The F I D O N E W S Volume 23, Number 44 30 Oct 2006 +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ | |The newsletter of the | | | | | FidoNet community. | | Netmail attach to (POTS): | | | | | Editor @ 2:2/2 (+46-31-960447) | | | ____________| | | | | / __ | Netmail attach to (BinkP): | | | / / \ | Editor @ 2:203/0 | | | WOOF! ( /|oo \ | | | \_______\(_| /_) | Email attach to: | | _ @/_ \ _ | bfelten @ telia dot com | | | | \ \\ | | | | (*) | \ ))| | | |__U__| / \// | Editor: Bj”rn Felten | | ______ _//|| _\ / | | | / Fido \ (_/(_|(____/ | Newspapers should have no friends. | | (________) (jm) | -- JOSEPH PULITZER | +--------------------------+-----------------------------------------+ Table of Contents 1. FOOD FOR THOUGHT ......................................... 1 2. GENERAL ARTICLES ......................................... 2 FON, the bummer .......................................... 2 3. ROBERT COUTURE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ................ 5 FidoNet Software References .............................. 5 4. SPECIAL INTEREST ......................................... 10 Nodelist Stats ........................................... 10 5. FIDONEWS INFORMATION ..................................... 12 How to Submit an Article ................................. 12 Credits, Legal Infomation, Availability .................. 14 FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 1 30 Oct 2006 ================================================================= FOOD FOR THOUGHT ================================================================= Either write something worth reading, or do something worth writing. -- Benjamin Franklin ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 2 30 Oct 2006 ================================================================= GENERAL ARTICLES ================================================================= FON, the bummer By Michiel van der Vlist, 2:280/5555 Last month I wrote about my not so successful hunt for FON access points. In the meantime it has become clearer why on a ten day 1000 km trip I was not able to find a single operational FON hotspot. The sad truth is that FON has mislead the fon community about the size of the network. When I wrote my first article in July and I proudly announced that I am now Fonero #67129 and that there were over 70.000 registered foneros by then I did not realize that this number means nothing. They no longer advertise the number of registered foneros on the FON website, but in his personal weblog the founder of FON, Martin Varsavsky, claims the 100.000 milestone has been passed. Thing is... it means nothing. The 100.000 is just the number of people that registered themselves. It does not mean that they are active in any way. Registration is free and it takes effort to unregister. So it does not take a degree in rocket science to predict that there will be "some" dead wood in the forest. The revelation came with the new maps. The old maps just showed the locations of the registered foneros. But there are actually three types of fonero: linus, bill and alien. An alien is someone who has registered himself with FON, but who has no FON hotspot on line. An alien has to pay for the use of the FON network. A one day card is three Euro. A Bill is someone who has a registered FON access point and who gets a share of the revenues generated through it. A bill has to pay when using someone else's FON access point, just like an alien. The third and in my humble opinion most attractive option is to become a linus. A linus does not get paid for sharing his registered hotspot, but in return gets free use of all the other FON hotspots. World wide. The new maps make a distinction in that they show an orange dot for a fonero without a registered access point and a green spot for the registered ones. Now zoom in on the centre of a big city like Amsterdam. Don't get discouraged by the extreme slow loading of the maps. There are a hundred and twenty one registered foneros in the centre of Amsterdam. But only a disappointing twenty four have the green aura to indicate a registered FON router. So there are twenty four FON hotspot in the centre of Amsterdam? Eh.. no. Look closer and you will notice two different shades of green. Dark and light. The FON router sends a heartbeat every hour to the central FON server to let it know it is on-line. The dark green spots are the routers that have been on-line in the last hour. And then we are down to ten. The rest is off-line... Only ten out of a hundred twenty one. 10/121... Other big cities show similar figures. San Fransisco: 10/149, Berlin: 12/166, Johannesburg 0/2, Rome 9/117. The best is FON's home town, Madrid: 23/204. Mind you that the routers are on line does not mean they are usable as a FON hotspot. It could be locked in a Faraday cage, it could be too far FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 3 30 Oct 2006 away from the street to produce a usable signal. The signal could be drowned by other signals. Or the owner could have moved to another location and not updated his position on the maps. Maybe that is what happened to the hotspot shown on the maps about two km west of me. I have been there with the laptop several times in the last weeks, it just isn't there. According to the maps there was a heartbeat last week. There was a hotspot in July, but now it just is not there any more and the heartbeat is now gone as well. Whatever happened, the only FON hotspot that I ever connected other than my own is gone. The claims of FON being the largest WiFi community on this planet turn out to be just hot air and I think FON has made a big mistake by misleading their congregation to this extent. They need volunteers to keep the hotspots in the air. To mislead them is not very smart as in the end the truth always comes out and misleading volunteers is deadly for their motivation. I frankly do not know if I will go on with the plan to mount an external antenna on the roof for my FON hotspot. Oh well, I am a HAM, I like playing with antennas, so I will probably do it anyway. But how many others will still be motivated to continue to support the project after finding out the painfull truth? FON has made other mistakes. Another mistake is that they have dropped support for the LinkSys. They promised that the next version of the firmware would have two SSID's. One for a public FON network and one for a private WLAN with WPA and WEP encryption. They have however changed their strategy. Apparently the strategy of giving out Linksys routers for a bargain has failed because many just bought it to get a good router for a bargain without any intention of ever sharing their resources. Register it, reflash it with the original Linksys software and forget about FON is apparently what many did. The problem is of course that there is no way to prevent this. In most European countries the "promise" to actually keep the hotspot on line is not legally binding. So now they have changed strategy, they dropped the Linksys and they made a deal with a manufacturer for a custom made WiFi access point: La Fonera. It sells for EUR 5 plus VAT and shipping and it only works with the FON firmware so it can not be sold on e-bay. So far... This leaves the early adopters with the Linksys in the cold. When La Fonora was introduced I got an e-mail promising me a "special offer" for a Fonera plus a "surprise". Well I am still waiting. But even if they give me a Fonera for a bargain, why should I take it? What is in it for me? I already have what I joined FON for in the first place: free InterNet access via their hotspots. But that turned out to be a bit a a bummer... On the bright side: the firmeware for the Linksys is based on an open source project: Openwrt. So we may see some "unofficial" firmware updates for he Linksys emerge in the not too distant future. And then the maps.. They are next to useless. Last month I wrote about the shortcomings of the maps; those were the old maps. The new maps are worse! For starters the system is agonisingly slow. The maps take minutes to load! Google Earth is an amazing project and I am dazzlad by the wealth of information it can provide. I can see the solar cells on my roof. Amazing! And also utterly useless when it come to finding FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 4 30 Oct 2006 a FON hotspot. I do not need high resolution satellite pictures, what I need is aa simple list of addresses or coordinates of the hotspots in the area I am going to visit. A list that I can print out and take with me when I go on a trip. Offline! But the new maps do not offer that. For a short while there was an option to downlaod a POI file for the popular navigation devices, but they removed that. As to the why we can only guess, but I would not be surprised if FON was swamped by complaints of people who drew a blank. Too revealing. I am also getting serious reservations about FON's business model. As I understand it FON started out as a competitor for the mobile telephone providers. That would be nice wouldn't it? Blow those greedy GSM operators with their usurious roaming charges off their socks! But I don't hear them about that any more. You need a browser interface to log into a FON hotspot and there are few WiFi VOIP phones on the market that can handle that. So they seem to have dropped that idea and are now concentrating on the more traditional InterNet applications. Keep in mind that the actual source of income are the alians. FON is sponsored by Google and Skype, but they shall eventually want something in return for their investment. Alians pay EUR 3 a day for access to the FOn network. That is a lot cheaper than what most commercial WiFi providers ask, but then again those others actually have hotspots in places where the traveller can make use of them. So who is going to pay EUR 3 a day for access via hotspots that are harder to find than the numerous free ones on this planet? Frankly I would not be all that surprised if FON went out of business before I ever have an opportunity to make use of one of their hotspots. Pity, it looked like a good idea. Join the family of FON: http://www.fom.com First published in The Netherlands on www.vlist.eu/fon (c) 2006, Michiel van der Vlist. All rights reserved. Permission to distribute via the Fidonews file echo and the FidoNews echomail conference. ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 5 30 Oct 2006 ================================================================= ROBERT COUTURE'S FIDONET SOFTWARE LISTING ================================================================= -=:{ FidoNet Software Reference }:=- Type: M=Mailer T=Tosser B=BBS D=Door C=Comm/Terminal P=Points E=Editor I=Internet U=Utility ?=Info .- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -. |Software: Author |Type |URL, Contact, Ver, Notes Help Node| `- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -' Argus |MI |http://www.ritlabs.com/argus/ 2:469/84 | | argus@ritlabs.com Tel: 373-2-246889 | | v3.210 on Mar 20th 2001 BinkleyTerm XE |M |http://btxe.sourceforge.net 1:1/102 | | v2.60XE/Gamma-6 on Nov 11th 1998 BinkD |MI |http://2f.ru/binkd/ | | maloff@corbina.net | | v0.94 on Jul 24th 2000 (Outdated) FIDO-Deluxe IP |MPUI |http://www.fido-deluxe.de.vu 2:2432/280 Michael Haase | | m.haase@gmx.net | | v2.4 on Sep 26th 2003 FrontDoor, FD/APX: |MTPC |http://www.defsol.se 2:201/330 Definite Solutions | | sales@defsol.se 1:1/101 | | v2.26SW & v2.33ml FD, v1.15 APX Husky Project |MTPUI|http://sf.net/projects/husky/ | | v1.4 RC2 on Sep 22nd 2003 Radius |MI |http://radius.pp.ru 2:5012/38 (based on Argus) | | fido5012@zaural.net Tel: 7-3522-469463 | | Last Release: v4.010 on Jan 3nd 2005 Taurus |MI |http://taurus.rinet.ru (Russian) 2:461/70 | |http://www.fidotel.com/taurus (English) (based on Radius) | | E-mail: taurus@rinet.ru | | v5.000 alpha on Oct 11th 2004 Tmail |MI |http://www.tmail.spb.ru v2608 | | Website is in Russian only WildCat! Interactive |MTBEI|http://www.santronics.com Net Server, Platinum| | sales@santronics.com Xpress: Santronics | | Tel: (305) 248-3204 Software, Inc. | | AUP 451.1 on April 26th 2004 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ Fidogate |TUI |http://www.fidogate.org | | Martin_Junius@m-j-s.net v4.4.10 FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 6 30 Oct 2006 FMail |T |http://fmail.nl.eu.org | | support@fmail.nl.eu.org v1.60 JetMail: JetSys |TU |http://www.jetsys.de js@jetsys.de (ATARI ST only) | | v1.01 on Jan 1st 2000 Squish |T |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/ | | Lanuis site redirects to above | | Squish is part of Maximus. +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ BBBS |BI |http://www.bbbs.net b@bbbs.net | | v4.00MP on Oct 25th 1999 2:22/222 ELEBBS: The Elevator |B |http://www.elebbs.com Software Production | | elebbs@elebbs.com | | v0.10.RC1 on Jun 9th 2002 EZYCom BBS |BT |http://ezycom.sytes.net | |http://members.westnet.com.au/centuryp/ | | ezycom@westnet.com.au 3:690/682 | | v2.0 on 3 May 2003 Hermes II Project |B |http://www.hermesii.org | | info@HermesII.org v3.5.9 Beta Final Maximus BBS |B |http://maximus.sourceforge.net/ | | v3.03 | |Archives back online at: | |http://maximus.outpostbbs.net/ MBSE BBS: |BI |http://mbse.sourceforge.net 2:280/2802 Michiel Broek | | mbroek@users.sourceforge.net | | v0.60.0 on June 5th 2004 Mystic BBS |B |http://www.mysticbbs.com | | v1.07.3 on May 13th 2001 Nexus BBS |B |http://www.nexusbbs.net | | groberts@nexusbbs.net | | v0.99.41-Beta on Oct 16th 2002 | | [Note: No Longer under active | | development.] Proboard BBS |B |http://www.proboard.be | | v2.17 on Jun 9th 2002 RemoteAccess BBS: |B |http://www.rapro.com 1:1/120 Bruce Morse | | bfmorse@rapro.com | | v2.62.2SW Spitfire BBS: Buffalo|B |http://www.angelfire.com/ia/buffalo/ Creek Software | | MDWoltz@aol.com 1:1/150 | | v3.6 on Aug 20th 1999 FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 7 30 Oct 2006 Synchronet BBS |BT |http://www.synchro.net | | sysop(at)vert(dot)synchro(dot)net | | v3.10L Beta Telegard BBS |B |http://www.telegard.net | | support@telegard.net | | v3.09g2 SP4 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ Atlantis Software |D |http://www.jimmyrose.com/atlantis/ | | Last Update: August 2004 Cheepware |DU |http://outpostbbs.net Sean Dennis | | sean@outpostbbs.net 1:18/200 DDS (Doorware |D |http://www.doorgames.org 1:2404/201 Distribution System)| | ruth@doorgames.org Ruth Argust | | DoorMUD |D |http://doormud.com | | v0.98 Jun 1st 2002 | | Website is down after | | past the splash page. Jibben Software |D |http://www.jibbensoftware.com | | scott@jibben.com | | 1995-99 Release dates John Dailey Software |D |http://www.johndaileysoftware.com | | support@johndaileysoftware.com Shining Star |D |http://www.shiningstar.net/bbsdoors/ | | nannette@shiningstar.net Sunrise Doors: |D |http://www.sunrisedoors.com Al Lawrence | | al@sunrisedoors.com | | Tel: (404) 256-9518 The Brainex System |D |http://www.brainex.com/brainex_system/ | | stanley@brainex.com 1994-99 Releases Trade Wars |D |http://www.eisonline.com/tradewars/ | | jpritch@eisonline.com | | v3.09 (DOS-32) in 2002 Vagabond Software: |D |http://www.vbsoft.org 1:124/7013 Bryan Turner | | vagabond@vbsoft.org | | last update: Jul 17th 2002 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ APoint |PI |http://www.apoint-mail.de | |http://www.apoint-mail.de/indexe.htm | | (English Version) | | dirk.pokorny@apoint-mail.de | | v1.25 2:2426/1210.13 FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 8 30 Oct 2006 CrossPoint (XP) |P |http://www.crosspoint.de (German Only) | | pm@crosspoint.de v3.12d Dec 22nd 1999 FreeXP |P |http://www.freexp.de 2:2433/460 | | support@freexp.de | | v3.40 RC3 Aug 31st 2003 (Snapshot) OpenXP/32 |PI |http://www.openxp.com 2:248/2004 | | (Site is in German Only) | | mk@openxp.de v3.8.15 Beta Feb 10th 2004 | | Download Page comes back 404 not found. +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ GoldEd+ |E |http://mik.nu/golded-plus/ 2:203/6600 | | v1.1.5 Snapshot on Feb 28th 2003 SqEd32 |E |http://www.sqed.de | | v1.15 on Dec 15th 1999 TimEd |E |http://blizzard.dnsalias.org/fidonet | | mail@ozzmosis.com /timed | | v1.11.a5 in March 2003 3:633/267 +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ GiGo |UI |http://www.gigo.com | | v0109 on Jan 9th 1997 Internet Rex: |UI |http://members.shaw.ca/InternetRex/ Charles Cruden | | telnet://xanadubbs.ca 1:342/806 (Khan Software) | | v2.29 on Oct 21st 2001 TransNet |UI |http://www.ressl.com.ar/transnet/ | | transnet@ressl.com.ar | | v2.11 on Jul 18th 1998 TransX: Multiboard |UI |http://www.start.ca/software/multiboard Communications, Inc.| | Unsure about support now but Free Keys | | are now available. Donations accepted. | | v3.5 (Note: KeyGen is a Windows Program) Ifmail |UI |http://ifmail.sourceforge.net | | crosser@average.org 2:5020/230 | | Ifmail is a FTN <-> E-Mail/News Gateway | | Program. Meltdown-BBS |UI |http://meltdown-bbs.sourceforge.net/ | | meltdown-bbs.project.petkan | | @spamgourmet.com | | Fido: 2:350/5 | | Meltdown-BBS is an FTN <-> | | Web/PHP/MySQL BBS forum system. MakeNL |U | http://hub2000.darktech.org/makenl | | fidonet.hub2000 [at] gmail [dot] com FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 9 30 Oct 2006 | | Fido: 1:229/2000 | | FidoNet Nodelist Processor +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ National BBS List |? | http://www.usbbs.org Hispanic FIDO/BBS's |? | http://www.conecta2.org/pucela_bbs/ (in Spanish only) | | (Extensive software & BBS Listings) +- - - - - - - - - - -+- - -+- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -+ File Archives: http://archives.thebbs.org http://www.filegate.net http://sysopscorner.thebbs.org http://www.juge.com http://www.dmine.com/bbscorner/ http://garbo.uwasa.fi http://www.simtel.net http://wuarchive.wustl.edu http://www.bbsfiles.com http://hobbes.nmsu.edu Note: most also provide FTP access (use ftp:// instead of http:// above) *=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=*=.=*=-=* Please send corrections & additions to: Robert Couture, 1:229/2000 E-Mail: rpa4email (at) rogers (dot) com Telnet: runekeep.darktech.org (Leave Feedback as Guest or create an account) Emeritus: Ben Ritchey, Todd Cochrane, Frank Vest, Peter Popovich ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 10 30 Oct 2006 ================================================================= SPECIAL INTEREST ================================================================= Nodelist Stats Input nodelist nodelist.300 size 673.4kb date 2006-10-28 The nodelist has 5612 nodes in it and a total of 7548 non-comment entries including 6 zones 46 regions 337 hosts 378 hubs admin overhead 767 ( 13.67 %) and 661 private nodes 246 nodes down 262 nodes on hold off line overhead 1169 ( 20.83 %) Speed summary: >9600 = 459 ( 8.18 %) 9600 = 4406 ( 78.51 %) (HST = 84 or 1.91 %) (CSP = 0 or 0.00 %) (PEP = 1 or 0.02 %) (MAX = 0 or 0.00 %) (HAY = 1 or 0.02 %) (V32 = 2249 or 51.04 %) (V32B = 127 or 2.88 %) (V34 = 3023 or 68.61 %) (V42 = 2545 or 57.76 %) (V42B = 135 or 3.06 %) 2400 = 41 ( 0.73 %) 1200 = 5 ( 0.09 %) 300 = 701 ( 12.49 %) ISDN = 384 ( 6.84 %) ---------------------------------------------------------- File Req Flag Applicable software Number of systems ---------------------------------------------------------- XA Frontdoor <1.99b 1701 Frontdoor 2.02+ Dutchie 2.90c Binkleyterm >2.1 D'Bridge <1.3 TIMS Xenia -------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 11 30 Oct 2006 XB Binkleyterm 2.0 6 Dutchie 2.90b -------------------------------------- XC Opus 1.1 2 -------------------------------------- XP Seadog 2 -------------------------------------- XR Opus 1.03 26 -------------------------------------- XW Fido >12M 222 Tabby KittenMail -------------------------------------- XX D'Bridge 1.30 2313 Frontdoor 1.99b Intermail 2.01 T-Mail -------------------------------------- None QMM 1340 -------------------------------------- CrashMail capable = 2013 ( 35.87 %) MailOnly nodes = 3115 ( 55.51 %) Listed-only nodes = 461 ( 8.21 %) Other = 23 ( 0.41 %) [Report produced by NETSTATS - A PD pgm] [ Revised by B Felten, 2:203/208] ----------------------------------------------------------------- FIDONEWS 23-44 Page 12 30 Oct 2006 ================================================================= FIDONEWS INFORMATION ================================================================= How to Submit an Article If you wish to submit an article for inclusion in the Fidonews, here are some guidelines, if you send it as an attached file; the preferred method if you want reasonable control over how the published article will appear in the Fidonews: a) Plain ASCII text. 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