FILE ON MARGIN IS 79 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask...... 2 ************************** REMOVED: 13 SEP 83 ************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 Unlike the jerks who were let loose on the previous disk, I have no intention of 26 leaving a 300-line download. Everybody say Yay!!!!!!!!! 27 -|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|- 28 TO THE PERSON WORRIED ABOUT ME ERASING YOUR MESSAGES, YOU MUST HAVE ME 29 CONFUSED WITH SOMEONE ELSE...I NEVER ERASE ANYONE ELSE'S MESSAGES 30 GO DUCKS!!!! 31 DUCK FAN 32 **************** 33 34 !@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#@!@#$%^&*()_+_)((*&^%$#@!@#$%^&*()_+_)(*&^%$#@!@$%^&*()*&^%$#@#$%^&* 35 To Peaceful Paul... 36 37 Sorry, but no NUTS allowed on this system. Take your ever-lovin peacenick garbage back to where you 38 found it. We don't want it, never have, never will. Why you have the nerve to upload 39 an unedited session to this system! You didn't do a damn thing to clean it up. You just 40 stick it on here wasting perfectly good disk space. How dare you! Pleave leave us sir, and never return! 41 @!#%$^$%^%$(^&#%(^&(&@#(%#$(^)#@#%@#)$%@#%&%&#$%&#$&^#!(^#*^(#&^(!#&^&(^&$&)*$&* 42 43 TESTY.....TESTY.....TESTY 44 45 PERHAPS IT WAS A BIT VERBOSE HOWEVER PEACE DOES HAVE ITS ADVANTAGES ! 46  47 48 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 49 SEEMS TO ME THAT A LOT OF YOU ARE JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS. PERHAPS PAUL DID THAT DOWNLOAD, BUT PERHAPS NOT. IT WASN'T 50 SIGNED, SO WHO KNOWS? AND WHO CARES? IT REALLY ISN'T THAT IMPORTANT, IS IT? 51 TO WILLY, WHO ACCUSED EVERYONE OF ERASING HIS MESSAGES, I KNOW THAT I DIDN'T ERASE IT. WHEN I SIGNED ONTO THE 52 SYSTEM, THERE WAS 1 ( YES FOLKS, THAT'S 1, COUNT 'EM, 1 ) LINE LEFT, THAT BEING 629, WITH JUST A CARRIAGE RETURN, 53 AND I USED IT FOR MY MESSAGE. I ERASED NOTHING, AND PLAN TO ERASE NOTHING. ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU ERASED MY MESSAGE 54 IN ORDER TO ENTER YOUR DIATRIBE, SO IT SEEMS THE ONLY ONE GUILTY OF THIS LITTLE "CRIME" IS YOU. THE DUCK FAN RESPONDED 55 THAT HE DIDN'T EITHER, SO OBVIOUSLY IF YOU DID ENTER A MESSAGE, IT WAS ERASED BY SOMEONE WHO DIDN'T ENTER ANYTHING. 56 OH, BY THE WAY WILLY, YOU COULD SAVE A LOT OF ROOM FOR EVERYONE ELSE IF YOU SET THE MARGINS TO 126. IT'S NOT HARD TO 57 DO, AND ALLOWS YOU MORE ROOM TO BE MUCH TOO WORDY (LIKE ME!!!). 58 REGARDING THE QUESTION AS TO USAGE OF THE WORD PERFORM. TODAY, EVERYONE CONNECTS THE WORD WITH ACTORS OR MUSIC, 59 WHICH IS ONE DEFINITION, BUT NOT THE ONLY ONE. PERFORM ALSO MEANS "TO CARRY OUT AN ACTION; EXECUTE; DO; TO CARRY 60 THROUGH TO COMPLETION AN ACTION OR UNDERTAKING." THIS COMES FROM THE LATIN "PAR" (THOROUGHLY) AND "FOURNIR" (TO 61 ACCOMPLISH). SO IT WAS A CORRECT USAGE, THOUGH APPARENTLY A CONFUSING ONE. I'LL TRY TO BE CLEARER IN THE FUTURE. 62 AH, THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE!! IT'S SO MUCH FUN!! 63 64 [][][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][] 65 P.S. WILLY, IF YOUR MESSAGE WAS JUST A CARRIAGE RETURN WITH NO OTHER INPUT, I MUST PLEAD GUILTY. OTHERWISE..... 66  67 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 68 69 DID PEACEFUL PAUL REALLY DOWNLOAD THAT AVOCADO JUICE FROM CALIFORNIA? MAYBE 70 HE'S AN NSA DIRTY TRICKSTER OUT TO WRECK THE FREE NETWORKS BY MAKING 71 EVERYBODY QUARREL. MAYBE HE'S THE SUPERIOR BEING FROM SPACE WE HEARD ABOUT. 72 WHAT WILL WE ASK HIM FOR IF WE CAN CONVINCE HIM WE ARE WORTH THE TROUBLE? 73 MAYBE TO RESTRAIN HIMSELF FROM SENDING US MORE DREGS FROM THE WINE COUNTRY. 74 MAYBE HE'S REALLY TIMOTHY LEARY. MAYBE HE DIDN'T DO IT. I THINK HE DID 75 DO IT. ON THE OTHER HAND, WILLY, I DON'T THINK THEY DID DO IT. MAYBE 76 THERE'S A BUG IN THE SYSTEM. WELCOME BACK TO THE INN, BY THE WAY. PUSH 77 ONE OF THE BODIES OUT OF A CHAIR AND REST YOURSELF. 78 BATPOOP THE MAGNIFICENT 79 )))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 80 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^ 81 To all: 82 I was the one that complained about having his message erased. I am sorry if I falsely accused anyone who is innocent. 83 84 To Leonard: 85 About the superconductors, I am guessing but wouldn't that mean that the loop would maintain any current that was induced 86 in it. If so, then that would support my idea that a 0/0 situation can be satisfied by any real number. I don't have 87 the formula for black hole decay and would appreciate it if you could dig it up. 88 BYE BYE THE DOCTOR 89 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^ 90 BAT 91 92  at poop has to be magnificent. 93 94 ```````````````````````````'''''''''''''''''````````````````````''''''''''''''' 95 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ 96 - Doctor - your representation of the 4th dimension is fairly standard; it is - 97 - just an extension of Euclidean geometry. It is satisfactory, however. - 98 - If you've every seen Cosmos, the show narrated by Carl Sagan, they have - 99 - theories on the 4th dimension. For instance, take a straight line. Connect - 100 - lines to it so that they are all right angles to each other. You get a - 101 - square. - 102 - Now connect lines to the square so that all of the lines are still at - 103 - right angles to each other. You get a cube. When you connect MORE lines to - 104 - the cube, but still keep all of the lines at right angles to each other, you- 105 - get a 4th dimensional figure called a tesseract. - 106 - Moreover, Carl Sagan also pointed out that despite we do not have the - 107 - sensory apparatus necessary to "see" a 4th dimensional tesseract, we DO have- 108 - the necessary equipment to see its shadow. Much in the same way a 3-dimen- - 109 - sional cube casts a 2-dimensional shadow, a 4-dimensional tesseract casts - 110 - a 3-dimensional shadow, which by the way, looks somewhat like a cube within - 111 - a cube connected at the vertices. - 112 - - 113 - Keep it coming; this is getting interesting.........................Pioneer - 114 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 115 - P.S. To the person on Drive B (?), I do not see how we are 4-dimensional - 116 - creatures as we (as far as we know) only exist in one time at a time. - 117 - Also, the term "Think about it." is rather irritating to me, as it seems - 118 - to imply that I am lazy and more thought is necessary to produce an answer. - 119 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 120 ---------------------------------------------- 121 To All: 122 I've been away from here for quite a while (business) and now I see that there 123 is another here that is using my name to sign his messages. I will from 124 now on sign my messages P.Abbus to 125 prevent having anyone confuse 126 me with this alleged human-being. 127 Paul Abbus 128 ------------------------------------------------ 129 130 TO: ALL 131 FROM: BACH 132 re Current phone number and status of the CORKBOARD BBS (Stan Dolson, Van Perley SYSOPs) 133 134 Anyone who can help please leave a message on the BBS for BACH. Much obliged. 135 DOC I THINK THAT THE CONCLUSION ABOUT INFINITE SOLUTIONS TO 0/0 CAN BE 136 INFERRED BUT NOT TOO STRONGLY FROM THE EXAMPLE OF THE SUPERCONDUCTING LOOP, 137 FOR THESE REASONS: AMPEREAGE IS A MEASURE OF ELECTRONS/SECOND PASSING 138 THROUGH A WIRE. A GIVEN WIRE WILL HAVE A LIMIT ON ITS CAPACITY FOR ELECTRONS. 139 IF THE WHOLE THING HAS A NET CHARGE THERE CAN BE MORE THAN JUST THE NUMBER 140 OF ELECTRONS IN THE WIRE, BUT STILL A FINITE CAPACITY. THEREFORE THE 141 NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS IS WITHIN LIMITS. SECOND, SINCE ELECTRONS ARE DISCRETE 142 UNITS, YOU HAVE AN INTEGER SOLUTION. AN INTEGER SOLUTION WITHIN LIMITS LIKE 143 THAT GIVES YOU A FINITE NUMBER OF SOLUTIONS. 144 PRINT 145 SINCE THE FOUR DIMENSIONS OF SPACETIME ARE THOSE WE ARE ORDINARILY 146 CONCERNED WITH, ONE CAN SAY THAT WE ARE FOUR DIMENSIONAL OF COURSE. THAT 147 ALL THOSE TIMES IN ONES LIFE ARE NOT NOW IS IRRELEVANT. THE FOURTH 148 DIMENSION OF TIME IS MORE RELEVANT TO US IN DAY TO DAY THAN THE FOURTH DIMENSION 149 OF A TESSERACT OR THE FOURTH DIMENSION OF A SCREEN ARRAY, FOR THAT MATTER. 150 00000000000000000)))))))))))))))))))))))))BATPOOP THE MAGNIFICENT++++++++++++ 151 ============================ 152 My opinion of the 'thinking' on this system would be greatly increased if indeed people would 'think' about their messages. 153 First, to Pioneer: We are obviously four-dimensional, even though you can't see it. We exist, we will exist, and we have 154 existed. The fourth dimension. We cannot see this fourth dimension because our very thought processes are governed by 155 it. But surely you could have thought of this yourself? But no, anyone irritated with the phrase 'think about it' is 156 irritated because he recognizes that it clearly describes his problem: Lack of thought. 157 And as for the idea of the 'tesseract', I believe you have used the incorrect word. Perhaps you meant 158 hypercube. 159 As for the tempest-in-a-teapot over 0/0. Mathematicians wisely leave this value undefined, why can't you? 160 Anyone who has taken calculus (apparently a small fraction of the users on this system) recognizes that the theory 161 of limits allows a large (infinite) number of solutions to a fraction of the form X/Y where both X and Y tend to 0. 162 Note that this is for the LIMIT, not the actual value! 163 As for the feeble attempt to put 0/0 in concrete terms, superconductors are not the way to go. First, current 164 is limited by magnetic field, not by resistance. Second, magnetic flux is discrete (some day you may learn what this means). 165 Finally, as for the discussion of black holes: I doubt whether anyone who has ever used this system has even one 166 tenth enough mathematics and physics to begin to UNDERSTAND the significance of black holes. (Myself included). Wild ideas 167 may be entertaining, but they don't enlighten. 168 I'm always on the lookout for pseudoscientific nonsense, and I've found some blatant examples. One: In a non-local 169 newspaper a few years ago, there was an article concerning the following question: Would adding salt to water cause it to 170 boil faster? Everyone wrote in stating their theories, but the general consensus was that if adding salt to water decreased 171 its boiling point, that would speed boiling, and slow boiling if adding salt increased the BP. 172 Well, then the argument changed: What effect on BP did adding salt have? The answers were roughly mixed 50/50. 173 Each person claimed to know THE TRUTH. Even many of the people whose answers were correct had terrible reasons. Fortunately 174 I had almost completed a class on CHEMICAL THERMODYNAMICS, which meant that I not only knew the correct answer, but could 175 calculate the precise amount the BP was changed. I could also describe WHY the effect happened. But I chose not to write 176 in, since it was clear that the truth would not set them free. 177 By the way, more than one of the people who got the wrong answer claimed to be science teachers for high schools/jr highs. 178 It just goes to show.... 179 Notice that I haven't given the correct answer. Anyone know it? 180 =========================== 181 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 182 all: 183 if anyone out there wants to say nasty things about me (or anything 184 about me),just write it past column 80,my terminal slices at this point 185 (dont most?);on the other hand,if you address me,stay within MA 76,as 186 this allows me to read your message in NU Y mode as well..... 187 188 above (unsigned): 189 bravo! a clear thinker finally lends an air of rationality to this 190 pseudo-scientific/travel thru black holes/ 0/0 /super-conducting 191 hodge-podge of bar-room philosophy................. 192 193 gregor/flowers: 194 have eithier of you had math past algebra? or science past Chem 101? 195 or philosophy past "Begining Logic"? or schooling past high school? 196 (Don't answer that,Kim); if so, act like it; if not, it sure shows..... 197 198 The Master 199 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 217 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 218 - Master... I have taken PRE-Algebra, Algebra I & II and a - 219 - bit of geometry here and there. Aaron? What happened? New - 220 - name or something? I was gonna do that myself, but you beat - 221 - me to it. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha HA HA! - 222 - - 223 - To someone above, Pioneers' word for tesseract was correct. - 224 - A "HYPERCUBE" is not a cube within a cube, but a cube aside - 225 - a cube. This then casts a 3 dimensional shadow much like a - 226 - tesseract, but is not! A Hypercube is one cube set aside - 227 - themselves, at 1 cube a distance and all angles are not 90 - 228 - degrees. The term "HYPERCUBE" referrs to the shadow. Oh - 229 - well.... - 230 - - 231 - Pioneer... If you think about it for a while, the Doctors' - 232 - theory (fact?) on the infinite number is correct. For a big - 233 - example, divide the number 0 by 5. You get 0, because 5 - 234 - can't go into 0. Now, divide 5 by 0, and you cant even get - 235 - 0! This is because 0 has no incremental vaule, therefore, - 236 - something without a incremental value must be infinite. - 237 - - 238 - Another thing I'd like to know.... What would happen if an - 239 - immovable object met up with an unstobbable force? - 240 - - 241 - TRON - 242 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 243 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ 244 - This WAS an interesting discussion until people started to remark on the - 245 - lack of other people's education. That took some of the spice out of it. - 246 - Master, you are correct - I haven't taken enough math for discussions - 247 - like these - they just don't teach that stuff in high school. Yet. Mostly, - 248 - I regurgitate thoughts & ideas and various other theories while adding a - 249 - few thoughts of my own. - 250 - I get most of my interesting information out of Isaac Asimov's Science - 251 - Fiction Magazine, so pardon me if it's mostly science fiction. I don't know - 252 - too much better. - 253 - I thought up something funny some time ago: Assume Time is infinite, i.e.- 254 - it goes on forever and ever. Therefore, there has to be an infinite number - 255 - of days. If there are an infinite number of days, then it stands to reason - 256 - that there an infinite number of holidays. - 257 - Since infinity = infinity and cannot equal any other number, every day - 258 - should be a holiday. Unfortunately, common sense dictates that every day is - 259 - NOT a holidy. You can find that out by looking at your calendar. - 260 - Whether or not we are four-dimensional remains to be seen. We can think - 261 - back through our lifetime in an instant, or imagine a time in the future, - 262 - but does that mean we are four-dimensional? (Does that mean that that state - 263 - ment is clear? I don't think it is.) - 264 - I am relying on my description of a fourth-dimensional being, which, - 265 - being a guess is necessarily insubstantial. - 266 - Let's talk about something else since the people who are "interested" in - 267 - this discussion can only voice derogatory comments. How about the new video - 268 - game they are developing somewhere (Calfornia?) which is mind controlled. I - 269 - heard that it works on the principle of the lie detector. - 270 - What kind of reactions would the human body have if I thought: "up", - 271 - "down", "right", "left", "backward" & "forward" ? ..................Pioneer - 272 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 273 274 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 275 TRON, THE EXISTENCE OF AN IMMOVABLE OBJECT DISALLOWS THE EXISTENCE OF AN IRRESISTABLE FORCE, AND VICE VERSA. 276 IF AN OBJECT IS IMMOVABLE, THERE CAN BE NO FORCE THAT COULD MOVE IT, AND SO NO FORCE COULD BE DEFINED AS IRRESISTABLE. 277 IF A FORCE IS IRRESISTABLE, THERE CAN BE NOTHING THAT CAN RESIST IT, AND SO NO OBJECT COULD BE DEFINED AS IMMOVABLE. 278 THE DEFINITIONS ARE MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE, AND DISALLOW EACH OTHER. THEREFORE, NO ANSWER CAN BE GIVEN. 279 MASTER, WHILE I APPLAUD THE LEVEL OF INTELLIGENCE IN YOUR (AND UNSIGNED'S) COMMENTS, I CANNOT CONSIDER THOSE 280 STATEMENTS AS "CLEAR THINKING", AS THEY ARE FILLED WITH AD HOMINEM ARGUMENTS, REACTION BASED ON EMOTION RATHER THAN 281 THOUGHT, AND A GREAT DEAL OF EGO. SELF SERVING STATEMENTS AND MACHO POSTURING DON'T MAKE FOR "CLEAR THINKING". 282 283 [][][][][][][][][][][][]PAM.[][][][][][] 284 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 285 pioneer/doctor: 286 my apologies,i might have went to far...i find as my irk and ire at 287 some of these topics increase,my propensity to stoop to name calling 288 does also.....my apologies again..... 289 290 as for infinity=infinity, no, that isnt always true..... 291 does a line segment have less points on it than an infinite line? 292 well, yes, it does........aleph null and aleph 1 and all that jazz.... 293 Aaron 294 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 295 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^ 296 TO BATPOOP, MASTER, AND UNSIGNED: 297 First of all, I did not bring up the idea of superconduction. Leonard 298 brought it up, and the only used Ohm's law and I responded in same. I know 299 that there is much more than Ohm's law (magnetic flux, etc.) governing the 300 current of a semiconductor. As for the other problems encountered in using 301 superconduction as an example (integers, etc), the are due to the nature of 302 electrons, not the nature of 0/0. 303 As to my education, I have had math up to calculus, general physics, and 304 general chemistry. I'll be a freshman at OSU. 305 306 ERRATA: Semiconductor above should have been superconductor. 307 308 And to all of you who took shots at those of us who are talking about black 309 holes, 0/0, etc., I am not too impressed by YOU either. We make no claims 310 to be experts, physicists , or anything else. We were only communicating 311 some of our ideas to others who were interested. If you don't like that, 312 don't read the messages, or better yet point out where we are wrong, I 313 appreciate INTELLIGENT and CONSTRUCTIVE comments. After all, the purpose 314 of this system is to have a forum to exchange ideas, and I LOVE IT! 315 316 TO MASTER: Did you ever flunk TACT 101? Because if you did, IT SHOWS!!!!!!!!! 317 318 Hey XENON, what about another puzzle... 319 320 Hey Charlotte, where are you? 321 322 Anybody else have any comments on the above? 323 324 BYE THE DOCTOR 325 ^^-^^^-^^^^^-^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^-^^-^^^-^^^^^ 326 %%%%%%% 327 %%%%%%% 328 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 329 Doctor, I'm here, thanks for asking. But what I really want to do is talk to 330 PAM,, 331 Thanks for the information on the 1982 332 Magazine. I'll make every effort to 333 obtain it. 334 After working with the Sexual Assault Prevention Unit in Crime Prevention at 335 PPD, I generally agree with your comment on RAPE// 336 Yes, a high percent of RAPES occur between acquaintances, and yes, it is very 337 difficult to report a "date RAPE, or even worse, a "husband RAPE". However we 338 encourage women who are RAPED, as well as the spouse or loved one to REPORT, 339 mainly because the statistics HAVE PROVEN, (here's one for you,) that the 340 majority of men who RAPE will repeat the Crime. This will probably cause a stir 341 on this system but that's ok. Again, thanks for the info. 342 343 344 Charlotte 345 346 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 347 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 348 - To all, Somewhere I heard that the scientists have discover - 349 - ed a new solar system in the Alpha Centuri system (our twin - 350 - star). Is this true? - 351 - - 352 - TRON - 353 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 354 Answer: Scientists have discovered that surrounding a particular star, I forgot 355 which, is a significant emission of infrared. Conclusion? This must be some form of solid matter. This may either be solid 356 and formed like a planet, etc, or dust, rocks, boulders, etc. Scientists had never before actually demonstrated the 357 of solid matter around a star before. (not surprising, since they're so far away.) 358 359 To those that complain that their education is not the issue: Yes, it IS the issue. I reference a recent article 360 in Scientific American (month escapes me, but I'll look it up if necessary) that concerned people's misconceptions of 361 Physics. We all know that before Newton and his laws, people believed that objects that were thrown were kept moving 362 by the pressure of air behind them, that objects fell at speeds proportional to their weight, etc. Supposedly, that 363 is all behind us. But on the contrary, the article described research that indicated that a large percentage of the 364 population (in some cases over 50%) had various misconceptions along the lines of the pre-Newtonian physics. In fact, 365 even high-school physics students were often mistaken. 366 A number of the commonly held (and wrong) believes were totally ludicrous, while the rest were merely silly. 367 I won't go into the details, since the article was well-written and quite interesting, but it is clear that many people 368 aren't even qualified to discuss simple non-relativistic physics. Add to this the fact that relativistic physics is 369 quite non-intuitive and non obvious, and is even obscure to those who've had education in it, any discussion of it 370 on this BBS is futile and hopeless. 371 372 Sure, you can say that you have a "right" to talk about black holes. That's true, but you also have a "right" to believe 373 that the moon is made of green cheese, that 144,000 fairies can dance on the head of a pin, and that pigs can fly. 374 But until you stop displaying your ignorance of simple facts in math, physics, chemistry, astronomy, electronics, and 375 other areas of science, we have a right to consider your opinions worthless. 376 ][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 377 WHO WOULD WRITE A TERMINAL PROGRAM THAT DIDN'T PROPERLY WRAP AROUND PAST THE 378 80TH COLUMN, ANYWAY? WHO WOULD BUY SUCH A PROGRAM? 379 ******* 380 ******* 381 One t 382 383 384 ******* 385 386 One thi 387 ******* 388 ====================== 389 go ducks !!!!! 390 from the elusive duck 391 ====================== 392 hello jim 393 joeduck 394 ===================== 395 ================== 396 does anyone love the 397 ducks as i do ??? 398 joeduck 399 ==================== 400 401 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 402 - Someone tried to imitate me and didn't do a very good job. - 403 - Some person put an obscene message on here in an attempt to - 404 - degrade me! All I know is that they used a 22 coulmn screen - 405 - which only the vic 20's use and their border was QUITE in- - 406 - correct! Watch yourself, TRON II I presume? You'll really - 407 - have a hard time making a fool of me! - 408 - the REAL TRON - 409 - Sysm... Did YOU do that!?!?!?!??!!?? - 410 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 411 ************** 412 GO DUCKS!!!! 413 YES, JOEDUCK YOU ARE NOT ALONE; ALTHOUGH THE FIGHTING 414 DUCKS OFTEN TRY MY PATIENCE, LIKE TODAY FOR EXAMPLE... 415 OH WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS BASKETBALL. 416 GO DUCKS!!!! 417 DUCK FAN 418 ************** 419 420 DUCKS SUCK....ESPECIALLY TODAY.... 421 ************** 422 ===================== 423 yes, it is true...... 424 joeduck does use a 22 425 column screen. yes, 426 it is also true that 427 joeduck loves the 428 ducks as only a true 429 green duck fan can. 430 but joeduck never 431 never never never 432 uses obscenities! 433 never! 434 go ducks !!!!! 435 436 ===================== 437 ---------------------- 438 ma 79 439 ------------------------------------------------ 440 I REALLY WISH THAT PEOPLE THAT CHOOSE TO CHANGE THE MARGIN 441 SETTINGS WOULD ALSO CHOOSE TO SET THEM BACK TO SOMETHING THAT WAS REASONABLE 442 AFTER THEY GET DONE WITH THEM! 443 444 Anyway I wonder at the motivations of the folks that have been taking up an awful lot of time with arguments that 445 a freshman in college hasn't seen since day one. I really would like to see a 446 little less ego and a LOT more creativity on this board, I've seen it before 447 and I know that you folks can pull it through again. Please you are looping 448 through this and it is getting rather tiresome. 449 With Respect, 450 P.Abbus 451 452 --------------------------------------------- 453 Research Mode: 454 I would like to know why YOU bought a computer. 455 What do you use it for now? 456 What would you like to use it for? 457 What aspect of computers scared you the most? 458 How did you over come your fears of computers? 459 What do you think that the average person would like to see forom their 460 computer? 461 Why is your attention span so short? 462 What could your computer be used for (please disregard the previous 463 question, consider it a parity error). 464 465 How much would you pay for a program that would make your mini a 466 worth more to you (extra RAM and peripherals not included). 467 Bruce T. 468 ******************************************************************** 469 PAM: I would agree with your assesment of the unsigned person. Unfortunatly 470 it appears that your comment has left no impact upon the person. (Would a 471 baseball bat help?) The person spoke of erroronious statements and conclusions, 472 yet the very diatribe that was left was filled with those very things! 473 Ah well, There are those who would be afraid to explore the dark allies 474 and side streets for fear of discovering they might be wrong. 475 Charlotte: I notice that you speak only of female rape, what of male rape? 476 (I can hear it now from certain quarters of the Inn "There is no such thing 477 as male rape!" But indeed, what is rape? It is taking with out permission. 478 Typically rape is confused with arousal and permission. Sexual arousal is a 479 base emotion, and has little to do with permission. Many women who are raped 480 have been sexually aroused during the act, but that does not mean that the 481 permission is given. The same is true of a man, while it specifically is 482 required that the man be sexually aroused for the rape to take place, that 483 does not automatically presume permission. Of course this whole concept is 484 buried under the major aspect of rape which is of the female being raped. 485 It is highly uncommon for a male to be raped. In a way perhaps this is some 486 kind of statement on our society? I find the whole thing disgusting myself. 487 It is a shame that a crime such as this exists, and a shame that it will 488 probabally be here a thousand years from now. (Assuming that we are still 489 here, of which I have my doubts.) 490 ******* CISTOP MIKEY ****** 11 SEPT 83 ****** 2:30AM ******************* 491 ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE RUSSIANS SHOTTING DOWN THE 747? 492 493 **************************************** 494 TO: Bill Bigoni 495 From: Mike Roland 496 Bill I need to get ahold of you this sunday 497 Kevin's brother is in town and would like to visit the children! So call as soon as possible!!!! 498 Thanx 0 499 500 x 501 502 503 504 505 506 507 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 508 509 While it is apparent that there are those using this BBS who would be 510 likely to take up brain surgery after having a high school class on anatomy, 511 (even TRON inadvertantly proved that zero is infinite) I doubt that animousity 512 toward these persons will in any way disuade them or enhance the board 513 for other users. The nature of this board provides an opportunity for 514 those who noone would normally listen to, to make their opinions (qualified 515 or not) known. BBS's are likely to always be applied differently by 516 various users: Information medium, instrument of fantasy, ego-trip, comedy 517 hour, etc. LET IT BE! 518 Perhaps in the near future BBS's will be more specialized as to the users 519 interests. In the mean time I would 520 suggest to those who tend to delve 521 into areas in which they are not familiar, that they merely qualify 522 their statements as opinion, lest they be taken as fact. A small compromise. 523 Dirty Ol' Man 524 525 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 526 527 FIRST TIME ON BWMS. I HAVE USE OF SPAIT TIME ON THE COMPANYS NORTHSTAR HORIZON AND WOULD LIKE TO MEET SOMEONE 528 THAT KNOWS MORE ABOUT IT. 529 J MAC 530 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 531 Some people would argue that homosexuality is harmless to those caught up in it 532 and to American society in general. Mikey's comment brings up another in the 533 list of harms caused by homosexuality: male rape is not uncommon in the homo- 534 sexual world and its periphery. If rape is a manifestation of violence, then 535 homosexual males are supporting the incidence of violence in our society (read 536 "our downtowns and our neighborhoods"). Dave 537 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 538 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 539 yes, Mike, a clear distinstion and a point well worth making........ 540 541 as to dave: (preface: i am not homosexual ) 542 543 544 ignoring the absurdity of your last note, I extend an invitation: 545 546 What are the OTHER elements in the "list of harms" 547 caused by homosexuality? 548 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 549 550 TO ALL 551 FROM ROBAT 552 SUBJECT::: CORKBOARD BBS PHONE NUMBER 553 554 654-9352 555 556 THAT IS ALL... 557 558 EXIT 559 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 560 561 By the way, in response to line 617 on previous disk (now B), NO, I 562 would not want to perform rape with a toroidal black hole. The tidal 563 forces would rip my ..... into subatomic particles. 564 565 Dirty Ol' Man 566 567 DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~DOM~ 568 TO: ALL RE: 0 569 Just a thought, particularly to those who have programed in basic or some 570 other high level langauge. Think back on that last time you had a fight 571 with your program when you were writting it. Particularly involving the 572 division by zero that was hapening because you were feeding the equation 573 a zero in one of the variables. Now remeber how ticked off yo were because 574 you had to specifically trap for zero to handle it since the program would 575 blow up everytime it hit that point. Now think upon how many times it 576 either would not have mattered it the value had been zero, or you really 577 did want it to be zero with a result out of the equation as zero. How many 578 of you out there would much rather have had a zero result rather then 579 an ERROR stop? This is a quiz, the answers will be seen by all... 580 The idea behind all this, is that while adhering to exact rules of math 581 can be nice in most cases, there are areas that the rules may be more 582 trouble then they are worth particularly if they don't fit the appilcation. 583 (If everybody would rather have a zero result returned, then maybe 584 something is wrong with the rule.) (Now I'm probably in trouble with the 585 mathmaticians here, they tend to get very irrate when someone questions 586 their rules, since it is all they have to work with.) 587 ****** CISTOP MIKEY ********* SEPT 11, 1983 ****** 11:30 AM ************* 588 If you think that's difficult, consider the solution to 0 to the zero-th 589 power. What is it? what do you think it is? Why? (I know the answer, it' 590 s actually defined.) 591 ---------------------- 592 MIKE, YOUR PHRASE "BASIC OR SOME OTHER HIGH-LEVEL LANGUAGE" ASSUMES THAT 593 BASIC IS A HIGH-LEVEL LANGUAGE. TALK TO DIJKSTRA OR WEIZENBAUM ABOUT 594 THIS. 595 //////////////// 596 597 RHI,YALL... NEW SIGN IN, HERE... 598 RE: KAL 007 TRAGEDY... AS OF 111 SEPT 83 NEWS REPORTS 'FALSE' TRANSLATION 599 OF RUSSIAN PILOTS' CONVERSATION PRESENTED TO U-N SEC. COUNCIL BY U.S.A. 600 NEW TRANSLATION INDICATES THERE ACTUALLY WERE CANNONS FIRED (WARNING SHOTS?) 601 AT THE 747. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T MAKE THINGS ANY BETTER, BUT WE ARE BEING 602 LIED TO BY both SIDES. ALSO, THE SOVIETS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE TESTING 603 A NEW ANTI-MISSILE THAT SAME NIGHT. 604 WILL THE TRUTH EVER BE KNOWN? 605 ............................................................................ 606 RE: HARMS CAUSED BY HOMOSEXUALITY... WHAT ABOUT HARMS CAUSED BY 607 HETEROSEXUALITY? SUCH AS OVER POPULATION, ETC. THERE IS NO REAL E 608 DIFFERENCE, ASIDE FROM THE OBVIOUS, 609 STEREOTYPES, BAR BRAWLS, RUDE PEOPLE, BARFING ON THE FLOOR, TOO MANY DRUGS, 610 CONVENTIONAL TWERPS... EVEN BIGOTRY AND RACISM. I BELEIVE TTHESE PROBLEMS 611 ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO EITHER HETERO- OR HOMOSEXUAL SCENES. WHY DON'T WE 612 TRY TO CONCENTRATE ON OUT COMMON INTERESTS RATHER THAT REASONS TO EXCLUDE A 613 SEGMENT OF HUMANITY. EVEN NON-GAYS GET A.I.D.S.! 614 --STAR-DUCK 615 How do you know this? 616 _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ 617 - Well, I have my own private theories about the way the 747 wandered into - 618 - Soviet airspace. My favorite theory was suggested to me by my General Elec- - 619 - tronics teacher at Parkrose High School. - 620 - His theory goes something like this: as some of you may know, there is a - 621 - worldwide radio-network designed to keep planes on course. Pilots just dial - 622 - in the right number and the autopilot follows the radio beam. - 623 - In America, most 747s have at least four pilots in the cockpit. All of - 624 - the pilots have to agree on the course set before the plane can take off. In- 625 - this way, no mistakes are made. In certain foreign airlines, the captain is - 626 - considered to be the supreme ruler - his decision is law. Thus, he could've - 627 - dialed in the wrong number and no one would've questioned him.......Pioneer - 628 -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 629 Wee! I got the last disk...the last disk...the last...the last...the...the.....