LIST FILE ON MARGIN IS 80 STATUS: ALL ALLOWED NUMBER OF LINES: 606 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 *********************** REMVOED: 26 JUN 83 ************************** 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 A VIRGIN DISK! I CAN'T STAND IT. TAKE THAT. AND THAT!!!! 26 Help! Did somebody move Neptune and Pluto ? I keep THINKING I hear 27 Neptune labeled as the most distant of our solar system. Just when 28 did they, and who is they, change things? Dave 29 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 30 Neptune has been the farthest out planet for some time. Pluto has a very 31 eccentric orbit, and for the next 30 or so years will be inside the 32 orbit of Neptune. Pluto has, in fact, such a strange orbit, and is so 33 small, that it is often believed to be an escaped moon of neptune (or 34 something, who knows at 4.6 bilion miles.) 35 It's cold out there! About 5K or so. (That K is 'Kelvin', or degrees above 36 absolute zero, not 1024) BRRRR. Well, since this is summer, maybe a 37 little warmer, maybe 6K. That's hot. Pant, pant. 38 .................................................ouch................ 39 To fit in with the ongoing argument about what our language is, and means, 40 please note that there is no such thing as "Kelvin degrees"; the correct 41 term is "Kelvin" (only). 42 ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,B.A.D.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, 43 I HOPE YOU ARE ALL AS GLAD AS I AM, THAT ITS FRIDAY. 44 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 45 If those are the Neptunal facts, I thank you, ouch. I wonder if all of 46 my 5th grade science learnin' is subject to other eccentricities! If this 47 orbit had shown up way back when, would Mickey's dog have been Neptune? 48 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 49 GOT SKIPPED TIL I FINALLY LOOKED AT THR SCREEN AND REALIZED THE 50 DISK WAS FULL.WAS INTERESTED IN THE STATEMENTS MADE BY A FEW ABOUT 51 CROSSING THEIR LEGS-THIS IS SOMETHING MANY PEOPLE DO AND I HAVEN`T 52 EXPERIENCED TO MANY PROBLEMS WHEN IN THIS SPOT-I DON`T RELATE IT 53 TO ANYTHING, BUT I CAN RELATE TO CRYING IN SITUATIONS THAT REALLY 54 EFFECT ME AND I CRY SOMETIMES-I'VE SEEN IT BOTHER PEOPLE BUT ALL 55 I CAN SAY IS THAT IT'S A HUMAN CONDITION TOO MANY WANT TO PUSH A 56 SIDE-I'VE GROWN SO MUCH BY BEING HUMAN-ONE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MACHO 57 TO FEEL AND REACT----IT'S HUMAN NATURE WITH NO HOLDS............... 58 ***************************************************O.J.KID.******** 59 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 60 It is socially acceptable for man AND women to cross their legs, as 61 long as it is done correctly. Women cross their legs by resting one knee 62 on the other. (The inside of one knee touching the top of the other). Men 63 cross their legs by resting the side of the shin on the other thigh. 64 Although these are not as much hard-set rules as txey used be, many 65 people still consider it offensively feminine for a man to cross his legs 66 wrong. Txese are the same people who somehow relate how a woman crosses 67 her legs with her sexual promiscuity. 68 Even though people are getting more reasonable about allowing men to 69 be human, crying is still a general no-no. It's almost never you'll see a 70 "man" crying in public. 71 72 73 I think the eccentricity of Pluto's orbit is about equal to the 74 eccentricity of some of my friends. 75 Actually, there was a serious scientific paper written on pluto that 76 suggested it was an intergalactic transportation device left by a 77 superior race (the Russians?)! 78 The paper stood valid for over a decade, until someone finally(!) found 79 it's fault! 80 It seems the paper was based on the fact that mass readings of Pluto 81 showed it being 55 times the weight of water. That's only possible if the 82 thing was a neutron star or a blackhole. 83 Note: the densest known material, osmium, is only 22 times the weight 84 of water. 85 Well, they later found that pluto had a moon, and THAT was where the e 86 extra weight came from. Recent calculations of mass show pluto to be 1.5 87 times the weight of water. (As for comparison, txe Earth is 5.5 times.) 88 Akonis 89 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 90 ********************************************************************** 91 What is remarkable about the following sentence? 92 I am not very happy acting pleased whenever prominent 93 scientists overmagnify intellectual enlightenment. 94 ************* CISTOP MIKEY **** 12:03AM ****** 18 JUN 83 ************* 95 Easy, Mikey: all of the words are spelled right! 96 CHUCKLE CHUCKLE CHORTLE CHUCKLE SNORT CHORTLE...CHUCKLE...GRIN... 97 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 98 Not only that, each word has exactly one more letter than the word 99 that preceeds it. Analog Alan 100 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} 101 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%'%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 102 DEAR TRON-I AM THE AMAZON THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT. I AM 6 FT TALL AND 103 VERY STRONG. SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. MY NAME IS SABRA AND 104 MEANS "THE BEAUTIFUL ONE" OR "BORN OF THE LAND". SABRA IS ISRALIAN 105 AND THERE IS A GROUP OF WOMEN NAMED "SABRAS" THEY GO AROUND KILLING 106 16 YEAR OLD COMMPUTER OPERATORS. 107 WHAT TYPE OF SOFTWARE DO YOU PRODUCE? I AM REALLY INTERESTED 108 IN COMMPUTERS. COULD YOU TELL ME SOME MORE INFORMATION ABOUT YOUR 109 SOFTWARE. COULD YOU GIVE ME YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBER? PLEASE? 110 SO WHAT IS IT LIKE AT CORBETT HIGH SCHOOL? I USED TO GO TO 111 WILSON HIGH BUT I AM MOVING TO CALIFORNIA. 112 I HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION, DOES YOUR SOFTWARE TURN INTO 113 HARDWARE??????????????///////////SINCERLY, SABRA, THE AMAZON. 114 6/18/83 115 *************************************************************** 116 All spelled right... ha ha I will have to remember to be more 117 carefull next time. 118 ********** CISTOP MIKEY **** 18 JUN 83 ****** 10:48AM ********** 119 To: Sabra the Amazon From: Tron Re: Software 120 Sorry, those women can't come around killing me because I 121 am 14. Wouldn't it be against their religon or something? 122 I design and write software for ALL TRS-80 Computers. I 123 own a Model I with 48k, Level II 3 cassette recorders and a 124 direct connect modem I. I am mainly interested in timesharing 125 mainframes such as UNIX. I am currently writing a UNIX simulator 126 at the moment. It has a basic interpreter built into it and 127 it is about the most pitiful thing you ever did see! Man it's slow! 128 Also, do I know you? and why are you interested in what kind 129 of software I produce? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything 130 but I am truly curious. Corbett High School is so old that the 131 thing is about to fall apart. You pull a staple out of the wall 132 and the wall falls over. See how cheap they are? It has survived 133 through 4 arsonizings and smells like the city sewer. I'd much 134 rather go back to Parkrose or Columbia High. By the way, my phone 135 number is 695-5762. Why do you want it? Again, I'm just curious. 136 137 Tron 138 P.S. What kind of terminal are you using? 139 ---------- 140 DEAR TRON, 141 I AM USING A SIEGLER TERMINAL AND A TEKRONIX 4931 PHONE MODEM. 142 NO I DO NOT KNOW YOU, SOME FRIENDS WERE TELLING ME ABOUT YOUR SOFTWARE, 143 I WAS ALSO JUST CURIOUS. LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT MYSELF, I AM 16. 144 6FT TALL, 165 POUNDS, BUT NO FAT ON THIS BODY. I LIKE COMPUTERS, HORSE- 145 BACK RIDING, SOFTBALL, SWIMMING, AND HORSERACING. I HAVE BLUE EYES, BROWN 146 HAIR,MEDIUM LENGTH,FRECKLES, AND LONG LEGS. WHAT KIND OF MUSIC DO YOU LIKE? 147 I LIKE JUDAS PREIST, VAN HALEN, SCORPIONS, IRON MADIEN, DEF LEPPARD, AND 148 DAVID BOWIE. JUST BEING CURIOUS. 149 TELL ME WHAT KIND OF PROGRAMS YOU HAVE PRODUCED. I HAVE NEVER 150 PROGRAMED A COMPUTER BEFORE BUT I WOULD LIKE TO LEARN. BY THE WAY WHAT 151 IS YOUR REAL NAME? MINE AS I SAID IS SABRA. IT WAS ON MY BIRTH CERTIFICATE, 152 I GUESS MY MOM WAS STILL DELIRIOUS FROM THE ANISTESIA WHEN SHE NAMED ME. 153 I DONT MEAN TO SOUND LIKE AN AMETUER BUT HOW IS IT THAT YOU SEEM TO 154 BE SO (THIS IS HOW THEY SAY IT IN FLORIDA) BUFFED. IF YOU REALLY KNOW YOUR 155 STUFF GIVE ME A SIGN. 156 SINCERLY, 157 SABRA, THE AMAZON. 158 6/18/83 159 160 P.S. DO YOU HAVE A GIRLFRIEND? 161 P.S.S. THE AMAZONS ARE FIERCE WARRIORS WHO HAVE USED MEN AS SLAVES FOR 162 A LONG TIME. AND IF THE MEN DISOBEYED THEM THEY WERE KILLED. OBVIOSLY 163 KILLING IS NOT AGAINST THEIR RELIGION. BUT THAT IS THE WAY IT GOES. 164 HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE SITUATION? MYSELF I ESPECT MY MEN TO 165 BE OBEDINT.I LOVE TO EXPERIMINT. AND NO GAMES INTENDED. 166 TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, MY NAME IS SABRA THE AMAZON, AND I WOULD LIKE 167 TO CONVERSE WITH SOMEONE. JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CONVERSING. I AM WILLING 168 TO TALK TO ANYONE WHO IS WILLING TO TALK TO ME. 169 SINCERLY, 170 SABRA THE AMAZON 171 6/18/83 172 DOES ANYONE OUT THERE KNOW OF ANYONE THAT REPAIRS OLD 173 CLOCKS---------------------------------6/18/83--------- 174 ---------- 175 To: Sabra The Amazon From: Tron Re: Me 176 177 No, I don't have a girlfriend at the moment. I like just 178 a little hard rock. I used to like Judas Priest but got sick 179 of them because KGON crammed their songs. I do like Def Leopard 180 and the Scorpions. Their music has something special in them. 181 Don't ask me what but they just do. I listen to KMJK. The only 182 reason I do is that their songs they play are good. I do like 183 (don't laugh) Devo, Rush, Flock of Seagulls, Men At Work, and 184 Journey. I don'T care for real hard rock but I like much more 185 mellower kind of music. I pick my songs VERY carefully. Have 186 you heard the song called "CARS" by Gary Numan? It's pretty 187 good I think. My real name is Chris Bradley. By the way, who 188 told you about my programming and stuff? I have programmed an 189 adventure called simply "CRIME ADVENTURE". I sold it for $350 190 bucks. I also have made a machine language game called "PESKY". 191 Tell me, are you using you're own terminal or someone elses? 192 Your name is very original. I had a friend named SODAPOP. I 193 admire people with interesting names. One of my main specialties 194 are machine language games. My music is selected by sounds 195 and intriging lyrics. One thing I like about DEVO is their entire 196 music (except drums) is taken up by Synthesizers. My interests 197 include Horses, Snow skiing, Swimming, Skating (roller) and 198 Biking. I am 5'6" tall and weigh 125 pounds. I have Brownish- 199 Blonde hair with eyes that have a combonation of Grey, Blue 200 and Green. I also like Video Games. Here are my favorites: 201 Tron, Donkey Kong, Galaga, Zaxxon (my favorite), Joust, Xevious 202 and Burger Time. Where do you live? What grade are you in? 203 My software is entirely devoted to interest to the users. By 204 the way, I play a number of insturments. I play Piano, Drums, 205 Guitar, Violin and A little Trumpet. Tell me more about yourself. 206 207 208 Tron 209 ---------- 210 P.S. I respect others religon and don't try to stop them or make 211 any arguments about what they and I believe. I don't talk about 212 religion because you might get into fights or big arguments. 213 I keep most of my opinions to myself but sometimes some of them 214 slip out. I must respect the way the Ladies treat the Men in 215 the Amozonian countries. I live MUCH differently thatn that. I 216 must say that if a couple comes together, none of them rules. 217 They are in this marriage for togetherness and I don't think 218 that Men should rule Women and Vice Versa. 219 220 221 (Me blabbing again) Tron 222 ---------- 223 Sabra, you were just kidding about the Amazons going around 224 killing 16-year olds using computers, weren't you? 225 By the way, you could say that I know my stuff when I am talking 226 about computer. 5 years working with every micro I ever seen 227 is pretty good. I got my computer when I was 9. I am also very 228 strong. I can lift 2000 pounds (yes, 2000 pounds) with my legs 229 and can lift 200 with my arms. I also have an I.Q. of 157. Pretty 230 good huh? 231 232 Tron 233 ---------- 238 _____________________________________________________________________ 239 Just who would WANT to talk to a 16 yr old female (child)?????? 240 ___________Max Grody________________________________________________ 241 A 14 year old kid. 242 ---------- 243 Sabra, I think that I'd be obedient just as much or even more 244 than the person obeys me. 245 246 Tron 247 ---------- 248 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 249 OK Sabra, someone else to talk to has finally 250 logged on to this silly system. I'm a 19 year 251 old male, 5'11, 175, blue eyes, light brown 252 hair, programmer/hardware specialist extraordinaire, 253 long-distance runner, cycler, pilot, and keyboard 254 musician. Went to Cleveland High '82, now I'm 255 at U of Washington in Seattle. Home for the 256 summer, I'm working at Radio Shack on SE Woodstock. 257 I have a 48K model I TRS-80 with one (only 258 one!) disk drive, a LYNX modem, and lotsa neat 259 home-made add-ons. I know many programming 260 languages, like BASIC, Pascal, C, FORTRAN, LISP, 261 and various assembly languages. 262 (Hmmm, what else can I tell you?) 263 --but of course! Name is Andy. Phone is 264 774-xxxx... call me up sometime! 265 -a- 266 [Of course, you can always type...] 267 [][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][][] 268 Maybe this will end the arguments about whether women are better 269 than men; if you say anything too bad Sabra the Amazon will zap 270 your computer, or if you're real vulgar zap you too. So keep it 271 clean on here, it's your life. 272 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>better get off while the getting is good>>>>>> 273 ......... 274 Does anybody know how to tell a very nice, but very PO'd cat that 275 the pills I jam down her throat are good for her? She doesn't trust 276 me anymore. 277 278 279 280 281 help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 282 Yeah, grind 'em up and mix it with her food. It works! 283 ............................................ 284 My cat will eat anything coated or hidden in cottage cheese or peanut 285 butter. He's also partial to bear paws and McChicken patties. Slip 286 your pills into one of these maybe. 287 ---------- 288 Do you know what my cat eats? His favorite delecacy is Crepe 289 Ala BEE with a light pasting of Slug. I tell you, my cat is 290 WEIRD!!! 291 Hey andy, where do you live? Got any programs you wanna trade? 292 If so, leave a message on here. 293 294 295 Tron 296 ---------- 297 P.S. I also own a TRS-80 Model I with 48k without a disk drive. 298 I don't believe this! I leave the system for just a few days and I come back 299 and read about some immature 14 year old kid who lies 80% of the time talking 300 to some strange 16 year old who weighs 165 lbs and says none of it is fat! 301 Then some 19 year old(you would think by that age they would know better) 302 gets on and puts his physical attributes and even a phone number! Jeeze 303 what is the world coming too? Is it to be taken over by lie through your teeth 304 munchkins who are about as computer literate as some of the primates 305 at the oregon health science center? Please let us return this BBS to the 306 insanity that graced its magnetic media before all these youngters starting 307 logging on and messing with the traditional values of BWMS. Why doesn't some 308 one invent a hardware device that will restrict entry to those only 309 over the age of 21. That would get rid of most of the riffraff. 310 And would someone tell these kids to take their acne cream and get off the 311 system!?! 312 313 How about we all talk about Computer Stores? 314 The Alternative Source at 4th and Lincoln which just opened up is just 315 closing down.... 316 The BYTE Shop is opening a new store at the east end of the Stark/Washington 317 two-way. 318 Texas Instruments dropped $100,000,000.00 in the home computer business last 319 quarter, does anyone out there own one? Anyone know someone who owns one? 320 321 the Phantom Glitch 322 323 0000000000000000000000000000000000060190830000000000000000000000000000000 324 DOES ANYONE CARE?! 325 ................................... 326 Tron, I live right by Reed College. I've got some neat 327 communications software if you're interested. Most of 328 my stuff is written in Z-80 Assembler and C. See phone # 329 a few lines back and give me a call sometime. (evenings, 330 usually - I keep WEIRD hours.) 331 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 332 To whom it may concern; the individual who entered comments 333 regarding the nature of some of the younger users on this 334 system: remember, even you were young once. Isn't one of 335 the functions of a bulletin board (is this system one?) to 336 meet people you have not met before? I don't know about 337 the people you referred to in your message, but I like to 338 make as many friends as possible...I only live once and 339 may as well do it right. 340 Q. 341 |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 346 *************************************************** 347 COME ON PEOPLE, SETTLE DOWN! YOU'R ALL LOWERING THE 348 AVERAGE IQ LEVEL OF THIS SYSTEM WITH YOUR ACCUSATIONS. 349 LORD KNOWS ITS LOW ENOUGH AS IT IS WITHOUT YOU 350 HELPING IT ALONG. 351 ** CISTOP MIKEY **** 19 JUN 83 *** 5:00PM ************ 352 To the unsultive (im)mature (so called) adult above: 353 For your information, we don't have acne! Ever heard of a Zit 354 Zapper? Its like a spray gun except it's violent. 355 Come on, don't be so insultive (not inslutive like before) to 356 your younger youth group! We are your future; like it or not. We 357 couldn't possibly screw this world up as much as you have! By 358 the way, I'm not lying 80% of the time! No lies at all! When I 359 talk computers, I know darn well what I am talking about and 360 no one puts me down for it (if you know what I mean). I don't 361 lie (well, Not often) and especially not on a bulletin board 362 system. So, tighten up! 363 364 Tron 365 P.S. I'm just kidding if you are. 366 ---------- 367 To: Andy From: Tron Re: Swapping programs 368 369 Andy, 370 Do you have a C compiler? If so, does it need disk? Do you 371 have a compiler or interpreter for the TRS-80 Model I without 372 disks? I have the new version of the Editor/Assembler. I also 373 have a LOT of games. About 700 of them to be exact. My software 374 library is FILLED with anything from space wars to bookeeping 375 programs. I have SCRIPSIT, SUPER NOVA, ROBOT ATTACk (it talks 376 without a voice synthesizer), Galaxy INVASION, and may others. 377 To list them all would fill up 100 of mikeys_disks. I'm mainly 378 interested in other languages. I'll be sure to give you a call. 379 By the way, I'm 14 and live in Corbett. I'll be a freshman this 380 year. 381 382 383 Tron 384 ---------- 385 Tron, the C compiler I use is part of Reed College's UNIX 386 system. The Editor/Assembler I use came with my NEWDOS80 387 and is the standard Radio Shack program with disk I/O and 388 a few other goodies. I guess I can't beat you in the games 389 department, I've only got a few, but ROBOT ATTACK, GALAXY 390 INVASION, ARMORED PATROL, COSMIC FIGHTER, ATTACK FORCE, 391 and SUPER NOVA are among them. (Love those Big Five games!) 392 Have you visited Blackjack Fireworks yet? Amazing 393 place, that. They won't let Washington residents in until 394 June 28th. They have bags of 40 M-80's (no, not Z-80's!) 395 for $18. A gross of bottle rockets: $6. Brick of 2000 396 Black Cat firecrackers: $20. Not bad stuff! I just 397 got back about an hour ago. 398 Anyway... give me a call soon. 399 -ag- 400 401 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 402 ps: What kind of term program are you using? -ag- 403 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 404 Gee, I turned my zit zapper into a solder sucker ages ago.. 405 It works about as well sucking solder as it did zits. 406 As the saying goes.. it sucks........ 407 (Sorry 'bout that, I couldn't resist... or was that etch?...) 408 *** a very confused CISTOP MIKEY *** 1:30AM *** 20 JUN 83 ****** 409 ---------- 410 To: Andy From: Tron Re: Programs 411 Do you have a subscription to 80-MICRO? If not, I could probably 412 lend you some issues so you could get some programs and utilites 413 out of them. By the way, what kind of modem do you have? Do you 414 have BEDLAM, RAAKA-TU or PYRAMID? If not, maybe we could trade 415 those. Also I have about 30 issues of CLOAD magazine. I have 416 also written a tape I/O system that increases tape speed to 417 1800 baud. No kidding, 1800 baud without hardware modification 418 unless you have that XRX mod installed. When you power up, does 419 your computer say "MEMORY SIZE? _" or "MEM SIZE? _"? The tape 420 I/O only works with the "MEM SIZE" version. Well, I'll call ya 421 later. 422 423 424 Tron 425 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 426 Tron, I have a subscription to 80-MICRO and one of these 427 days I'm gonna go through all my back issues and enter all 428 those neat programs and utilities I've been meaning to get... 429 I have BEDLAM on cassette somewhere, and PYRAMID too. 430 RAAKA-TU I don't have. And, my Trash is about four years 431 old, so it says "MEMORY SIZE? _". How come the tape I/O 432 only works with the new version? I know the ROM calls are 433 different, but not that much... are they? I haven't used 434 my tape in a long time. (ahh... memories! (4116's?) 435 -ag- 436 PS: I'm working tonight at Clackamas Town Center, back 437 around 9:30 or so if ya wanna call. 438 Oh yeah. I have a LYNX direct-connect 300-baud modem, 439 with an autodialer I added. Oh yeah again: I thought of 440 writing a tape-copying utility that will copy ANYTHING, 441 even "protected" tapes. It's ridiculously easy... 442 anyway, when a tape error is encountered, instead of the 443 usual "C*" in the corner of the screen, it says: 444 TAPE ERROR: BUY A DISK, DUMMY! 445 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 446 To: Andy From: Tron Re: My terminal program 447 448 My terminal program consists of an Uploader/Downloader save 449 to tape/retrieve to tape. It uses the SWTYM system. It also 450 allows you to press key when you are waiting for another 451 byte to come in from tape. It's a homebrew terminal program 452 and I intend to sell it to 80-MICRO. The reason I wrote my own 453 is that I didn't want to pay $60 for a program that would 454 operate my modem and secondly, my friends told me to wait and 455 get a disk. In effect, I totally disobeyd them. What kind of 456 disk drive do you have? How much did you pay for a plain old 457 set of 16k memories (4116's)? Could you call me instead? I kind 458 of feel weird calling new people and am afraid to call people 459 at late hours. Just trying not to make enemies. Why don't you 460 call me anytime between 10:00am and 8:30pm. My phone number 461 is 695-xxxx. Also, my name is Chris Bradley. Talk to ya! 462 463 Tron 465 P.S. Call 245-xxxx with your computer. When the computer gives 466 you a carrier detect, press until you get a response. 467 Let's talk on that line instead. 468 ---------- 469 Andy? --Andy Gillcrist? 470 That was really not a nice trick! 471 Not that it did you any good (Atari software only runs on Atari's) 472 *********AMIGO-SUNDAY*********************************************** 473 Was that nasty note back there simply NV, or is somebody scared of 474 being replaced? (Don't worry, a computer will eventually. 475 I tried mixing the pills with Sarah's food, and she barfed it all up. 476 I can't use peanut butter, or Fang will eat it instead. 477 478 With all the talk on this system, I'm almost afraid I know what "core" 479 is. (I've even used it!) In what industry can you be obsolete (totally) 480 in less than 10 years?? 481 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>B.A.D.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 482 MEOW 483 ////// 484 ---------- 485 Here's the sure-fire way to get you're cat to eat pills! If he/ 486 she/(it) has milk or water, let it disolve into the water. When 487 the cat drinks it, PRESTO! Kitty eat pill! 488 489 Tron 490 ---------- 491 To: Andy From: Tron Re: Other software 492 493 Andy, 494 I also have DEFENSE COMMAND. Do you have ELIMINATOR or 495 PENETRATOR? Also, you mentioned something about wanting to make 496 a program that copies "uncopiable programs"? I am EXTREMELY 497 farmiliar with the TRS-80 Model I's tape I/O system. MY MISTAKE! 498 I GOOFED! Yes, my terminal program DOES work with the old TRS-80's 499 tape I/O. That's funny, I got my computer 5 years ago and I 500 get "MEM SIZE ?" instead. I also have rewritten my computer's 501 keyboard, video and tape drivers. I also like adding many more 502 commands than my computer likes. I have written TONS of utility 503 programs including a memory test that takes 10 hours; in machine 504 language. It pokes every value 0-255 into every single memory 505 location (not rom) twice. It thoroughly tests memory. If you 506 are interested in any of this stuff, give me a call from 10:00am 507 to 8:30pm at 695-xxxx. Thanks...... 508 509 Tron 510 ---------- 511 H E L L O ! ! 512 Tron, 513 Got back late from work, so didn't have time to call. 514 Tomorrow I'm off, so I'll call 245-xxxx at, say, 11:00 or 515 so. (morning.) 516 I don't have either DEFENSE COMMAND or ELIMINATOR. 517 PENETRATOR either, but I've glimpsed that one from over 518 a friend's shoulder, when I can pull him far enough away 519 from the keyboard to see. 520 You really sound like you know what you're doing 521 with these here computers. I never really got into 522 tape routines that much becase I always thought I was 523 going to buy a disk system in a few weeks. (it actually 524 took two years, but who's counting?) I have ONE ss/sd 525 45-track five-inch drive (Tandon). It's only supposed 526 to go 40 tracks, but I have a good data seperator in my 527 interface. I heard some people saying they got their 528 drive heads to step farther in, so I tried it, and behold! 529 45 tracks, 10 more grans of storage. (Hey, with one 530 single density disk, you need all the space you can get!) 531 If you want to mess with it, I'll load my host program 532 tomorrow and see what I can come up with. Maybe I can send 533 you a copy of MEGATERM, my term program (unfinished yet, 534 no disk I/O, but it's getting there. No RS232 config- 535 uration yet, either, but who needs that often?) 536 Bedtime... talk tomorrow! 537 -ag- 538 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 539 To the AMIGO sysop: I know it was a dirty trick, but 540 ike converting software between computers. Besides, 541 I just wondered if it would work. :-) 542 -ag- 543 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 544 WHATS THIS!!! S&M AND BONDAGE BETWEEN TEENAGERS?????? I KNOW THE WORLD IS IN SAD 545 SHAPE BUT THIS IS RIDICULOUS!!! 546 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$21JUN83 - 1814$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 547 To: Mike Day Fm: Adam Trent Re: AMODEM 548 Hi Mike, Continuing to find AMODEM very useful. I thought I would 549 mention some problems I had with it in case you haven't heard of such 550 elsewhere--are you still looking for bugs? Anyway I've used it with 551 no noticeable problems (as now) on 300 baud modems. But then I tried 552 using it for transfer between a 2.5 MHz KAYPRO II and a 4MHz CCS 2200 553 at 9600 baud. When I first tried this at 19200 baud I experienced 554 problems. I dropped the baud rate to 9600 and fixed my INITMOD routine 555 so it wasn't changing the baud on me (back to 300!). I was doing a 556 quick one-shot transfer that day and after these fixes it worked for 557 the transfer. Hadn't done any other 9600 straight RS232 transfers till 558 recently. At which time nothing worked. I know now that things worked 559 the first time because I had reset the CCS and re-entered AMODEM. I 560 can transfer one file (BATCH off) if I reset the CCS and re-enter 561 AMODEM. If I stay in AMODEM and try another file transfer (fm CCS to 562 KAYPRO), I get a variety of Errors, depending on whether I start the 563 receive or the send first. Sorry, I didn't take good notes, but I 564 believe one such case was: 565 Slow Receiver: 566 FILE OPEN, READY TO RECEIVE 567 AWAITING # XXX * 568 and then "++ TIMEOUT ON ACK ++" 569 Fast Sender: 570 would show "++ TIMEOUT ON NAK ++" 571 Both AMODEMs would then cycle with these timeouts 10 times and return 572 to command prompt. I hope I remember this right. Anyway I started with 573 a shotgun approach based on a wild theory that the slow receiver (2.5Mhz) 574 was gobbling up the NAKs from the fast sender (4Mhz) and then trying to 575 receive the NAK it had just gobbled. It's a strange kind of interlock 576 (deadly interlock as opposed to deadly embrace) that doesn't show up 577 if the two processor speeds are close to the same. I reassembled 578 AMODEM on the KAYPRO since I had the source there--I deleted 579 "CALL GARBAGE" in the SENDFIL, GETNAK, GETACK, AND SENDNAK routines. 580 It works like greased lighting with the cosmetic deficit of apparently 581 2-bytes of garbage characters at the end of a send from XMODEM on the 582 Bv RCPM. I should (but haven't yet) go back and find exactly which 583 CALL GARBAGE was the culprit. Just wanted to pass this experience 584 on to you if you haven't encountered this before. Hope it may help 585 you to make AMODEM even better. 21jun83 - Adam Trent 586 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 587 To Tron: If you're into languages, CHECK OUT FORTH!!! 588 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 589 To: Adam Trent Fm: Mike Day 590 Thanks for the info! Yes I can see the problem. No, I never heard of 591 it before you mentioned it. When I wrote the Garbage routine to fix 592 a problem in interrupt machines which buffer up lots of characters 593 it was intended to clean them out. Thus I wrote the garbage routine 594 to collect data from the usart (or port) until the status went away. 595 It seems that if you are right on the edge though the status doesn't 596 go away (if I read what you are saying correctly). hmm.. This could be 597 a bit tricky to fix. 598 //////////////////////////////////// 599 I can't mix those pills with anything: they tast AWFUL!!!!! @$%^&*!! 600 If Sara gets even a trace on her tongue on the way down, its gag, spit, 601 barf, drool, yuck. One pill ruins a whole can of her favorite flavor. 602 Even Fang won't eat it, and he'll eat anything. I'll have to save a 603 couple of 'em to put on thing they chew on. I did clip her claws, though, 604 (only 4 fingers left to type with after last night.) Better than flash 605 bulbs, one rattle of the pill bottle and she's GONE. 606 Any better suggestions?????????????????????????????B.A.D.