAGING PAM...... HELLO PAM? 335 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++; 336 CALL FOR PHILIP MORRIS 337 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 338 ()()()()()() 339 Sorry I couldn't make it everybody. Maybe next party? Something came 340 up at the last moment. 341 ----------------------------------------------------- P. V. Jeltz ----------- 342 ............................................................................ 343 At last! Just what I have been striving for, the code to the KGON BBS! Aw right! 344 Well its about time someone cracked that code! 345 P.V....you missed a good party! Much more friendly than the Bit Bucket party 346 due to our small numbers and close quarters. Only one computer was present, 347 Leonard's famous 'Baby'. 348 OK Aaron, Monday I am going to start bribing profs for passwords! Is that the way 349 I should go? Seriously, I was really quite shocked to hear about all the 350 equipment PSU has. I guess I'll have to buy some black shoes, and pen and pencil 351 holder, a white short sleeve shirt so I look like an EE student, and sneak 352 back into the rear of the PCAT building! (Or get one of your uniforms) 353 Would you be willing to tell me more about some of the networks you are 354 involved with? 355 ....................tHE dROPPED bIT.................................... 356 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 357 POLITICIANS: An apology 358 359 We would like to apologize for the way in which politicians 360 are represented in this programme. It was never intended to 361 imply that politicians are weak-kneed political time-servers 362 who are concerned more with their personal vendettas and 363 private power struggles than the problems of government, nor 364 to suggest at any point that they sacrifice their credibility 365 by denying free debate on vital matters in the mistaken 366 impression that party unity comes before the well-being of the 367 people they supposedly represent, nor to imply at any stage 368 that they are squabbling little toadies without an ounce of 369 concern for the vital social problems of today. Nor indeed do 370 we intend that viewers should consider them as crabby ulcerous 371 little self seeking vermin with furry legs and an excessive 372 addiction to alcohol and certain explicit sexual practices 373 which some people might find offensive. 374 375 We are sorry if this impression has come across. 376 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 377 380 ................................................................... 385 386 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 387 Aaron, 388 389 Your note was short but to the point. Call me at my work phone and we 390 can talk about the reader. 241-4115 ask for Peter I'm there 8-5. 391 392 Peter 394 vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv 395 [][][][][][][][][][][] 0733 12/12/83 [][][][][][][][][][][] 396 397 ALL: A MOST INTERESTING TIME. ALMOST EVERYONE WAS QUITE WHAT I HAD 398 EXPECTED. LET'S DO IT AGAIN IN A DECADE OR SO! 399 400 I AM SURE THAT ANY POLITICIAN WOULD ACCEPT THAT APOLOGY IN THE SPIRIT 401 IT WAS WRITTEN. 402 403 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] DJJ [][][][][][][][] 404 ######################################## Sounds like you all had a great time, sorry I didn't make it. Had a previous 405 commitment to the users group I belong to. 406 Whoever put the political apology above should at least credit its origin; Python (Monty) inc. 1977 407 408 ################C.Y.M.#################################12/12 8:46 am########### 409 Greetings, my lords and ladies. I too enjoyed the party. I do apoligize for "lurking". 410 .....................................the apprentice.................................. 411 **************************************************************** 412 FORREAL: WE ALL READ STUFF WE DON'T PARTICULARLY LIKE. MOST OF 413 US HAVE THE COURTESY TO IGNOR WHAT DOESN'T SUIT US AND MOVE ON 414 TO WHAT WE ENJOY. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD DO THE SAME. NATASHA. 415 *************************************************************** 416 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 417 418 All, 419 It was a most enjoyable experience. 420 I am sorry I arrived so late but my mistress demanded her monthly bath and 421 as always the case what was to be one small job turned out to be many 422 larger ones. Both in time and effort. Perhaps now she will rest at ease for the 423 remainder of this year. 424 As for my expectations .........few patrons matched my mental image. 425 Mikey...the Innkeeper a robust man well nourished on the varied fare of the 426 Inn. 427 d, certainly as grand a ladye as I had expected ( even without benifit of 428 her ever expressive tail ) 429 Aaron...questing forth in search of that one remaining undocumented entry 430 point. Eyes glazed with anticipation. 431 Hrothgar....who I had expected to be going in several directions concurently. 432 Leonard, whom I had expected to be armed to the teeth ...and yet brought but 433 one instrument of defense. 434 DJJ, DP ,dROPPEd bIt, et al who contribuited to the diverse conversations. 435 Many thanks for the experience. 436 437 I frequent M&T and on Saturday there were many who were unknown and seemed to 438 be more than casualy interested in the gathering......how many patrons of the 439 Inn went but stayed in the shadows ? 440 441 For my own curiosity.... are there any sailors who frequent the Inn ?? 442 443 ::::::::::::::::Alex:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 445 446 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 447 448 I HAD STARTED WRITING A NICE LONG TRACT ON "1984" AND FREEDOM OF 449 THE PRESS (OFF-LINE OF COURSE), AND FOUND THAT I'D FILLED UP 4 PAGES AND 450 WASN'T FINISHED! SO I THINK I'LL LET IT SIT AND TRY TO CUT IT DOWN TO 451 REASONABLE SIZE LATER. AND I HADN'T EVEN GOTTEN TO BIG BROTHER OR IN- 452 VASIONS OF PRIVACY! BOY, LONG-WINDED!....... 453 454 SORRY TO EVERYONE I DIDN'T MAKE IT TO THE GET-TOGETHER, BUT IT WAS 455 A COMBINATION OF WEARYNESS FROM LONG HOURS ON THE ROAD THE DAY BEFORE 456 AND UTTER TERROR OF SUCH THINGS THAT KEPT ME AWAY. I HAVE A TERRIBLE TIME 457 GOING TO PARTIES WHERE I KNOW EVERYONE, AND GOING TO SOMETHING LIKE THAT 458 WHERE I'VE ONLY MET OTHERS THROUGH THEIR WRITING....TREMBLE, TREMBLE! I 459 SEEM TO HAVE GONE BACKWARDS IN THAT WAY, AS WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER I HAD 460 NO SUCH FEARS. OH WELL.... 461 AARON, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE THE SYSTEM FAIRLY WELL DESIGNED 462 ALREADY. I ASSUME THAT YOU ARE USING A VARIETY OF UNUSUAL EQUIPMENT FOR 463 IT, SO THE CODE PROBABLY WON'T BE VERY TRANSPORTABLE. CORRECT? 464 465 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 466 468 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 470 +++++++++++++++++ I.S.S. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 471 DEAR PERSON ABOVE: IF ANY OF THAT STUFF WORKS WE WOULD ALL LIKE TO KNOW 472 HOW. ESPECIALLY MIKEY, PROBABLY. KEEP ON TRYING. 473 474 TO ALL OF THE PARTY GOERS - THANKS! I HAD A GREAT TIME. HOW ABOUT A 475 PICNIC IN THE SPRING? I ALSO WONDER IF SOME OF THOSE PEOPLE AROUND THE 476 OTHER TABLES WEREN'T LURKING. ONE PERSON ABOVE SEEMS TO IMPLY THAT. 477 478 AARON: WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TOYS 'FER SURE', HOW ABOUT AFTER NEW YEARS? 479 480 ALEX - DIDN'T GET ENOUGH OF A CHANCE TO TALK TO YOU - ARE YOU ALSO IN 481 THE COMPUTER BUSINESS? 482 483 DROPPED BIT: STEVE, RIGHT? IF SO WILL DO HAVE NUMBER. IF NOT MIGHT SO, 484 LEAVE NUMBER. 485 486 d: enjoyed the artwork. 487 488 pam: hello again, compadre. benvenuto. 489 490 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HROTHGAR, THE HOOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 491 ....................................................................... 492 Hrothgar, the ?...Yes you have my card. Either call at work or at home, 493 When it comes to programming jobs, I am usually quite reachable.As for 494 lurkers, I can't imagine anyone would stay in the shadows at the MT for 495 long. We certainly didn't look like much of a motley crew, and I don't 496 think we would scare a lurker away. Those other people were probably just 497 passers-bye. When we first got to MT, there were a couple of 'old-salts' 498 sitting at the next table, but they soon left. The others around us were 499 there before we got there, and seemed quite pre-occupied with themselves. 500 To Alex, I would not call myself a sailor, but I used to go sailing once 501 in a while with my uncle, who was quite a sailor. One summer he sailed 502 from Portland to Hawaii alone. Quite an adventure! Nothing compared to 503 the trans-atlantics you read about these days, but still no small feat. 504 ................tHE dROPPED bIT........................................ 505 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ 506 It seemed to me that one gentlemen that occupied one of the adjacent 507 tables (reading a newspaper) was very interested in our discussions... 508 perhaps the Apprentice? 509 To all: I had an excellent time, although I was probably the biggest 510 computer novice in the group. 511 Aaron: It was nice meeting you. I avidly await your new system. 512 With your electronic skills, I'm sure it will be a success. 513 d: We finally meet, I think reality completely outpaced my 514 expectations. 515 Alex: I've done some sailing the last couple of years with my roommate. 516 He has an open sailing dory, built by Schooner Creek Boat Works. 517 All in all I felt the gathering was a success and would like to see 518 it repeated in the future. 519 DP 520 *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~ 521 522 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 523 tHE dROPPED bIT: almost. be sure to dye your hair black, use a gob of 524 brylcream, and wear black hornrim glasses. Don't forget the HP-41CV (next 525 to the slide-rule). But seriously. Which "networks" were you intrested in? 526 CSNET? DARPA? OSSHE? (hardly a net) USENET? 527 What sort of board does/did DJJ have? You refered to it on LN 125. 528 529 Peter: will call you tommorow (today?). 530 531 Pam: Quite possibly Unicom will be more portable than I originally 532 had thought probable. Even though it will be restricted to the same type of 533 machine it was written on, it should port well to other instalations of the 534 same make. I will be writing significantly more of the code in the machine's 535 own OS than I had planned. Should make the system more reliable, yet slower. 536 Will keep you posted. 537 538 DP: Thanks for the enthusiasm! I hope Unicom goes as well as the not-a-pizza 539 party; it certainly is taking as long to get together! 540 541 Hrothgar: Done. January it is. I'll start cleaning now. Should be done 542 by then. Or at least started.....Keep me posted on anything new. 543 Aaron 544 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 545 i'm new to this system and it seems like a nice place to be. i'm only famili 546 iar with cbm products(c-64) so maybe i'mon the wrong board.however, if there 547 are any other commodore users out there with questions, opinions,or just wan 548 t to talk-leave a message! 549 ---------------bob lange 550 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 551 there are several C64 users on this system, Bob, and I am one of them. 552 Here's my question: 553 Why are SERIAL and CSERIAL options mutually exclusive? Flagging on the 554 SERIAL port occurs only on incoming FLAG transitions, and is self-serviced 555 by appropriate NMI transactions. True, out-shifting is also NMI driven, yet 556 the out-shift driver only (and non-destructivly) toggles in on CHROUT 557 request to SERIAL, and auto-magicly disintegrates when OUTBUF empties. 558 CSERIAL exception processing (quit laughing David) is also CHROUT event- 559 driven. Thus, in theory, both SERIAL and CSERIAL should be able to have open 560 files in the OS open file table, and not conflict unless both try concurrent 561 operation. (In fact, if it weren't for timing constraints placed on CSERIAL 562 transactions, the auto-tracking (stack-wise) of multiple interrupts would 563 make CONCURRENT operation possible!) Yet this does not work. Why? 564 Aaron 565 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 566 ######################################## 567 Aaron: here's a simpler question! why did Commodore change the color on 568 all the c-64 cases? Now non of my Vic stuff Matches but is still compatable? 569 570 #################C.Y.M.#################################12/133 an ungodly hr 571 572 Alex:you didn't look inside my pack, did you...(heh, heh) 573 Seriously, I have an EXTREMELY dislike for the "armed to the teeth, gonna 574 reconquer the world (after the war), etc", so-called "survivalist". You know 575 the people running are the woods in camoflague (sp?) fatigues, scaring 576 campers & hunters. Rule #1 in survival is DON'T CALL (UNNECESSARY) ATTENTION 577 TO YOURSELF! 578 The only gun I own is a .22 that hasn't been fired in YEARS (15,20?). 579 ____________________________Leonard____________________________________ 580 581 **************************************************************************** 582 SO, HERE WE GO AGAIN, DISK A ALMOST FILLED UP AND LOTS OF ROOM ON 583 DRIVE B. GEE, PAM WHAT HAPPENED? I CAN USUALLY COUNT ON YOU AT LEAST 584 ATTEMPTING TO FILL THIS MESS UP. 585 AM I TO BE STUCK FILLING IT UP BY MYSELF? 586 I GUESS SO SINCE THERE IS ALMOST NO ROOM LEFT ON DRIVE A 587 AND IT WILL CERTAINLY BE FULL IN THE MORNING IF NOT BEFORE. 588 SO I GUESS I'LL JUST TYPE AWAY 589 TILL THIS ONE IS FULL SO AS TO BE ABLE TO ARCHIVE IT. 590 YUCK, ONLY LINE 590 GOT LOTS OF LINES TO GO. 591 I WONDER IF I REALY WANT TO DO THIS. 592 I COULD JUST ARCHIVE IT AS IS IN THE MORN, OR TONIGHT. 593 MAYBE I'LL JUST GIVE UP AND DO THAT. 594 CHECK IT ONE MORE TIME BEFORE I GO 595 TO BED, AND THEN IF IT IS NOT FULL YET WAIT 596 TILL MORNING. CAUSE THIS IS REALLY BORING. 597 ***************** A BORED CISTOP MIKEY ************************* 598 , ^L^L ^H . ^H^H^H... 599 ................................................................... 600 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 601 602 SORRY, MIKEY, I KNOW THAT I NORMALLY AM THE ONE TO FILL THESE DISKS 603 UP AT THE END, BUT I WAS HOPING THAT SOMEONE ELSE OUT THERE KEPT UP WITH 604 WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE END OF THE DISKS AND WOULD ADD A COMMENT OR TWO. 605 SO DISK A IS ALREADY UP TO LINE 627, AND THERE ARE STILL PLENTY OF LINES 606 LEFT HERE. .... 607 I WAS PLANNING ON ENTERING SOMETHING ON DISK A, BUT IT FILLED UP SO 608 QUICKLY THAT I WAS UNABLE TO. NO ROOM!! BUT I KNOW THAT THERE WILL BE 609 A NEW DISK TOMORROW, SO THERE WILL BE TIME AND SPACE FOR MY WANDERINGS. 610 611 LEONARD PROBABLY WON'T SEE THIS, BUT I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR THE 612 INTERESTING TEXT HE SENT TO BW. IT TOOK UP A LOT OF SPACE, BUT IT'S NICE 613 TO SEE MORE INFORMATION FROM ANOTHER SOURCE BESIDES OUR OWN LITTLE COM- 614 MENTARY. THE "HACKER" PHENOMENON IS ONE I FIND BOTHERSOME, AS IT MAY 615 PUT AN END TO ON-LINE COMPUTER FUN (SUCH AS THIS) IF IT CONTINUES UNCHECKED. 616 I HOPE THAT HE (YOU, IF YOU DO READ THIS LEONARD) UPLOADS IT TO ANOTHER 617 BBS (SUCH AS CBBS) WHERE IT CAN BE KEPT AS A DOWNLOAD FILE FOR OTHERS TO 618 SEE AND USE. I KEEP HARD-COPY OF EVERYTHING I CAN FROM THIS SYSTEM, AND 619 EVERYTHING OF INTEREST (TO ME) FROM OTHERS, BUT THE OL' BW DOESN'T KEEP 620 ANYTHING AVAILABLE BEYOND 2 TO 4 DAYS (AND SOMETIMES LESS THE WAY THINGS 621 GO WHEN WE GET A SUBJECT PEOPLE GET HOT ABOUT), SO IT WOULD BE BEST TO 622 FILE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE TOO. 623 624 ARRGH!! LINE 624 OF 629!! THERE JUST ISN'T ANY ROOM LEFT HERE (OR 625 ON THE OTHER DISK) FOR ME TO WRITE ANYTHING OF MAJOR INTEREST, SO I GUESS 626 I'LL JUST SIGN OFF FOR NOW. 627 GOOD GRIEF, IT'S LATE!!!! 628 629 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM+[][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][]