From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: Personal? Date & Time: 03/29/90 23:22:33 Message Number 3252 Hmmm...exactly how many people do you know who want Mac's? I know it's off the subject...my mind wanders easily I guess. T =========== From: TURTLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Cat & <> Date & Time: 03/30/90 03:39:28 Message Number 3254 >...Cat Stevens (though he's turned Arab...) Actually, he's turned Muslim, and in his particular case /I/ have something against him. It really annoys me that the man who wrote music like "Sad Lisa" was quoted in Newsweek as saying Salman Rushdie deserved to be murdered in the most henious way possible for his book "The Demonic Verses" and that all non-Muslims are damned. He has become everything I despise in people, and I have lost every shred of respect I ever had for him. --A baffled and appalled Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: critters Date & Time: 03/30/90 03:44:18 Message Number 3255 >I wonder if Turtle ever hates himself... No. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: CP/M Date & Time: 03/30/90 03:47:05 Message Number 3256 >I have *** Tons *** of CP/M stuff... Really? --An attentive Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: ANGEL Subject: How-to classes Date & Time: 03/30/90 03:49:39 Message Number 3257 >If there's a way to find fun and profit in kink, I'll think of it. The fun part is obvious. Perhaps you should have said "if there's a way to find profit in it..."?? =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: critters Date & Time: 03/30/90 10:15:47 Message Number 3260 >I just wrote a reply but aborted it accidentally.... Better not let the pro-lifers hear that [sorry, totally tasteless, but it had to be said] >"If not that, then what? You know, I can't even remember. ARRRRRGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!! I forgot the shoelace! DAMN!!! =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 03/30/90 10:17:42 Message Number 3261 >What Pine View will be like in 100 years... I figure PV will be self supporting. It'll have a hospital, shopping malls, it's own TV & Radio stations (education, of course). Those who get under a 3.75 will most likely end up at the PV McDonalds, or haul garbage. The administration will be a monarchy. There will be no escape with the really big killer dogs roaming around the 40 story wall that encloses the campus. And you thought your mind was filled with non-sense! Ha! =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Personal? Date & Time: 03/30/90 10:21:28 Message Number 3262 How man people do I know who want Macs. I have no idea how many people want Macs. BTW, why did you ask that?? =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: CP/M Date & Time: 03/30/90 11:12:34 Message Number 3264 Hey, if you have them on any semi-usable MFM disk format, I can probably read them. If you're interested in giving away copies (or even getting odd CP/M stuff back, if you have anything capable of running it now), please let Turtle or me know. If you don't have Z-System, then give either one of us a "ring"--it's a really amazing OS to play around with. =========== From: DONTHEN To: ANGEL Subject: Mythagoras Date & Time: 03/30/90 11:22:42 Message Number 3266 I have a box of them riding around in my car. I was planning to sell them at New College but forgot that this happens to be Spring Break for NC'ers and so almost nobody's around. At any rate, if you'd like two more I can leave them with Turtle, and he can figure out some way to get them to you... =========== From: BEATLE To: ACAPULCO Subject: tape Date & Time: 03/30/90 23:45:12 Message Number 3270 Oh, I dunno, you did a good job leading us to the Super America... =========== From: BEATLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: turtles Date & Time: 03/30/90 23:51:52 Message Number 3271 Wait a sec! I have nothing against Turtles! What did I say? I have a problem sometimes when I don't know what I said when I shouldn't have said it in the first place... =========== From: BEATLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping & Dave Date & Time: 03/30/90 23:53:30 Message Number 3272 You saw Letterman live? Wow! I hope I get to someday... Tyler Robinson wouldn't mind seeing him live eithr... =========== From: ---ROBOTRON--- To: JONBOY Subject: UCSD Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:09:10 Message Number 3274 I'm supprised to here a good review of UCSD! It's the first one I've ever heard. Long ago, when I was fairly new at this I wanted to learn Pascal (knowing only BASIC and having heard of the strong points of Pascal), so I got ahold of the nearest (only) available Pascal package; And I gave it a good try... All in all though, I found it quite irritating. Why should I have to learn a whole new environment (I know because MiSery DOS sucks), when I only wanted to learn a new language??????? Right now, I'm looking foward to learning C++. I use C at work every day, and I like what I've read about ++. I can understand to a certain degree why micro Prologs have to be somewhat stripped down. While I must confess I know very little about the language, what I do know suggests that just to execute a Prolog program requires a great deal of run-time system services, but don't worry....... THE RISC-TRANSPUTERS ARE COMMING!!!! AND BELL LABS JUST DEMONSTRATED THE FIRST OPEN INTERIOR OPTICAL PROCESSOR!!! -------ROBOTRON------- PS: If you want to enlighten me about Prolog I'm ancious to listen. =========== From: ---ROBOTRON--- To: ACAPULCO Subject: LAUGHTER Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:24:30 Message Number 3275 You know what they say about one who laughs in ignorance ? =========== From: ---ROBOTRON--- To: ACAPULCO Subject: IBM ?!?!?!? Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:27:54 Message Number 3276 My machine does multitask when asked nicely; and does it quite well in fact (contrary to documentation). And that is only one of many reasons I CHOOSE to use it. =========== From: ---ROBOTRON--- To: BARTHOLOMEW FOX Subject: IBM ???just big Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:32:42 Message Number 3277 Some times I wonder if I'm the only who thinks big things come in small packages. Abviously I'm not. Thankyou, ------ROBOTRON------ =========== From: ---ROBOTRON--- To: DONTHEN Subject: A good Blasting Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:38:08 Message Number 3278 > NO NO NO, IBM's were not the only machines under $5000 then... I'm glad somebody blasted me on that one. I didn't have my facts straight. I must say though, the only machine in the list you supplied that really has any power (a piece of junk with 512K is sometimes better than a good computer with 16 to 64K) is the TRS Model 16 (which I found out about this week). Are you sure they were available for under $5000 in '81 ? The 68000 itself was still a rare and expensive chip back then. It's too bad things didn't go well for the Model 16; We might all be using 68000 family machines today. -------ROBOTRON------- =========== From: ---ROBOTRON--- To: TURTLE Subject: Hmm... Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:48:51 Message Number 3279 One who dreams of matrices One who sleeps with vector gleams Is it strange when he awakes To ponder what did I dream? ------ rarely poetic:ROBOTRON ------ =========== From: ---ROBOTRON--- To: TURTLE Subject: 1780x1240 Date & Time: 03/31/90 02:56:42 Message Number 3280 WOW was that a Laser printing, or a baby type setter. It's no wonder that one was slow. Think about laying out 8 megs or so of picture data w/out at least a 68020. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: ViSuAlItY Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:09:32 Message Number 3281 Yes....I think I would know. Once again jumpin' to conclusions.....ASS-U-ME U F B-D I-S...... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:13:21 Message Number 3282 Sorry you got a load last week. Such swearing.....I assume there is reason enough to take that shit. Sex on the sand at the beach is 'rough' but taking shit is 'takin' shit'! Keep it cool, 'puters don't make good mates....no matter how many peripherals you have. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: <***> Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:21:06 Message Number 3283 My bites are done with care and sensitivity, NOT with violence. If I have 'started' with you, it was not meant to be the signing of war papers. If looks would kill, I shall of perished ages ago. You appear to be stressed. Take a bottle of good wine, two blue stemmed crystal glasses, a blanket and some cheese down to Venice Beach. Head south on the beach until you find a real secluded spot, sit back, pour some wine, listen to the waves and watch the sun set. Recharges your soul.....(the second glass would be for anyone you feel would compliment the scene). Then we'll talk. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: REMOTE CONTROL Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:27:05 Message Number 3284 At 300 baud, I think I would rather send a letter. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: CARRENTHEON Subject: ROAD RALLY Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:28:30 Message Number 3285 Date : May 5th Start time : 1:00am Start place: Somewhere near DeSoto Road and N. Washington (301) More later...... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BEATLE Subject: REMOTE CONTROL Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:30:47 Message Number 3286 Thank's for the info....others have had problems, too.....I'll pass the word.... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: DONTHEN Subject: Wyvern's Den Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:32:12 Message Number 3287 Think it's still open......check it out if you need work. =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: YNGLING Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:33:21 Message Number 3288 Well, maybe we went to different high schools together. I mean, after all, of all the people I've ever met, you're certainly one of them. (or maybe not). Damn, I wonder if I'm who I thought I might be, or maybe you're who he thought I might be, or I'm who you thought he might be, or maybe I'm getting carried away here........(if he'd say that kind of shit, I want to meet him...maybe we're related). =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: ACAPULCO Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 03/31/90 10:37:38 Message Number 3289 Let's see, a quick run down on my 'concert years', Yes, J.Geils Band, Jethro Tull, Led Zeppelin, Edgar Winter, Johnny Winter, Mother's Finest, Jimmy Buffett, Rolling Stones, Alice Cooper, ZZ Top, ELP, Bachman Turner Overdrive, Aerosmith, The Who, Blue Oyster Cult, Mott the Hoople, Rush, Doobie Brothers, Allman Brothers, Mountain (with Leslie West), Lynyrd Skynyrd, Ted Nugent, Frank Zappa, Deep Purple, Foghat, Black Oak Arkansa , Joan Jett, Eric Clapton, Bob Seger, ELO, Rick Wakeman, Charlie Daniels Band, Eagles, Van Halen, and a few others that I've lost my tick stubs from.......GOOOOOOOOOOOD times.... =========== From: SAURON To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Colorization Date & Time: 03/31/90 12:00:40 Message Number 3290 I've said all I care to on the mundane subject of colorization. As far as flag-burning, I think it's despicable but should be allowed under the law...along with all other acts that don't harm another individual. =========== From: SAURON To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Libertarianism Date & Time: 03/31/90 12:03:20 Message Number 3291 I think you asked how many Snuff films I've seen. answer:none Porno films :many Of course they're separate issues, except in the minds of a few warped persons who equate pain with eroticism. (many of whom seem to be British , for some odd reason) (( a good thing Amelia never calls out)) =========== From: TURTLE To: +ALL+ Subject: System Crash Date & Time: 03/31/90 15:59:13 Message Number 3292 Well, I came home from work last night to find one of those TRSDOS Error on Logical Unit 08: Parity Error During Read things waiting for me, like an IRS auditor or a dead walrus in the refrigerator. Seems that by some mysterious process not yet fully understood by man, a small blob of unidentified sticky substance invaded a disk drive, and promptly proceeded to smear itself all over the message index file, and Beatle logged on and tried to save a message, and the system put the header on top of the little blob, and, well, have you ever seen what happens if you drop a watermelon off a school building onto the pavement? That's kind of what the message base looked like. The system was kind of up this afternoon. Sort of. A little bit. Unfortunately, it kind of forgot where it put a few of the messages...like most of them above #3272. As a result, anybody who read new messages over #3272 probably didn't see all of them...*sigh* Well, anyway, things are kind of back to normal now. Sort of. Didn't even lose any messages...just about four and a half hours of aggravation. Just thought you might like to know. --A frustrated Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: ---ROBOTRON--- Subject: Hmm... Date & Time: 03/31/90 16:11:43 Message Number 3293 Yikes! =========== From: TURTLE To: ---ROBOTRON--- Subject: 1780x1240 Date & Time: 03/31/90 16:12:19 Message Number 3294 >It's no wonder that one was slow. You call three pages a second SLOW? Aaaaaiiiigggghhhh!! (Yeah, that's per /second,/ not per /minute.../ --A paralytic Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 03/31/90 16:16:45 Message Number 3295 >...Rush... ...the culmination of human artistic achievement. =========== From: DONTHEN To: _lost_ Subject: _lost_ Date & Time: 04/24/90 16:52:51 Message Number 3296 I'm pretty sure it was around $4000. As for it being "the only machine on the list with any power," well, it depends. I've seen a lot of applications that do more with a Z80 and 64K than with a 80x86 and 640K; the 68000 programmers don't seem to be as susceptible to such things, but you still get things like 300K 16-bit CPU word processors that don't have any major new features over 30K 8-bit CPU ones. I have nothing against 8-bit CPU's, despite the conventional wisdom that says that I should throw all of them out. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: Leaving Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:28:40 Message Number 3297 Funny you should say that...you'll be happy to know I'm about to go vegitate on the beach. Marriage sucks, m'love...trust ME! =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:29:46 Message Number 3298 Yeah...but it's still BORING! :) =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:30:28 Message Number 3299 I like to HURT him, actually. I love to hear him scream... =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: ANGEL Subject: critters Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:31:07 Message Number 3300 Nice....handcuffs and stuff are more apealing...but, hey, if happy faced bandages do it for you, well.... :) The Lady in... =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: Cat & <> Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:33:29 Message Number 3301 That was kind of what I was getting at, but didn't get the words out right. I hate sounding like a bigot...but you got the idea...and in a well-manner, too. :) =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: critters Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:34:54 Message Number 3302 Oh my...you are worse than I, but that's not hard to accomplish! :) =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:35:31 Message Number 3303 Actually, my mind IS nonsense! I don't believe you actually spent valuable time thinking about Pine View in 100 years. Ugh! Damn you to a hellish place. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RUFUS Subject: Personal? Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:36:47 Message Number 3304 Don't ask me, I told you it was irrelevant. :) =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: BEATLE Subject: turtles Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:38:18 Message Number 3305 :) It's okay, love... =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: BEATLE Subject: sleeping & Dave Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:38:44 Message Number 3306 It was a real neat-o experience. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: ---ROBOTRON--- Subject: UCSD Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:39:16 Message Number 3307 I am a Pascal programmer...I didn't know it had strong points! :> -aren't I evil? The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: ViSuAlItY Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:40:59 Message Number 3308 :> =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 03/31/90 17:41:24 Message Number 3309 Funny, I tend to wonder about my father at times....:> =========== From: ACAPULCO To: BEATLE Subject: tape Date & Time: 03/31/90 18:09:38 Message Number 3310 My point exactly! {Acapulco} =========== From: ACAPULCO To: ---ROBOTRON--- Subject: LAUGHTER Date & Time: 03/31/90 18:10:39 Message Number 3311 I have a strange feeling I _don't_ want to know what they say. Catch me when I'm more cheerful. {Acapulco} =========== From: ACAPULCO To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 03/31/90 18:14:16 Message Number 3312 I saw a few of those... I regret not seeing ELO, as I like their music, and heard they used to put on a very dramatic performance. {Acapulco} =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Cat & <> Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:07:22 Message Number 3314 Actually he said he wasn't sure that he deserved to die but that he upheld whatever the Ayatollah said - now THAT is what I hate and detest in a so-called "sentient" being - blind unquestioning obedience. Yech! Radical independent and free-speaking --==>* JonBoy *<==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: CP/M Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:10:05 Message Number 3315 well - iguess a better measure might be cubic feet & inches --- seriously at least 100 disks. --==>* Jon *<==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: CP/M Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:13:49 Message Number 3316 Lemmee see - most of it is in the Apple CP/M format but I can always drag it out of it's cubbyhole and transfer it over to MSDOS where I can send it out - reason for the strange round trip is no decent term program under CP/M! I have an old Osborne that I never got around to making a "standard" rs232 plug for... but I have a program that can read those floppies - I'll see if I can find my goodie list.... later --==>* JonBoy *<==-- PS Turtle doesn't live too far from where I work... that new humungous white building just north of 301 and Tallevast - that is Hi-Stat and Hurricane Sports. =========== From: JONBOY To: ---ROBOTRON--- Subject: Enlightenment Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:20:25 Message Number 3317 Whaddya wanna know - it's a super datbase with an inference engine attached - it has the interesti ability to "fill-in-the-blanks" with any and all information that fits a given query - math is a pain in the butt. Most Prologs will not allow you to dynamically alter a database - Quintus would allow you to declare the database as DYNAMIC and then you could do neat things. Better to get a book on Prolog and one of the PD versions of the language to play with - there are a few if you have a MSDOS machine. I just picked up a shareware C++ front end for Turbo C. Now if I can squeek some learn time in between fires at work maybe I can use it for this big project I have coming up (like they want it done by June). =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Leaving Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:30:44 Message Number 3318 Glad to hear it! There's a certain section of Cochina Beach that I've been dying to talk a stroll on - I just moved up here last Nov and have not had a chance to really get out like I should. That section of beach looks truly beautimus with a couple of sand spits out a bit like a sheltered tropical cove (Hmmm I gues that's because that's what it IS) Anyway - I agree with the marriage sucks statement - I would be happy with a soul that doesn't feel a need for that sort of possession (which is what I feel is the root of the problem with marriage). But I'm not gonna wear myself out looking so I just busy myself with learning about me - which is a job! and what makes me tick. Funny that I have no maintenance manual to tell me these things but there it is... --==>* JonBoy *<==-- (Lemmee know if you ever want some beach-stroll company - my idea of a relaxing time) =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:38:03 Message Number 3319 Yeah...but it's still BORING! --- - Anyone ever tell you that you have this enviable ability to cut right to the crux (that's the little bone between your ribs and heart!) of the matter? Yep! Booooooooo r ing..... --=={ JonBoy }==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:40:38 Message Number 3320 Whoooooo! Baby! Now THAT's serious - did you take the tip from a few message threads ago and make this B&D "cute" or is it just sordid? (t'would the Black in thy name be attached to a spider p'chance?) JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: critters Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:43:36 Message Number 3321 THIS is the thread I wasa referring to !!!! Do ya Huh? Now are those cuffs the furlined or raw chrome? =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: UCSD Date & Time: 03/31/90 22:45:29 Message Number 3322 I would *KILL* for the ability to have this statement in C.. WITH SomePointer DO I get tired as hell typing in outrageous pointers (a real example here) ch = IO_card->shadowram.DREG->cur_val.last See? Even Pascal has a few good ideas... --==> * JonBoy * <==-- =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: critters Date & Time: 03/31/90 23:20:51 Message Number 3323 >>I wonder if Turtle ever hates himself... >No. Got any tips on not hating myself? =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: System Crash Date & Time: 03/31/90 23:35:37 Message Number 3324 I was wondering what happened!! By the way, I do know what a watermellon looks like dropped off a building. As a matter of fact, I was watching that today. =========== From: BEATLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping & Dave Date & Time: 03/31/90 23:43:27 Message Number 3325 >It was a real neat-o experience. Is that all you can say? I had more to say about a trip to Disney World... Who were the quests on the show you saw? =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: REMOTE CONTROL Date & Time: 03/31/90 23:57:59 Message Number 3326 Yeah...300 is kinda slow. Ugh! 9600 makes for a lot more fun! :) The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: Leaving Date & Time: 04/01/90 00:04:20 Message Number 3327 Hmm...just had a lesson in how my new keyboard works...Ugh! I hate this keyboard...it makes the most annoying little clicking sounds! Oh well.. how was your evening? Mine was on the boring and depressing side, but hey...what can one expect? :) Hmmm....wish I could tell you I knew the end of the beach you are looking for is, but I've no earthly (or heavenly for the matter) idea. :> Well....more later, I guess. :) The Lady In Black =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 04/01/90 00:07:37 Message Number 3328 Great! Life is on the boring side, but if it was exciting all the time, I guess we'd have nothing to live for... The lady in Black =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: JONBOY Subject: UCSD Date & Time: 04/01/90 00:12:37 Message Number 3331 Okay, okay....leave my mind alone. I'm on vacation still and I have about half-dozen programs that I still have to write...UGH! Pascal needs to rot in hell. =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: BEATLE Subject: sleeping & Dave Date & Time: 04/01/90 00:14:17 Message Number 3332 Good question...I slept through most of the show...I went with my boy- friend and we'd been out all night. Ummm...let me think...it was a stupid pet-tricks night, and there was the band, ummm...there was.... s**t, umm...can't think of the guys name, he was a regular for a while.. you know, the one who lived under the stairs! Hmm...the real guest was some actor guy who I didn't recognize...or rather who I slept through. If I could remember names, I could tell you. Ugh!!! If I can ever think I' Ugh! I'll let you know....thinking.... =========== From: RUFUS To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: ROAD RALLY Date & Time: 04/01/90 10:33:41 Message Number 3335 >Date : May 5th Start time : 1:00am Sounds good to me---------------^^^^^^ =========== From: RUFUS To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 04/01/90 10:38:19 Message Number 3336 >Damn you to a hellish place. Please don't remind me I have to return to school on Monday! =========== From: THE DOCTOR To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Libertarianism Date & Time: 04/01/90 11:10:06 Message Number 3337 I think someone (not necessarily you) is confusinobsenity and porno. Killing (again, just a personal opinion...) is obscene, while sex is whatever anyone wants to classify . I consider a lot of things obscene and very few of them would be (to me) pornographic, but then again I'm not exactly a born again kinda guy. Snuff films, and being raised in Los Angeles I've seen my share, are often both.....and incredably distastful as wel. I hpen to think that the death penalty is obscene and un- civilized...... . . . . rwb......a future civilization will really wonder why we called . ourselves civilized..... =========== From: SHADOWSPAWN To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 04/01/90 11:57:49 Message Number 3338 I was rather drunk when I replyed last time. I dont know if I sent the m message or not. To bad I didnt see you last night but there is allways tonight. If you show up Ill be sure to let you know what you did. Since you only cast spells on evil people you must have used a charm on me. Im not evil just a hard working thief.  .(Robin Hood type.) For a little r Now for a little reality, Have you read the Theives world books?  My son  read them and nigave me my handle. SSo I read them and he was right. I look just like they describ Hanses. So now if you see me you w will know me that is if you read the  books.  If you cant tell Im boooooooorrrrreeeed out of my mind. Not a thing to and your the only person that seams to want to reply to my me{sages.. Maybe thats becouse of my speelllling or something. Ok Im felling sorry for myself , Jimmy (son) dosent evan want anything to do with me today. Well thats enough for now. Down in the Dumps Shadow. Shadowspawn =========== From: SHADOWSPAWN To: RUFUS Subject: School Date & Time: 04/01/90 12:23:51 Message Number 3339 Just thought I would remind you that YOU have to go to school tomorrow. Beesides school is a Fun place too sleep. And sleeping is umber three o on my list of things to do. But then I finished school without  learnin g much. Like how to spell. Plus arnt there any nice looking women at sch ool. I found it a lot easier to met people at UsF then I do now. So sto p bitching abought school Its the best years of your life.  A Knave of a Thief Shadowspawn =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: CP/M Date & Time: 04/01/90 12:42:20 Message Number 3340 Ok -- if you can get them onto MS-DOS format it'd be easier, as the two major formats that Montezuma Micro CP/M /doesn't/ know are Apple CP/M and Commodore 128 CP/M, due to the weird disk formats they use. Also the "major" CP/M type formats like Osborne, Kaypro 2/4/10, Ampro, etc. are all readable (and actually easier than either MS-DOS or TRSDOS disks when it comes to transferring them onto our CP/M format). =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: - The BBS - Date & Time: 04/01/90 14:28:50 Message Number 3341 Welp, I'm sure everyone has noticed that my BBS has been down for the past week or so...My computer has broken and I haven't been in town to pick it back up from Computers, Etc!...But I am back, and I /should/ have it back up on Monday or Tuesday.... IN OTHER NEWS -- Remote Control! will be moving to the Amiga /very/ soon What does this mean? It means I'll be running off of Paragon BBS software, which allows me to FIDO...I'd like to know if there are any Furry or Fantasy type echos out there that anyone would like me to hook into if I figure I have enoughj money to do it, that is... REMOTE CONTROL! -[ An MSTF System ]- 813/378-2218 8-N-1-1200 B A C K A F T E R T H I S W E E K E N D ! -=*> Ken Ober <*=- PS -- TURTLE! Set your clock an hour ahead!!!! :) =========== From: YNGLING To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: ROAD RALLY Date & Time: 04/01/90 16:34:27 Message Number 3342 >Start time : 1:00 am 1:00 AM? I hope thats a typo. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 04/01/90 16:36:03 Message Number 3343 Perhaps you were me in a former life? The Yngling =========== From: TURTLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: critters Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:27:08 Message Number 3344 >...handcuffs and stuff are more appealing... Long as they're not those silly padded ones...or the nasty pin-and- sproket kind you see at novelty shops all the time, which have an unfortunate tendency to pop open rather easily. Of course, for convenience, portability, and discreetness, nothing beats a good pair of thumbcuffs. --A discreet Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: UCSD Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:29:53 Message Number 3345 >I am a Pascal programmer...I didn't know it had strong points! Of course Pascal has strong points! Why, for example, it isn't COBOL...that alone must be worth something. And of course EVERYBODY knows strong typing is better than that silly messy undeclared- variable time...it forces you to be conformist, rigid in your thinking, less creative, less spontaneous--all those important things that every good programmer should aspire to. --An assembly Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: CP/M Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:34:09 Message Number 3346 If you can get me the disks in MS-DOS format, I can read 'em directly and save the effort of uploading stuff...of course, I can only get to stuff that's in the root directory, since my transfer program is a really early version that can't reach down into sub-directories. It would be better still if you could get 'em on Kaypro IV, Ampro Little Board, or some other popular CP/M format... --A CP/M Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: UCSD Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:37:35 Message Number 3347 >Even Pascal has a few good ideas... Fortunately, however, Niklaus Wirth realized that fact in time and was able to remove them from Modula-2. --A Wirth-less Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: critters Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:38:30 Message Number 3348 >Got any tips on not hating myself? Just say no. --A helpful Turtle (I could ramble on at great length about making sure you don't have unrealistic expectations about yourself, accepting the fact that you are what you are and that you aren't going to be perfect, or realizing that the only person with any final say about how you feel or what you do is you--and therefore if you don't like something about yourself, you are the ideal candidate to /change it./ But I won't...it would be out of character.) =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: System Crash Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:41:03 Message Number 3349 >As a matter of fact, I do know what a watermelon looks like dropped >off a building. I was watching it today. So was I...unfortunately, I was watching it happen to my message base. That wouldn't be what you were referring to, would it? Or is this one of those weird synchronicity things that follows me around everywhere like an overly affectionate puppy?) --A synchronous Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: THE DOCTOR Subject: Libertarianism Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:44:22 Message Number 3350 >...a future civilization will really wonder why we called ourselves >civilized... Probably not. Civilizations don't really advance; they just replace simple social problems with increasingly complex and ambiguous ones. That seems to be a trend that isn't likely to disappear in the forseeable future. --A social Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: SHADOWSPAWN Subject: Shadows and <> Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:47:01 Message Number 3351 Hanse Shadowspawn was one of the most interesting characters in the early Theives' World books...that's probably why he was one of the first major characters to disappear when the series started going downhill. The books after #4 aren't even worth using as parakeet cage liners. Kind of disappointing, since the first few were so good... --A literate Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: ALL Subject: Damn Reptiles Date & Time: 04/01/90 18:50:14 Message Number 3352 Hey, Turtle, when are you going to set your clock an hour ahead, hmm? =========== From: RUFUS To: SHADOWSPAWN Subject: School Date & Time: 04/01/90 19:29:57 Message Number 3355 >Plus arnt there any nice looking women at school. Errr, none I'd go out with (cept maybe one, CYA, as I say). >Beesides school is a Fun place too sleep. 1) If I sleep in school, I usually miss something. 2) Sleeping at school is difficult with people yelling "Stay awake now." >So stop bitching abought school That wasn't exactly bitching. When I bitch, the whole world will know. >Its the best years of your life. I'll pass judgement when I hit, say, 80 or so. And I'd say I've met just as many good friend out of the school enviroment as I have in. =========== From: RUFUS To: KEN OBER Subject: - The BBS - Date & Time: 04/01/90 19:35:26 Message Number 3356 I know there is a furry echo. That's all I know. I'm sure Donthen or Turtle will see your message and give you specific info like names and where to pick the echos up. Say, will this new software include things like global read and save the messages just a tad bit faster (ducking flying mouse). =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: System Crash Date & Time: 04/01/90 19:38:45 Message Number 3357 RE: High impact watermelons. Didn't David Letterman do that once? Followed by a bag of flour he had set on fire. REAL nice. We should do that some time. =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: relaxed Date & Time: 04/01/90 22:46:48 Message Number 3362 I had to work on a gen-u-swine IBM termional once that felt like it was firing a 50 cal. machine gun everytime you pressed a key - it really shocked my poor nervous system working on that damned thing. My evening has been pretty mundane. Friday nite I went to my best friends house for his birthday party - I took him and his wife to Alvarez at the Quay last nite - then I stayed up till 4 calling my friends and favorite BBS' in California. Downloaded a lot of new stuff - mostly programming stuf. Tonite I had to pay the piper by preparing meals for the coming week (a disadvantage of being single) and cleaning up my mess. I went out side with the intent of playing my 12 string in a cool spot but the neighbors decided to have a domestic squabble. Made me glad and sad in the same moment. Now I'm talking to you (provisionally speaking oops these damned metaphors in the modern media! - of course) and listening to King Crimson. Shortly I will bow to the fact I won't be worth a shit tomorrow if I don't get some sleep and wander off to the couch. Oh yeah I forgot another exciting part of the evening - calculating my moving expenses for taxes (due too soon!) The beach I speak of is right at the bridge between Cochina Beach and Longboat Key. Cochina being south of Bradenton Beach. Sigghhhh - I need to do something fun... any ideas? --==>* JonBoy *<==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Rot Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:01:41 Message Number 3363 Now that brings up several questions: (I love prying***!) On vacation from what.... What kind of programs do you have to write? Why don't you use something useful/less-painful? What kind of system do you work on? (maybe I have something useful/ less-painful) Thought for the decade - you could be doing this in COBOL (my idea of hell anyday!) wishing you the best... --=>JonBoy<=-- =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: CP/M Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:10:01 Message Number 3364 Ok as soon as I find my list (that'll make it much easier!) must admit that it isn't REAL high on my priority list but I NEVER forget. By the way there is a board in California that still has tons of CP/M stuff - now if I can find THAT number!!! Actually it should be in my Apple term program as I called it all the time - something CAVE was the name. If there is a real need on your part I could stir my bod just a tad harder to get started - otherwise when I get around to peering into that box of stuff is when it will get done. --==( JOnBoy)==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: UCSD Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:16:33 Message Number 3365 Don't forget Lilith!!! Actually I kinda like Modula-2 EXCEPT!!!!!!!! Why oh why did the cretin-of-an-ivory-tower-paragon make all of the I/O like Read and Write seperate from each other and incapable of accepting variabel numbers of arguments? ARgggghhhh! I guess he got tired of the jibes from his peers about Pascals strong typing and then it ignores it' own rules when it comes down to doing I/O with the real world. There really IS a lesson there! --==>* JonBoy *<==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: critters Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:21:28 Message Number 3366 Whew! Thank Ghod you didn't... =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: System Crash Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:22:45 Message Number 3367 Syncronicity? Nah maybe percipacity. Besides you said it was a sticky glob and waternelon seeds are slippery. A Pysmatic and vocabulariferous JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: RUFUS Subject: School Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:26:26 Message Number 3368 Everyday is a learning environment - may as well be in school as out for the difference made - personally I *like* school and wish I could be a full time student (actually I was this time last year!). A philosophical JonBoy =========== From: ANGEL To: DONTHEN Subject: Mythagoras Date & Time: 04/01/90 23:34:28 Message Number 3369 Great, but leave three more "Mythagoras" with Turtle. I hate to admit this publicly, but Turtle and I are practically neighbors. I should be able to get them from him no problem. =========== From: RAVEN To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Gee..... Date & Time: 04/02/90 00:11:57 Message Number 3371 Hmm... Guess it even works over the board! _Very_ spectacular. =========== From: RAVEN To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 04/02/90 00:42:21 Message Number 3372 Sadistic wench today? Remind me to run in terror next time I see you. \/- =========== From: CRYSTAL To: RUFUS Subject: Pictures Date & Time: 04/02/90 01:47:17 Message Number 3373 Actually Rufus, I don't know. I have seen Steph, but she has not mentioned the pictures. Oh I guess it was Jill's camera. In any case neither one of them has mentioned it to me. I guess I will have to mention it to them. Thanks for reminding me. As soon as I find something out I will get back to you on it. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: TURTLE To: +ALL+ Subject: System Crash II Date & Time: 04/04/90 00:28:23 Message Number 3375 Well, the system went down again today; unfortunately, fixing it ment restoring a backup copy of the message base, which was one day (and about seventy messages) old. Every message posted on 02/04 was lost. It appears that constant operation for the last several months without a single break has caused a few problems with one of the disk drives; the drives are in desperate need of cleaning and realignment. Therefore, aLTER rEALITY will probably be going offline in the near future for system maintenance; probably for about two days. I will try to post a message in the logon screen telling you about this before it happens. In any event, while AR is down the modem will probably be connected to another computer running a simple host/feedback program; I may be around for chatting, but you won't be able to read or post any messages. More on this as it degenerates. --An overworked Turtle =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/04/90 20:04:20 Message Number 3377 Why the hell would /anyone/ go to Illinois voluntarily?!? (Just having got back himself) It's either too cold or two hot there.. and in general the whole state sucks! - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/04/90 20:20:08 Message Number 3378 The reason people are "so fascinated" with Hewlett Packard's laser printers is quite simple, they cost about one fourth the price of a Postscript printer, will print a 20 page document that uses only 3 different fonts (which is fairly common, if you know what you're doing) almost twice as fast as Apple's slow $8,000+ Laserwriter IINTX. The HP Laserjet III has variable size dots and anti aliasing routines which boost the output quality to a 400dpi level, scalable fonts, and HPGL/2 - plotter graphics language support with a street price of under $1,700. An "upgrade" to postscript will come in the form of a cartridge, (with 2 Meg of internal memory recommended) for ~$600. Frankly I don't know of anybody but LaserMaster who can top HP for price vs. resolution and speed. LaserMaster makes a 1000x1000dpi typesetter that comes w/ 201 scaleable typefaces which will print Mixed text and Graphics at better than 7 pages a minute.. all for the same price as Apples IINTX - $8,000. Postscript - "Just say Slo!" (TM) - LaserMaster Corp.  - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 04/04/90 20:44:08 Message Number 3379 Or pretty close anyway.. BTW - Did you go the the Rush concert about a month back? - Corwyn =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: System Crash II Date & Time: 04/04/90 20:59:13 Message Number 3380 Bummer - you sure you and Donthen haven't pissed off a powerful multi- dimensional entity that is bound to squeeze you hard (not to mention dropping peanut butter in your hard-disk)? --=> JonBoy <=-- =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/04/90 23:08:27 Message Number 3381 >Why the hell would /anyone/ go to Illinois voluntarily? I had a load of laundry that I didn't really feel like doing, so I did it up there. On the way back I stopped at the Jack Daniels' distillery in Tennesee (okay, so it wasn't /quite/ on the way, but I found myself there, so figured what the hell); it was really interesting, and much better than Howard the Duck, too. --A hard-driving Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/04/90 23:10:54 Message Number 3382 >Postscript - "Just say Slo!" Uh, I don't know where you got your information, dude, but if you're just printing pure text PostScript is about 2% /faster/ than HP's laser printers. Besides, if you don't have PostScript you might as well save the bucks and buy a nice, cheap daisy wheel; for any sort of intensive graphics work at all (which is the ONLY reason I would ever own a laser printer; using them for nothing but text and line graphics is kind of silly) your serious choices are PostScript or PostScript. --A PostScript Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 04/04/90 23:13:46 Message Number 3383 >Did you go to the Rush concert about a month back? Yes. =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: System Crash II Date & Time: 04/04/90 23:14:17 Message Number 3384 Now that you mention it, Donthen did kind of annoy God by beating him in twelve straight games of Laser Defense, but I didn't think God was /that/ bad a loser. I don't know what I would have done to annoy any powerful divine beings, but you never can tell... --A placid Turtle =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/05/90 01:55:59 Message Number 3385 But what about doing more interesting things... like picking the lint out of your bellybutton, in more interesting places, like Boysie, Idaho? - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/05/90 01:57:44 Message Number 3386 Wrong-oh buddy... 1 - download 12 & 18 pt Times Roman, 10 pt Helvetica (for footnotes) all of which are proportional fonts.. (n/a on a daisy wheel printer) /and then/ churn out 20 pages which use those fonts faster than a Laserwriter can scale the fonts and print the pages. If you're /really/ doing high level Desktop Publishing, 300dpi isn't going to cut it anyway... and you're definitely not going to want for a postscript printer to turn out your mixed text/graphics stuff. For someone who seems to hate overpriced and inefficient standards, I'm surprised that you support Postscript.. An HP laserjet II w/ a LX6 professional card will give you all the features of postscript, and up to 800x800 dpi resolution(depends upon how much RAM is on the card) including font scaling(of course) rotation,shading,outlining, a choice of opaque or transparency (not available w/ postscript) you can even specify crosshatched characters if you want (or any other fill pattern) it provides all the power, and over (way over) twice the speed of Post- script for almost half the price. I understand Raster Devices also makes a very similar card but doesn't provide (to my knowledge) the 201 typefaces (all scalable) which come w/ all the LaserMaster cards. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 04/05/90 02:18:19 Message Number 3387 Where were your seats? I was about 15-20 rows back.. I won them from 95ynf - I was quite a happy man. - Corwyn =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/05/90 07:05:36 Message Number 3390 ***News*** Remote Control is now back up on the 128D for a limited time only! Call now! I hope this satisfies those of us who like the board. Get a last look at this board before a barand new one takes its place! =========== From: YNGLING To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/05/90 16:15:06 Message Number 3392 Turtle, Is the JD distillery still in a "dry" county? I went there years ago and was shocked (putting it mildly) to discover that not only didnt they give free samples, but I couldnt even /buy/ a drink. The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: DONTHEN Subject: Sorry... Date & Time: 04/05/90 16:20:31 Message Number 3393 Sorry I didnt make it to Mickey's the other night to pay my bar bill but I got a last minute call (as I was going out the door) that kept me occupied into the wee hours of the a.m.. I love my job, I love my job , I love my job................ The Yngling P.S. I'll get it to you ASAP. =========== From: YNGLING To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: $%#&@#$$/ Date & Time: 04/05/90 16:24:39 Message Number 3394 Dear Lady, Due to Turtle's misfortune I now do not know if you got my last msg. Did you? :) The Yngling =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: song Date & Time: 04/05/90 18:36:14 Message Number 3395 New cities by the sea Skyscrapers are winking Some hills are never seen The universe expanding We're gazing out to sea Blue dolphins are singing Minds swim in ecstacy Clear planet, ever free Topaz... Our hearts are travelling faster Topaz... Faster than the speed of love Topaz... Straight through a tear in the clouds Topaz... Up to the heavens above I really like this song... I won't tell what it is, though. Anyone like the lyrics? =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RAVEN Subject: Gee..... Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:26:04 Message Number 3399 :) Hello....I do suppose your right...How is everything? I appologize for not having replied any sooner...it has been a busy week...please forgive...and send my regards to Barb. The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: RAVEN Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:27:22 Message Number 3400 Thanks! I hope you won't run in terror, I promise not to hurt you.... but then again...(just kidding!) The Lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: TURTLE Subject: System Crash II Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:28:23 Message Number 3401 And to think, you'd suspect it is I, Black Magic, who'd cause such an EVIL thing to happen....the next time I see you, I will most definitely come prepared to cast a spell.... =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: YNGLING Subject: $%#&@#$$/ Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:32:07 Message Number 3402 I sure didn't...I would still love to borrow those books from you, but I figure by the time either one of us actually devises a working plan, I will be too old and have lost my eyesight to read them! I love school I love school...my, my, I sound like you, now. (evil laugh) If thou hasn't misplaced thy number, and thou hath an idea, rather a free moment thy wouldn't mind to heareth from thou....hmm....I don't like the way all that came out, but you get the idea...BTW, did you ever read Les Miserables? IT WAS EXCELLENT....just do it...(NIKE)...but really, read it! The lady =========== From: BLACK MAGIC To: BEATLE Subject: song Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:36:19 Message Number 3403 I like the lyrics, but I would like it better if I knew who it was, so as to be able to purchase a copy of it...if it is available....I'd appreciate it if you filled me in on it.... :), The Lady In Black =========== From: JONBOY To: YNGLING Subject: Sorry... Date & Time: 04/05/90 20:55:23 Message Number 3404 Repeat after me ... sounds like my mantra after a hard days work. Hmm I thought they (mantra'a) were all supposed to be different. Actually this week has been orgasmic (if such a nice word can be applied to work) (and - no, I don't want to hear all the obvious themes on that particular association) now where was I ?? Oh yeah - the big turd - I mean boss sez that no overtime - wow!!!! You guys know that the sun really does shine and birds sing in the *real* world? It's been so long it seems abnormal to see and experience these things... --==>* JonBoy *<==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Hugo's there? Date & Time: 04/05/90 21:01:54 Message Number 3405 A Lady after my own heart - do me a favor and try to find the video. I can honestly say that even having read the book the video is a most moving experience! I have tried to find it on occasion (I keep telling my best friend how excellent it is!) but can't find it down in Port Charlotte or surrounding area. Yeah - makes you feel grateful after condidering what that poor bastard went thru - ... SO tell me... howcum you been feelin so down lately? I've noticed you taking pokes at yerself the last couple of weeks - doesn't the world do enuf without you beating on yourself? --==>* JonBoy *<==-- =========== From: JONBOY To: LL Subject: Music Date & Time: 04/05/90 21:08:35 Message Number 3406 I've decided to broaden my already extensive musical tastes even more. "New Age", "Fusion" etc really went stale a few years back but the other day I was given a sampler CD by NARADA. WOW!!!! Some of the new artists really deserve a round of applause. I went out and bought one by a guy named David Lanz - Great stuff. I've always liked artists like Vangelis (especially the ones he made with his friend Jon Anderson of YES), Kitaro, Jean Michael Jarre and Jean Luc Ponty. Anyone else have any favorites in this musical realm that I might enjoy? I also have quite a Blues, Jazz, Rock-n-Roll and classical collection but most (sighhh are still in storage). --={ JonBoy }=-- =========== From: DONTHEN To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/05/90 21:16:42 Message Number 3407 HP LaserJets are about 60% the price of a PostScript printer, not 25%. A LaserWriter IINTX will print a 20 page document that uses only 3 different fonts at around 15 pages per minute; take my word for it--I spent about a week shoving 75 documents through a IINTX several times over. The LaserJet II can only do that at 10 pages a minute when it has a strong wind at its back. PostScript only bogs down when you give it lots of graphics or font changes. The LaserJet III impresses me a fair amount, but its language is still--by Hewlett Packard's own admission--not as advanced as PostScript is. For office work, an HP is fine; for publishing, it isn't. The difference between HP's PCL and Adobe PostScript is roughly the same as the difference between Forth and .BAT files: you can do a lot with .BAT files, to be sure, but it ain't a programming language. =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 04/05/90 21:24:17 Message Number 3408 You might also look up Mike Oldfield, if you haven't already. And, for less "techy" classical/folk/rock fusion, Renaissance is very good, if sometimes a little pretentious (also extremely hard to find now, although their first two albums are available as a double-length CD). Their lead singer also recently released a self-titled solo album, "Annie Haslam," which is kind of pop but pretty impressive. Anyone with a five octave range impresses me to begin with, of course... the album was produced by Larry Fast, who was the producer/songwriter/etc. for Synergy, another fusion-type group you might have heard of.... =========== From: RAVEN To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: Gee..... Date & Time: 04/06/90 00:12:30 Message Number 3409 Everything going ok. Lost our bird, and had it returned, Watts is thinking of moving in, and Barbara is moving to Venice. Just got back from Perkins (where I drank too much coffee, as usual), and am feeling just a wee bit :> bounceful. All in all its been an interesting week, and I hope that the next few calm down (but is is _very_ unlikely that they will). -A Bouncing Bird- =========== From: RAVEN To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 04/06/90 00:20:58 Message Number 3410 AAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHH!!! (patter, patter.....) [Exit stage right] Hmm. Oh, do you still have Oversoul 7's address? =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/06/90 01:06:51 Message Number 3411 I used to live near Boisie, Idaho. Unless you're a potato, Boisie is about as interesting as a Late Show rerun from 1972 being displayed on a three-inch portable TV with a broken speaker at an insurance seminar in Plains, Georgia in an unairconditioned room in mid-June. --A non-vegetative Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 04/06/90 01:09:50 Message Number 3412 Section C, Row 17, giving me a spectacular view of Neil Peart doing his stuff... =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/06/90 01:11:14 Message Number 3413 Yep, the JD distillery is still in a dry county, and is likely to be that way for quite some time. The county doesn't have the population to call for a referendum to change things...kinda dumb, huh? I thought Prohibition was something everyone had pretty well given up on as being a legal disaster 'bout sixty years ago, but I guess not... --A non-dry Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: NOBODY, REALLY Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/06/90 01:18:30 Message Number 3414 I spent about half an hour today listening to a song by the Indigo Girls over and over, just before I went to work. The reason I was doing this thing was to try to unwind a beastly complex guitar section with several different themes superimposed on one another, without notable success. The problem with this behavior was the fact that I engaged in it just before going to work. Upon arriving at work, I was subjected to pop music--a singularly painful transition. After listening to music like the Indigo Girls, I go through a refractory period where I really can't take most music, because it ends up sounding really simplistic and crude. A piece of music in which there are two distinct themes, each theme of which has a direct 1:1 mapping phrase by phrase onto the other and each of which is capable of acting as a harmony for the other, impresses me. "He's a cold hearted snaaaaaaaaaaaaaaake" does not. The transition from the former to the latter in ten minutes' time is an assault upon my audial association cortex. Paula Abdul doesn't "do" complex music, or complex thinking, for that matter. Oh well...at least I didn't suffer the ignomy of being forced to listen to "Ooh I've got your girlfriend, uh-uh I've got your girlfriend" at high volumes with mondo bass distortion (yes, now you too can get 7% Total Harmonic Distortion for a mere seven hundred dollars!), as has been known to happen in the past... --A digressing Turtle =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: DONTHEN Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/06/90 03:34:41 Message Number 3415 What price are you using for the LaserWriter IINTX? I'm using the price quoted by Elek-Tek in chicago last week for the HPIII - a little less than $1,600 multiply that by 4 = 6,400.. and while I haven't been in the market for one, I thought IINTX's were there or above. Anyway, if you can do everything that needs to be done w/ .BAT files, and you will probably be able to buy a Forth compiler for 1/10th the price in a couple of years, I'd stick w/ the trusty batch files and keep watching the developments. - Corwyn =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/06/90 03:40:19 Message Number 3416 Which makes it about ten times more interesting than central Illinois. - Corwyn (A /former/ Illinoisian) =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 04/06/90 03:41:54 Message Number 3417 Hmm.. I ought to introduce you to my roommate sometime.. he's a drummer and very snobbish about it.. think's he can do everything Neil Peart does w/o breaking a sweat.. maybe he can, but I'll stay sceptical.. what the hell, he's a nice guy other than that though.. (my roommate I mean) ^^ WoW! take a look at that rambling non-grammatical stucture!! Sheesh! - Corwyn =========== From: BEATLE To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: song Date & Time: 04/06/90 17:38:50 Message Number 3418 Okay, the song is "Topaz" by the B-52's... I didn't want to say who did the song because I knew a lot of people here would hate it as soon as they saw "B-52's"... I think it's an excellent song, and it's nothing like "Love Shack" or "Roam". =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/06/90 17:59:26 Message Number 3419 A term that has recently entered into my mind is "dry county". Can you expand further on the meaning of what it is? I hadn't heard it until recently, and I am curious... =========== From: DONTHEN To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/06/90 18:07:57 Message Number 3420 > if you can do everything that needs to be done w/ .BAT files, This is true. However, I should take issue with your '300x300 dpi is not suitable for serious publishing' comment. That is commonly held, but there have been books like "Whalesong" published using actual run-of-the-mill LaserWriters that have won all sorts of design awards in the publishing industry. Also, for "serious" publishing, the only page description languages you're likely to find in use are PostScript, and if they're using non-PS mainframe systems, TeX and Scribe (TeX is set up to use Compugraphic outline fonts, and I suspect Scribe does, too, although I'm not sure). Do recall that PostScript is a completely descriptive language and is completely hardware independent: it is not a 300x300 dpi language. Most non-PS laser printers for micros have to use their own languages to do more than 300 dpi resolution, but if you have a Macintosh, PageMaker and a PostScript driver, you can connect it to a Linotype typesetter with an effective resolution of 2540x2540 dpi. I suspect once Phoenix Technologies' PostScript clone gets put into use--removing the biggest monetary cost for the language (i.e., Adobe's license fee)--it'll be in use a lot more. =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Hmmm... Date & Time: 04/07/90 01:45:24 Message Number 3421 Just seems that I am wasting time. I should be asleep, but I'm not a bit tired. Jeez, it's quite pathetic... at least I'm not hating myself. =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/07/90 02:09:10 Message Number 3422 We're BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK! That's right...REMOTE CONTROL! The BBS is BACK ONLINE! Give us a call today! 813/378-2218 -=- 8-N-1-1200 -=- 24 Hours -=- -[ An MSTF System ]- =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: lists.... Date & Time: 04/07/90 03:11:18 Message Number 3424 I'm very suspicious of ANYBODY who claims to be able to do what Neil Peart does without breaking a sweat...I'm sorry, but I used to be a drummer, and that man impresses the hell out of me. Neil Peart manages to do things that any rational person would swear are simply impossible. --A not so easily impressed Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/07/90 03:13:09 Message Number 3425 A dry county is a county where it is against the law to sell, buy, or consume alcoholic beverages. There are a few scattered areas of the country, notably in the deep south, where Prohibition is still in effect; the county where Jack Daniels is distilled and produced is one of them. --A confused Turtle =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/07/90 09:33:29 Message Number 3426 One of those places is Taccoa Georgia where I was stuck for six monthes setting up a new machine manufacturing plant. Can you imagine, the only resturaunt in town was a Pizza Hut and you couldn't even get a beer with your pizza. Every Friday night, we would make a run to a store just outside the county line and buy stuff for about thirty people. Boy, if we would of gotten caught with all that stuff in Toccoa........wheh! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: KEN OBER Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/07/90 09:36:43 Message Number 3427 Hope so, I'm tired of seeing that garbage run across my screen.... *&^(OU(U**()*(OH&^%*()*))_()_&**^&^$%&)&)(*()_*_*)_*_)*_&&^%(TR^&( =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/07/90 09:39:52 Message Number 3428 >"He's a cold hearted snaaaaaaaaaaaake"...... You mean there is another kind? Paula Abdul may not "do" complex music, but I don't think many people "watch" her for her musical talents =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: ALL Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/07/90 09:41:56 Message Number 3429 oTay gang, The Road Rally is ON. They rally will start at 1:00 pm on Saturday afternoon in the parking lot behind Klockner-Bartelt (formerly Rexham Corp.) at the intersection of DeSoto Road and North Washington Blvd (301) on Mar 5th. There will be trophies for the first three finishers and a Bar-B-Q (just dogs an' stuff) at the finish. There will be a five ($5) per person entry fee to cover the cost of the trophies and the food. There will be about twenty locations and plenty of help. Anyone wishing to donate some food to the cook-out can (please). I AM OFFICIALLY ASKING FOR SIGN-UPS.....ANYBODY WANT TO TEAR HELL OUT OF CENTRAL SARASOTA WITH US?????????.......sssssssSNAKEBYTE . . =========== From: BEATLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/07/90 12:18:29 Message Number 3430 I will defitely be in the Road Rally, I will be on Tyler Robinson (Ken Ober)'s team (I think)... =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: Hmmm... Date & Time: 04/07/90 12:34:25 Message Number 3431 > Just seems that I am wasting time. I should be asleep, but I'm not a > bit tired. Jeez, it's quite pathetic... at least I'm not hating > myself. Well, that's a step up, I suppose. Hey, at least it's not as much of a waste of time as quoting back your entire message by hand. I need to write a Trash-80 BBS that does the quote thing automatically, ya know? =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/07/90 16:17:12 Message Number 3432 >...I don't think many people "watch" [Paula Abdul] for her musical >talents The fact that she doesn't have any may have something to do with that... Still, her music is singularly annoying to anybody who doesn't happen to be blessed with tone deafness. --A non-tone-deaf Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/07/90 16:19:40 Message Number 3433 Count me in, dude! The road ralley sounds like one of the more entertaining things you can do with a motor vehicle, and it has the added advantage of being legal, too. --A VW Turtle (Anyone interested in navigating with me in RoboMouse??) =========== From: TURTLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Hmmm... Date & Time: 04/07/90 16:21:23 Message Number 3434 >I need to write a Trash-80 BBS that does the quote thing automatically, >ya know? You need to write BYE4, Daisies, REORG, TRIS, and FurBytes #2, ya know? =========== From: BEATLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Hmmm... Date & Time: 04/08/90 02:28:19 Message Number 3437 > I need to write a Trash-80 BBS that does the quoting automatically... That would be great. Have you made any progress on it. =========== From: BEATLE To: ALL Subject: Paradox Date & Time: 04/08/90 02:31:08 Message Number 3438 Okay, everyone, I have a challenge. I want you to read and understand an essay in the May issue of Starlog. It's called "The Return Of The Other Marty McFly". Before I go further, yes, this IS about "Back to the Future". It's presented as a school report, and check out the purpose! "We'll not only be searching for mutltiple Martys, we'll be seing alternate futures, alternate presents, alternate pasts, alternate /alternate/ futures, quadruple DeLoreans, umpteen Einsteins and more Doc Browns than even /we/ can keep track of." And check something like THIS out! "As the time chart...shows, even though we only saw [one] reality at the [first] film's end, /both/ realities continued to exist-since nothing happened to bring them back together..." Or THIS! "But most importantly, it /also/ means that Doc has been committed to an insane asylum-before he could invent the DeLorean time machine! So, Doc, Marty, and Jennifer have travelled into the future in a time machine that was never even invented!" Well, I found this 6 1/2 page article a nice piece of altered reality. It's amusing reading, too. I just want to see if anyone can UNDERSTAND it all! Also, if you CAN read and understand it all, I have a 260 block file on Star Trek warp propulsion you can help me understand... I can't make it past page one. =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: DONTHEN Subject: Wyvern's Den Date & Time: 04/08/90 05:21:17 Message Number 3439 What's up? The number is disconnected and I haven't heard anything... I was gone for a week, so I might have missed something, but is the Wyvern's Den dead forever???? - Corwyn =========== From: NERISSA To: TURTLE Subject: HOWDY PARTENER Date & Time: 04/08/90 09:56:13 Message Number 3440 HEY, SORRY YOU DIDN'T GO WE DID. IT WAS BORING BUT WE ALSO DIDN'T BOWL EITHER. WE CHATTED WITH EVERYONE THERE THEN WE ALL WENT TO THE CLOCK TO HAVE A DRINK AND TALK SOME MORE. BUT ANYWAY, I WAS HOPING TO MEET YA AFTER ALL THIS TIME OF CHATTING WITH YA!!! OH WELL, MAYBE NEXT TIME HUH? DO YOU CALL WHISPER'S AT ALL? WONDERING BECAUSE WE DO ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S A GOOD CHATTING BOARD. LOTS OF PEOPLE OFF FROM SPACE AGE TOO. HERE'S THE NUMBER IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT BY A CHANCE: 794-5594 TILL NEXT TIME EAT A FRY FOR ME!!!!:) NIS OR LADY X =========== From: NERISSA To: TURTLE Subject: A REAL TURTLE Date & Time: 04/08/90 10:03:20 Message Number 3441 YOU ARE A DIFFERENT KIND OF GUY. I CAN BE NASTY TOO, FIRST THING IN THE MORNING IS THE WORST TIME!!!! BUT OTHER THAN THAT I AM AN EASY PERSON TO GET ALONG WITH!:) WELL THE SUN IS OUT TODAY SO I AM GOING TO BE IN IT ALL DAY LONG! TILL NEXT TIME TURTLE BE HAPPY!:) =========== From: NERISSA To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: INTEREST Date & Time: 04/08/90 10:06:40 Message Number 3442 WELL, I'LL START WITH WORK. I AM A RECEPTIONIST AT STAR PRODUCTIONS F TIME FROM 9 TO 5 FIVE DAYS A WEEK. I GRADUATED IN 88' FROM SARASOTA HIGH. I GOT MARRIED AT 19 TO WONDERFUL HUSBAND THAT WORKS AT AQUA SOFT AND GOES TO MCC AT NIGHT. I LOVE TO BBS, TALK ON THE PHONE , GO TO THE MALL AND SIT ON THE BENCH TO GET A GOOD LAUGH AT THE SIGHTS OF PASSBYERS, SHOP TILL I DROP, FLY KITES, DANCE IS MY BEST THING TO DO!!! THAT ABOUT COVERS IT ON HOBBY TYPE THINGS. I AM A HAPPY TYPE OF PERSON THAT ENJOYS LIFE TILL THE END AND NOONE GETS ME DOWN!!:) HOW ABOUT YOU? HAVE TO GET MY BUTT TO THE BEACH TO CATCH SOME RAYS, GOT TO KEEP THE BIKINI AREA TAN;) AND SOME OTHER PLACES THAT ARE OF INTEREST TO MY HUBBY!!! SEE YA NEXT TIME!!!!! NIS =========== From: NERISSA To: YNGLING Subject: ? Date & Time: 04/08/90 10:14:18 Message Number 3443 YOU ARE ONLY AS OLD AS YOU FEEL AND AGE IS NOT BAD!!!! I WAS JUST WONDERING WHO YOU WERE IF I KNEW YOU FROM ANY OTHER BBS THAT I'VE BEEN ON . CURIOUS GORGE I GUESS IF IM BEING NOSEY JUST TELL ME AND I'LL STOP ASKING SO MANY Q'S!!!:) JUST BEING A FRIEND OR TRYING ANYWAY. TILL NEXT TIME KEEP THE CHIN UP AND THE SMILE ON THE FACE!!!!! NIS =========== From: MISS ELAINE NIUS To: TURTLE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/08/90 11:17:30 Message Number 3444 I'll navigate... on two conditions: 1) That the tranny is fixed by then 2) That I don't have to DRIVE! P.S. Hi to anybody who remembers me from a few years back... >>> MISS ELAINE NIUS <<< (And "Here I Am" to those who don't!) =========== From: RUFUS To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/08/90 11:36:08 Message Number 3445 I like her videos. Just hit the mute button and you don't have to put up with that music (now, if we could just make a mute button that worked on low-riders...) =========== From: RUFUS To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/08/90 11:38:13 Message Number 3446 Well, sign me and Zot (who's Zot you ask? Don't.) up. I could make my famous Sugar Coma Brownies if you'd like. =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/08/90 12:43:58 Message Number 3448 Ohmuhgawd!! I just left <<<>> Utah a year ago and still have nightmarers that someone will make me go back. I've been to Boise and it ain't much different. I'm just as glad to be back home in the south. A Southerly JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: BEATLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/08/90 12:49:45 Message Number 3449 The term dry county refers to an area whereby the inhabitants profess not to indulge in the evils of alcohol and thereby prohibit the selling of said alcoholic beverages within their domain. You can spot these arid oasis' by a proliferation of liquor stores on ANY section of public or private road that crosses into a non-dry county. AS As a interesting side-light, the local gendarmes and other local officials are usually the major uphoalders of the laws that keep the county dry - reason? There is a lot of money to be made in running moonshine and other alcoholic beverages. Y'see... these folks actually figured out that prohibition was very very good for clandestine business opportunities - not so dumb if you think about it. -==> JonBoy <==- =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/08/90 12:58:43 Message Number 3450 Yeah - the cost is the big thing - I still have a lawyer checking out Adobe's stipulations on the use of PostScript to see if I can "program around it". Another outrageous (and I mean outrageous) publishing gimmick is the BitStream fonts at $250 a pop... Get real! At that price I'll carve my own lead letters and build a print press. Sheeeeeiiiiitt! I do like PostScript tho - the slowness comes from the interpreter that has to be built into each printer (HP uses a cartridge). For the first copy it has to build a bit map in memory of the sheet. By definition any lines, curves or whathaveyou overlays whatever was there before. This is why the first copy is kinda slow - for 2 or more pages the printer can crank 'em out at full speed. More and more graphics images are being done in Encapsulated PostScript (EPS). I got a couple of megs of this stuff with a new package called Corel DRAW! the other day. It's for the IBM of course (whadda waste!). I had to break down and buy yet another system this weekend - I picked up a barebones 286 from Amelia with a VGA display and am getting a 100 meg hard disk from a friend in Ft Meyers. I DO love the purty colors! I gotta get rid of some of this junk.... A Swamped JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: Drummer Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:10:49 Message Number 3451 Whaddya mean "used to be". I never met a musician that simply quit. I took a break from guitar for about 2 years once but am not back at it with a vengance (like 2 12 strings and 4 electrics!). Sorry but the desire to make music is an ingrained structure of your psyche... I bet you tap on the pots and pans subconsiously when you cook.... A Rhythmic JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:14:33 Message Number 3452 Not 'Zactly - you are allowed to consume in the privacy of your own home and you can transport it to your home (from wherever) for this purpose - anything else and you have to be in the local good-ol-boy network. JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:17:37 Message Number 3453 Oh yeah? Listen to the slander rags (and I place "People" in their number now) and you would think that she is the greatest entertainer since Sammy Davis Jr. Sorry - I really do like most kinds of music but most "Dance" (ala Disco) music is simply a beat that you can move to nothing more. It doesn't lighten your soul, mellow your mood, stir the senses or manifest itself in your life in any other way than a desire to get sweaty... A toe-tapping JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: DONTHEN Subject: Hmmm... Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:23:34 Message Number 3454 I would be happy with recognizing the TAB key! =========== From: JONBOY To: NERISSA Subject: HOWDY PARTENER Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:29:34 Message Number 3455 Why don't you chat here? The natives are friendly and it costs no more than a phone call - the natives are also delightfully droll and very outspoken.... JonBoy =========== From: JONBOY To: MISS ELAINE NIUS Subject: Hi! Date & Time: 04/08/90 13:33:37 Message Number 3456 Hi!!!! You mean Turtle has had the VW that long? (I used to race them and consider VW's to be temporary transpotation) So if you were on a few years back - where 'ya been? Enquiring denizens of aLTERED rEALITY wanna know. JonBoy =========== From: KEN OBER To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/08/90 14:29:52 Message Number 3457 Well, the reason was because there was no software...I just had the modem answer the phone to let people know that the BBS is still up, and that I haden't died, and so that the phone ringing wouldn't drive everyone in my house crazy! :) The drive still is causing a few minor problems, and I have to ask Turtle about them.....It looks as if when I get the BBS running off of the AMiga, I'll be able to hook into these echos: The Eagle's Nest Multiversal Party Line Other Suns Furry Echo Furry Bios Thank God Its Furry Furry Tech Furry Magazines If anyone wants a specific echo, please let me know! Also, does anyone know who the local FIDO host here in town is? I know it /used/ to be Rendez-Vous, but they went down...I have been told that is the Above Board, which is still up, but the guy in California says the official updated FIDO list says AUB is, but the number he gave me that the list had seems to be disconnected -- Doies anyone know the correct number for AUB? Thanks.... On to more important things, who all is showing at the ROAD RALLY, and has anyone planned teams yet? -Ken Ober =========== From: TURTLE To: NERISSA Subject: Howdy Back Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:37:20 Message Number 3459 'Fraid I don't call Whisper's...or any other pay-for-access BBS. If I pay for access to a system, it had better be /real/ impressive--like, say, a DECsystem-20/60 or a VAX 9000. Spending money to talk to people seems kind of silly to me. (So does he use the telephone, or what? never mind...) You'll have to pardon me; I'm in a REALLY weird mood today. Talk to you later... --An open-access Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: NERISSA Subject: A REAL TURTLE Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:39:37 Message Number 3460 I'm always happy, except when I'm not. It's strange--sometimes my mood is the same as it is at other times, and then sometimes it's different. I hate when that happens. I'm going to stop typing now...I'm not making any sense............................................. --A desufnoc Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: MISS ELAINE NIUS Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:42:47 Message Number 3461 Well, the tranny will probably still be dead by the time of the road ralley, but hey, it's just the thing for that extra air of excitement... you know, "Will the intrepid VWers make it to the finish line, or will the car explode with the force of a thousand tons of TNT, sending them all into low earth orbit where they will be mistaken for incoming ICBM's and end civilization as we know it?" I like uncertainty in my life. --An uncertain Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: A LONG TIME Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:45:53 Message Number 3462 >I'm just as glad to be back home in the south. I can understand that. The deep south has so much to offer... camaraderie, huge pickups with gun racks in the back, large men who grin and nod a lot and like to sit in bars shouting insults at women, religious fanaticism, burning crosses, redneck cops who pull you over and say things like "Y'all be in a heap lot of trouble now, boy!" ...and grits. (Sorry if I seem kind of nasty; I'm really not all that fond of this particular area of the country. Places that are known more for the number of books they ban in public schools than for their weather bother me...) --A distressed Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:51:49 Message Number 3463 >I gotta get rid of some of this junk.... Psst! Wanna swap two complete Z-80 systems for a 68000 S-100 card or a CP/M-86 machine?? (snicker) I know what you mean, though...I'm getting a new SB-180 Z-system machine on Monday, and there's this guy who keeps trying to sell me an Osborne 2 CP/M-80 system...I think Crystal's about to put her foot down... --A megacomputing Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: JONBOY Subject: Drummer Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:54:51 Message Number 3464 >I bet you tap on pots and pans subconsciously when you cook... I don't cook. Unfortunately, I have a passing familiarity with about a half-dozen different instruments, but I never really had the dedication or motivation to do very much with any of 'em. It's been about 4 years since I've even bothered to try playing anythingg, and it's not like learning to ride a bike... --A non-cooking Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/08/90 15:58:04 Message Number 3465 The correct number for AUB is in the BBS list in the nformation area, but AUB is going down for at least a few weeks soon...Alfie is evidently taking off to Germany... Anyway, you really don't want to get your echos through AUB. Alfie /never/ pays attention to his system, and he tends to let it crash and not notice for weeks at a time. He's also really bad about hooking up new users with the local echoes. --A Matrix-free Turtle =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BEATLE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/08/90 16:46:53 Message Number 3466 I need a definite number of participants if possible. Talk to Tyler and let me know.....oTay???????? ......ssssssssssssssssSNAKEBYTE . . =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: IT'S BACK.... Subject: Y'all Date & Time: 04/08/90 17:24:21 Message Number 3467 That's what I get for not logging on for two weeks... I'll just push the mail off to one side, and read them one by one for th next few hours... By the way -- I'm back... Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: ACAPULCO Subject: ROAD RALLY Date & Time: 04/08/90 17:39:29 Message Number 3468 Dear Acapulco, >Does anyone else wish to apply as my teammate? I'm also looking for a teammate... Your car or mine? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: critters Date & Time: 04/08/90 17:59:51 Message Number 3469 >If you get the point where what goes on in the bedroom starts determining what goes on outside the bedroom, watch out... Why does it need to be limited to within the bedroom? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: SHADOWSPAWN Subject: Vulgar Unicorn? Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:02:59 Message Number 3470 >...I ran into you at the Vulgar Unicorn... I am most certainly NOT vulgar. And only a little bit naughty. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:09:55 Message Number 3471 Dear Rufus, >There will be no escape with the really big killer dogs roaming around >the 40 story wall that encloses the campus. Reminds me of my old high school. Nice chain link fence, with a barbed top -- pointing INWARD. It's really easy to get climb INTO the school (The fence is only about eight feet tall...), but TOUGH to get back out. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: Strong typing.. Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:23:40 Message Number 3472 Dear Turtle, I could have USED strong typing in a program I was doing for myself -- there were about three or four uses for the "byte" type all whirring around in the program at once; (all distinct, and not interchangable, of course...) and I kept confusing myself as to which function converted which byte format to which one... Anyway, an idea for a REALLY useful programming language: one that switches on and off strong typing at the programmer's whim? Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: JONBOY Subject: Music Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:33:48 Message Number 3473 JonBoy- If you like unusual music, if you ever find a place that sells Jeff Johnson, try him out. He's .. um, .. unusual, but very good. (Occasionally, Christian bookstores will carry him.) Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: Music... Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:40:29 Message Number 3474 Dear Turtle, You might have been impressed by my musical work today, then... I had two different themes in a piece that could intermesh with each other in two different ways, as well as mesh with themselves in two different ways (using two different modes and two different starting points, of course.) (Finding them was a BITCH!) There was only one minor problem: when I played it, the piece didn't seem to "go anywhere." Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:46:23 Message Number 3475 SIGN ME IN!!! Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: TURTLE Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:47:08 Message Number 3476 Dear Turtle, I am neither tone-deaf, nor do I hate Paula Abdul. Sure -- her rhyhms are simple-minded, but the same can be said to, oh... say most fugues by Bach. Heck -- same with the chord structure for his "Prelude to Fugue #1"... That doesn't necessarily make for boring music. (My Ghod! Did I just compare Paula Abdul to Bach?) Her music is just "pop" -- little or no depth to it. There are heavy-metal bands with about the same amount of depth. Hell -- there are bands of ANY kind with the same amount of musical depth. (But most of them seem to be Country/Western.) Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: NERISSA Subject: INTEREST Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:52:43 Message Number 3477 Dear Nerissa, Sounds like a wonderful life to me! With my college work, I haven't had a chance to relax for a LONG while... and when I do, it's usually up in Jacksonville with my girlfriend. Heck -- I haven't flown a kite for months. Maybe years. Hmmmm.... Anyway, my interests outside of school are mostly musical. I'm just now beginning to learn the joys of composing music, and singing in a choir. I was (for a short while) a professional clarinetist, and I'm now learning to play the classical guitar. I love the game Go -- though I don't play very well. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: MISS ELAINE NIUS Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:56:14 Message Number 3478 Dear Miz Elaine, Hello! And welcome back! =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: JONBOY Subject: Drummer Date & Time: 04/08/90 18:58:00 Message Number 3479 Dear JonBoy, Ya know, at one of these furry parties, we NEED to get together a pick-up band of some kind... Bring guitars, drums, whatever... By the way, when we do this -- it shouldn't be at Turtle's. Or, at least, it shouldn't be at the middle of the night. Chip P. Unicorn =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Y'all Date & Time: 04/08/90 21:09:15 Message Number 3480 > By the way -- I'm back... Err, so where have you been. Well, I'm off to watch "Twin Peaks." The intro was more interesting than most shows on today. =========== From: RUFUS To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: sleeping and >< Date & Time: 04/08/90 21:10:41 Message Number 3481 >easy to climb into...but TOUGH to get back out. Hmmm, sounds like a roach motel! =========== From: RUFUS To: ALL Subject: ST Date & Time: 04/08/90 21:13:12 Message Number 3482 So, anyone catch Star Trek's Yearly Swimsuit Episode? =========== From: DONTHEN To: TURTLE Subject: Hmmm... Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:18:05 Message Number 3483 FURBYT02.TXT is written, and it appears that somebody else has already written a Model 4 TETRIS game... but I'm going to finish TRIS anyway, on the assumption that mine will be better. As for BYE4, yep, I do need to write that. It needs to be written before I write the BBS that does the quote thing, so that way the BBS can run under BYE4. =========== From: DONTHEN To: BEATLE Subject: Hmmm... Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:19:38 Message Number 3484 > That would be great. Have you made any progress on it. None to speak of. I was planning to write a remote host system for the BBS to run under (the BYE4 that Turtle was speaking of), but I may just write a "mini-BYE" at first and then start trying to code the BBS, which will probably be a lot easier to write than BYE4 (or even the mini-BYE) will be. =========== From: DONTHEN To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: Wyvern's Den Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:21:34 Message Number 3485 The Den will almost certainly be returning by the end of April or beginning of May, at a new number and location (Raven's, to be exact). =========== From: DONTHEN To: JONBOY Subject: Hmmm... Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:24:41 Message Number 3486 Well, that'll be something I'll have to remember. I almost never use the TAB key in messages so it's probably not something I'd think of when writing a message routine... of course, I want the line input routine to support some of the WordStar control functions such as going backwards/forwards, word back/forward, word delete, delete to eol, etc., so on top of that, TAB would be somewhat trivial... =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:26:57 Message Number 3487 AUB is the official FidoNet host here but it is currently down, hopefully to return soon. I suggest you also try and get in touch with Dr Pepper to see about carrying the TOONS-N-MORPHS echo, which is another furry echo not associated with Nicolai Shapero. If you getg involved with both, you will learn that a lot of people really don't like Mr. Shapero, and a lot of the animosity towards him came from his handling of the FURRY echoes between the Rowrbrazzle BBS (which no longer speaks to his board, and the sysops don't speak to one another either) and with Noel Tominack on the Lighthouse Project BBS, a person that Nicolai kicked off the echo--Noel ended up starting his own echo with Dr Pepper's help, hence the start of TOONS-N-MORPHS. =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/08/90 22:29:54 Message Number 3488 Oh, also, you might find--as I have--that Nicolai is a fairly easy person to get along with, despite what some other people say. I also find Noel Tominack a fairly easy person to get along with, despite what some other people (including Nicolai, I suppose) would say, so who knows. =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Strong typing.. Date & Time: 04/09/90 02:12:21 Message Number 3489 >I could have USED strong typing in a program I was doing for myself... Strong typing is a crutch for people with weak memories. >...A REALLY useful programming language: one that switches on and off >strong typing at the programmer's whim? Strong typing is a crutch for people with weak memories. You have the ultimate switch right at your fingertips: if you want strong typing ON, use Pascal. If you want strong typing OFF, use a real language. Why clutter up your language with unnecessary impediments? --A real programmer Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/09/90 02:16:20 Message Number 3490 >[Paula Abdul's] rhythms are simple-minded, but the same can be said to, >oh, say, most fuges by Bach. In what reality? I don't know what world /you/ just came from, boy, but in this one Bach is noted for his remarkably intricate and subtle mastry of the musical form--PARTICULARLY in his fugues. >Her music is "pop" -- little or no depth That is precisely why I hate it. So what's your point? --A complex Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: RUFUS Subject: ST Date & Time: 04/09/90 02:20:33 Message Number 3491 >So, anyone catch Star Trek's Yearly Swimsuit Episode? Huh? =========== From: TURTLE To: +ALL+ Subject: FurBytes Date & Time: 04/09/90 02:22:46 Message Number 3492 * ATTENTION! * ATTENTION! * ATTENTION! * FurBytes #2 is now available for downloading from this board, together with #1, which was formerly available on the Wyvern's Den. FurBytes is an electronic furry fanzine written by Donthen and distributed on furry BBSes all over the country; it is essentially a clearinghouse for furry information, the doings of furfen, and other assorted errata. Check it out... --A furry Turtle =========== From: BEATLE To: KEN OBER Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:02:28 Message Number 3493 When I call AUB, it isn't disconnected, nobody answers! =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: Howdy Back Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:04:15 Message Number 3494 Must be a lot of people don't call Whispers. The sysop put an ad in the classified ads to get callers. =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: A LONG LINE Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:07:54 Message Number 3495 Speaking of banning books... I'm looking for sources to use in a report on Censorship. Turtle mentioned something that said that the unabridged dictionary was often banned. That might be a good source... any suggestions everyone? =========== From: BEATLE To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:12:32 Message Number 3496 Well, I /know/ that Ken Ober, Rufus, and I will all be in it. Wheter the three of us will be on the same team or not remains to be seen. =========== From: BEATLE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Drummer Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:18:46 Message Number 3497 > bring...drums... Yeah! Do that. I would like to get behind some drums and try playing. I've always wanted to, just never have. =========== From: BEATLE To: RUFUS Subject: ST Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:20:59 Message Number 3498 Hhehehe! Yeah, I caught it. By the way, which episode would you count as last season's swimsuit episode? =========== From: BEATLE To: DONTHEN Subject: Wyvern's Den Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:23:21 Message Number 3499 Yay for the return of the Den!! =========== From: BEATLE To: TURTLE Subject: ST Date & Time: 04/09/90 07:28:50 Message Number 3500 >> So, anyone catch Star Trek's Yearly Swimsuit Episode? > Huh? They sent Captain Picard on vacation and for the first half of the show, people were walking around in skimpy bathing suits and the like... Sorta like that season one episode "Justice"... =========== From: KEN OBER To: DONTHEN Subject: Echos Date & Time: 04/09/90 12:07:10 Message Number 3501 Okay, can someone please give me the numbers of the relavent BBSes mentioned that carry the Furry Echos? (I already have Stormgate Aerie's number.) -Ken Ober =========== From: KEN OBER To: BEATLE Subject: AUB and YOU! Date & Time: 04/09/90 12:08:40 Message Number 3502 > nobody answers! Question...how can the local FIDO host be down half the time? =========== From: KEN OBER To: ALL Subject: Furry Tape ][ Date & Time: 04/09/90 12:09:42 Message Number 3503 The Furry Tape ][ is now completed and is of /much/ better quaility than the first one....This tape has a running time of aprox. 60 minutes....It includes: AArdvark (SP?) Bondage The latest Furry Party Turtle Cam ]I[ Another Furry Music Video It has been edited with less tape transfers, and with the help of my Amiga and an RF Modulator -- I also used an Audio mixing board. Thanks to Rocky for the RF Modulator and the Mixing Board... The Furry Tape ][ costs NOTHING if you give me your own tape, and costs $3 if you want one of my tapes.... Contact me on a/L/T/E/R r/E/A/L/I/T/Y or Remote Control! -Ken Ober BTW -- Did anyone get me a copy of that furry magazine? ANd if not, how can I get ahold of one? =========== From: YNGLING To: BLACK MAGIC Subject: $%#&@#$$/ Date & Time: 04/09/90 13:31:48 Message Number 3504 Dear Lady - I tried to call you the other day (I guess its been about a week now) but you werent home. I will continue in my efforts to get these books to you (jeez...after all this they better be good). Yes, Ive read Les Miserables. I enjoyed it very much. Of course I was forced to read it by some foul creature calling itself an English teacher, but despite that I liked it. I hate it when that happens! I liked A Tale of Two Cities by Dickens, too. In fact, in retrospect (and we all know how painful that can be) most of the classics were pretty damn good. With the noticable exception of Wuthering Heights - it sucked. Until next time...... The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/09/90 13:49:34 Message Number 3505 Snakebyte, I watch Paula Abdul videos because I am impressed with the intricate style of her choreography and the way she manages to include the rhythm of tap with the style of Bob Fosse, with a little ballroom tossed in... it has nothing to do with her breasts...at least thats what I tell my wife. :) The Yngling =========== From: YNGLING To: NERISSA Subject: ? Date & Time: 04/09/90 13:58:25 Message Number 3506 Dear Nerissa, Its when the ladies /stop/ being curious that I'll start to worry! No, I dont think we know each other from other bbs'ing as I only frequent a few boards and always under the same psuedonym. I, too, married at the age of 19...that means Ive been married...forever! I love my wife very much, but would not recommend getting married that young to anyone. I wish I'd met her about five years later - wild oats and all of that. Im glad you are so happy. :) Thanks for the kind words. The Yngling "We give but little when we give of our possessions, it is when we give of ourselves that we truly give." -Gibran Kahlil Gibran =========== From: YNGLING To: ALL Subject: Dragonreading Date & Time: 04/09/90 14:19:10 Message Number 3507 The Science Fiction Book Club accidently sent me a copy of Anne McCaf- frey's latest "Renegades of Pern." When it arrived I said, "Oh ghod not another dragonriders book." However, having finished it I must say it was worth reading. Its not /great/ but its not bad. The ending is particularly interesting. Best of all, you can read it even if you havent read a Pern novel since "THe White Dragon" - although the ending will make a little more sense if youve read "DragonDawn" according to a friend. I havent read DragonDawn and it made sense to me. So anyway, I give it a thumbs up and a seven because its got a beat but you cant dance to it. The Yngling =========== From: CORWYN OF AMBER To: TURTLE Subject: Strong typing.. Date & Time: 04/09/90 15:22:22 Message Number 3508 Yep, but computers are the "crutch of the future" - Corwyn =========== From: DONTHEN To: KEN OBER Subject: Echos Date & Time: 04/09/90 17:27:44 Message Number 3511 If you get FurBytes #2, TOONS-N-MORPHS is carried by Tigers' Den, Doctors' Walk-In, and possibly 1 or 2 others on that list.... =========== From: ACAPULCO To: TURTLE Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/09/90 20:35:38 Message Number 3513 I don't know where _you_ get your information, but until you see the output of the LaserMaster system, you better reserve your judgement of Postscript, else you will contradict yourself later. {Acapulco} =========== From: ACAPULCO To: DONTHEN Subject: Music Date & Time: 04/09/90 20:41:16 Message Number 3514 I was extremely impressed with Renaissance (I love "Kiev"), but didn't know their music was released in CD form (I've about worn out my album). I just bought Mobile Fidelity Labs' version of "Days of Future Passed" by the Moody Blues... excellent sound, even if only AAD! {Acapulco} =========== From: ACAPULCO To: DONTHEN Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/09/90 20:47:45 Message Number 3515 I know of some "serious" publishers using LaserMaster controllers with Canon-engine laser printers. It can be done, since LaserMaster allows scalable dots as well as scalable fonts to improve apparent resolution beyond the 300x300 norm. FYI, LaserMaster uses their own, proprietary pdl, but the file is converted "on the fly" so time is not wasted in numerous edit-print-edit sessions. The output still exceeds Postscript speeds. {Acapulco} =========== From: ACAPULCO To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/09/90 20:56:25 Message Number 3516 I'm in. {Acapulco} =========== From: ACAPULCO To: MISS ELAINE NIUS Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:01:06 Message Number 3517 That name is familiar, but I'm having trouble placing tit to a face. I can't remember what my handle was way back then, but I'm sure I'd remember you once I knew the name. I'd drop some of the old board names, but those were violent times, and I'm not sure folks need to be reminded of them. My name's no secret. I'm Alan Frayer. But since handles are the proper thing on this board, I use {Acapulco} here. Good to read an old, familiar handle! {Acapulco} =========== From: ACAPULCO To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: ROAD RALLY Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:09:12 Message Number 3518 Weeeellll... I guess it depends on what kind of car you drive! :) I plan to talk to my brother and/or my mother about borrowing one of their cars, since I think they both offer better accelleration than my Hyundai, but I _can_ do it in a Hyundai. It'll just be frustrating. Okay, Chip. I'll take you in, if you want to team up with me. {Acapulco} =========== From: ACAPULCO To: BEATLE Subject: A LONG LINE Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:15:50 Message Number 3519 Look into Slaughterhouse Five and Catcher in the Rye. Both books are classics that have trouble frequently with school systems. {Acapulco} =========== From: RUFUS To: TURTLE Subject: ST Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:24:41 Message Number 3520 >Huh? What word didn't you understand? =========== From: RUFUS To: BEATLE Subject: ST Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:26:07 Message Number 3521 >which episode...last season's swimsuit episode? Err, I have no idea. So it's the new yearly swimsuit episode. =========== From: RUFUS To: KEN OBER Subject: Furry Tape ][ Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:28:34 Message Number 3522 Like, I'd like a copy of the tape dude. When can I get you a tape?? You can pick up a copy of Mythagoras for $5 from me (contrary to the misprinted cover price of $3). O.K. So I'm a money hungry Rufus... Actually, you could probably get an issue of Mythagoras from.. a)Bart Fox b)Turtle c)Donthen d)Time Machine (btw, they moved it up into the science fiction section) =========== From: RUFUS To: ACAPULCO Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/09/90 21:33:33 Message Number 3523 >My name's no secret. I'm Alan Frayer. Gee, it took 2 months and a furry party for me to find that out! >...old board names, but those were violent times... The good old days... I've been BBSing for, gee, 5 years now and have seen a lot happening around here. =========== From: CRYSTAL To: SNAKEBYTE Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/09/90 22:14:21 Message Number 3524 >"I don't think many people "watch" her for her musical talents." I hope not. I do believe she is an excellent dancer. I also think she should have stayed a dancer. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: CRYSTAL To: TURTLE Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/09/90 22:25:10 Message Number 3525 Yes dear, I know you understand. Even you, yourself said " hay, this place looks like my living room." We were in Computer Anex at the time. * CRYSTAL * =========== From: ACAPULCO To: RUFUS Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/09/90 22:45:54 Message Number 3526 Rufus, no one said you were particularly observant (but then, I may be the first to imply you aren't). ;) I've forgotten how long it's been, now. I _think_ I remember who Miss Elaine Nius is. I _don't_ remember who I was, if I was anything other than myself. I'll show my age by stating I remember the original Nexus of Venice. You, my friend, arrived on the scene _after_ the traumatic events of those days. This had to be nearly 7 years ago. If this Miss Elaine Nius is the same person I remember, we should have some frightening memories to exchange. {Acapulco} =========== From: TURTLE To: BEATLE Subject: A LONG LINE Date & Time: 04/09/90 23:52:17 Message Number 3527 A good source of information on censorship is People for the American Way. They are a non-profit coalition of bleeding-heart liberals whose sole purpose is to catalog instances of censorship and attempted cen- sorship in the United States. I don't know their address (can anyone help?), but if you write to them they will send you their list of censorship acts that's updated yearly. (Penthouse magazine prints the entire year's list when it comes out in December, I believe). I will warn you, though, it's kind of depressing reading...1989's list was fifteen pages long. I'll look around for their address and post it here if I can produce it. --An anti-censorship Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: AUB and YOU! Date & Time: 04/09/90 23:56:00 Message Number 3528 >Question...how can the local FIDO host be down half the time? Answer: Alfie Bruhel has about the same sense of responsibility as a housefly. Most of the echoes in this area actually end up being routed through Above Board; the ones that go through AUB tend to have difficulties more or less constantly. If you're planning on picking up any local echoes, I'd strongly suggest getting them from Above Board or somewhere else... --A non-Matrix Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: KEN OBER Subject: Furry Tape ][ Date & Time: 04/09/90 23:58:56 Message Number 3529 You can get ahold of a copy of Mythagoras from me--drop by sometime. The cover price is three bucks (cheap at twice that); leave me E-mail telling me how I can get you one or when you can stop by to pick it up. --A Mythagoras Turtle (but only against my will!) =========== From: TURTLE To: YNGLING Subject: Dragonreading Date & Time: 04/10/90 00:01:00 Message Number 3530 I gave up on the Dragonriders series after the second trilogy. I likes (oops--LIKED) the first three a whole lot, particularly "The White Dragon;" I found the Dragonsinger/Dragonsong/Dragondrums series mildly entertaining, and I didn't even bother with any of the ones after that. Anne McCafferey after a certain point gets too...well, too Anne McCafferey. (Have you ever read any of her non-Pern stuff, by the way? Crystal Singer is really good, although all the ones in that series after it aren't all that great...) --A literate Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: CORWYN OF AMBER Subject: Strong typing.. Date & Time: 04/10/90 00:03:58 Message Number 3531 Speaking of computers...just got me a new one today, an SB-180. Only computer I own right now that isn't obsolete. It has 512K of RAM, an HD64180 processor, one SCSI port, two serial ports, one disk drive controller, and other assorted neat stuff all on one card that's about three inches wide and six inches long. It also has an attached 1200 baud modem that measures about three by two inches and contains a second SCSI port, a speech synthesizer, a voice recognition system, and a 300/1200 baud smart modem... I'm in heaven... --A Z Turtle =========== From: TURTLE To: ACAPULCO Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/10/90 00:10:41 Message Number 3532 >...until you see the output of the LaserMaster system, you better >reserve your judgement... Frankly, I doubt I'd be impressed, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the merits of PostScript or HP's page description language. The first laser printer I ever used printed with a resloution of 1720x1240 dots per inch at a throughput of three pages per second...I kind of got spoiled, and now it's /real/ hard to impress me. The problem I have with HP's products isn't that the output doesn't /look/ good; all laser printer output looks good. The problem is that (a) I don't like the idea of a laser printer that requires font cartriges (!) and (b) HP's PDL is amazingly primitive when compared to PostScript--so much so, in fact, that it would be very difficult for me to do the sort of work I normally do on a laser printer with an HP product. (Of course, HP's laser printers also have other problems, like the fact that they store a complete bitmap of the page so if you print a solid black page you need at least a meg and a half of RAM if you don't want only half the page printed on two sheets of paper...) --A PostScript Turtle =========== From: ACAPULCO To: TURTLE Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/10/90 00:40:24 Message Number 3533 I would agree with (a) if it were true. The HP doesn't require font cartridges; you can use downloadable fonts, too (like those from Bitstream). I agree with (b), which is why I like LaserMaster. They have a better approach (in my humble opinion) at a pdl (they have one; so it _has_ to be better than HP, right?). {Acapulco} =========== From: DONTHEN To: ACAPULCO Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/10/90 13:57:42 Message Number 3534 What's a LaserMaster? Comparing PostScript to PCL--the language in normal HP LaserJet printers--Turtle is correct. If you're comparing it to something /else/, then obviously he'd be wrong. Of course, you could turn around and compare it to a professional typesetting system running Scribe or TeX and say both PostScript and PCL suck. (And sure, you /can/ connect such a machine to a microcomputer: the first two or three years of Creative Computing were produced by entering everything into Electric Pencil on a TRS-80 Model I which was interfaced to just such a typesetter.) But, doing that is taking the comparison far out of the league it was originally set in. =========== From: DONTHEN To: ACAPULCO Subject: HP Laserjets Date & Time: 04/10/90 14:02:45 Message Number 3535 Well, I'm sure you can do 'serious' publishing without PostScript (like the TRS-80 Model I thing I described last message). But, PS is one of the most flexible PDL's out there and is completely device independent; from your description of LaserMaster, it sounds like it fudges to get beyond 300x300 dpi. I also suspect the Model I system up there was faster than both PostScript and LaserMaster, but it probably cost 5 or 10 times as much (and had 5 or 10 times better output quality, and was 5 or 10 times harder to use). You can find exceptions to every "rule." I'd still pick a PostScript system for doing any microcomputer-based DTP with any popular hardware/software setup, ranging from the Mac or IBM running PageMaker to the Amiga running Professional Page or the Atari ST running PageSetter, or even the CP/M machine running Magic Series... all of them let you plug your LaserWriter IINTX right into the RS232 port and print away. =========== From: DONTHEN To: ACAPULCO Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/10/90 14:08:45 Message Number 3536 I called the original Nexus of Venice long-distance once--it was running TBBS on a Model III. Then Dana switched to an MS-DOS system and became a twit (those things aren't causally connected; he probably would have been a twit no matter what he switched to). =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:49:36 Message Number 3537 That fact that a video system playing a Paula Abdul video without and sound would be as entertaining as watching Elle McPherson cook.... a sssssssssstimulatable SNAKEBYTE . . =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: TURTLE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:51:28 Message Number 3538 Hope you got all the spec's on the Rally. I'll have a good message soon with an announcement of when to be where, but the time and date should be the same..... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RUFUS Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:53:17 Message Number 3539 3-D video's were made for that (not for audio)..... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: RUFUS Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:54:03 Message Number 3540 As long as they are LEGAL, all food donations will be accepted. Don't mind if I make you eat one first..... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: JONBOY Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/10/90 17:55:46 Message Number 3541 Oh it's gotta be true!!!!!! You read that shit ?!?!?!?! If it's printed in there, and their readers get off on it....good. They all have the taste quality of a well aged piece of dog shit. If I want to watch someone lure me physically, it ain't terrible, but I ain't watchin' it for the music (ooops....I associated the term 'music' with her....sorry).........a sweaty SNAKEBYTE . . =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: KEN OBER Subject: Remote Control! Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:00:42 Message Number 3542 ringggggggg.......ringgggggggg.......ringgggggggggg........... ^&%&^DX&yt7^*977n(*&s8&(*)D&SW7d67d85sOxOtd465s5d&(*&P*(&S)&*)(8-)*- The Rally is going to be good sized from the looks of things, keep them names 'a comin'.......... =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: CHIP P. UNICORN Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:02:04 Message Number 3543 O'tay.......hmmmmm, One Unicorn......GOT IT !!! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: BEATLE Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:03:30 Message Number 3544 Chip P. Unicorn, Ken Ober, Beatle, Rufus,........need more!!!! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: YNGLING Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:04:47 Message Number 3545 I'm sure she believes you as much as I do!!!!! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: ACAPULCO Subject: Road Rally.. Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:05:33 Message Number 3546 Chip P. Unicorn, Ken Ober, Beatle, Rufus, Acaplulco.....more!!!! =========== From: SNAKEBYTE To: CRYSTAL Subject: Nothing much Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:06:46 Message Number 3547 You mean she's something other then a dancer. Shit, my TV speaker hasn't worked in years.... =========== From: CHIP P. UNICORN To: RUFUS Subject: Y'all Date & Time: 04/10/90 18:44:03 Message Number 3550 >Err, so where have you been. You really don't want to know. All the government is allowing me to say is that it involved two llamas, exactly 113.74lb of Velveeta cheese, one red shoe phone, and seventeen copies of Daffy Duck, Illustrated. Chip P. Unicorn ===========