NUMBER OF LINES: 629 1 If you are in need of help, you need but ask.... 2 ************************ REMOVED: 16 MAY 83 ************************ 3 Welcome to BWMS (BackWater Message System) Mike Day System operator 4 ************************************************************ 5 GENERAL DISCLAIMER: BWMS IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY INFORMATION PLACED ON 6 THIS SYSTEM. 7 BWMS was created as an electronic bill board. BWMS is a privatly owned 8 and operated system which is currently open for use by the general public. 9 No restrictions are placed on the use of the system. 10 It is intended that the system be normally used for messages and 11 advertisments by the users. As the system is privatly owned, I retain the 12 right to remove any and all messages which I may find offensive 13 to me. Additionally because of the limited size of the system, it will be 14 periodically purged of older messages. (only 629 lines of data can be saved) 15 The saved information will be cycled to drive 'B' while the information on 16 drive 'B' will be archived, and a fresh disk will be installed in drive 'A'. 17 To leave a message, type 'ENTER' and use ctrl/C or break to get out 18 of the enter mode. The message is automaticly stored. 19 If after entering the message you find you made a mistake, 20 use the replace command to replace the line. 21 To exit from the system, type 'OFF' then hang up. 22 Type 'HELP' to see other commands that are available on the system. 23 ======================================== 24 25 SINCE B.A.D. DID A REASONABLE JOB OF DESCRIBING HOW YOU CAN COMMUNICATE 26 AT 600 BAUD OVER A 300 BAUD MODEM, (SEE DRIVE 'B') I WILL FORGO MY 27 RANT OF THAT ASPECT. (UNLESS OF COURSE I GET CALLS TO DO SO....) 28 *** CISTOP MIKEY THE BWMS MAN ******** 26 APR 83 ******************** 29 THIS IS A VERY GOOD SYSTEM . I HOPE ITS AROUND FOR A LONG TIME 30 I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO READ ANY MEASAGES FROM THIS 31 SYSTEM. CAN YOU HELP ME? 32 ********************** 33 Answer to cry for help above: 34 This system most strongly resembles a Cuisinart. All the messages 35 get mooshed up together, butted up against each other. It is far more 36 anonymous, indeed it is closer to a true 'electronic bulletin board' than 37 the systems with similar functions. 38 So jump right in, the water's fine. No comment is too off-the-wall, 39 no idea is too looney (if you could see some of the backup disks, you'd 40 know what I mean). 41 The average user of this system is happiest discussing politics, 42 religion, modems and baud rates, programming languages, and microprocessor 43 fundamentals. I don't know which of these topics is the most controversial.;, 44 but make a strong comment on any or all and most likely the electronic s**t 45 will begin to fly. 46 ************************ 47 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 48 LIKE HI! 49 JUST THOUGHT I WOULD TAKE THIS TIME TO LIKE HUG YOUR FACE! 50 I AM LIKE TOTALLY LIKE ENTHRALLED WITH LIKE ALL THE LIKE DATA ON THE 51 TOTALLY MAXIMAL SYSTEM!!! GAG ME WITH INFO!!! 52 TOTALLY LATER, 53 THE VAL GAL 54 &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&& 55 56 There are often severe problems associated with using telephone modems 57 on radio circuits (HF). Phone modems are set up for a circuit that changes 58 level minimally or at least very slowly. This is certainly far from the 59 case on any HF circuit using the ionosphere for propogation. There is 60 seldom any significant interference on the telephone, nor is there usually 61 the very pronounced multipath problems with two nearly equal signals 62 arriving with considerable delay between them. (How would you like to 63 try to decide between two signals with one sending '1' and the other a 64 '0' at the same time?) 65 These are some of the reasons that most HF radio systems run at slow 66 data rates (74.2 baud is FAST!). It is also why Baudot codes are used 67 (only five bits per character gives more characters per second with 68 the same baud). 69 Regarding AFSK (or even APSK), there is a significant S/N penalty 70 compared to direct FSK or direct PSK when using standard AM or FM with 71 full carrier. You can recover the penalty by using higher transmitter 72 power if you aren't bothered by the cost (or the law!). Using SSBSC 73 is really just a way of translating the audio signal directly to a 74 higher frequency, so it works just fine for data transmission, if 75 you ignore the other problems that mother nature throws at you... 76 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{}{} 27 Apr 83 PM {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} 77 There is an even better reason why baudot is common: up until very recently 78 it was illegal for hams to use ascii, so it is still new. The slow rates 79 are more the result of cheap, obsolete equipment, and is rapidly changing. 80 But, as you say, radio is different. Or is it? There are bulletin boards 81 on the 2 meter band, just like on landline. 82 I see the Val Gal is back; greetings and lets hear more of it. 83 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~B.A.D.~~~~~~~APR 27~~~~~~~~ 84 I have seen a lot of AFSK stuff running around on the 2 meter bands, 85 as well as others in that vicinity. Also it is not all data transmission 86 as we know it. There is an awfull lot of tone encoding going on for 87 repeater access and other restricted things. These signals are being 88 generated by touch tone equipment being thrown out as AFSK on FM bands. 89 Why? because its cheap and available and it works. It has nothing to do 90 with whether it is the best engineering way to do it (especially since 91 it isn't!) You probably won't see much high speed stuff on the HF bands 92 not because it can't be done, but rather because there is not enough 93 space alocated to do it along with all the other trafic down there . 94 Most (if not all) of the lower bands are already taken by voice and CW 95 anyway, and those that are being used by RTTY are far too narrow for 96 any kind of speed no matter what method of modulation you use. 97 The high bands use FM because its all line of sight anyway, so you 98 might as well do an easy way (the other common method is SSB, AM has 99 been falling out of favour because of its increadibly waste of power 100 for almost no signal strength. FM while being nearly as wastefull as 101 AM has a better signal to noise ratio and is perfered over the much 102 more efficient SSB because it is cheaper, and sounds better. SSB sounds 103 like a donald duck routine most of the time because of oscilator drift.) 104 The AFSK is used, because you just feed the signal into the aux input 105 and there is no equipment mods required to get it done as is often the 106 case with FSK or PSK. Remember, ease of implimentation is the prime 107 motivator, not whether it is the most perfect way to do it or not. 108 and AFSK is the easiest method to employ on most existing radio equipment. 109 Actualy, I have found that in most cases the reason given for do something 110 a certain way often has a base as an excuse for doing it the easiest way 112 BORING BORING BORING BORING BORING 113 ....................................................................... 115 And now, for an opposing viewpoint: Please be moderate, VAL GAL. Call 116 B.A.D. on his landline and gag him in his ear. Save us the ignominity of 117 it all, please. HUMBUG 118 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 119 **************************************** 120 ** ** 121 **  HELLO OUT THERE!!! ** 122 **************************************** 123 124 125 126 127 ___________________BEGIN ENTRY_________________________________________ 128 129 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arthur Dent 4/28/83 16:12:00 C QX10<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 130 131 Notice above that I have developed a new type of heading. The format is 132 as follows: 133 134 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~First & last name MM/DD/YY HH:MM:SS M CT~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 135 136 137 Of course we know what your first & last name are (we hope), standard 138 date and time format comes next, and then the message type. To decipher 139 the message type, look below. 140 141 A=Extremly important! Read now. 142 B=Will be of interest to most. 143 C=You can skip this and come back to it. 144 D=Very bland. Nothing of real interest 145 E=Just use 'DO 10'. 146 147 Last but not least, the computer type. For me its QX10, for you it may be: 148 149 TRS=Trs-80 150 APL2=Apple II 151 IBM=IBM PC 152 TERM=A normal terminal (Digital type) 153 OSB1=Osborne 1 154 OTHR=other type 155 156 --------------MESSAGE SEPARATE-------------------------------------- 157 158 In other news: 159 'Disconnection-807 longer up and running. De facto, it does no longer 160 exist! To directly quote one of its sysops "it wasn't fun anymore so 161 we just shut it down". 162 Now doesn't that just take the biscuit! So don't even bother to call. 163 Don't even bother listing it in the local SYSTEM directory. If you 164 wish to see the deceased, its at the Doctors home for no-longer-up- 165 and-running systems. 166 167 And thats the way it is. 168 169 Nostalgically, 170 Arthur Dent 171 172 ______________END MESSAGE____________________________________________ 173 174 |||||||||||||END PAGE|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 175 176 IT'S ONLY AS FUN AS YOU MAKE IT... 177 *** CISTOP MIKEY 28 APR 83 *** (YOU MAY QUOTE ME) ****************** 178 179 180 181 182 183 184 185 I am VERY new here. Will someone tell me how to operate this? 186 I am confused. HELP please!?!?!?!?! 187 188 I get it n 189 I get it n 190 ow. Forget 191 the messag 192 e I left 193 before. 194 Who was that masked man? Why was he so confused? Tune in next 195 week and find out..... 196 ************************ 197 BULL 198 VAL GAL: 199 ARE YOU FOR REAL? I THOUGHT THAT JIVE WENT OUT WITH THE VALLEY 200 FLOODS,LIKE WASHED UP! 201 EVEN FRANK ZAPPA HAS MOVED ON TO BETTER THINGS,NOT TO MENTION 202 THAT MOON IS A OBJECT OF THE PAST. 203 SO WISE UP AND BE ORIGINAL IF THAT IS IF ITS WITH IN YOUR POWER 204 TO DO SO --- GAG! 205 206 ========================================================== 207 FOR SALE: 208 209 1980 VIKING POP UP CAMPER 210 211 . SLEEPS 5 OR 6 212 . PROPANE FURNACE 213 . 3 BURNER RANGE (CAN BE INSTALL ON OUTSIDE AT CAMPSITE 214 . SINK 215 . ICE BOX 216 . PRIVACY CURTAINS 217 . 15 GAL. WATER TANK 218 219 CALL TOM @ 661-xxxx ANYTIME 220 =============================================================== 221 disconnection 807, what in the world wasthat? 222 223 ################################################################ 224 TO SYSTEM OPERATOR************************* 225 HI MIKEY-RECIEVED YOUR PACKAGE-THANK YOU-IT'S 226 ON IT'S WAY-WAS GOING TO SAY THAT IT WAS A BUMMER 227 THAT ONE COULDN'T USE THE WHOLE SHEET OF PAPER 228 TIL I TURNED IT OVER-GOOD USE OF PAPER. 229 .................................... 230 AGREED, HAD SOME PROBLEMS GETTING THE THING DOWN LOADED AS THE 231 MACHINE I WAS USING TO PULL IT OFF WITH DIDN'T LIKE LONG 232 MESSAGES (THAT'S WHY THE *** MSG DONE *** WAS INSERTED EVERY 233 ONCE IN A WHILE. THEN TO COMPOUND MATTERS IT RAN OUT OF PAPER 234 AND I HAD TO SCROUNG UP SOME MORE REAL QUICK LIKE. FINALY TO 235 ADD INSULT TO INJURY, I HAD FORGOT TO TURN OFF THE SAVE FUNCTION 236 AND MEMORY FILLED UP AND I HAD TO CALL THE SYSTEM BACK TO GET 237 THE REST OF THE DISK. GAD, I WOULD HAVE THAT A THING LIKE THAT 238 WOULD HAVE BEEN SOOOO SIMPLE.................... 239 DOG 240 One mention of the better signal to noise ratio of FM propagates a 241 common misconception. For the same signal strength, the S/N on FM is 242 almost no different from AM. The only time that FM gets the improvement 243 is when you use wide deviation (much more than +/- 5 kHz for VF) and 244 when the signal is well above the improvement threshold. At levels 245 below the equivalent FM threshold, AM is actually quieter! The real 246 reason for FM on the mobile communication frequencies is that the 247 apparent audio level is constant, regardless of the signal strength. 248 You can use the good old limiter to provide constant level recovered 249 audio, while AM and AMssbsc requires a very well designed AGC system 250 for level control on receive. 251 For the person that said the only reason that hams don't use high 252 speed modems on HF was the lack of clear bandwidth... I challenge 253 you to send 2400 bps on any HF circuit over 200 miles, regardless 254 of the rules and with negligible QRM. It should only take 3 kHz 255 bandwidth, which isn't so much. Try it on 80 meters around 3600 256 at 11 PM local time; the QRM is minimal. I bet you can't even 257 recover the clock! 258 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} 259 Actually it has been done. admittedly only at 1200 baud, but then 260 that is the fastest 'standard' AFSK modem made. Really, it is quite 261 simple to do . First you do not do SSB this is a major mistake as 262 it corrupts the signal so badly its amazing that voice gets thru 263 let alone data. While the phone company manages to do rather well 264 with SSB, they have to go to some rather expensive extremes to 265 get it done. As it is their main reason for even doing it is to 266 save bandwidth space. As power and uncontroled conditions they can 267 get around. I degress here, sorry. Any way since SSB is out what we 268 have left of the standard methods of modulating is AM or FM. 269 AM is also out because while it is more stable then SSB on the typical 270 transmitter, it is far more suceptible to the type of noises that 271 modems don't like. This leaves us with FM which although is far from 272 perfect it the best we got. The next thing we have to worry about 273 is the modem. We cannot use the 103 type modem, as it is a narrow shift 274 modem, and is suceptible to noise variance. Nor can we use the slightly 275 less common high speed modems such as the bell 201 (2400 baud) modem as 276 these modems use phase shift to encode the data for transmission, and 277 since the HF bands tend to shift the phase of the signal rather heavily 278 this type of encoding is out. If we were to build our own high speed 279 modem that used FSK instead, then we could handle it. finally the modem 280 needs to be a wide shift type FSK modem such as the 202 modem. This 281 reduces the noise interference problem to a minimum. The method of 282 modulating the signal on the FM is not really important, since data 283 signals are constant level there is really no effective difference between 284 AFSK or FSK as we would be transmitting at 100% modulation in either case. 285 As such we used AFSK since it was easier to connect to the radio. 286 Now comes the important part, many hams expect the signal to get thru 287 with no corruption at all. This is a wholly unrealistist attitude, after 288 all if the high speed stuff can't get thru as good a connection as the 289 phone line what makes them think it can get thru the air waves unmolested? 290 As such we use a packet transmission system so as to be able to retransmit 291 those pieces of data that get mangled. Also I might note that while 292 you can get by with only a 3000Hz bandwidth to xmit the 2400 baud signal 293 via SSB, you will need better then 2X the rate to xmit via AM or FM. 294 Them's simply the rules of the game. 295 As a parting comment, I still hold that ease of design is the prime 296 factor in the design of most equipment. This is because engineering 297 time is expensive, and you can't aford to spend months designing a 298 piece of gear that you will only sell a couple hundred of at horribly 299 narrow profit margins. Life doesn't work like that. 300 ..... the exwarior .............................................. 301 I agree with your comments. After all, laziness is a very strong 302 motivating force! And you are certainly right that the standard ham 303 SSB transmitter has neither the required bandwidth nor the necessary 304 linearity to do an adequate job of sending high speed data. The 305 equalization used in the slower synchronous modems (201) usually can 306 only handle the group delay that is typical of a telephone channel, and 307 the narrow transmitter a-n-d receiver filters in ham gear add much more 308 group delay than a transcontinental terrestrial microwave link with all 309 of the required channel filters. 310 High speed FSK or AFSK modems will also have problems with the phase 311 instability of HF paths (2400 bps and up) since there is a duality of 312 the phase and frequency modulation techniques. Even at 1200 bps, the 313 net data rate with packet transmission or other error correction 314 methods will drop off drastically due to numerous retransmissions. It 315 will be true that there is an optimum data rate with error correction 316 that will provide the maximum throughput on a given channel. Either 317 higher or lower data transmission rates will degrade the actual amount 318 of data per unit time. 319 {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} Analog Alan {}{}{} 30 Apr 83 PM {}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{} 320 ************************** 321 Get this: I just read about a new laser diode which has been used to 322 transmit data over an optical fiber at 1G BPS. That's right, 1,000,000,000 323 bits per second, equivalent to about 2 30-volume encyclopedias per second. 324 So don't give me any of this 1200 baud nonsense. 325 ************************** 326 In order to get away from the phase shift problems due to ionosphere 327 fadeing, go to very high data rates, and send in short spurts. I admit 328 this leaves out the 80 meter ham band, but go to somewhat higher freqs 329 and use meteor trail scatter. (It's loaded with fade.) Most of the 330 time you can't use this, but when it's good, it's good; so send a pilot 331 signal from the receiving end, and when this gets through to the sender, 332 he sends a spurt of very fast data. Don't laugh, it works. Standard FSk 333 is still the best way to modulate, don't even bother with audio stuff 334 except very wideband FM. 335 336 Now, for some interesting stuff. WOMEN. In case you haven't figured 337 it out, one of the main reasons why there are no ladies on BWMS, or 338 at least very few, it's because ther is nothing here of interest to 339 them. Sooo. How about something for them, like recipes? 340 341 RHUBARB SHERBET 342 343 3 cups sliced rhubarb (1 lb) 344 1 cup light corn syrup 345 1/2 cup water 346 1/4 cup orange liqueur (or creme de cassis) 347 348 In medium saucepan combine rhubarb, corn syrup, and water; bring to 349 boil, reduce heat and simmer 10 minutes. Let cool, and blend in blender 350 untilk smooth. Add liqueur and a few drops of red food coloring. 351 Pour into 9" round or square flat pan and freeze until firm but not 352 hard. Break into pieces, mash and mix until smooth; refreeze. 353 Makes about 1 quart. 354 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 355 Recipes, huh? Is this stereotyping, or role fixing, maybe? HEY, MIKE: 356 How about a dialogue:  among users: Friendly things once shared with a lady 357 =========================================================================== 358 ----- 359 I just saw all of the nicknames going on, I thought I'd get my two 360 centss worth in. 361 362 363 Pion (as in the particle) 364 ----- 365 ----- 366 HI, I'M KINDA NEW TO THESE BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEMS AND ALL THAT 367 AND I'D LIKE TO FIND ALL OF THE BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEMS THAT ARE 368 AVAILABLE. COULD SOMEONE POST NAMES AND NUMBERS PLEASE? 369 370 371 Pion 372 ----- 373 AM TRYING TO LOCATE A NAVY SURPLUS OAK 374 "CAPTAINS'S BED". IF YOU HAVE ONE FOR SALE OR KNOW IF OR WHERE I CAN GET ONE, 375 PLEASE GIVE "TOM" A CALL AT 253-xxxx. 376 IT HASCOME TO MY ATTENTION THAT MO 377 378 379 IT HAS COME TO MY ATTENTION THAT MOTION IS IMPOSSIBLE. 380 I WAS TOLD THAT TO GO ANY WHERE I HAD MOVE FROM WHERE I WAS 381 TO WHERE I WAS NOT 382 WELL, I AM WHERE I AM I , AND I CANNOT BE WHERE I AM NOT 383 RIGHT?????????????????????????????????????????????>???????? 384 385 OF COURSE IF I WERE TO PLACE MY FOOT IN THE RIVER AND THEN 386 REMOVE IT AND TRY TO PLACE IT IN AGAIN, I COULD NOT BECAUSE 387 THE RIVER WILL HAVE CHANGED BEFOR E I COULD REPLACE MY FOOT 388 IN FACT I CAN'T EVEN PLACE MY FOOT IN THE RIVER ONCE BECAUSE 389 IT WILL HAVE ALREADY CHANGED, RIGHT????????????????????????? 390 to sywop: 391 hi!!! I'm brand-spankin new at this, but 392 it looks like loads up fun!!!!! 393 signed, jumpin' John 394 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 395 HELP!!!!! 396 397 For some strange reason Backwater keeps 398 repeating everything I type!!! 399 Duplex isn't the problem on my end, because 400 when I change from half to full (Or vice-versa) 401 it has no effect whatsoever. 402 403 If someone has a way to stop BW from repeating me, please let me know!!! 404 signed, J Zalcor(Alias John) 405 -------------------------------------------- 406 That's easy! Stop calling BWMS and don't use the enter command!!! 407 ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 408 For a moment I thought using this system would be complicated, 409 but after getting used to the commands, it wasn't so hard. Still, 410 the help could be more "helpful." Oh, well, it's a good system 411 anyway. 412 413 416 Ready to criticize anything, 417 Pion 418 ----- 419 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 420 I don't want to stop using this thing-- 421 it's fun! Besides, you guys get some intersting argument 422 going. I guess I'll just have o learn how to read 423 different. 424 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 425 HAS ANYONE BEEN CONNECTED WITH ANY TOOL AND/OR SKILL TRADING 426 AROUND THE TRI- COUNTY AREA AS I'VE SEEN IN SEATTLE OR THE 427 ..................................................... 428 John: 429 What terminal program are you using (and on what system)? 430 Some terminal programs confuse half/full duplex with echo/no echo. 431 Dial-up systems are SUPPOSED to echo your characters back at you 432 so you can see if what it received was what you sent. 433 _____________________________Leonard____________________________ 434 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 435 Just for the record, I found my problem. 436 The software I have refuses to do what 437 I want. It seems I can sit here and tell 438 it to go Full duplex atill I turn 439 blue, but it won't. So I'm going to scrap it and write a new terminal 440 program. Fun stuff. So until that job is 441 finished, I WILL have to read differently!!!!! 442 Thanx!! 443 +++++++++++++++John+++++++++++++++++++++++++ 444 =======<========================================================== 445 446 TO ALL UNIX SYSTEMS PROGRAMMERS: I AM RECRUTING FOR A GRAPHICS/CAD 447 SYSTEMS COMPANY WO IS LOOKING FOR A UNIX/C SYSTEMS PROGRAMMER FOR SUPPORT AND 448 ENHANCEMENT OF THE UNIX SHELL AND KERNAL. DEGREE IS REQUIRED, PAY IS $30 TO 36K 449 PLEASE CONTACT CLIFF LILES AT (503)244-xxxx 450 OR SEND A RESUME TO PERSONNEL SPECIALISTS. 451 PORTLAND OR 97219 452 WE ARE ALSO INTERESTED IN HEARING FROM ANY OTHER PROGRAMMERS, ENGINEERS OR 453 TECHNICAL PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN A NEW JOB. WE ARE AN ENTIRELY EMPLOYER 454 FEE PAID AGENCY.F 455 FOR THE RADIO PEOPLE ON THE SYSTEM, I ALSO HAVE A JOB FOR A DEGREED SALESMAN 456 WITH RADIO )(POLICE/INDUSTRAIIAL) EXPERIENCE TO SELL FOR A MAJOR MANUFACTURER 457 IF YOU QUALIFY FOR ANY OF THESE AREAS, GEIVE MAE A CALL. THANX 458 CLIFF LILES. 459 There's a whole bunch of bulletin board systems around. 460 I think someone should create an electronic postal system. 461 Maybe I'll give it a go... 462 463 464 Pion 465 466 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 467 TO PION-WHAT COMPANY DO YOU WORK FOR AND WHAT SYSTEM ARE YOU USING????? 468 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 469 Pion, That's a good idea. Maybe we can get together and see if we can do 470 471 it, If you wouldn't mind some help. 472 -John 473 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ 483 NEW COMPUTER STORE NAMED 80 PLUS WILL NPEN 484 SATURDAY MAY 7TH. 485 PHONE NUMBER 771-xxxx. 486 THEY HANDLE HARDVARE & ROFTWARE AND ALL TYPES OF 487 COMPUTER SUPPLIES. STOP BY AND CHECK IT OUT. 488 REMEMBER TO TELL THEM YOU SAW THIS ON YOUR BBS. 489 T@EY HAVE ROME OF THE BEST PRICES IN PORTLAND. 490 491 ----- 492 From Pion: 493 494 I don't work for any company. I'm just a novice programmer, 495 actually, and I come up with a bright idea every now and then. 496 497 I'm using a Heathkit H-89 computer with two secondary drives, 498 a MX-80 printer with GRAFTRAX-80 installed and Hayes Smartmodem 499 300. 500 501 To John: As I said, I'm just a novice programmer and I only 502 do this in my spare time. I thank you for your offer, however. 503 If you have any features you think would be a good idea, I'd 504 be glad to listen. 505 506 Thanks to all. 507 508 509 Pion 510 ----- 511 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> 512 dear pion -- where does the name pion come from? 513 514 <><>><><><><><><><><><>>><><><><><><><><><><><><><>><>><><>>< 515 ----- 516 Reply to message above: 517 518 At first (and still on another system) I call myself 519 "The Pioneer." This is kind of a play on my middle name, "Dorian," 520 which was the name of a group of pioneers somewhere way 521 back then. I don't mean "pioneers" as in Davy Crockett, I 522 mean WAY back then. I think they were Oriental, or at least 523 Asian. 524 525 I got tired of signing "The Pioneer" at the end of every 526 message and decided it to shorten it to "Pion," as in the 527 particle. I don't know if this particle is real; I read about 528 it in a Sci-Fi book. (It probably isn't real.) 529 530 I hope this answers your question. I prefer to keep my 531 entire name secret for unknown reasons, even to me. (This 532 was a joke.) 533 534 535 Pion 536 ----- 537 TO:ALL 538 FROM:BRENDA FISHER 539 540 541 553 ............................... 554 How's that again, Brenda?? 555 ............................... 556 ******************************** 557 To Pion: 558 Yes, 'pion' is a particle, originally called 'pi meson'. 559 Originally hypothesized in the thirties by Hideki Yukawa as the 560 particle which holds together the particles in nucleus of the 561 atom. Discovered, I believe, in the early fifties. 562 ******************************** 563 -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ 564 From: Bit Bucket BB System 565 To: All 566 Subject: System downtime 567 568 The Bit Bucket BB system will go down tonight 569 (5/6/83) until Monday, 5/16/83. This is required 570 because sysop is going on a business trip, and the 571 wife can't operate the system. SO, I gotta take 572 it down. System back up sometime 5/16, so "see" 573 all you regular BBBB callers then. 574 Rick B., System Operator, Bit Bucket. 575 +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- 576 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 577 578 BBS #S 579 580 CBBS NW 646-xxxx 581 582 PMS-Portland 245-xxxx 583 584 RCPM 621-xxxx 585 586 RCPM 641-xxxx 587 588 Portland Atari Club 245-xxxx 589 590 Bit Bucket BBS 761-xxxx 591 592 SLOTH 593 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 594 595 But then Pion may simply be a misspelling of Peon! 596 %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% 597 Reply to above message: 598 599 Bad joke. 600 601 602 Pion 603 ----- 604 HERE IS A LIST OF ALL THE 300 BAUD NUMBERS THAT I HAVE WRITTEN DOWN. SORRY ABOUT 605 ANY REPETITION OF THE NUMBERS. 606 607 608 ** COMPUSERVE 232-xxxx/232-xxxx 609 BIT BUCKET 761-xxxx 610 CONNECTION-80 281-xxxx 611 RCP/M 641-xxxx 612 CP/M 621-xxxx 613 BMS 230-xxxx (DUH!) 614 PT. ATARI CB 245-xxxx 615 MCESD 255-xxxx 616 PMS 245-xxxx 617 PMS (EUGENE) 689-xxxx 618 LITHO/NET (800) 831-xxxx 619 OARCS 641-xxxx 620 CBBS 646-xxxx/284-xxxx 621 622 623 THAT'S IT, THE SYSM. 624 625 626 ----------------::::::::----------------- 627 WELL IT'S ABOUT TIME FOR A COMPUTER AUDIO AD. 628 THIS IS A TEST OF THE PUBLIC BULLETIN BOARD AUDIO AWARENESS. 629 GILBERT AUDIO STOCKS THE WORLDS FINEST TURNTABLE. INTERESTED? CALL.