The F I D O N E W S Volume 23, Number 52 25 Dec 2006 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | | | | FidoNet community. | | Netmail attach to (POTS): | | | | | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-960447) | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Netmail attach to (BinkP): | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:203/0 | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | | | \_______\(_| /_) | Email attach to: | | _ @/_ \ _ | bfelten @ telia dot com | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2 The IP problem ........................................... 2 3. FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN .......................... 4 Risgrynsgr”t ............................................. 4 4. BEST OF FIDONET .......................................... 5 Moderating ............................................... 5 5. ROBERT COUTURE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................ 6 FidoNet Software References .............................. 6 6. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 11 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 11 7. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 13 How to Submit an Article ................................. 13 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 15 FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 1 25 Dec 2006 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= Most persons would succeed in small things if they were not troubled with great ambitions. -- Henry Wadsworth Longfellow ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 2 25 Dec 2006 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= The IP problem By Matt Bedynek, 1:106/1 The cries of modem negotiations echoing through the hallway has now been replaced by the silence of the TCP/IP three way handshake. And, still, fidonet coordination has failed to update policy. What disturbs me the most is that none seem concerned with this. It seems that when people cannot agree on how to best implement the IP standard that the discussion falls to the wayside and we remain stranded on the derserted island known as P4. What does it take to find a solution and compromise? Why must we give in so easily? I am a regional coordinator, therefore, my hands somewhat limited. I implement IP connectivity in my region to the best of my ability, that which serves the interests of my region to promote growth and reduce attrition. Unfortunately, these are using standards which are somewhat unoffical as far as the whole of fidonet is concerned and that are loosly agreed upon. But, anything less would hinder the prosperity of the region. There are others in other parts of the world that do not agree with how things are done here, and I can understand how they feel. But, I believe that we all share the blame, in part. Those who bend practice and those who do nothing to establish a new one. My position is this: 1) We have to allow any node to be listed as POTS or ION or both. But we also have a duty to protect those who might incur costs by misdial. We can also agree that with the wide array of fido technology for IP that ION is a viable and integral part of fidonet. -unpublished- without 'Pvt' has undergone a lot of testing. We cannot test all software but the network has reached a critical point such that some things might have to be broken to move foward. -unpublished- can even be used on coordinator entries and provides a nice compromise. 2) We need to agree on a single method for POTS and IP. POTS has FTS-1 but this is outdated and needs to be updated. All modern mailers support newer standards (EMSI). For IP, BinkP is the most popular and should be the standard. Those who run telnet gripe when we say BinkP should be the IP minimum standard but those people ironically also run BinkP anyway. Nothing says you can't fly flags indicating telnet support or that you can no longer run it. 3) All nodes should have a minimum of one or the other. Nodes that cannot be reached directly at all, why are they not listed as points? Even as more of us turn to IP because of cost, availability of broadband, and outright simplicity, the most that has happened within the upper levels of fidonet has been arguements over the IC position and a few other trivial matters. Therefore, I put the question to you: what can we do to find a solution? And, would you be satisfied with methods you dont necessarily agree upon up front just so we can pass the first hurdle? And, lastly, why must people make concerted efforts to kill the discussion altogether when they cannot get their way entirely? FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 3 25 Dec 2006 ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 4 25 Dec 2006 ================================================================= FIDONET'S INTERNATIONAL KITCHEN ================================================================= Risgrynsgr”t (rice porridge) By Bj”rn Felten, 2:203/2 This is a classic Christmas dish in Sweden, but naturally it's a dainty dish any time of the year. The kids love it. Make a big batch, it'll keep several days in the fridge without problem. For 2 servings: 1 dl rice 2 dl water 2 tbsp (30 ml) butter 3 dl milk 1 pc cinnamon (whole) 1 tbsp (15 ml) sugar 1 tsp (5 ml) salt Put the oven on 120 centigrade. Let the rice, water and butter simmer on really slow heat for 10 minutes. Stir down the milk and the rest of the ingredients and bring to a boil. Now let it cook in the oven for 40 minutes without stirring. You can of course keep cooking it on the stove, but then it's a bit tricky to prevent the porridge from burning. Serve with milk; sprinkle with sugar and cinnamon powder. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 5 25 Dec 2006 ================================================================= BEST OF FIDONET ================================================================= Moderating By: Matt Bedynek, 1:106/1 (forwarded by Bj”rn Felten) For any degree of moderation to work, the users must either respect or fear the moderator. A user who respects himself and the moderator will likely never need to be moderated. That user may occasionally slip up but a polite reminder is all it takes for common sense and decency to resume it course. A person who has no self respect often requires a third party to act as their conscience and intervene at every turn can only be moderated through fear of losing their access. If that fear is eliminated you have people swearing all sorts of vile utterances, attacking one another, including any image of authority. Think of Kohlberg's theory of moral development, if you're familiar with psychology. To me, it seems, those demanding someone moderate them by shouting "hey, asshole, moderate me!" are saying a lot about themselves and their personality, and I wonder if they realize how negative it really is. You and those among you who share the concept this moderator is bad could always go after them instead of attacking the moderator. Perhaps you all could use a "social contract" to exact a "user instituted feed cut"; imagine if you will, someone who is so bad that you call agree to simply deny access to your system for a feed? Hmmmm... Isn't that what a feed cut basically is anyway? ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 6 25 Dec 2006 ================================================================= ROBERT COUTURE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= -=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=- Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84 | | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889 | | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001 BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102 | | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998 BinkD |MI |http://2f.ru/binkd/ | | maloff@corbina.net | | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000 (Outdated) FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280 Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net | | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330 Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101 | | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/ | | v1.4 RC2 on Sep 22nd 2003 Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38 (based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463 | | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005 Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70 | |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English) (based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru | | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004 Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608 | | Website is in Russian only WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204 Software, Inc. | | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org | | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.10 FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 7 25 Dec 2006 FMail |T |http://fmail.nl.eu.org | | support@fmail.nl.eu.org v1.60 JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de (ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000 Squish |T |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/ | | Lanuis site redirects to above | | Squish is part of Maximus. +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net | | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222 ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com | | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002 EZYCom BBS |BT |http://ezycom.sytes.net | |http://members.westnet.com.au/centuryp/ | | ezycom@westnet.com.au 3:690/682 | | v2.0 on 3 May 2003 Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org | | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final Maximus BBS |B |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/ | | v3.03 | |Archives back online at: | |http://maximus.outpostbbs.net/ MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802 Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net | | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004 Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com | | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001 Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net | | groberts@nexusbbs.net | | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002 | | [Note: No Longer under active | | development.] Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be | | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002 RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120 Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | v2.62.2SW Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150 | | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999 FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 8 25 Dec 2006 Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net | | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net | | v3.10L Beta Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net | | support@telegard.net | | v3.09g2 SP4 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/ | | Last Update: August 2004 Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net Sean Dennis | | sean@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200 DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201 Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org Ruth Argust | | DoorMUD |D |http://doormud.com | | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002 | | Website is down after | | past the splash page. Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com | | scott@jibben.com | | 1995-99 Release dates John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com | | support@johndaileysoftware.com Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | | nannette@shiningstar.net Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com | | Tel: (404) 256-9518 The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ | | jpritch@eisonline.com | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002 Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013 Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org | | last update: Jul 17th 2002 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de | |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm | | (English Version) | | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de | | v1.25 2:2426/1210.13 FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 9 25 Dec 2006 CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only) | | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999 FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460 | | support@freexp.de | | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot) OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004 | | (Site is in German Only) | | mk@openxp.de v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004 | | Download Page comes back 404 not found. +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ GoldEd+ |E |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/ 2:203/6600 | | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003 SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de | | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999 TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet | | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed | | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com | | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997 Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/ Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806 (Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001 TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ | | transnet@ressl.com.ar | | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998 TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard Communications, Inc.| | Unsure about support now but Free Keys | | are now available. Donations accepted. | | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program) Ifmail |UI |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net | | crosser@average.org 2:5020/230 | | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway | | Program. Meltdown-BBS |UI |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/ | | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan | | @spamgourmet.com | | Fido: 2:350/5 | | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <-> | | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system. MakeNL |U | http://hub2000.darktech.org/makenl | | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 10 25 Dec 2006 | | Fido: 1:229/2000 | | FidoNet Nodelist Processor +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/ (in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings) +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ File Archives: http://archives.thebbs.org http://www.filegate.net http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu Note: most also provide FTP access (use ftp:// instead of http:// above) *=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=* Please send corrections & additions to: Robert Couture, 1:229/2000 E-Mail: rpa4email (at) rogers (dot) com Telnet: runekeep.darktech.org (Leave Feedback as Guest or create an account) Emeritus: Ben Ritchey, Todd Cochrane, Frank Vest, Peter Popovich ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 11 25 Dec 2006 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.356 size 660.5kb date 2006-12-22 The nodelist has 5501 nodes in it and a total of 7380 non-comment entries including 6 zones 46 regions 332 hosts 377 hubs admin overhead 761 ( 13.83 %) and 653 private nodes 209 nodes down 256 nodes on hold off line overhead 1118 ( 20.32 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 453 ( 8.23 %) 9600 = 4303 ( 78.22 %) (HST = 83 or 1.93 %) (CSP = 0 or 0.00 %) (PEP = 1 or 0.02 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.02 %) (V32 = 2181 or 50.69 %) (V32B = 130 or 3.02 %) (V34 = 2964 or 68.88 %) (V42 = 2474 or 57.49 %) (V42B = 138 or 3.21 %) 2400 = 40 ( 0.73 %) 1200 = 5 ( 0.09 %) 300 = 700 ( 12.72 %) ISDN = 383 ( 6.96 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 1652 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 12 25 Dec 2006 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 7 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 2 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 2 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 26 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 217 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 2275 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1320 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 1984 ( 36.07 %) MailOnly nodes = 3065 ( 55.72 %) Listed-only nodes = 450 ( 8.18 %) Other = 2 ( 0.04 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-52 Page 13 25 Dec 2006 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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