From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: cat Date & Time: 08/31/90 00:23:50 Message Number 8306 >...it [Mad Dog Velcro] will hold a volvo t the underside of a steel >I-beam, right next to the guy from the Crazy Glue ad. Yes, but how well does it stick to rabid canines? THAT's what /I/ buy Velcro for! =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/31/90 00:25:58 Message Number 8307 >Any general who'd send American ground troops and expect them to >survive is hopeless... That is my point EXACTLY. >Where the heck is our "front lines" in this case? On the Saudi-Kuwait border, where a not inconsiderable number of Army infantry has been sent, of course! My point is this: The Iraquis invade Saudi Arabia. They have lots O' tanks and infantry. They overrun the relatively few American and other infantry stationed in Saudi Arabia. Lots of Americans die. We retaliate with air and sea-based forces. We win, in the long run. The American soldiers are still dead. The phrase "human trip wire" as it applies to the American infantry in Saudi Arabia isn't a creation of mine, I fear; I picked it up from the gentlemenm in Father's Air Force unit, who seem to be even more pessimistic than I about the fate of the poor schmucks on the front lines in Saudi Arabia. =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/31/90 00:31:09 Message Number 8308 >What do y'all think [about the money scheme]? I think the good Senator's been snortin' too much Peruvian marching powder. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 08/31/90 00:34:46 Message Number 8309 >...did you ever notice that those two are like, really REALLY similar? Only in certain areas, politics and furry fandom being two of them. Max is also much more sloppy about grammar than I am. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/31/90 00:36:36 Message Number 8310 >...I don't think Hussien will use his Chems...remember, he's gotta >cross that space, too! Not necessarily. He could just sit back and shell large areas with chemical weapons, with the intent of inflicting as many casulties as possible--strategic, rather than tactical, use. He's already got a proven track record for doing that sort of thing. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/31/90 02:05:11 Message Number 8312 They never intended to invade Saudi..... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Animalism! Date & Time: 08/31/90 02:20:52 Message Number 8313 I aggree to an extent.....but the main point is that the people "being taught" must be willing to "learn". Hands on is the best way. I'm an Automation Engineer and I learned by being a machinest, a tool and die man, an assembler, an electrician, a detailer, a designer and then here. Actually went to school for Marine Biology, got where I am through "doing", hands on!!! But I WANTED to learn...... sssssssSNAKEBYTE . . =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: JONBOY Subject: Zappa Date & Time: 08/31/90 02:24:44 Message Number 8314 >Zappa....sensitive people... I think anyone who DOESN'T like Zappa can be classified as a "sensitive person" when it comes to hearing his music . I took a tape in that I had compiled of 90 minutes of my Zappa favorites in to a friend at work. He played a little on his tape player on his desk and the looks he got....(hmmmmm, maybe that's why he got transferred to our south plant). =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: JONBOY Subject: Wilmington Date & Time: 08/31/90 02:28:10 Message Number 8315 I was there around '75+. I used to hang around Kure Beach and Wrightsville alot!!! Been to Fort Fisher often, too. Used to walk out the breaker wall to Victoria Island and have some big oyster parties out there during high tide. Used to live at The Crest and Red Dogs. I went by UNC-W a while back and WOW has it grown. When I was there they had just opened up their first dorm (Galloway Hall) and now the place is BIG. Kind of miss that area....but love it here, too. Guess I'm just hooked on the beach..... =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Hutchinson's Date & Time: 08/31/90 06:38:04 Message Number 8317 Where is it? I've never heard of it... It's in Sarasota, isn't it? =========== From: BIG LEW To: JONBOY Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 08/31/90 13:35:41 Message Number 8319 Can you tell me where this place is? And what kind of music you play? I missed some messages, I think. Thanks. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: weire Date & Time: 08/31/90 17:37:25 Message Number 8321 >Do what the big boys do... call it a feature. "The following is a heretofore undocumented feature," hmm? While I'm at it, I suppose I could write a set of docs for aLTER rEALITY in which twenty percent of the definitions are of the form "A ________ is a sequence of non-blank characters separated by blanks." =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 08/31/90 17:40:51 Message Number 8322 >Van Hagar sucks. at least with Roth there there was a solidness there >and action in the songs... ...not to mention inanity, triteness, and lyrics that were (literally) written on the john. Sammy Hagar brought with him something Van Halen had never before had--an intelligent lead singer. =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 08/31/90 17:44:35 Message Number 8323 >I saw William Shatner as "The Big Kahoona" in some surfer movie ... "Back to the Beach," by any chance? (It's kind of embarassing to admit, but I've actually watched that entire movie...at least I didn't pay money to see it! That 'un ranks right up there with "The Stuff" and "Killer Klowns from Space." =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Nuke Kids Date & Time: 08/31/90 17:48:57 Message Number 8324 >I think Ken here is grabbing for something to support himself... For what it's worth, Ken's not the first person to claim "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is in some way supportative of drug use. Of course, the same people who make that claim also generally say things like "'Stairway to Heaven' has Satanic messages in it" and "Judas Priest makes people commit suicide." =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 08/31/90 20:35:35 Message Number 8325 >What is more fun than leaping to conclusions? Leaping from them? =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Music Date & Time: 08/31/90 21:37:11 Message Number 8328 >...when you sit down and tell a machine to play something over, that >is not so great... THANK YOU!!! It is always wonderful to see someone who has SOME sort of musical sensibilities in this world of sequencers and lip-synching. Drum machines, when used correctly, are interesting devices; Yamaha makes a really nice hexhead kit that's played /exactly/ the same way you'd play an acoustic kit, only it allows you to define the sound each "drum" makes when struck. That sort of thing doesn't bug me--hell, if I could afford it, I wouldn't mind owning a set (or even a set of generic old-fashioned drums, for that matter)--but the Paula Abdul school of "Flip a Switch and Off You Go" really ticks me off. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: HI!!!! Date & Time: 08/31/90 21:44:13 Message Number 8329 >How many of y'all wanna get together and party? Count me in, if this message isn't obsolete already... =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: weire Date & Time: 08/31/90 21:45:52 Message Number 8330 >...I saw a book, "The Search for Turtle's Navel"... Don't buy it. It's totally unauthorized, and full of the most malicious disinformation. Imagine, beliving I can't find my own navel...(grumble, grumble. When my lawyers get done with them, those low-down good-for- nothing Turlte ignoramuses will rue the day... =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: mMIDI Date & Time: 08/31/90 22:04:44 Message Number 8332 >...can you actually outperform a CD?? Yes. CD is not a perfect medium. The NeXT can sample and play back sound at the same resolution as a CD but with better frequency response; so can DAT. Truth be known, by today's standards CD resolution just ain't that good--but it's so firmly entrenched at this point that it's damn near impossible to switch to a new standard. =========== From: MIKE GREENAWALD To: TURTLE Subject: words Date & Time: 08/31/90 23:50:54 Message Number 8333 Turtle, I have great regards for you wisdom. You take great pride in what you say. I wish that more did. Have been attending a conference on communication in Tampa. I got asked to participate. This really made my day after reading all the NS comment on another board. I can truly say now that my logic while it might be a little old and faulty at times is still good. I got a seven rating out of ten. I felt tghat I was maybe a four. You should try those conferences. All that you need is a letter and a fe w dollars for the hotel and food. The leaders of the conferences teach fair fighting which is a good concept. You have to have a message to give and use a technique to communicate. It is neat to borrow a term i heard the other day. =========== From: MIKE GREENAWALD To: ALL Subject: rufus Date & Time: 09/01/90 00:10:58 Message Number 8334 By the way what has happened to Rufus? I dialed up his board when I got back from the city of Tampa only to find that the number did not work. Has he surcome to something or is his board n need of repair again? =========== From: MIKE GREENAWALD To: ALL Subject: Apple hard driv Date & Time: 09/01/90 00:18:41 Message Number 8335 Has anyone come across a software program that will restore ProDos to a hard drive without destroying all the other programs on the drive? I have a 20 Meg and a five Meg Apple profile on an Apple IIe. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/01/90 01:18:20 Message Number 8336 I don't think music was meant to have intelligent lead singers. I'd take songs from the john any day over 'love comes walkin' in' =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: mMIDI Date & Time: 09/01/90 01:23:50 Message Number 8337 and me..... I just listen to Cassettes and records! =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: Hutchinson's Date & Time: 09/01/90 10:24:53 Message Number 8346 >...It's in Sarasota, isn't it? Yep, along with George Bush, Jimmy Hoffa, and one SR-71. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 09/01/90 10:27:04 Message Number 8347 >"The Stuff" and "Killer Klowns from Space." Both of which you can find at Blockbuster. They may be over priced, but they do carry some weird stuff. =========== From: RUFUS To: MIKE GREENAWALD Subject: rufus Date & Time: 09/01/90 10:31:22 Message Number 8348 >Has he surcome to something or is his board n need of repair again? Actually, I've joined the dark side of the Dew. And my board is in need of some repair, which I shall be doing today (I suppose). And this is the first time since it's been up that it has gone down. The first week of struggling with it doesn't count as repair. =========== From: RUFUS To: MIKE GREENAWALD Subject: Apple hard driv Date & Time: 09/01/90 10:33:08 Message Number 8349 Errr, do you have a partition set up for ProDOS on the HD? If you do, you just need to copy ProDOS onto it and your off and spinning. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: RUFUS Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 09/01/90 12:44:07 Message Number 8351 Hey, I LIKED Killer Klowns. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: RUFUS Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 09/01/90 12:44:38 Message Number 8352 By the way, that's "Outer" Space, though Tman dudn't say it either =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 09/01/90 12:50:58 Message Number 8353 > "Backto the Beach," by any chance? Nope, ol' Bill wasn't in that flick. > ...I've actually watched that entire movie... Kinda depends on what mood you're in. If you feel like seeing Pee-Wee Herman do a new version of "Papa Oom Mow-Mow" called "Surfing Bird", then this is the film for you... =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Nuke Kids Date & Time: 09/01/90 12:53:21 Message Number 8354 > Ken's not the firstperson to claim... Yeah, but he /knows/ it's been admantly denied by John Lennon. If you don't think that's important, you should hear some of the things Lennon HAS admitted to... It's really a moot point anyway. He told me he did it just to set me off... (it worked, eh?) =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/01/90 12:56:34 Message Number 8355 > THANK YOU!!! YOU'RE WELCOME!!! I see your opinion is the exact same as mine. But, would you consider something like you described (the Yamaha set) a "drum machine"? That sounds more like "electric drums" to me, not a machine. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: mMIDI Date & Time: 09/01/90 12:59:15 Message Number 8356 > ...weird background hiss... Is this along the same lines as when you record a CD on audio tape and get an annoying high pitch on your playback? =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: mMIDI Date & Time: 09/01/90 13:00:34 Message Number 8357 > CD resolution just ain't that good.. Hmmm.. news to me. I can see that your quote out of context looks REAL bad... sorry. Anyways, my question is: Even though we've got the system firmly implanted, can't we just improve it to get better audio response? I mean, to me, the CD is a miracle. I would like to hear /better/... =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/01/90 19:58:06 Message Number 8358 Great! Tell me the time and place. If I can, I'll be there. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Green b*tch Date & Time: 09/01/90 20:02:03 Message Number 8359 You could fix it that way, I suppose... but what if there's an off- chance that I'd want to actually get into the glove compartment at some time? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: SPELLWIND Subject: Mr.Ed Dimension Date & Time: 09/01/90 20:03:05 Message Number 8360 The dimension of Mr. Ed? As far as I know, I'm the only equine furry on these BBS's. Terribly lonely storyboard... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: Rabid canines Date & Time: 09/01/90 20:05:22 Message Number 8361 >Yes, but how well does it stick to rabid canines? I sincerel hope you didn't get the Mad Dog Velcro attachment to your shell... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/01/90 20:07:11 Message Number 8362 The scariest part was that Senator D'Amato bought an hour's worth of satellite time to broadcast this idea. The same one-minute newsfeed, over and over. I wonder if ANY station cared enough to broadcast it? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Animalism! Date & Time: 09/01/90 20:10:00 Message Number 8363 Came across a really great quote the other day. Can't remember where. "When students are given the chance to walk out of classrooms in the same way they walk out of plays, then the classrooms will be filled with eager minds, and the playhouses will all fail for lack of support." If school weren't mandatory, would I have gone? Absolutely -- but maybe not to the place I went. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: BIG LEW Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/01/90 20:13:45 Message Number 8364 I have no earthly, heavenly, or hades-like way of knowing where the "Dog House" is. But, I've been pushing to get together a "pick up band" among the members of this system, and one suggested the Dog House. Style of band? Damn if I know. My only experience in bands have been from high school and a >very< alternate jazz band -- in both cases, playing clarinet (and a few other, stranger, instruments.) I'll be bringing two guitars -- one classical, one Ovation. And maybe a clarinet. And probably a kazoo. Our eventual style? Dang if I know. Chip P. Unicorn Do you play? Wanna join in? =========== From: RUFUS To: SPELLWIND Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 09/02/90 10:43:31 Message Number 8371 > Hey, I LIKED Killer Klowns. And they like you. I never implied that Killer Klowns wasn't a good movie. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Green b*tch Date & Time: 09/02/90 10:46:04 Message Number 8372 >but what if there's an off-chance that I'd want to actually get into >the glove compartment at some time? You can't have it all, my horned friend. I'd suggest just ripping the door off. That way it won't hit the knees, and you have real easy access to it. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Rabid canines Date & Time: 09/02/90 10:48:02 Message Number 8373 > I sincerel hope you didn't get the Mad Dog Velcro attachment to >your shell.... Silly unicorn, Mad Dog's for dogs. Turtle uses "Mad Reptile" Velcro. ...maybe that's why he's such a babe magnet?? =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 10:50:45 Message Number 8374 >And probably a kazoo. Is it electric? Either way, count me in for the kazoo. And Zot plays a mean mouth harp. =========== From: BEATLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 12:03:40 Message Number 8375 If they're thinking of the same dog house I am, it's here in the town of Bradenton, of US 41 in an odd place, not far from a McDonalds... =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 12:05:43 Message Number 8376 > count me in for the kazoo. And Zot plays a mean mouth harp. Hey, that sounds cool... Lets see you and zot do something like "Dueling Mouth Instruments"... I take it that you and Zot plan on going to this dog house jam?? You think you would consider taking me along with you guys? Yeah, a kazoo player, a bassist and a wannabe drummer.... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: MAX Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:02:30 Message Number 8378 Actually, the suits have not been so thoughroughly tested that you can get such an accurate time on when they are no longer effective, and so the 30-60 min estimate is a conservative one put out by the Army so when you are using one you will get the hell outta Dodge and not dally for the (about) 100 minutes which is it's max. And, in my defense, I never said anything about how effective they were against biological agents. -- But then again, I don't think that the troops are in danger of a Bio attack. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: MAX Subject: Furrys Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:07:46 Message Number 8379 Yes, you are right...but you know my twisted mind... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:10:56 Message Number 8380 SW>Specialist, I'll never call you a Homophobe...just a bigot. Thank you. I prefer the term. What insult term may I use to refer to you with? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: ... Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:14:43 Message Number 8381 Oh, by the way... Wahhh! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:16:09 Message Number 8382 Oh, by the way, I'm not much for kids, either..."pedophobe" I'm not. I just can't seem to relate to little kids...(I'm the youngest in my family and never had the opportunity). =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:20:27 Message Number 8383 Hold it, we aren't invading another country...yet! We are tring to get Kuwait back. And for that matter, to assist Saudi Arabia from getting invaded. Now. If they start some shit, then sure, we have to kick thier butts. Of course, we will lose some men...but the alternative is to just let that madman take over all the oil fields one by on until he's got a monopoly on them...then what? WHat's YOUR solution? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Yeah!!! Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:23:46 Message Number 8384 JB>I'd like to get a group of us there and just have fun... WHEN!!?? WHEN!!?? WHEN!!?? I'll be there...invite everybody... Hmm....doncha think we all (the band members) ought get together and coordinate on what songs we know and can play? So we can at least sound semi-audible? (Decible?) *(Tolerable)*? Oh, incidentally, I have a friend who plays drums (or used to, I don't kmow how good he is now, though he practices all the time on his steering wheel.) Should I enlist his help? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:32:41 Message Number 8386 You are wrong. American troops are not stupid enough to sit around and wait for the first wave of troops to come and get them, and yes, they WILL know far in advance when they are coming. And yes, they ARE well prepared to resist any initial attack, and act accordingly for any following attack. As in any conflict, we will lose soldiers, but they will lose more... and they know it. Why do you think they haven't attacked yet? =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:36:25 Message Number 8387 Right, he sits back and inflicts casualties with chems...we sit back and shell the hell outta him with the naval forces, with the tac nukes (105 and 155 MM howitzers) and with the airforce (probably a little more difficult, but it wouldn't take long to wipe out his air force). Besides, how to you think he's gonna get those shells to us? Artiller we could wipe out in a few hours, and rockets are no problem with our new anti-rocket missiles. We's shoot missiles down while they were stil in Iraqi air space! No, no problem. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: ZOT GNOP Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:44:49 Message Number 8388 Hey, do you wanna play for the band? I understand that you are a killer bass.. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Harleys Date & Time: 09/02/90 13:46:02 Message Number 8389 "Outta work? Eat your rice burner." That's why I'd buy a Harley. If for no other reason than I don't feel like supporting the Japaneese economy. A Blindly Loyal Specialist. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: BEATLE Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 14:09:51 Message Number 8390 Here's a Relief wanabe drummer.. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 14:12:26 Message Number 8391 Kuwait was Iraq fiiiirst..... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: UNIVERSE Subject: .......... Date & Time: 09/02/90 14:15:32 Message Number 8392 Spellwind is Dead, I am Spellwind......... pondering.............. pondering.............. pondering.............. From the same body comes a new being? pondering.............. pondering.............. pondering.............. sleeping? =========== From: MAX To: AJ-- Subject: Letter Date & Time: 09/02/90 14:22:06 Message Number 8393 Thank you. I don't have anything against the Specialist and I don't mean to make him feel that I'm out to get him in some way, but I'm not sure that it ever really, truly clicked that I had a reason for seeming personally offended. =========== From: MAX To: TURTLE Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/02/90 14:32:41 Message Number 8394 > Max is also much more sloppy about grammar than I am. Well, I guess we can't all be born editors.... =========== From: MAX To: BEATLE Subject: mMIDI Date & Time: 09/02/90 14:38:56 Message Number 8395 Despite what Turtle said, I don't think we're going to see anything with markedly better resolution than CD's for home use in the near future. Master tape equipment is still a bit out of most people's price range (not to mention you can't get anything on it unless you work at the studio); I have heard CD's of live shows that are digitally recorded that sound slightly /better/ than the original show when played on a good (and "just" good, not $10,000+ audiophile) stereo system, since the speakers in most home systems often have better response than concert systems do. Beware of the audio fanatic syndrome -- a component that looks "twice as good" on paper as another given component may have almost neglible sound difference, kind of like the difference between a computer monitor that has 2048x2048 resolution with a 2 million color palette and one that has 4096x4096 resolution with a 16.7 million color palette. The latter one obviously has 4 times the resolution and 8 times as many color choices, yet you'd have trouble telling the difference between the two if you showed the same picture on both of them. Even if there were one or two cases where you could see a miniscule improvement, would it be worth paying 10 or more times the cost of the "low-res" one? =========== From: MAX To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: jap cars Date & Time: 09/02/90 14:48:33 Message Number 8396 Actually, Toyota parts are pretty reasonable now, because a lot of them are being made in America (in fact, I think about 70% of Toyota's cars sold in the U.S. now are also made here, along with their replacement parts). Still not quite as cheap as some American car parts, but in some cases, a lot less -- a typical Toyota distributor cap is about half the cost of, say, a Chrysler one, because the design is a lot less complicated (I don't know how you can make a distributor cap complicated but this is what the auto parts dealer said when I asked why Chrysler's was twice as expensive). The Japanese cars still have a problem of perception. To a lot of American buyers, especially sports car people, every Japanese car is a Tercel. I have actually seen a supercharged MR-2 take a Mustang GT 5.0 (when a hotshot high school type decided that he wanted to prove how much better his big stuff car was than the rice burner next to him at a stop light, something he probably regretted about 5 seconds later). Toyota has actually designed a car called the 4500GT which can compete favorably with exotics like the Porsche 911, but they don't know what to do with it -- it'd still cost around $45K to produce, just like any other exotic, and even if a 4500GT could beat a 911 five ways to hell the average status-conscious yuppie type is going to go, "Oh... it's a... Toyota, isn't it?" American cars could increase in quality and go down in price if they changed the way the cars were actually assembled, although it's true that Japanese labor makes significantly less than American labor does. Their labor also has a lot more input into the car design and a lot more importance in the actual manufacturing process, though, which is something Detroit could be taking a cue from. =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: Shorts Date & Time: 09/02/90 15:59:26 Message Number 8397 <--> Just when you thought there was enought 1/2 hour commercials for Auri, Astonish, Amazing Woks, and DiDi-7 ... Jessica Hahn is now doing her own 1/2 hour commercial for ... What else? A 1-900 Love Line where you can meet friends, dates, and even find someone to wed ... The cost is only $15 for 15 minutes ... And you may even be able to speak with Jessica herself! <--> The Pink Panthers are on patrol in New York City. Travelling in groups with their black T-Shirts with the pink paw imprented on them, they're out to get rid of the over-abundence of "Gay Bashing" in NYC. First the Guardian Angles ... Now the Pink Panthers ... What next? The Specialist better watch out when he travels to NYC again! =========== From: KEN OBER To: TURTLE Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 09/02/90 16:05:44 Message Number 8398 Yup, T'was BACK TO THE BEACH ... WOnderful movie! I think I have it taped somewhere here... =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/02/90 16:45:14 Message Number 8400 >I don't think music was ment to have intelligent lead singers. That's too bad. Intelligent music generally ranks over inanity in my book; might be why I'm such a fanatic Rush/Pink Floyd fan. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 09/02/90 16:52:03 Message Number 8403 Actually, my favorite part of "Back to the Beach" was "Ohhhh, not peanut butter sandwiches /again!/" and the guy's father clobbering all the surfboards. That's one amazing movie--but not in a positive way. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/02/90 16:53:26 Message Number 8404 Technically, a set of Yamaha hexheads is a drum machine. The obnoxious noisemaker that less talented would-be musicians use to back up their obnoxious warbling is a drum synthesizer or a drum sequencer, rather than a drum machine. =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: MIDI Date & Time: 09/02/90 16:54:53 Message Number 8405 If you're getting a high-piched noise on your tapes when you record from CD, the problem is in the stereo setup somewhere--that shouldn't happen. The only problem with a tape recorded from CD should be the normal background hiss that tape in general is subject to--and of course reduced frequency response. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: Rabid canines Date & Time: 09/02/90 17:09:11 Message Number 8406 >Turtle uses "Mad Reptile" Velcro. Reptiles aren't fuzzy, so it's kinda hard to get Velcro to stick to us. We prefer "Mad Reptile" epoxy. >...maybe that's why he's such a babe magnet?? He is no such thing. Cut that out. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: jap cars Date & Time: 09/02/90 17:11:27 Message Number 8407 >...I think american manufacturers could improve and take a lesson from >Korean and Japanese... The Americans can make a car that's a good as a Honda Civic, no problem. Trouble is, who'd pay twenty thousand dollars for it? =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 17:15:05 Message Number 8408 >If they start some shit, then sure, we have to kick their butts...the >alternative is to just let that madman take over all the oil fields one >by one... I *hate* when I agree with you. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 17:17:35 Message Number 8409 >We's shoot missiles down while they were stil[l] in Iraqi air space! I don't share your faith in technology--no complex weapon system is 100% effective. =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: HI!!!! Date & Time: 09/02/90 18:59:33 Message Number 8410 TY>I'll even buy the first pitcher! Yer on! A thirsty JonBoy (Actually I've had my quota of beer this weekend!) :) =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: weire Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:00:59 Message Number 8411 YNG>( I think you can figure out what the "f" stands for ). \ But of course, m'sieur! In the military *everything* is a B.F. and the final initi whatever it is that you are referring to. ie a hammer is a BFH. etc. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: cat Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:04:03 Message Number 8412 T>but how well does it stick to rabid canines? Er.... is this somehow related to the subject - ie wrong genus... =========== From: JONBOY To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Wilmington Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:07:21 Message Number 8413 SB>WOW has it grown. Yeah what with Research Triangle and whatnot. I have a lot of fond memories from that place. My buddy dated a gal that had a real fishin fool for a dad. We would take the truck, boat and cooker out there and start a pig roasting Saturday morning. We'd clam, gig flounder, crab and use these to start a good ol' Cajun Gumbo in a giant kettle that we'd bury in the sand. The smaller kids' job was to keep basting the pig and keep the kettle stirrd. Oh my! The /memory/ of those feasts makes my mouth water!!!! =========== From: JONBOY To: BEATLE Subject: mMIDI Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:11:44 Message Number 8414 B>but can you acutally out perform a CD?? CD's have been touted as the ultimate in audio. Hah! Their major claim to fame is they are resistant to noise pickup with use and age if you treat them good. As far as audio range... an LP is capable of as good a reproduction in practice. In theory an LP can do better simply becaus it is an analog media. No matter what anyone tells you, the digital methods used to make CD's is not the greatest. The sampling frequency alone shoots the high end to hell. The music between samples is extrapolated. As far as dynamic range... again the LP comes out on top. I really don' understand why they limited the CD as bad as they did except that the economics and state of the art are probably the reason. There simply aren't enough bits to give the dynamic range that the media is capable of. The strong points of CD's are their stereo seperation which unless you are listening to something quiet and deliberately recorded on a single channel, you really can't perceive anyway. My biggest bitch is that they are overpriced as hell. The DAT's had to be crippled so that you can't record CD's more than once, ie they have a detector circuit that will allow you to copy a CD, but /not/ let you copy the copy. This is what kept the DAT from being sold for the last 5 years while they duked it out in court over copyright infring- ments. They are really trying to milk the cow for as long as the consumer is stupid enough to pay $16 per CD. =========== From: JONBOY To: BIG LEW Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:23:18 Message Number 8415 BL>where this place is? The intersection right before Cortez behind Rose autoparts. (57th???) BL>And what kind of music you play? I play some blues type stuff, rock-n-roll and my own brand of music that I experiment with. For the last year I have been playing with an 'E' tuning which is normally used by slide players. It has been so long since I played with anyone, I would be hard pressed to name anything off hand I used to play! Lemmeesee.... Gimme Three Steps by Skynrd, bits-n-pieces of other Skynrd stuff... Neil Young.... some Ac/DC, Van Halen. I really should just fire up the stereo and learn some songs again. Either that or get off my butt and finish my own songs that I work on every now and then. I have found that when I start programming it screw (oops) screws up my poetic sensibilities - I can't write anymore!!! Maybe the cold logic of the computer is in antipathy to poetry... Gads! Whata thought! More likely is that I'm mentally fried by the time I finish. Like right now I've got 80 pages of routines that I've written for this new machine and I have to start tying it all together. I may be a stranger to the board for the next two weeks. After that, I'm gonna need a party! You furries read me???? =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Nuke Kids Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:33:00 Message Number 8416 T>not the first person to claim "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" T>is in some way supportative of drug use. According to P McCartney - the song was written because someones kid said it and they thought it sounded neat. Kind of written on a "lark". I seem to recall he said they were talking about politics and the kid repeated what she thought she heard them say.. It's been so long ago. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:36:55 Message Number 8417 T>THANK YOU!!! .... wonderful to see someone who ... musical sensibiliti I agree too. I have a Dave Sanborn CD (Change of Heart) and there is a song that I love but also hate... he is such a fine sax player that it really pisses me off to hear him throttle back because he is trying to play along with a soulless machine. You can tell it's a MIDI track Sighhhh with real live musicians at least the tempo can change and flow as the situation calls for. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: HI!!!! Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:40:06 Message Number 8418 T>Count me in, if this message isn't obsolete already... Nope, we just need to pick a suitable Friday night and do it! =========== From: JONBOY To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:54:28 Message Number 8420 CPU>Great! Tell me the time and place. If I can, I'll be there. Let's get a consensus. I don't wanna lay down anything that would not agree with everyone. A Friday or Saturday night is Ok by me for a large get together. A wednesday would be good (Taco Night!) for a small get together. Let's hear some preferences folks! =========== From: JONBOY To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 19:58:11 Message Number 8421 CPU>I have no earthly, heavenly, or hades-like way of knowing where the CPU>"Dog House" is. It is AKA as Mulcahey's Dog House and is the intesection before you get to Cortez going north on 41. I beleive this is 57th street. It is exactly behind Rose's Auto Parts. The reason they call it the Dog House is because they bring in their specialty hot dogs from Pennsylvania. They also serve seafood, finger food (Buffalo wings, Tacos, Fried Mushrooms, cheese sticks etc) and other Mexican food. They have a full bar that runs right down the middle of the place, they have darts, the bandstand, a basketball shoot, a bigscreen TV and a couple of bar TV's. More like a pub really than a restraunt or bar. =========== From: JONBOY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Yeah!!! Date & Time: 09/02/90 20:07:22 Message Number 8422 TS>doncha think...coordinate on what songs we know and can play? Hmmm... that /does/ keep down on nuisance beer bottle throwing. This is getting a little confusing. I would like to just have a get together sometime to meet some more of you folks and I'm familiar with the Dog House. I figured it would be neat and maybe plink around with some of the instruments since some of you are musicians. As far as actually /playing/ anything, you're right. The people there ( a fun loving bunch) would assume that we had played together and could actually play something identifiable as "music". It would be cool to have someplace to get together to jam. I would volunteer my place but it would be awhile as I tend to live like a slob when I have more than one project going (btrutal honesty never hurts!:> ) When I get finished and can clean the place up, we can have a party here. The neighbors are already broke in! ]:> Who has what and can anyone sing? I play elctric and acoustic I have a Crate 40 watt practise amp and three electrics and two 12 strings. If we really sound shitty I have a stereo to console us. Anyone else have a place to get together? =========== From: JONBOY To: KEN OBER Subject: 900 numbers Date & Time: 09/02/90 20:19:55 Message Number 8423 KO>A 1-900 Love Line And you may even be able to speak with Jessica Gag! #barf# In a nutshell - 900 numbers are what is wrong with America. A Queasy JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: friends Date & Time: 09/02/90 20:22:29 Message Number 8424 T>Marriage is a silly (and obsolete) concept. Ok, I'll byte... /why/ is it an obsolete concept? JonBoy =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: HI!!!! Date & Time: 09/02/90 21:15:02 Message Number 8425 Friday? Bad night, dude...can't get things started until after work ( 6 - 6:30 or later)...now Saturdays we could start whenever we felt like it. :) The Yngling ("If the sun's not over the yardarm yet, well, lower the goddam yard- arm!") =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/02/90 21:18:31 Message Number 8426 To quote the Bay City Rollers ( ghod, who ever thought I'd be doing that? ) : "S...A...T...U...R...D...A...Y...night!" The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: JONBOY Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 21:20:22 Message Number 8427 If I may elaborate on what you have already said: The DogHouse is located in a small shopping center called The 41 Center. It is on the East side of U.S. 41 (on the right if you are northbound) right after McDonalds. And they make great sandwiches as well as Mexican food. =========== From: YNGLING To: RUFUS Subject: Paintwars Date & Time: 09/02/90 21:25:57 Message Number 8428 Rufus, Is the Paintwar scheduled for the 8th or what? Need to know ASAP. Call me by voice if you want to to confirm or deny. The Yngling =========== From: SPELLWIND To: KEN OBER Subject: Not Lacey Date & Time: 09/02/90 21:49:47 Message Number 8429 I think that was Frankie Avalon....... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/02/90 21:50:34 Message Number 8430 Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm OK OK! You got me!!!!!! I never really got into Floyd much, never got past the Wall.... Diehard Iron Maiden fan(I HATE Somewhere in Time) (Piece of dog doo). I guess they're pretty smart...they can write... =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: friends Date & Time: 09/02/90 21:53:56 Message Number 8431 Are you saying we've evolved past marriage? I think marriage has evolved past us. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 21:56:36 Message Number 8432 but he doesn't care about Saudi Arabia! (much) =========== From: SPELLWIND To: JONBOY Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:04:44 Message Number 8433 By Jove! Jolly good! I say! =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Green b*tch Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:17:20 Message Number 8434 >I'd suggest just ripping the door off. Do you rip off body parts of yourself when they get in the way? Hmph. See if the Green B*tch (notice: she is NOT the Green Bitch. The splat must be pronounced correctly.) ever lets you in... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:19:15 Message Number 8435 I only have an electric wazoo. No electric kazoos. I haven't seen a mouth harp for ages... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Yo! Furry Fen! Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:21:32 Message Number 8436 >I just can't seem to relate to little kids... I understand that idea precisely. Anyone who calls 'em "little angels" has NOT either babysitted for them or been one themself. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:22:53 Message Number 8437 >The alternative is to just let that madman take over all the oil fields one by one until he's got a monopoly on them... My God! You mean he's going to attack Mexico, Alaska, and Siberia next?! What is that madman Hussein up to, now? Seriously, the most Hussein can hope for (and a damned low chance at that) is to take over the entire Middle East. Though it has a signif- icant amount of the world's oil reserves, it's by no means a monopoly. Remember, y'all: America DOES have some oil of its own. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: KEN OBER Subject: Shorts Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:29:32 Message Number 8438 The Guardian Angles? Sounds like an obtuse group to me. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: friends Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:30:38 Message Number 8439 >Marriage is a silly (and obsolete) concept. Uhh... Turtle. I don't think so. You might feel sex is -- and should be -- a form of recreation; you might feel sexual monogamy is unimportant for a relationship, but there is one vital purpose of marriage (even common law marriage.) Keeping the species alive. Sure -- a woman can have a baby out of wedlock, if she chooses. I don't believe there should be any problems with that. But -- any man who would get a woman pregnant, then leave her is a very low man in my book. (Let me tell you the story of Angeles sometime.) Marriage is an attempt to give the woman some legal protection for the sake of the child. (It also should serve other, more personal, purposes. But that's the main reason.) Let's face it. Men and women are different. It's physically possible for a man to have hundreds of children and forget about them. It's not so easy on the woman. Call marriage something that gives the woman "a level field." Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: JONBOY Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:40:37 Message Number 8440 Two weeks from now, I'll be up in Jacksonville, wishing my filly a very happy birthday. (Very happy, indeed. We haven't seen each other for months.) But, three weeks from now -- the weekend of the 22nd and 23rd would be fantastic! How 'bout y'all? Also, about the Animation festival: I'm going next weekend, on the night of the Eighth. Anyone else want to join in, leave me a message. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/02/90 22:44:02 Message Number 8441 Jonboy, The last message's date can be changed. Wednesday night for tacos? Yum! Great! How 'bout THIS Wednesday for our first practice? Oh... by the way. What will the band be called? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: KEN OBER Subject: Shorts Date & Time: 09/02/90 23:59:51 Message Number 8442 Oooh, shake, shake... "Thtop! You mithcreant! Theath and dethistht! I won't HEAR of you making fun of me aGAIN." [points to shirt] "I'm Pink Panther, you know!" =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: jap cars Date & Time: 09/03/90 00:04:07 Message Number 8443 T>...who'd pay twenty thousand dollars for it? "Oh, right, that's my point exactly." Monty Python =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/03/90 00:05:23 Message Number 8444 TS>alternative is to just let that madman take over the oil fields... T>I *hate* when I agree with you. Uh, me too! Er...Gun proliferation! Nuclear power plants! uh... =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/03/90 00:07:26 Message Number 8445 T>I don't share your faith in technology -- no complex weapon system T>is 100% effective. No, but don't forget...Uncle Sam is a belt and suspenders man. Lotsa backups to minimize casualties as much as possible. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: YNGLING Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/03/90 00:16:34 Message Number 8446 Yes, and it is on the intersection of 49th and 41... (57th is far down the street...it's before 53rd, even...) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: ALL Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/03/90 00:21:59 Message Number 8447 CPU asked what we would call the band. Personally, I believe that I'd like to hear the band play BEFORE we go off half-cocked and start giving it a name... Other thoughts? =========== From: ANGEL To: *.* Subject: cleaning crew Date & Time: 09/03/90 03:41:53 Message Number 8449 "Don't argue, Reginald. Of course, this is the place. The captain warned us to expect the unusual. From what other local bar would we hear gun shots?" Few even glanced up to see the two new-comers enter the Pub. Of course, to view the one, a person would have to glance VERY far up ... the giraffe and baboon stood in the doorway surveying the assortment of strange beings and the carnage left first from the explosion and then from the recent gunshot. "Uhhh, I, uh, don't think the first plan is gonna work. Who do we ask, Trixie?" asked the Giraffe. The baboon chose a person at random and crossed over to Rufus. "Excuse me, sir. I'm first mate Trixie of the _Billie C_, who might be in charge here?" Rufus, glad to have a temporary respite from Mulligan's questioning, pointed the baboon toward Xonzoff. "Thank you ... nice coat." The giraffe, Reginald, followed Trixie to the bar. "Mr. Xonzoff, Captain Hec sent us here to remove the wreckage of a piano she brought here." "Fine," said Xon, "you're welcome to it." "Unfortunatly, we will have a modicum of difficulty accomplishing our task. We did not wish to admit this to our captain, but neither one of us knows what a piano is. We thought we could enter your establishment and identify the article by the fact that it was in pieces. However, it seems that more than just the piano in question has been damaged here today. Could you please identify which item of wreckage is our?" Following Xon's indication, the pair went to the soggy and still-smoldering remains of the piano. Reginald placed the piano bench on his back. Trixie hoisted the box of piano rolls on one shoulder and the piano on the other. "Oh, I nearly forgot, ... Reginald, the package." The giraffe snaked his neck around to the pouch that was strapped to his back and removed a small package which he dropped on the bar. "This is from Captain Hecuba to Donthen, with her regards." With that, the bell-bottomed baboon and the giraffe left. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:18:43 Message Number 8452 > I take it that you and Zot plan on going to this dog house jam?? Errr, not really. I dunno..... Someone know if there is some silly age restriction for this place? =========== From: RUFUS To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:23:06 Message Number 8453 >Hey, do you wanna play for the band? >I understand that you are a killer bass.. Yea, when Zot starts swinging that bass around, you should get out of the way. Of course, his favorite bass trick is sticking the neck in a ceiling fan. In all honesty, I haven't heard him play for a while. I assume he's improved. ...to be really honest, I haven't heard anything in the past 17 hours. =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: made in USA Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:30:21 Message Number 8454 You haven't heard my new motto for GM yet, have you? "GM- We design flaws better than anyone else." =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: Rabid canines Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:32:48 Message Number 8455 >We prefer "Mad Reptile" epoxy. Doesn't GE make that? >He is no such thing [a babe magnet]. Cut that out. Yea, right, sure. We believe you. =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:41:33 Message Number 8456 Re: a large get together. Friday or Saturday sounds good to me. Wednesday depends on the whimsy of my teachers. Question: Is there some age requirment? =========== From: RUFUS To: YNGLING Subject: Paintwars Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:45:07 Message Number 8457 Yngling, it is off for the 8th. As in N-O for a number of reasons, which I'll explain later. My BBS should have been back up this moment, but my software has decided to wretch and vomit. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Green b*tch Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:47:07 Message Number 8458 > Do you rip off body parts of yourself when they get in the way? Luckily, none have gotten in the way yet. >See if the Green B*tch ever lets you in... How about if I apologize? She's such a lovable car. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:50:15 Message Number 8459 > Also, about the Animation festival: I'm going next weekend, on the >night of the Eighth. Well, I know I'll be going on the 8th w/ Roy and Mark (via Lakeland, no less). I assume I'll see you there... =========== From: RUFUS To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/03/90 13:52:56 Message Number 8460 "Half-cocked" and "Other Thoughts" sound like some good names. Or "JonBoy and the Biohazards." =========== From: SPELLWIND To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/03/90 14:07:41 Message Number 8461 Band on the run! Hahahahahaha! =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: mMIDI Date & Time: 09/03/90 17:54:12 Message Number 8463 The CD's dynamic range is so limited because at the time it was difficult to mass-produce CD's that were good enough to provide that sort of information density without errors, and the error detection and correction algorithm the CD player uses isn't all that sophisticated. Result: wasted bits (like 4 bits from every 14-bit word are there for error detection) and loss of dynamic range. They coulda fixed the problem by making the disc store less music, but Sony wanted one disc to be able to record all of Beethoven's 5th Symphony, for bizzare reasons concerning Japan's almost religious fascination with that piece. (This bit of knowledge isn't as apocryphal as it sounds; I got it from one of Radio Shack's tech manuals on their first CD player.) It's easy to see why the CD's are so outrageously overpriced. At the time they first came onto the market, there was exactly one company making CD blanks in quantities large enough to supply the major labels. As a result, the blanks (and finished CD's) were very expensive. Later, when people started realizing just how phenomenally the CD was catching on, the record companies realized that a sixteen-buck price tag didn't seem to bother anyone all that much, so they kept the price artificially high. It's actually cost-effective to sell CD's at the same price you'd sell tapes for, but nobody wants to do it as long as people are willing to pay almost twice as much for 'em... =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Cat house? Date & Time: 09/03/90 18:00:55 Message Number 8464 >Maybe the cold logic of the computer is in antipathy to poetry... Nuts to that! They're both an art form. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: made in USA Date & Time: 09/03/90 18:03:26 Message Number 8465 >[The Japanese] were slapped on the pee-pee for ruining the US semi- >conductor industry...particularly DRAMS... Funny thing there. Good ol' Ronnie "Nuke 'Em All" Reagan responded to pressure from Texas Instruments (and others) in regards to the Japanese undercutting US RAMs, and slapped a high tariff on the import RAM to "protect American jobs." Result? The nasty RAM shortage we're all familiar with from a few years back which blew up the price of RAM's so high that a lot of small American computer and electronics companies went under. Net impact on American jobs: about 30,000 more people went jobless than what would have happened if Reagan hadn't gotten so antsy in the first place. (Gods--how many magazine ads have I seen that said "If you're selling DRAM, we're buying...Price and availability subject to DRAM availability...RAM surcharge on some products..." =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/03/90 18:08:11 Message Number 8466 Friday or Saturday nights are good with me for some sort of shindig-- the First Weekly A/R Musicfest, perhaps? :) Weekday evenings fairly late (like after 6ish) are also acceptable. =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: UBAFTM Date & Time: 09/03/90 19:43:34 Message Number 8469 Yes, after 4 hours of playing "Make a BBS from 16 parts," Uncle Bob's Alligator Farm and Tofu Museum is open. That number is: 371-3498 3/12/2400 [Hit return after CD so the modem from hell knows yer baud] Remember, if it ain't Tofu, it's probably better off. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: RUFUS Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/03/90 21:07:45 Message Number 8472 R>"Half-cocked" and "Other Thoughts" sound like some good names. R>Or "JonBoy and the Biohazards". Now, cut that out! Hmmm...thought that last one *does* sound pretty good. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: ALL MUSICIANS Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/03/90 21:25:40 Message Number 8473 Hmmm. I would like to propose a tenative roster for the band: Lead Guitar-- JonBoy Rythm Guitar - The Specialist Bass Guitar - Zot Gnop Keyboard --- ??? (I can play a little but not much) Percussion -- ??? (I have a friend who plays a little) B/U Drums -- Beatle/Spellwind (Should be able to keep a rythm) Brass/Woodwind-??? Any suggestions or volunteers? I dunno who else wants to join or even anyone else who can play. Note that this roster is **Tentative**! Also, did I miss any instruments that someone out there can play? All who want to perform, RESPONDEZ VOUS SIL VOUS PLAIT! Also, where we gonna rehearse? =========== From: OMNI To: *.* Subject: .... Date & Time: 09/03/90 21:36:03 Message Number 8474 At the moment that the girrafe and the babbon leave the bar, another patron enters. He stops at the doorway, adjusting his multifaceted eyes to the light, and walks to the bar. Xon responds to his wave after a few minutes. "Do you have any drinks which are not alcohol based?" the patron asks in a high thin voice. Xon nods, and says "Anything in particular you need?" "No," it responds. "How about some fruit juice?" Xon nods and retreats to the room behind the bar. Youg looks to the commotion and studies it intently, paying particular attention to the injured man with the trashed coat. It is apparent from the condition of the bar that the assassin robot did not accomplish it's assigned mission. Though Youg's face cannot imply emotion, he is experiencing a mix of irritablity and anxiety. "Here's your drink," says a voice behind him. He turns and takes the drink. "That'll be six pieces," says Xon. Youg reaches into a pocket and pulls out a ten piece. "Here," and throws it on the counter. Internal alarms are silenced by the imbibement of the fruit juice. A message sounds in his brain... "Phagocytic index normal." "One more thing...do you have any communication devices here?" =========== From: ANTIC FREDDY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/03/90 22:17:08 Message Number 8476 well.. i see you have 2 allready, but i play a mean guitar... rhythm and/or lead... =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/03/90 22:24:00 Message Number 8477 YNG>To quote the Bay City Rollers ( ghod, who ever thought I'd be doing YNG>that? ) Good question!!! Ummm has it been an Ok weekend for you. Y'know, too much sun can make one halucinate and in extreme cases delirium sets in... =========== From: JONBOY To: RUFUS Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/03/90 22:32:22 Message Number 8478 R>Someone know if there is some silly age restriction for this place? Hell no! The place is crawlin with rug-rats early on about 5:00 to 6:00 The families usually leave about 7:00 or so. This place is more like a tavern than a bar OR a restaraunt. =========== From: JONBOY To: RUFUS Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/03/90 22:35:12 Message Number 8479 Friday or Saturday sounds good to me. So far three Saturdays from now seems to be the one that most people can make. No age restriction and I would like to point out that it apparently has gone over most folks heads that on one hand the musical people wanna get together and on the other - just a general get-together Specialist is right - we need to get together someplace "offline" to see what we sound like. No sense in assulting innocent people with aural torture. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: CD's Date & Time: 09/03/90 22:39:46 Message Number 8480 The thing that really slays me about CD hype is the 4..N x oversampling. What a load! The oversmapling is there also for tracking infornmation and is consulted ONCE at the start. I had a guy try to tell me (I *love* playing stupid with smartass salesmen and then taking them out ) that the oversampling was for "more samples means that it reads more of the music off the disc". Oh boy - yesterday I couldn't spell oversampling... =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: made in USA Date & Time: 09/03/90 22:45:01 Message Number 8481 T> T>Result? The nasty RAM shortage we're allfamiliar with... Well, it was a case of shooting long after the duck flew over. All but two manufacturers of DRAMS had called it quits when the action was taken. It would be interesting to speculate on what would have happened three years earlier... =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: friends Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:00:04 Message Number 8485 The idea of marriage in the context of a society in which 50 to 75% of all marriages fal within five years, and one in which you can go down to the local office supply store and pick up a pad of fifty do-it-yourself divorce forms (NO JOKE) is obviously an ideal that's no longer terribly relevant in that society. The /ideals/ behind marriage (ie, commitment to another individual) are still perfectly valid, and there are some non-idealistic (ie, economic) reasons for two people to get married, but the act itself clearly has little value in a society that takes marriage as lightly as this one does. I also have other problems with the idea--it seems to me that a lot of people conside their spouse almost as their property, which bothers me immensely. It also seems to me that to many people the one overriding concern to a marriage isn't anything as idealistic as a loving commitment or anything as practical as the creation of a stable platform from which to build a family--it's sex, pure and simple. Most people will /claim/ that sex is not the most important part of a relationship, or the most important aspect of love, but sexual infedility will destroy a marriage with amazing swiftness. Kinda like saying "No, sex isn't the reason I love you, but if you perform a sexual act I dis- approve of consider the love part null and void." Manifest Bullshit (tm) that be...anyway, I'll stop ranting now before I REALLY get going. =========== From: TURTLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:08:17 Message Number 8486 >Diehard Iron Maiden fan(I HATE Somewhere in Time)... That's because you're brain-damaged, boy. Somewhere in Time is one of Maiden's best albums--"Caught Somewhere in Time," "Stranger in a Strange Land," and "Wasted Years" are all excellent songs. I also like the albums "Powerslave" and "Piece of Mind," and "Seventh Son..." has some good tunes on it as well (the best being "Infinite Dreams"). =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:12:29 Message Number 8487 >I only have an electric wazoo. You mean they make /mechanical/ FIDO handshaking protocols? For what, the Difference Engine? I didn't know WaZOO had been ported over to any of Babbage's machines... =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: friends Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:14:34 Message Number 8488 Marriage, as I said, does have some value when you consider it as a platform from which to raise a family. However, it's rather easy to sire children out of wedlock, now, isn't it? Where's your "level playing field" in that case? In a time where sexual intercourse out- side of wedlock was a rare occurance, marriage served precisely the function you describe. In a society where sex outside of wedlock is more common than sex within wedlock, marriage is no longer likely to serve this purpose; clearly, something else is needed. I am all for a system which obligates a male to behave responsibly if he should father children; however, increasingly often marriage isn't that system. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Shorts Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:18:44 Message Number 8489 >Oooh, shake, shake... >"Thtop! You mithcreant! Theath and dethistht!..." I know of at least one bisexual individual who has earned seven black belts in seven unrelated martial arts. He was jumped one evening by three "racially disturbed youth" (read: gang members) in one of Ft. Myers' seedier neighborhoods one evening; all three of 'em ended up in the hospital, one in intensive care. He suffered a broken toe on his left foot when he kicked one of his opponents. Not all gays match your stereotype. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Rules of.. Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:21:58 Message Number 8490 >Gun proliferation! We have that already, don't we? >Nuclear power plants! I'd be all for 'em if the people who build and run 'em knew their ass from a hole in the ground. I used to be a /very/ fanatic nuclear power advocate; the thing that made me a little more cautious is our very own Crystal River plant. You seen the sort of dipshits who are responsible for that place? I wouldn't let these people park my car! 'Course, it also doesn't help that the people who design the goddamn things generally failed outta grade school. I read one report (issued by the Nuclear Regulatory Agency, natch) that complained the control rooms in most nuclear power plants are so badly designed that they'll put controls fifteen feet away from displays that correspond to those controls, stupid shit like that. Add that to a general reluctance on the part of utility companies to invest i things like fast/slow breeder pairs and plants fueled by ceramic fuel rods (you can't get a meltdown in such a plant; cooling fails and the whole thing just sits there without doin' squat but the rods cost twice as much as conventional fuel rods so nobody's interested) and you got a Godawful mess. =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:30:45 Message Number 8491 "JonBoy and the Biohazards".../like/ it! It's got this ring... =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:32:34 Message Number 8492 >...did I miss any instruments that someone out there can play? Depends how you define "play," I guess. I used (read: USED) to mess around with drums, but it's been 'bout five years since I even so much as touched a drum kit... =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: CD's Date & Time: 09/03/90 23:35:11 Message Number 8493 "more samples means that it reads more of the music off the disc." I LOVE it! How come I never get any salespeople like that?? In CD's defense, though, I will say one thing about the media: it exhibits graceful degredation, which you can't get from an analog medium. Take an LP and wipe out some of the information on it, you get a really obnoxious POP! when you hit the damaged area. CD's store contiguous samples non-contiguously and can extrapolate to fill in errors, so if you start losing information you get a smooth inter- polation and no hideous noise. 'Course, a typical CD player will register about a thousand errors (not necessarily non-recoverable) a minute on a good day, and I've heard of players notching up five thousand read errors per minute...seems like the medium coulda used some work before it hit the market, hmm? =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/04/90 02:31:11 Message Number 8499 YES! YES! no (WINCE) =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: JONBOY Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/04/90 02:33:22 Message Number 8500 YEEE HAW Halleluja and pass the ammunition! Of course, some people play their voice better than others. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: TURTLE Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/04/90 02:35:30 Message Number 8501 Actually, it should take several attempts at listening to a song to get the full effect. You can't just hear a song once or twice and be able to immediately make a sound judgement as to its value. You should listen once for the melody, once or twice for the lyrics, a couple of times for the individual instruments, and once for the over all affect. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: JONBOY Subject: HI!!!! Date & Time: 09/04/90 03:10:19 Message Number 8502 WHERE WHERE WHERE is this "Dog House"????? Sounds like Heaven with an amp. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: RUFUS Subject: cat Date & Time: 09/04/90 03:17:55 Message Number 8503 I thought CRT was Cheerfully Ridiculous Tennis shoes? How about a happy medium: Charmingly Repulsive Tennis shoes! =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/04/90 04:13:29 Message Number 8504 CPU>I haven't seen a mouth harp in ages. I've got one... and I'm damn good with it, too. =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/04/90 13:13:19 Message Number 8505 TS> Uncle Sam is a belt and suspenders man. Let's hope he doesn't forget shirt and pants. C.P.U. =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Green b*tch Date & Time: 09/04/90 13:16:06 Message Number 8506 CPU>See if the Green B*tch ever lets you in... R>H ow about if I apologize? She's such a lovable car. Hmph. Ask her, not me. And don't blame me if she slams the trunk door on you. (Yup -- it's happened before.) Anyway, how's the van doing? CPU =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/04/90 13:20:23 Message Number 8507 JonBoy and the Biohazards? Sounds hideous. We'll take it. CPU =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/04/90 13:21:30 Message Number 8508 GROWL!!!!! You forgot about the unicorn!!! HMPH! After being one of the ones to push for it... Can you use another rhythm guitar? (I'm more trained in classical, but...) Woodwinds: clarinet. I can fake some keyboards, too... (but I can't supply 'em.) the peeved CPU =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/04/90 13:26:57 Message Number 8509 >I didn't know WaZOO had been ported over to any of Babbage's >machines... Not Babbage's machine. Turing's. =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: ZOT GNOP Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/04/90 13:33:49 Message Number 8510 CPU>I haven't seen a mouth harp in ages. ZG>...I'm damn good with it. By the way, how the heck do you manage to fit 88 strings into your mouth? :) CPU Seriously, I've played around with it a bit, but I'm not good. =========== From: MAX To: TURTLE Subject: CD's Date & Time: 09/04/90 13:44:57 Message Number 8511 According to a recent issue of "High Fidelity" and an article on CD players, your "1000 errors a minute" for a typical CD player is high by an order of magnitude for a disc that's in good condition. > seems like the medium coulda used some work before it hit the market, > hmm? And what would you propose? In real-world conditions, any medium is going to suffer wear and tear far beyond any ideal... CDs, or whatever medium you are talking about, are going to be mishandled, scratched, left out of the case, dropped and occasionally abused in ways far too horrible for someone who respects music to contemplate. I still don't think there's any PRACTICAL alternative to compact discs with superior sound reproduction and significantly less susceptibility to real world problems. DATs don't cut it, and won't unless the recording industry changes its collective mind (?) and supports the format as strongly as they are doing with CDs; since the DAT and CD sampling rate are deliberately incompatible, a recording of a CD on a DAT is going to be about the same quality as a metal tape recorded on a Dolby C/HX Pro deck, on a medium that's twice as expensive. The format that will replace CDs isn't here yet -- and as I said before, I think we'rea already approaching the "point of mootability," the level of fidelity where doubling the resolution, frequency response, etc. won't matter unless you're sitting in an acoustically perfect sound laboratory or, in some cases, unless you're a computer. The difference between a 30,000 KHz high end and a 60,000 KHz one is, unless you're a dog, a moot point. =========== From: YNGLING To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/04/90 16:21:55 Message Number 8512 Chip, >America DOES have some oil of its own. Ah, but does she have enough to supply her friends? Remember, its like my mother used to tell me when I was a little The Yngling, "If you dont have enough to share, don't get it out." Seriously, I think you are intelligent enough to understand the social and economic upheaval that would be experienced WORLDWIDE if any one man/government gained control of such a large portion of the World's oil supply. This conflict is /not/ centered on the price of gas up at Starvin' Marvin's - it is an attempt to prevent the decimation of the economies of nearly every major industrialized nation on the planet. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/04/90 16:36:24 Message Number 8513 I volunteer to be the designated drinker for all rehearsals and/or performances ( its a dirty job but....) The Yngling =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/04/90 17:44:35 Message Number 8515 >The place is crawlin with rug-rats early on... Errr, okay. But I really despise rug-rats, and small children in general. JonBoy, I'd jump on Turtle's shell about him copying that show for you...he's got the tapes... =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/04/90 17:46:15 Message Number 8516 >No sense in assulting innocent people with aural torture. Why not? =========== From: RUFUS To: JONBOY Subject: CD's Date & Time: 09/04/90 17:47:28 Message Number 8517 >I had a guy try to tell me that the oversampling was for "more samples >means that it reads more of the music off the disc". So that's why I never hear any lyrics on my CDs. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Green b*tch Date & Time: 09/04/90 17:55:27 Message Number 8518 > Anyway, how's the van doing? Oh, we sold the van. We are now the proud owners of a Dodge Paganmobile (read Dodge Ram Charger). Sure, it gets 15 miles to the gallon, 20 on the highway, but at least the seats don't tilt, and I've seen better suspension on some rocks. It's not a bad car, but there are so many little flaws in it...sheesh. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/04/90 17:57:59 Message Number 8519 >By the way, how the heck do you manage to fit 88 strings into your >mouth? You've never seen Zot's mouth, have you? ....you should see him play the mouth pipe organ. =========== From: SPELLWIND To: TURTLE Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/04/90 18:14:00 Message Number 8520 A FEW (couple) of the songs were OK, but the rest stunk bull. Trivia: The name of the first lead singer in Iron Maiden...? =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/04/90 19:49:12 Message Number 8522 Thanks for the vocab. In today's world, where everything that is technical has three times as many names as the inventors, it helps to know that someone can tell what they're talking about... =========== From: BEATLE To: JONBOY Subject: Nuke Kids Date & Time: 09/04/90 19:54:29 Message Number 8523 Well, yer real close. The official story (from every Beatle) was that John's first son, Julian, did a drawing of a schoolmate, Lucy, and said it was "Lucy in the sky with diamonds." Lennon was picking sources from all over at that point. Another song on "Sgt. Pepper" was taken pretty much from an antique circus poster. That story is the second most mentioned Beatle fact. The other one (at least in my expierence) is John Lennon's appology for his "bigger than Christ" statement. I can quote that. =========== From: BEATLE To: SPELLWIND Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/04/90 20:05:23 Message Number 8524 > Band on the run! Ha! I like that. It fits in with the chaos of the messages, doesn't it .... =========== From: BEATLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/04/90 20:08:42 Message Number 8525 I'd just like to sit in and see some good live music or jamming... I would, however, like a chance to TRY drumming. I've only been behind a REAL set (had a cheap toy one for years) once in my life, but I beat out rhythms constantly on anything available. And some others will say I also make incessantly annoying (supposed) drum imitations with my mouth. I've also been known to play my chest and belly. :) =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/04/90 20:15:41 Message Number 8526 > "JonBoy and the Biohazards".../like/ it! I think that /definitely/ be it. I think it just sounds neat when you say it, and it's controversial too... =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/04/90 20:23:56 Message Number 8527 > Errr, okay. But I really despise rug-rats, and small children in > general. You don't seem too enthusiastic about this. Do you really think these rug-rats are going to take to you, though? =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/04/90 20:25:24 Message Number 8528 >> No sense in....aural torture. > Why not? I'm all for aural torture... let's do it!! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: ANTIC FREDDY Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/04/90 21:38:16 Message Number 8529 It's up to JonBoy...he is de facto the leader of the band. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Rules of.. Date & Time: 09/04/90 21:44:25 Message Number 8530 Now cut that out! I was trying to get back at odds with you! Oh, I know! Bash Homos! Bash Homos! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/04/90 21:45:59 Message Number 8531 T>I used...to mess around with drums, Can you play? Yes, or no...can you play? (Keep a beat with all for the general purpose of maintaining the background rhythm?) Nothing complicated, if you can't hang we can get someone else. Not that *I* have any say, I believe that JonBoy is the Band leader. (By default.) =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/04/90 21:53:24 Message Number 8534 CPU>Let's hope he doesn't forget shirt and pants. Cute, real cute. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/04/90 21:54:27 Message Number 8535 CPU>Can you used another rhythm guitar? That's up to JonBoy (defacto Leader of the Biohazards). CPU>Woodwinds: Clarinet...I can fake some keyboards, too...(but I can't CPU>supply 'em.) I dunno what they have there in the way of Keyboards...JB? HEY! All this talk about MIDI and none of us have actually thought to bring a MIDI system to play! I have a freind...maybe he'll let us borrow his MIDI setup...hmmmm....bears investigation. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: YNGLING Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/04/90 21:59:03 Message Number 8536 YNG>I volunteer to be the designated drinker... Wow. Y'know, I don't believe that we have filled that position yet. I vote in favor (strongly!) on your behalf...but (as always) it's up to JonBoy. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: SPELLWIND Subject: Really? Date & Time: 09/04/90 22:05:26 Message Number 8537 SW>I wish I were born in Japan. Not too late, you know. Emmigrate. Bye. Don't forget to forget to write. Have fun learning Japanese. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: MAX Subject: Wyverns Den Date & Time: 09/04/90 22:06:52 Message Number 8538 So, like, when will Xon answer OMNI? =========== From: THRUD To: ALL Subject: bears Date & Time: 09/04/90 22:27:30 Message Number 8539 midi.....bears investigation.......hmmm, Gjolp wants to know if somebody was paging her - she's is in fact the Chief Bear Investigator in these parts. =========== From: THRUD To: ZOT GNOP Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/04/90 22:36:02 Message Number 8541 Ok, ya listen to a tune half a dozen times to fully appreciate it. But how many times do you watch a video to catch a cleavage shot? Answer - as many times as it takes. Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: RUFUS Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/04/90 22:51:09 Message Number 8542 Aural torture, as long as it's spelled properly, is perfectly acceptable in most states. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/05/90 00:17:54 Message Number 8544 JB> No sense in assaulting innocent people with aural torture. No such thing as an innocent. I say let 'em WRITHE!!!!! =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: ALL Subject: Bleedin' Weird Date & Time: 09/05/90 00:42:03 Message Number 8545 The dwarf looks up into the bewildered insurance salesman's face. "ZOT! WHERE !?!" He looks around desperately as if to locate some imagined foe. "Oh. Oh yeah, me. Well, uh... So Ruf, how ya been?" Suddenly perplexed by his old friend's odd behavior, Rufus barely notices the giraffe and baboon that have chosen this moment to enter the bar. "Ghods, Zot! How did you get here? I thought you had been killed when that Vogon ship exploded." "It's...er...a long story. I'll tell ya bout sometime, eh." Zot answers vaguely. Looking around again, this time taking a better look at his surroundings, Zot gives forth a long low whistle. "These are some WEIRD bleedin' dudes in dis joint!" Spying the giant, Zot exclaims, "Hey, get a load of the BIG guy! He's like somethin outta THOR." "By the way, is it always so violent in here? I was under the impression that firearms and energy weapons were tabboo on this hunk of rock." Rufus is about to suggest a hasty withdrawal to avoid any more mention of high tech paraphernalia around the authorities, when his attention is drawn to the strange noise emenating from Zot's long black bag. It starts at the edge of his senses, almost imperceptible, like a gnat buzzing around his ear. But soon it grows to very audible proportions. So audible, in fact, that soon several other patrons of the bar hear it too. A high pitched whine that sounds vaguely familiar, yet also very alien. However, it is not just a solid tone. Slight changes in pitch and vibrato soon become apparent, until a definite melody is at last achieved. Turtle listens intently, head cocked to one side. "That sounds a lot like an intro to a Metallica song I know." "No its not. Its an ancient mariner's song. I'd recognize it anywhere." "You're both wrong. It is that song which the Valkyries sing as they ride to a battle." =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: ALL Subject: The Song Date & Time: 09/05/90 01:19:13 Message Number 8546 It appears that everyone hears a different melody. And not just any melody, but one which has special significance to each individual. To every one who can hear it, the song tells of home and of longing and of loneliness. Yet....it has no words, just a melody. A simple melody. With a swift fluid motion, accompanied by a loud curse, Zot flings the bag over everyones' heads and into the far corner of the bar. "DAMN YOUR MISERABLE STRINGS!!! I told you not to do that in public! Now I suppose I'm gonna be asked to play for you all. Play my MAGNIFCENT instrument." The words are dripping with sarcasm and rage. "Well nothing doing! I ain't goin near that thing til it learns to behave in public." With that, Zot goes up to the bar and yells, "Gimme somethin' with LOTS of alcohol in it. And bring the whole bottle!" =========== From: BIG LEW To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/05/90 09:57:11 Message Number 8553 Well, if you find out where it is and y'all get together, will you let me know? I don't play, but would love to join in the fun! =========== From: BIG LEW To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 09/05/90 10:05:30 Message Number 8554 I love David Sanborn's "real" music - the things he can do with that sax But, I agree with you 100% - I have been real disappointed in the last year or so! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Animalism! Date & Time: 09/05/90 12:17:40 Message Number 8555 But my friendly Unicorn...where would you of gone? I know if you let a child feel they made the decision to do something (wheither or not they freely decided) they really get involved in what they're doing. It's just like the commercial "Don't let them know it good for them." Maybe we should make high grades illegal or something, then kids might get them just to be "cool" or something.... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: JONBOY Subject: Wilmington Date & Time: 09/05/90 12:21:33 Message Number 8556 Sounds great!!!! Let's say we meet at the south end of Oleander Blvd this Saturday around 6am to get an early start . Man oh man what times they was......why aren't they like that here???....oh well =========== From: YNGLING To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/05/90 15:17:52 Message Number 8558 >I vote in favor (strongly!) on your behalf... *sniff* I want to thank everyone responsible for bestowing this great honor upon me and I promise to do my best not to let any of you down. And in the spirit of my new position, I'd just like to say: Set 'em up, bartender! :) The Yngling =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: The Band Date & Time: 09/05/90 16:53:40 Message Number 8560 And, as an added bonus, I have a biohazard symbol which we can scan in at 300 dpi, port over to Page Maker, add some lettering, and make a real big poster. =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/05/90 16:54:44 Message Number 8561 >You don't seem too enthusiastic about this. >Do you really think these rug-rats are going to take to you, though? Ohh, I'm not worried about rug-rats anymore. A few warning shots and they usually leave me alone. =========== From: RUFUS To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Wyverns Den Date & Time: 09/05/90 16:57:49 Message Number 8562 >So, like, when will Xon answer OMNI? Ya know what ticks me off? When OMNI sends me 16 letters saying "This is your last chance to renew at these really low, low prices." ...oh, you mean the character on the story board. Oops.. =========== From: RUFUS To: THRUD Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/05/90 16:59:40 Message Number 8563 >But how many times do you watch a video to catch a cleavage shot? >Answer - as many times as it takes. Or get a really good VCR and play it frame by frame. And Hitachi has out this thing that will print color pictures of the TV screen. To bad the resolution is really bad, and it's $800. =========== From: THRUD To: BIG LEW Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/05/90 18:23:43 Message Number 8565 Sounds like Yngling's designated drinker table might be more fun than their jam. Pass the pitcher, and flag down that wench. Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Animalism! Date & Time: 09/05/90 18:25:34 Message Number 8566 Gawd, I've tried to convince my daughter that high grades are cool! She gripes because all her friends are in one group, and she's stuck with the uncool ones - in a faster track. Tough to convince a kid that there are reasons for school besides socializing....durn, I figured it out by the time I was 26..... Thrud =========== From: THRUD To: RUFUS Subject: omni Date & Time: 09/05/90 18:30:27 Message Number 8567 ......and they tell ya your subscriptions about to run out whe oops...when you have nine months left on it. What really slays me is a notice I got from PC Computing 4 months before my sub ran out, stating that if I didn't renew NOW, I'd probly miss an issue because they couldn't print address labels in time! Doncha think somebody in the editorial dept would tell the folks in the sub dept that the PC Computing readerbase might see thru that? Even if we are a bunch of dirty low down rotten MS-DOS users. THRUD =========== From: THRUD To: RUFUS Subject: inane lyrics Date & Time: 09/05/90 18:35:40 Message Number 8568 ya, pause feature on my VCR makes the picture much to fuzzy....next time I'll instruct my mother to spend much more on my Christmas present. =========== From: THRUD To: ALL Subject: spouses (spice? Date & Time: 09/05/90 18:38:45 Message Number 8569 Do yall catch a lot of grief over the time ya spend on the boards? When I got started, it was "Shush, dads busy" or "Honey, I hate to bug ya...." But lately they act like I'm sittin here doing nothing. Jeez, I hate to tie up the line while my wife tells me about what some dizzo did at the bank, but I can't tell her to shut up, but I really want to Read&Post, but.....do yuz know what I mean? I've cut down a lot....don't play any games, just do the message thing..... I think my wife is jealous of my computer.... Thrud =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: YNGLING Subject: Laws of... Date & Time: 09/05/90 19:04:08 Message Number 8570 >I think you're intelligent enough to understand the social and >economic upheaval that would be experienced WORLDWIDE if any one >man/government gained control of such a large portion of the World's >oil supply. Thanks. But, I'm noticing that no other nation in the world is as firmly entrenched in this battle than the U.S. Do they know something we don't? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: BEATLE Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/05/90 19:11:10 Message Number 8571 >Do you really think these rug-rats are going to take to you, though? Ya never know. Even O.E.M. (the very alternate band I've belonged to...) had its fan club. (Once met one of the members of it outside the band. He didn't recognize me, but he told me about this "really neat band at the Main Street Book Shop." I recognized him. For the days of O.E.M., where three's a crowd, and four's an audience.) Chip P. Unicorn I can imagine Rufus taking a liking to one of them, and showing it off to his parents: "He followed me home. Can I keep him?" =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Really? Date & Time: 09/05/90 19:15:43 Message Number 8572 >Have fun learning Japanese. ! / \ ! ---- - ! ----- / / - ! ! ---- - // / \ Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Animalism! Date & Time: 09/05/90 19:21:19 Message Number 8574 >Maybe we should make high grades illegal or something, then kids might >get them just to be "cool" or something... I can imagine the psychology now. Mother: Didn't we bring you up right? What did we do wrong? Father: It's not as if we ask for much. Mother: And don't you love us? Child: Well, yes but -- Mother: Then act like it! Show us some respect. Father: It's not just the report card. Mother: Although that could use some help... Father: I'm glad to see you at least made a 'C' in history. Mother: But four A's and two B's?!? Child: Well, I guess... Father: But what really gets me is your rebellion. Mother: Acting nice to your sister! Cleaning up after yourself! Why when I was a child, I tied my sister to the hot water heater at least once a month! Father: Calm down. Now, Jeder, it's not the music you listen to. Mother: Those hideous groups! With such strange names and instruments! Bach! Tschicovsky! John Cage! Father: Well, you know you could listen to something a bit more, ummm... modern. Child: But I don't like... Mother: You don't like?!? You don't like?!? That's just like you! All you think about is yourself! You never think of others! Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: THRUD Subject: spouses (spice? Date & Time: 09/05/90 19:33:08 Message Number 8575 >I think my wife is jealous of my computer. Computer modeming is an addiction. (Hell -- if it's good enough for a defense attorney to win a case, it's sure good enough for here!) It's a good way for introverts (like many of us are) to hide behind our screens -- and yet meet people. But -- real flesh and bones is better. Spend more time with your wife -- or, like I did with my filly, get her addicted as well. (Tell her it won't show up in any blood sample.) Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: RAVEN To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: spouses (spice? Date & Time: 09/05/90 20:16:45 Message Number 8576 >-- or, like I did with my filly, get her addicted as well. (Tell her it >won't show up in any blood sample.) Or keep handing her information, gifs, . . . etc. so that she gets something useful out of that time. (also get a second line). Sure you still get griped at, but not as often, and not as much. -R- (and you don't feel as guilty about it) =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/05/90 20:50:13 Message Number 8579 >Not Babbage's machine. Turings. Yes, you got me. I goofed. The Difference Engine was Turing's; I should /know/ that. Now I feel dumb... ...but hey, I bet Bo doesn't know his computer pioneers! =========== From: TURTLE To: MAX Subject: CD's Date & Time: 09/05/90 20:52:29 Message Number 8580 I agree that CD's offer the best currently available sound reproduction under real-world conditions; I was simply pointing out that not only are they not perfect, by today's standards of digital recording they're not that good. If the media were being developed today, I suspect we'd end up with something about on par with current CD technology pricewise, with significantly better sound reproduction and higher resolution. Un- fortunately, 'tain't gonna happen what with all the market support already lined up behind the CD. (This whole conversation got started as a result of Beatle's question, "You mean there really is better-than-CD- quality technology?" The answer is, Yes, there is.) =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Rules of.. Date & Time: 09/05/90 20:57:54 Message Number 8581 >Bash homos! Bash homos! I agree. That homogenized milk, nasty stuff. If Nature intended for milk to be homogenized, cows'd have attachments for paint shakers. =========== From: TURTLE To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/05/90 20:58:52 Message Number 8582 >Can you play? Yes, or no...can you play? Well..a reserved yes'd be in order. The reservations are: I've never played with a group before--t'was always just by meself--and I haven't done it in a number of years, and therefore have no idea as to whether that's the type of knowin' what sticks with you fer a long time. =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/05/90 21:10:51 Message Number 8585 >Even O.E.M...had its fan club. But they weren't very good at it--both of 'em had to be home by 9. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: THRUD Subject: Co-habitators Date & Time: 09/05/90 21:22:17 Message Number 8586 Yup... I know what you mean! I got rid of mine because she wouldn't let me get on the boards as much as I wanted. Selfish? You bet your ass! Listening to her bitch wasn't worth it! So... SSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEYA!! "Heartless Asshole" and "I Wish You'd Pay More Attention to Me" are trademarks of Typical Women, Inc. Any use here is in thier most common sense. Patent Pending. =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: TURTLE Subject: Rules of.. Date & Time: 09/05/90 21:30:22 Message Number 8587 Dammit, I said STOP THAT!!! =========== From: THE SPECIALIST To: JONBOY Subject: Drummer Date & Time: 09/05/90 21:32:39 Message Number 8588 I think we have got ourselves a drummer...now if we can just lure a Turtle from it's shell... Perhaps you should hold auditions. You have several guitar players to choose from, a couple of drummers, a pair of kinda-keyboardists, and even a clarinet player! What do you think? =========== From: ANTIC FREDDY To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: The Band (JB&B) Date & Time: 09/05/90 22:06:41 Message Number 8589 Do i know him??? =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: RUFUS Subject: dog house? Date & Time: 09/06/90 02:33:16 Message Number 8597 Don't your warning shots usually include removing a limb? Personally, I prefer to warn them away with a toddler-head on a stick. It serves as an example of what will happen if they get too close. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: THRUD Subject: spouses (spice? Date & Time: 09/06/90 02:36:46 Message Number 8598 Just tell her that it's only a fling and that she's one you REALLY love. I'm sure that the female logic circuits will override her desire to beat the crap out of you after you tell her that. =========== From: ZOT GNOP To: THE SPECIALIST Subject: Drummer Date & Time: 09/06/90 02:42:19 Message Number 8599 I say we use everybody. Just think of the impact of 4 rythm guitarists two lead guitarists, two drummers, two keyboardists, a clarinet, a kazoo and a mouth harp all goin' at once. We could call our first album "Entropy" or "Chaos Dogs from Hell's Off Ramp" =========== From: SPELLWIND To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Really? Date & Time: 09/06/90 14:23:09 Message Number 8600 Konichiwa-Chip-san. Japanese is not that hard to learn, written or spoken. I've already started to learn......Hmmm--does this mean I'm a natural born business-man? ===========