From: maxwell@deep-13.gizmo.com Newsgroups: alt.drugs Subject: Re: How to tell a NARC?? Date: 28 Feb 94 02:45:55 -0600 Message-ID: <1994Feb28.024555.1@deep-13.gizmo.com> In article <2ks0gt$hn0@genesis.ait.psu.edu>, Jah writes: > I was just curious for any info anyone may have regarding narcs: what > they can and can't do, anything to watch for in a suspected person? Of course you know that any narc worth its badge will lie to you if you ask it if it's a narc. If the narc is good at its job, you won't be able to tell it's a narc -- even _after_ you're busted. HOWEVER: you should be concerned about people who ask to see your grow room or ask you to perform illegal acts such as 1. scoring drugs for them. 2. telling them from whom they can score drugs. Be concerned if the person seems unusually assertive or pushy. If the person seems to know how to manipulate you into saying incriminating things, or asks too many questions... be wary. If the person makes you nervous: bail out -- at worst you're being overcautious, at best you preserved your freedom. You should know that narcs *are* allowed to injest illegal drugs, so just because some guy smokes a doob' w/ you, it doesn't mean he's "cool". There is a special case, wrt LSD (and presumably other psychotomimetics). It has been suggested that if someone asks you for acid and you think he might be a narc, tell him to "Open your mouth and close your eyes." The idea is that someone who wants to trip, and trusts you enough to ask you to supply them, should trust you enough to provide them with the appropriate dosage. But, so the theory goes, a narc, knowing full well the ego bending (or disassociative or psychotomimetic-- pick your fave term) effect of LSD will refuse the OYM&CYE offer because he fears the possible loss of his self- censorship and the subsequent possibility of outing himself. There is some validity to this (for instance I'd be very surprised if a narc would ever knowingly use LSD and xtc at the same time...) but there are some major holes, too. In the case of LSD, the narc could simply absent himself from the scene before the acid kicks in, or he could surreptitously counter-dose himself with thorazine, a drug guarenteed to short circuit acid trips [although the effects of thorazine should be fairly easy to discern]. Some other *possible* tip-offs include can include the wearing of fannypacks or the presence of a small group of people dressed in very similar clothing, moving as a unit. For instance, at Weedstock 92, they found a whole *nest* of narcs. They looked like regular hempsters -- one even carried a hempstalk walking stick (confiscated, no doubt, from some hapless WOD victim). These narcs initially outed themselves by their incessant solicitation at the event: going from campsite to campsite asking for shrooms, doses and herb. Eventually one of the narcs was spotted by a guy who'd been busted by him in another state. The organizers soon cordoned off these soulless, contemptable, professional liars and confronted them, which was when their "uniform" became apparent: several (3,4?) were wearing Arab-style headdress, and they were the only ones at the event so dressed. They moved as a group, although their separation was btw 5~20 meters so the group was difficult to discern. Apparently the headgear made it easier for the DEA spotters across the valley to keep them under watch. They all wore fannypacks to, I believe. As the first group of narcs was isolated, their backup materialized out of nowhere, although to the casual observer they appeared to be interested gawkers. They too were largely identifiable by a common apparel style, although it was a little more subtle. One guy in particular, christened "the Snake", was truly amazing-- he pulled off three or four costume changes in the span of about 10 minutes! It seeemed like everytime someone blinked, he'd be in a different style of dress; it took hours to track and eject him, i believe. So be concerned about someone with multiple pairs of sunglasses, T-shirts, and hats. At another event, I witnessed a similar set of characteristics under slightly different conditions: the Narcs outed themselves immediately upon arrival, on purpose. I guess they didn't want to have to bust anyone. They were all dressed essentially the same, carried fannypacks, wore the same color shirts, hats and sunglasses and moved as an amorphous unit. Unfortunately, this advice is mostly good only for public events, not small, private encounters. There is another type of narc that's a bitch to smoke out: the Babe. (called the honeytrap in spy novels). Here's the secret of the honeytrap: there aren't very many women involved in the scene, so women are welcomed fairly easily and unquestioningly; stereotypically beautiful women even more so. It's a major problem to deal with because it fucks up the sociology of the group. However, there tends to be a correlation between the Babe's apparent "availability" and "susceptability" and Narcness. If the female seems to be unattached and appears to be seriously wasted and/or sexually available, but moves from group to group -- especially if she implies scoring drugs will yield sexual favors -- watch out. I totally hate the honeytrap, it's extremely effective, and dealing with it can very easily generate lots of misogynist fallout. I imagine the best way to deal w/ this one is to look for her backup -- if you can find it -- and to monitor a "wasted" woman very very carefully, but very very surreptitiously and try to determine if she's really as wasted as she appears. lotsa luck. If you're concerned, the best bet is to split from her presence. The honeytrap is evil. But, Please, don't _assume_ that women are narcs. Unfortunately, good narcs know all about this stuff and won't make mistakes. And even more unfortunately, regular people can seem like narcs if you're paranoid or they're clueless fools. Of course, under NO circumstance should you ever threaten or harm a person you suspect of narcitude. EVER. bad karma, bad move, ugly scene. While Narcs are subhuman scum unworthy to dine on the contents of your bowels, you will get in major legue trouble for fucking w/ them. Let them grow old and die of natural causes without any intervention or harm from you and trust God to deal with them in his own time. (If there's any justice in the universe they'll be reincarnated as veal calves or drug-test monkeys.) That's the tactics. The strategy is to keep your nose clean, don't deal, traffic, or conspire or grow. Any input from the clueful? herbally.max mmonningh@igc.apc.org dir imi.