FILE ON MARGIN IS 128 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ********************* REMOVED: 6 JUL 83 ***************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 ********************************************************* 26 I just read an article in The Newscientist which says that 27 I'm a parisite on the female of the sex. Woe is me... 28 Is it not enough that I am continually bandied with the 29 concept of me being nothing more then a figurehead without 30 having to hear my sex being called a parisite as well? 31 To be more specific, it is calling me a Geonomic disease 32 sort of like a virus. It's bad enough being called a disease 33 but to be put in the same catagory as the common cold! That 34 is a low blow! 35 As they put it; 36 Primitive sexuality is a contagious disease. Bacteria 37 normally reproduce asexually, by splitting in two. But when 38 Escherichia coli becomes infected with a segment of 39 parisitic DNA - a plasmoid known as the F factor - the bug 40 begins to mate (Oh great now they are calling me a bug as 41 well - tisk tisk) It grows sex pili and uses them to inject 42 the F factor and bits of its own DNA into other bacteria. 43 Parisitic DNA may have invented sexual reproduction simply 44 in order to spread itself around between lineages. 45 *** A VERY DEPRESSED CISTOP MIKEY *** 8:00PM *** 26 JUN 83 *** 46 Sorry, Mike, we all gotta come from somewhere, but lay off that parasite 47 bit; it still takes 2 to make babies. Of course, one man and a lot of 48 women (or should that be ladies?).... 49 For all you forth freeks: in the latest Creative there is a review of the 50 Jupiter Ace, the first(I do beleive) computer that comes with forth in 51 ROM, so it starts up in forth, not basic. The price is only $150. It is 52 sort of like an improved Sinclair. 53 However, for rather less money you can buy a VIC-20, and the VICFORTH 54 cartridge, get FORTH, more memory, a far better keyboard, color graphics, 55 and when you want to write a program, can unplug forth, and run BASIC. 56 We'll have to wait and see what it actually sells for, the VIC is still 57 being advertised as "less than $299", but last I saw it was nearer $85. 58 When will we have a small Pascal in ROM? 59 60 Oh, by the way Mike, why did you switch discs so soon, there is still 61 good room on DB? 62 //////////////////////////////////B.A.D.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 63 DISK DRIVES .....LOW COST... 64 DOUBLE HEADED 40 TRACK $299.95 65 15 MEGABYTE INTERNAL WINCHESTERS LESS THAN $1250.00.... 66 40 TRACK MPI FLIPPY JUST $ 249.95 67 BOB MCKNIGHT 777-xxxx 68 TRS SPECIALIST REPAIRS AND MODS.LOWER CASE MOD I $40 69 COCO LOWER CASE $100.00, 64K $85 TRS-80 EXPANSION INTERFACE $350LIKE NEW 48K 70 BOB MCKNIGHT 777-xxxx IBM CLONE THE CORONA IS A FANTASTIC MACHINE...CALL 71 72 OFF 73 SAVE 74 OFF 75 .............................................. 76 TRON: What was that bit about CHR$(8) & CHR$(9)? I intercept 77 the KEYBOARD driver at the RAM vector, thus things get changed 78 BEFORE the video driver can mess them up! When would be a good 79 time to call you and exchange programs? (I'm leaving msg here 80 because CBBS is not responding to me. I get carrier and then 81 nothing......) 82 _________________________Leonard___________________________ 83 p.s. the U of O has a LISP for the TRS-80! 84 ___________________________________________________________ 85 \|/ 86 -|- 87 / \ 88 * 89 +++ 90 ++ 91 ++ 92 ++ 93 *** *** 94 ***** ***** 95 ************** 96 ************* 97 ************ 98 ************ 99 ************* 100 ************** 101 ************ 102 ********** 103 ******* 104 KKKKKKKBBBBBAAAAANNNNNGGGGG!!!!!!! 105 Happy fourth of July from Shibumi... 106 ======================================= 107 To the person who wanted the BBS numbers on the the other 108 disk....the # to call to find a very complete BBS listing 109 is (206) 693-xxxx. That is the vancouver BBS and he has 110 a very good listing of all the BBS's around the Oregon 111 and Washington area. (and beyond) Anyway..if you have 112 not called there before, when the system asks you for a 113 users ID type "NEWUSER" and for a password type "FIRSTIME". 114 (without quotes) When you get to a system ready prompt type 115 "BBLIST" and thats all there is to it. 116 Be patient. His system operates a little slower than the 117 others but he has a very complete setup and is worth 118 checking out. Bye. 119 ======================================= 120 UP 25 121 ---------- 122 To: Leonard From: Tron Re: Video and keyboard 123 124 Yes, that's what I meant. I meant to say that the keyboard 125 driver routine is intercepted at the KEYBOARD DCB, and same is 126 true with the Video. Okay, now the sticky stuff. Where does he 127 want it located? Below BASIC storage area? Protected in high 128 memory? Where? Also, what does he want, say character codes 9 129 and 127 to do? Does he want special characters to do special 130 things like 7 will produce a bell out the cassette port? Tell 131 me EXACTLY what he wants and I'll write it just for him. You 132 don't need to tell me EVERY code and what it does, but simply 133 what ones are different from the ones ordinarrily displayed by 134 the TRS-80. 135 136 Tron 137 ---------- 138 Mikey: 139 Who cares what that magazine says? Apparently that guy has a 140 lot of nerve publishing that thing! 141 ---------- 142 TO: Berney Fm: CISTOP Mikey 143 The real reason I changed the disk was that I was getting 144 Intensively bored with the goings on of late and was hopeing to 145 inject some new blood with a fresh disk. This was also my reason 146 for implanting the above article refferance in the hopes that I 147 would get a response of some sort out of it. I must say that 148 I am surprized at the ho-hum response so far. As strongly as it 149 was worded I had expected to get a much stronger reaction. 150 Hmmm, Maybe it was too strong? I do have to say that the extrapolations 151 of the ideas were mine, I was simply taking things to their logical 152 conclusion based on the presented thought pattern. The last 153 paragraph however is almost verbatim from the article with the 154 exception of my comment in (). P.S. don't take my comments or 155 ramblings too seriously, I generally inject them just to see what 156 kind of response I'll get! 157 *** CISTOP MIKEY (NOW THE TRUTH IS KNOWN!) *** 27 JUN 83 *** 2:21PM *** 158 ---------- 159 Does anyone know of a straight line-draw routine for the TRS-80 160 model I computer? I'd like it so it would hold the first x,y 161 coordinate in DE and the second x,y coordinate in HL. You call 162 a routine and it would draw the line. Could anyone do this or 163 does anyone know of a routine that will? PLEASE respond. I need 164 this routine bad........ 165 166 167 Tron 168 Any help would be appreciated. 169 ---------- 170 TO TRON**** 171 IN MY VAST LIBRARY OF "PIRATED" I MEAN DONATED..PROGRAMS I HAVE A COUPLE THAT 172 DRAW LINE SKETCHES. i'M NOT INTO ASSEMBLY SO i DON'T KNOW HOE THEY WORK. 173 ASSEMBLY LESSONS WANTED..CALL BOB MCKNIGHT .... 174 175 MODEL 1 EXPANSION INTERFACE R/S 176 WITH 32K JUST $350 177 MODEL 1 L AND W EXPANSION INTERFACE ...COMPLETE BOARD $250 BOB MCKNIGHT 178 179 WELL MICKEY, YOU TRIED, BUT IT SEEMS YOU PICKED A BAD DAY TO START A NEW SESSION 180 SEEMS CBBS IS HAVING PROBLEMS TODAY SO ALL THE NON ALIASES ARE CALLING HERE TODA 181 GUESS THAT HOW IT IS SOME TIMES. 182 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 183 To Pann, Fm Adam Trent, 184 Hi, Thanks for mentioning the meeting. Last time I tried to go to 185 the meeting (at the Aloha Computer&Things) the building was vacant. 186 Did they move or go out of business?? I'll try to make the one at Tek. 187 I like STOIC over FORTH because, as a high-level language, it offers 188 a more symetric model for handling strings and string literals. It 189 has a compile buffer which allows for more flexibility in "immediate" 190 testing of routines. Haven't used CODE word defining in STOIC (ie, I 191 haven't dropped into the STOIC assembler). It has one though. Speed 192 is definitely comparable to FIG-FORTH if you assemble STOIC with-out 193 stack boundary checking (I like stack boundary checking, tho). 194 STOIC is 75% 8080 ASM and 25% in itself. FORTH is usually 75% in 195 itself and 25% in ASM. This generally leads to pretty good 196 performance for STOIC as compared to FORTH. The STOIC vocabulary 197 stack is a more rational mechanism than the static vocabulary 198 tree of FORTH. The FORTH disk access model is more primitive and 199 thus more flexible than the CP/M file access provided with stock 200 STOIC. HOWEVER, line numbers (ala BASIC) and screen numbers 201 (ala FORTH) are absolute references and are DUMB in my opinion. 202 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$27jun83 - 1835 - Adam Trent$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 203 Ok, someone believes that men are a disease of women. Well, as 204 a member of the contagious army, I have a proposition: 205 Any women out there who want to get infected? 206 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 207 Caution:the working Heath EBH BASIC version died in a system crash; this 208 is an earlier version partly converted to Microsoft:::1 CLEAR 1000 ' THIS REPLACES DIM(I$(800) 209 2 DIM S(40),R(20),L(10),L0(10):3 DIM B$(80) 'This should be part of "clear"??:4 PRINT "BASIC-FORTH V 3":5 ?"by C.H.Ting 210 6 ?"Dr. Dobb's Journal #60,Oct 81;vol 6,iss10, pp12:20 rem N is SP,M is RP,K is IP,L is W:24 ON ERROR GOTO 29:28 GOTO 30 211 29 PRINT A$;" ?"; "ERROR ";ERR; "IN ";ERL:30 M=0:32 N=0:50 REM *** TEXT INTERPRETER ***:60 K=1:62 INPUT I$:64 L1=0 212 70 L(K)=L1:72 L0(K)=LEN(I$):74 L1=L0(K):100 IF N<0 THEN 106:101 IF XZ THEN PRINT 101:104 GOTO 110:106 PRINT "STACK EMPTY" 213 108 GOTO 30:110 L(K)=L(K)+1:112 IF L(K)>L0(K) THEN 132:114 B$=MID$(I$,L(K),1)'text was B$=MID$(L(K),L(K)) 214 116 IF B$=" " THEN 110:118 A$=B$:120 L(K)=L(K)+1:121 IF L(K)>L0(K) THEN 130:122 B$=MID$(I$,L(K),1)'SEE 114 215 124 IF B$=" " THEN 130:126 A$=A$+B$'text was A$=A$,B$:128 GOTO 120:130 GOTO 200:132 IF K<2 THEN 60:134 K=K-1 216 135 I$=LEFT$(I$,L0(K))'text used I$(1,L0(K)):136 L1=L0(K):138 GOTO 110:200 '# DICTIONARY # 217 210 ' 300 TO 900 = HIGH LEVEL DEFINITOINS:300 IF A$<>"SQUARE" THEN 310:302 B$="DUP *":304 I$=I$+B$'see 135:306 K=K+1 218 308 GOTO 70:310 IF A$<>"CUBE" THEN 320:312 B$="DUP SQUARE *":314 I$=I$+B$'see 135:316 K=K+1:318 GOTO 70 219 320 IF A$<>"TEST" THEN 330:322 B$="DO PI 10 / R@ * sin . loop" 'good luck with "@" and MBASIC 220 324 I$=I$+B$ 'you may want to use something:326 K=K+1 'else:328 GOTO 70:900 '* LOW LEVEL DEFINITIONS - NUCLEUS * 221 902 IF A$<>"+" THEN 910:904 N=N-1:906 S(N)=S(N)+S(N+1):908 goto 100:910 IF A$<>"-" THEN 920:912 N=N-1 222 914 S(N)=S(N)-S(N+1):916 GOTO 100:920 IF A$<>"*" THEN 930:922 N=N-1:924 S(N)=S(N)*S(N+1):926 GOTO 100 223 930 IF A$<>"/" THEN 940:932 N=N-1:934 S(N)=S(N)/S(N+1):936 GOTO 100:940 IF A$<>"ABS" THEN 950:942 S(N)=ABS(S(N)) 224 944 GOTO 100:950 IF A$<>"ATN" THEN 960:952 S(N)=ATN(S(N)):954 GOTO 100:960 IF A$<>"COS" THEN 970:962 S(N)=COS(S(N)) 225 964 GOTO 100:970 IF A$<>"EXP" THEN 980:972 S(N)=EXP(S(N)):974 GOTO 100:980 IF A$<>"INT" THEN 990:982 S(N)=INT(S(N)) 226 984 GOTO 100:990 IF A$<>"LOG" THEN 1000:992 S(N)=LOG(S(N)):994 GOTO 100:1000 IF A$<>"RND" THEN 1010 227 1002 S(N)=RND(1)'text was S(N)=RND(-N):1004 GOTO 100:1010 IF A$<>"SGN" THEN 1020:1012 S(N)=SGN(S(N)) '? DEF OF SGN ?? 228 1014 GOTO 100:1020 IF A$<>"SIN" THEN 1030:1022 S(N)=SIN(S(N)):1024 GOTO 100:1030 IF A$<>"SQR" THEN 1040 229 1032 S(N)=SQR(S(N)):1034 GOTO 100:1040 IF A$<>"TAN" THEN 1050:1042 S(N)=TAN(S(N)):1044 GOTO 100:1050 IF A$<>"^" THEN 1060 230 1052 N=N-1:1054 S(N)=S(N)^S(N+1)'S(N) to power of S(N+1):1056 GOTO 100:1060 IF A$<>"S?" THEN 1070:1062 FOR I=1 TO N 231 1064 PRINT S(N-I+1):1066 NEXT I:1068 GOTO 100:1070 IF A$<>"." THEN 1080:1071 IF N<1 THEN 106:1072 PRINT S(N):1074 N=N-1 232 1076 GOTO 100:1080 IF A$<>"DUP" THEN 1090:1082 N=N+1:1084 S(N)=S(N-1):1086 GOTO 100:1090 IF A$<>"DROP" THEN 1100 233 1092 N=N-1:1094 GOTO 100:1100 IF A$<>"SWAP" THEN 1110:1102 SWAP S(N),S(N-1):1108 GOTO 100:1110 IF A$<>"OVER" THEN 1120 234 1112 N=N+1:1114 S(N)=S(N-2):1116 GOTO 100:1120 IF A$<>">R" THEN 1130:1122 M=M+1:1124 R(M)=S(N):1126 N=N-1:1128 GOTO 100 235 1130 IF A$<>"R>" THEN 1140:1132 N=N+1:1134 S(N)=R(M):1136 M=M-1:1138 GOTO 100:1140 IF A$<>"R@" THEN 1200'see 322 236 1142 N=N+1:1144 S(N)=R(M):1146 GOTO 100:1200 '* CONTROL STRUCTURES *:1202 IF A$<>"=" THEN 1210:1203 N=N-1 237 1204 IF S(N)=S(N+1) THEN 1207:1205 S(N)=0:1206 GOTO 100:1207 S(N)=1:1209 GOTO 100:1210 IF A$<>">" THEN 1220:1212 N=N-1 238 1214 IF S(N)>S(N+1) THEN 1217:1215 S(N)=0:1216 GOTO 100:1217 S(N)=1:1218 GOTO 100:1220 IF A$<>"<" THEN 1230:1222 N=N-1 239 1223 IF S(N)"IF" THEN 1250:1231 N=N-1 240 1232 IF S(N+1)=0 THEN 100'DEF OF "IF"<>0 IS TRUE?;text was IF S(N+1)THEN 100:1233 FOR I=L(K) TO L0(K) -3 241 1234 B$=MID$(I$,I,4) 'text was B$=I$(I,I+3):1235 IF B$="ELSE" THEN 1240:1236 IF B$="THEN" THEN 1240:1237 NEXT I 242 1238 PRINT "IF?":1239 GOTO 30:1240 L(K)=I+4:1241 GOTO 100:1242 GOTO 100:1250 IF A$<>"ELSE" THEN 1260:1252 GOTO 1233 243 1260 IF A$<>"THEN" THEN 1270:1262 GOTO 100:1270 IF A$<>"BEGIN" THEN 1280:1272 M=M+1:1274 R(M)=L(K):1276 GOTO 100 244 1280 IF A$<>"UNTIL" THEN 1300:1282 N=N-1:1283 IF S(N+1) = 0 THEN 1288'added "=0":1284 IF S(N+1)= 0 THEN 100 ' " " 245 1286 L(K)=R(M):1287 GOTO 100:1288 M=M-1:1289 GOTO 100:1300 IF A$<>"DO" THEN 1320:1302 M=M+1:1304 R(M)=L(K):1305 M=M+1 246 1306 R(M)=S(N-1):1308 M=M+1:1309 R(M)=S(N):1310 N=N-2:1312 GOTO 100:1320 IF A$<>"LOOP" THEN 1340:1322 R(M)=R(M)+1 247 1324 IF R(M-1)>R(M) THEN 1330:1326 M=M-3:1328 GOTO 100:1330 L(K)=R(M-2):1332 GOTO 100:1340 '* CONSTANTS * 248 1500 IF A$<>"PI" THEN 1510:1502 N=N+1:1504 S(N)=3.14159:1506 GOTO 100:1510 IF A$<>"0" THEN 1520:1512 N=N+1:1514 S(N)=0 249 1516 GOTO 100:1520 IF A$<>"STOP" THEN 1600:1522 STOP:1600 '* NUMBER *:1604 N=N+1:1606 S(N)=VAL(A$):1608 GOTO 100 250 ::::2000'the end 251 252 to use the above. you must convert all colons : to your newline function, usually 253 a carriage return, line feed or both. 254 it is about 100-120 characters per line, to fit on here; the 50 or so 255 lines becomes about 250 when expanded:: it won't work unless expanded. 256 I don't promise anything; the @ especially is death to Microsoft, at 257 least in my version,& becomes a newline without ending a logical line. 258 It simply disappears. Heath basic works OK. 259 have fun fun fun fun nuf nuf nuf nuf nuf (FORTH IS BACKWARDS) 260 @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ 261 Oh, by the wqay Mike, when it seems you are serious, we'll all just 262 move to CBBS, the Bit Bucket, or PMS,,or?? 263 ...........................................B.A.D.....I still prefer C.... 264 PS IT STARTS AT LINE 1; THE HEADER GOT MIXED IN DURING THE CONDENSING. 265 ................................................... 266 ..................................................... 267 ZZZZZZ SNORE 268 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 28 Jun 83 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 269 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 00:49 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 270 Picture a figure with desolate stance, a wisp of a girl with face 271 upturned, who waits before a towering door of wood rough-hewn...her eyes 272 troubled & dark, she reaches for the forbidding knocker, but her hands 273 tremble as she does so, hesitant to touch the cold metal. She draws back 274 her hand, and instead rearranges her cloak to wrap her closer against the 275 unfriendly wind, listening all the while to the raucous laughter, probing 276 for a familiar voice in the crowd behind the door... 277 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> d <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 278 Welcome back, Dragon Lady (or may I call you Drag, for short). Sorry 279 you couldn't join my party. I'm sorry that my prose is rusty and 280 unimaginative, but as Mr. T said when asked if he'd do Shakespeare, 281 "I don't talk in that kind of broken english." 282 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: jb ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 283 Mike, do you have any 600:600 ohm phone line matching transformers just 284 sitting around gathering dust that I could beg, borrow, steal, or even pay a 285 little money for?????? 286 ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: jb :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: 287 *************************************************************** 288 So I return! I apologize for making fun of Tron. He's one of 289 my friends out here in Corbett and I just liked to get him back 290 for a few things he did to me. I reamlly am sorry for making him 291 sound dumb. He really isn't if you really get to talking. Well, 292 I'd better get out of here....... 293 *********************** Darth Vader *************************** 294 ************** 295 296 THIS IS YOUR EMPEROR! 297 298 YOU WILL ALL SURRENDER TO THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE AT ONCE, 299 OR YOU SHALL SUFFER A FATE WORSE THAN ANYTHING YOU HAVE EVER 300 SEEN BEFORE. 301 302 303 ---------------------------------------- 304 TO: "TRON" 305 306 TEE DAWSON HAS INFORMED ME THAT YOU 307 PROGRAM IN MACHINE LANGUAGE AND ARE 308 VERY GOOD WITH MOST COMPUTERS. 309 I PROGRAM IN MACHINE CODE FOR 310 THE 6502 (1 1/2 YEARS), AND A LITTLE 311 ON THE Z-80, AS WELL AS PROGRAMMING IN 312 SEVERAL OTHER LANGUAGES. 313 TEE SUGGESTED THAT I GET IN TOUCH 314 WITH YOU. I AM INTERESTED IN WHAT YOU 315 CAN DO AND MABEY WE COULD EXCHANGE SOME 316 TECHNICAL INFORMATION. 317 I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD 318 LEAVE A MESSAGE FOR ERIK ROGERS EITHER 319 HERE OR ON THE BIT BUCKET. 320 THANKS. 321 ---------------------------------------- 322 TO: JB FM: MIKE RE:TRANSFORMERS 323 SORRY, I DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENTLY, SUGGEST YOU GO DOWN TO 324 RADAR ELECTRIC, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING MINE. 325 AS I REMEMBER, THEY ONLY CARRYED THE CENTER TAPPED VERSION 326 IN STOCK, BUT THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM, JUST DON'T HOOK ANYTHING 327 TO THE CENTER TAP. 328 ***************************************************** 329 GEE, WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL THE GOOD STUFF THAT USED 330 TO BE ON HERE AND IS A TRADITION OF THE BACKWATER BBS? 331 ====================================== 332 Greetings, O Lady of Dragons! Come and be seated. Wouldst thou 333 care for some of the innkeeper's mead? No matter, if thou wish 334 anything I'm sure that thou shalt find it. 335 Now that thou art comfortable, pray tell us what thou 336 wouldst discuss. May I be so bold as to request some aid in the 337 proper conjugation of certain verbs? (I am QUITE aware that 338 "thou wish" is incorrect, but I must needs confess my ignorance 339 of the proper form.) 340 341 Welcome and well-met, 342 _____________________________the apprentice_____________________ 343 -------------- 344 345 THIS IS EMPEROR PALLPATINE. 346 347 NONE OF YOU HAS SURRENDERED TO THE DARK SIDE. NOW FOR YOU LACK 348 YOU WILL DIE!!!!! 349 350 351 352 THERE YOUR EARS SHOULD BE WELL FRIED BY NOW!!!!!!!!!!! 353 ---------- 354 HOW DOES ONE GET CP/M TO COME UP ON THIS THING???? 355 356 357 --------- 358 Emporer, 359 You can't make me do anything! I am not going to surrender to 360 the dark side of the Force because the dark side sucks! Fortunatley 361 for me, my terminal doesn't have a built in bell. So, face on 362 you buddy! 363 364 Tron 365 P.S. Never mess with Tron........... 366 --------- 367 ************************************j*************************************** 368 This is an attempt to test a modem 1 on a TRS-80 Model 4 369 *************************************************************************.** 370 WELL, IS SURE SEEMS TO WORK. 371 372 --------------------- 373 HEY EMPORER, 374 HOW WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW HOW IT 375 FEELS TO HAVE THE ELECTRON SPRAY IN 376 YOUR CRT PAINT YOUR FACE? 378 379 BIT BYTER 380 ---------------------- 381 If you do a "CC N" when you sign on, you will avoid the bell anyway!! 382 __________Max Grody____________________________________________ 383 Hey, little lizard, is your tongue sharp enough to do battle with 384 _________Max Grody____????????????????????????????????????????? 385 Apprentice, if you try "thou wilst", you are in the ballpark, I seem to 386 remember that was common a few years back, somewhere, somewhen, 387 or thereabouts. 388 In the new Newsweek there is an article on supercomputers, and the "race 389 with Japan, Inc. to produce one. It seems there is some fear that the 390 about $1 billion planned to be spent in the US isn't enough to offset 391 the $200 million that Japan is about to spend. They took over the 392 pocket calculator market, the elecrtonic watch market, and now 393 supercomputers? They haven't even made a dent in the microcomputer market 394 yet. (Except for printers) And this is because they haven't been able to 395 get into the software. Yet. We won't say anything about the fact that 396 the US firms that are trying to beat out Japan are afraid of being sued 397 for doing the very thing that Japan is doing. (Neither IBM nor AT&T 398 would join, because of the legal problems.) Right we (US) own the market, 399 all 76 machines of it. I believe the person who wrote the article was 400 severely overstating the importance of this huge market; the very fact 401 that IBM is not counted among the makers of supercomputers says a little 402 about their view of the value of such, or the market possibilites of the 403 things. (To a company that sells about half the big computers in the world, 404 and about 1/5 the small ones, (( a million or so)) the possibility of 405 selling another dozen isn't worth the cost.) Will a few billion bucks 406 really be enough? After all, most of the present super c's are made by 407 Cray, and designed by one person (Cray himself), who also laid the basis 408 for much of the competion's (CDC's). 409 The interesting thing is the comments on what is "just around the corner" 410 in the field of artificial intelligence: computers who talk, and can be 411 talked to, or ones that seem truly "intelligent" (ie, in an open discussion, 412 can seem aware of what is happening, and react or answer in a sensible 413 manner). Why is this so especially noteworthy? Because I have a book 414 written in the mid 1950's ( 30 years ago) that said that the same things 415 were JUST AROUND THE CORNER! Machine translation from one language to 416 another seemed closer then than it does today, because it has been tried, 417 and fell on it's butt. Truly, we are a lot closer to artificial 418 intelligence today (by about 30 years) but God alone knows how long more 419 we must wait. My guess is that when such a machine is built, we won't know 420 it, because it will take abut 20 years to program it. In other words, 421 about as long as it takes to program it's competion, the human brain. 422 If something that operates about a million times slower is a more powerful 423 computer, just maybe they are looking in the wrong direction?? How 424 about parallel processing? Use 10 million neurons to replace one IC, 425 try holographic encodeing in 100 million for a memory, with majority 426 logic for error correction, feed it sugar and ATP, in water, call it 427 a brain, house it in a self replicating, self repairing, self programming 428 body, and call it a person. It isn't obsolete yet. 429 //////////////////////////////////B.A.D.\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ 430 ----- 431 Once the program for the "intelligent" computer was finished, however, you 432 could have it build more "intelligent" computers or just copy its program 433 to another computer. 434 ----- 435 So, you say, the supercomputer can outdo its human rival: real, live cloning 436 ! Or will that take 9 months, too. 'Course, it now takes a human babe 437 'bout 20 years to gain a bit of judgment, right? 438 *&**&*&**&*&**&*&*&**&*&*&*&*&**&*&*&***&*&**&*&*&**&***&***& 439 Apprentice: Learn these things: Honor thy teachers, but be ye wary lest ye 440 grasp the wrong lessons. 'Tis ill-formed to speak with the contractive 441 tongue; 'tis worse to pen it. Refrain ye from words like "conjugate", lest 442 ye raise yon hairy crop upon the backs of your fingers. Ol' Master 443 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 444 The problem with computer translation of languages isn't the 445 computer's fault. If you want proof, consider the following: 446 Ask someone what "yeah" means. They will probably say something 447 like "it means yes, or indicates agreement". To this you respond 448 "Oh yeah?" 449 Try running that thru a computer! My point is that the REAL 450 problem is that while you can tell a computer how to do ANYTHING 451 we usually get upset when it does what it was told to. We really 452 DON'T know what the rules for various human languages are and 453 we certainly have no idea what "intelligence" IS. When we figure 454 out what it is, we will probably find that we COULD have done it 455 with present day machines. 456 __________________________Leonard_______________________________ 457 To: Bob McKnight From: Tron Re: Assembly lessons 458 459 460 Bob, I called you a few days ago concerning assembly language. 461 I think I may have contacted your son or a kid in the house but 462 I'll teach you assembly language if you are willing to learn. 463 Give me a call at 695-xxxx Mondays through Mondays from 10:00am 464 to 8:30pm. 465 466 Tron 467 _____________ 468 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 469 470 THIS IS THE EMPEROR....YOU ARE ALL MY SLAVES......PUT DOWN YOUR 471 LIGHTSABERS AND COME TO ME ON YOUR KNEES.....GIVE UP YOUR APPLES 472 AND TURN THEM IN FOR IBM'S...IF YOU DON'T YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'LL 473 GET........SOME OF THIS.... 474 475 GOT IT....GOOD....EVERYTHING HAS GONE ACCORDING TO MY PLANS... 476 477 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 478 TO:CISYOP MIKEY FM:THE EMPEROR 479 SJ:CP/M 480 481 MIKEY, 482 HOW DOES I GET CP/M TO COME UP...YOU CHANGE THE PASSWORD??? 483 484 P.S. DON'T FOOL WITH ME..!! 485 TO:ANYONE INTERESTED. FROM:THE BRUISER 486 THERE IS A BBS IN CAL. THAT HAS A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF!!! CALL 408-253-xxxx 487 I HAVE AN ATARI 800. BUT THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF PROGRAMS AND GAMES YOU CAN 488 489 GET. 490 491 BY THE WAY, DO YOU THINK THAT DARTH VADER GOODSIDE COMING OUT IN THE RETURN 492 OF THE JEDI COINCIDES WITH THE REBIRTH OF PORTLAND'S MEANEST,FOULEST,DIRTIEST 493 WRESTLER, I.E. PLAYBOY BUDDY ROSE.(YEAH, WE WANT BUDDY). MAYBE THERES HOPE 494 FOR REAGAN.(HEY,HEY,HES NO GOOD. SEND HIM BACK TO HOLLYWOOD.) 495 ========== 496 Someone above said that it takes 20 years for someone to develop 497 judgement. Well, in the case of some who use this system, I suspect it 498 will take a lot longer. 499 ========== 500 From the looks of things, it may be never for most of the inhabitants. 501 Also, the existence of intelligence is more probable in computers 502 than among the present generation!!!!!! 503 _________Max Grody_________________________________________________ 504 DOES ANYWON WITH A BERANE USE THIS SISTEM???? IF SOO, DROP ME 505 ---------------------------------------------------------------- 506 CPM NO LONGER EXISTS ON THIS SYSTEM... SORRY 507 ******* CISTOP MIKEY ****** 30 JUN 83 ************************* 508 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 509 THERE MAY YET BE SOME INTELLIGENT LIFE 510 FORMS DRIFTING AMONG US, BUT THEY 511 REMAIN TO BE FOUND! 512 513 <> 514 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 515 516 NEW SHIPMENT OF DISK DRIVES JUST ARRIVED BOB MCKNIGHT 777-2555 517 JUST WANTED TO SEE IF A NEW MODEM WORKS. NOW I WONDER IF 518 I CAN READ THIS BACK? 519 ============================ 520 YEP. THE MURA 100 WORKS FINE. 521 =============GRIZ============= 522 Tron, I got back from work at about 11 pm and it was too 523 late to call ya. I'll try to call tomorrow from work, but I'll 524 probably be back around the same time so I won't call from home. 525 Got a bunch of new games from Steve... there is a set of term- 526 inating resistors in my interface that make the computer think 527 the joystick is pushed every way at once (they pull the data 528 lines to ground) so I've had to go through most of the games 529 and zap the joystick routines. It's easy though; just search 530 the disk file for a DB 00 (IN A,(0)) and change it to a 531 3E FF (LD A,0FFH). Once you get started it's almost automatic. 532 Hey, I should build a DO file to do all the busywork for me... 533 Anyway, call ya later. 534 --------------------------------ag------------------------- 535 **************************************************************.* 536 537 TO: ADAM TRENT FM: MIKE DAY RE: AMODEM 538 539 I have found a bug which may have been giving you problems, 540 in the routine that waits for the SOH from the sender, 541 change the following: 542 543 RCVSOHE PUSH B 544 MVI B,1 545 CALL RECV 546 POP B 547 JNC RCVSOHE 548 549 LDA RSENDBF 550 CALL SEND 551 552 To look like this: 553 554 RCVSOHE LDA RSENDBF 555 CALL SEND 556 557 This eliminates the garbage collection at this point which 558 was gobbling up the SOH so that the receiver never saw it. 559 It has a side benifit of boosting local high speed transfers 560 by at least 4 to 1! The disavantage is that if the sender 561 times out and resends the sector again you will get a buch 562 of garbage but it seems to recover nicely anyway. 563 The above routine occurs in the AMODEMR.ASM file. 564 565 ************************************************************** 566 Andy, 567 When are you going to be free one of these days? Maybe we can 568 swap some games over the modem. Whaddya think? Talk to ya later. 569 570 Tron 571 ---------- 572 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 573 Who will take this challenge? Please don't divulge the answers..... 574 " My darlin' Lil, 575 You just got to get me out of this jail tonight. Bring my horse and 576 tie his reins to the back window; have him pull them bars right off. 577 But don't make a sound 'til then. 578 Trouble is, I don't know which cell I'm in! But here's what I do know 579 about the layout of the jail: 580 There's six cells back here, all in a row, and each one has a high window 581 facin' the back alley. I'm in a cell next to a feller name of Buck. He's 582 on my right as I stand facin' the door of my cell. Don't know if there's 583 anybody in the cell on my other side--that cell's either empty or the 584 feller in there's real quiet-like. 585 Buck's a regular here. He's been fussin' on account of he didn't get his 586 usual corner cell, which is empty right now. He says there's two other 587 fellers in here with us: Jake and Bart. 588 I hear tell this Jake is a real famous desperado. They got him off by 589 himself--nobody next to him. Haven't heard a peep from him the whole time. 590 That other feller, Bart, is a real noisy one, always singin' cowboy 591 songs. 592 They just come to take Jake off to Abilene to stand trial. I leaned my 593 head against the bars and looked down the hall to my right, and caught a 594 glimpse of him. Real mean-lookin'. 595 Please come and get me tonight. Love, Dan" 596 ????? Which of the windows is Dan's? ??????? 597 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ DAVE ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 598 None of them, he doesn't own the jail. 599 ::::::::::::::::::: 600 ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????? 601 GIVE IT TO 'EM' BRUISER. LET EM KNOW WHO AND WHAT 602 IS REAL CLEAN FUN....... 603 +}+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 604 DAN IS IN THE 4TH CELL FROM THE LEFT, AS YOU FACE THE WINDOWS 605 FROM THE OUTSIDE. 606 ======================GRIZ======================-=========== 607 try the 2nd cell from the left as you face the windows from the outside 608 _________Grey ghost_____________________________________ 609 HELP 610 611 612  613 2 614 8 615 HELP 616 Dan is in the left corner cell as you face the windows. He didn't 617 realize that there is no cell on his left. 618 ########################### Buck Rogers, 21st Century Kid ############ 619 Anyone for nasty comments? This is the typical 620 'puzzle freaks delight', but is unfortunately full of holes: there are 621 several possible answers, as not enough data is given, but a lot is 622 assumed. The cells are in a line, but is the line straight? not said. 623 Did you ASSUME that the corner cell that Buck isn't in means he isn't 624 in a corner cell? There may be 2 corners. Or more cells around the corner. 625 But let's not quibble, the story line won't cut anyway, no horse can 626 pull out jail bars with his reins. 627 .... well, got back on. Did Ma Bell pull a sneaky? 628 How many other answers are coming in? I think there are several. 629 One line left?? how can we answer in one line??????bad, very B.A.D.....