'##::::'##:::'#####:::'########: VIVA LA REVOLUCION! CERDO DEL CAPITALISTA!! ##:::: ##::'##.. ##:: ##.....:: =========================================== ##:::: ##:'##:::: ##: ##::::::: THE HELOTS OF ECSTASY PRESS RELEASE #459 !! #########: ##:::: ##: ######::: ZIEGO VUANTAR SHALL BE MUCH VICTORIOUS! !! ##.... ##: ##:::: ##: ##...:::: =========================================== ##:::: ##:. ##:: ##:: ##::::::: "Why Do I Date Closed-minded Pricks?" !! ##:::: ##::. #####::: ########: by -> Caitlin !! ..:::::..::::.....::::........:: 1/21/99 !! !!========================================================================!! Okay... and intro... la la la... this was a convo I had with an asshole on AOL. An asshole I stumbled apon once apon a time. It's pretty stupid, or at least he is. I can be so pathetic, jeez... assholes stick to me like a load in the eyeball. !!========================================================================!! AddictZero: Hello Synikalle: hi hi AddictZero: Question: Synikalle: yeeees? AddictZero: Why would anyone have to contemplate them being real? I believe that that would make someone disillusioned and just fucking crazy. Synikalle: I don't think people do contemplate it Synikalle: i just think that it's a subconcious thing that's there. There's no reason to say we're not real, so.. AddictZero: then why would anyone need something to realize that they are real when they know that already. No one is fake in the sense that they dont exist in reality Synikalle: what is real anyway. Yanno.. just a stupid fucking definition created by someone else. Synikalle: what is reality though Synikalle: everyone has a different reality AddictZero: Everyone is in agreement that everything around them (for the most part) exists in some reality, whether its mine or Mr. Smiths, it is still thre. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard anyone say. Synikalle: then why do you still talk to me. AddictZero: because I dont not like you. I just thought that that whole "clinging to something to assure that hey are real" thing is riduculous AddictZero: they rather Synikalle: Well, that's how alot of people are. Christians find comfort in Christianity and knowing that there is a heaven, and salvation... et cetera Synikalle: Lesbians find comfort in their secure sexuality Synikalle: as do Heterosexuals Synikalle: I'm different in that aspect. I don't find comfort in anything. AddictZero: but that doesnt ever make them think that they are fake, or even "not-real" whatever. Its a comfort device, but never a realization of being real because everyone knows that they are real Synikalle: when I was a few years younger, relationships were the only secure thing for me. but... now.. I like falling. Not having anything except blank sheets ahead of me is normal and intriguing and .. Synikalle: I'm using myself as an example. I have no faith except what's there in my subconcious. No words to describe it, no god, no thought. Pure Love. I have nothing to hide behind, nothing to believe in, nothing to argue over, because there is nothing there. Synikalle: I accept what I am given at each second of each day. I don't question what is there.. because there is nothing to question Synikalle: most people can't deal with that. Synikalle: in fact, almost everyone. Synikalle: including you, obviously. AddictZero: But why would anything make you real when you already are real? I question everything to further myself. everything is a learning process. Synikalle: nothing makes you real. It's the idea of security. if there's nothing to cling to, you float off into the abyss. AddictZero: no you dont. I cling to nothing and I am stronger because of it. Synikalle: actually, you're a philosopher, you cling to simple definitions of life... Synikalle: definitions = meanings. Synikalle: like your whole quest for picking apart everything AddictZero: no, becase I dont care what life means because I already know. So there is no clinging Synikalle: then why were you so upset for the past week or whatever, why did you have to decipher every little thing that life has been shown as AddictZero: I didnt. I didnt decifer anything. I had to decide some personal things. See...I told you that you'd see and by showing you I find that you dont get me one bit. You dont know me Synikalle: See, the thing is Jaime.. Synikalle: I'm not saying you're completely wrong... Synikalle: what i'm trying to point out is your concrete beliefs AddictZero: I'm not wrong at all. Synikalle: everything that you know is how everything is definately. everyone else is wrong. Synikalle: I don't know if what i feel is right, but i don't know if it's wrong AddictZero: And I have no concrete beliefs because I decide what I believe when it is shown to me. Then I can discount that also. I dontbelieve in anything for clingingness or security. Synikalle: well, how i feel, doesn't discount anyone. anybodys beliefs could be right, or wrong Synikalle: because nobody knows for sure Synikalle: and you're right, I don't know you at all. You keep yourself well hidden, and don't give other people a chance to see inside. AddictZero: Thats beacause I dont have to show anyone who I am and rarely I do. Theres things that no one needs to know and things that arent known to anyone because it would make them realize many things about themselves and destruct certain thoughts that they had. i save them from that AddictZero: I'm not into discosure. I gain trust in other ways Synikalle: you're pretty confident in that. but not everyone is weak like you think. Synikalle: there is.. getting to know people.. i'm not saying just be an open person.. AddictZero: Yes they are. Mostly everyone is weak and feeble minded and cant take certain things. I can tell this of people Synikalle: I'm saying, not everybody is. I already pointed out the fact that most people are insecure, but what I am saying... not everybody is. AddictZero: 99.9% are. You are. I was. dont say your not, because there is much evidence to support this Synikalle: no need to get arrogant. Synikalle: "you don't have to like me for who i am.. but we'll see what you're made of by what you make of me." AddictZero: I'm not being arrogant. I am a bringer of truth. I can tell who someone is the second they open thier mouths. And I am made of what people made me. "You aren't who you think you are, you're what everyone else thinks you are" -Fishism Synikalle: that's stupid Synikalle: no offense Synikalle: :) AddictZero: Don't take all of this as a "I hate you" thing, or any other negetive way. And thats not stupid. It's the fucking truth. What is truth you may ask...Well, we all know what truth is Synikalle: classic western thinking. Synikalle: as for the last quote, that might be the motto of marketing employes, but if you're seriously using that quote, that's what we in the biz call "superifcial as hell" AddictZero: What isn't true about that? You can think you are something, but ultimatly for what? To project that upon someone else. If someone thinks I am an asshole then thats what I am. I can think whatever I want but it's all up to everyone else. Like you...You think the world of yourself although someone may think that you are a bitch and any other negetive thing. They dont see you as being gorgeous and whatever...they see you as a bitch. That makes you a bitch then. And its not superficial. Its true... AddictZero: you just want to be above it. No one is Synikalle: yeah, so what if you leave a little piece of yourself with everyone else, that doesn't make you what everyone else thinks you are. everyone gets different impressions of people, even when they get to know them. Synikalle: they're two different extremes Synikalle: one can not rely only on what they think of themselves, NOR what others think of them--they must use both Synikalle: however, ultimately what you think of yourself will guide you farther in life Synikalle: for someone can be a truly wonderful person, yet still mocked and hurt. does that make them less valuable? of course not. AddictZero: Yes it does because thats what they are made into Synikalle: there are too many people in this world to worry about what each individuals percieves you as AddictZero: right. I am not saying you should wrry about it. But to you you are the best. To me I am the best. No who else believes that I or you is the best? No one. Its good to have esteem and not give a fuck what people say but still, we are what they say we are Synikalle: you cant be made into anything by what others think of you...its you who start anything and that spawns whatever thoughts others might have....its just different ways of perceiving the same thing, if you want to get philosophical Synikalle: you are not soley made who you are by what others think of you. there are several factors. you can choose to be affected or not be affected Synikalle: to say our entire identity is made by what others say about is is pretty silly, i think Synikalle: or just naive Synikalle: if a person is relatively weak...their identity can be changed by what others say....but only to a certain extent AddictZero: Check it...You just arent looking at this the right way. You are who you are to no one but yourself. Now, given you may come off as close as you can to what you think you are, someone still will take away from that by making an opinion on you making you someone else. still Caitlin, but Joe's Caitlin, not Caitlin's Caitlin Synikalle: so, what the hell is your point, anyways? AddictZero: I already established that AddictZero: I could sit here all day arguing my point versus yours and we will get nowhere. I am leaving now Synikalle: well AddictZero: well what? Synikalle: i still miss seeing you Synikalle: *giggle* AddictZero: We'll see about fixing that. With school and pre made plans for this weekend, it may be difficult. We'll do something soon though Synikalle: heh, neat. AddictZero: Now I leave you Synikalle: peace. !!========================================================================!! !! (c) !LA HOE REVOLUCION PRESS! HOE #459, LOGGED BY: CAITLIN - 1/21/99 !!