Apollo BBS Archive - September 1990

Apollo BBS Archive - September 16, 1990

Mail from Jeff Beck
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 02:30:04

No.

However, it might be interesting if you did a little research on the subject
of geomagnetism, and let me know what you found out.  I genuinely have no
knowledge of the subject, beyond an extremely superficial exposure; although
I must say that what little I *have* read has convinced me that nobody has a
really good idea of what makes it work the way it does.  However, most of my
sources have been at least 15 years old, and by now they may have had a
breakthrough.  I suggest that, rather than scouring the card catalogue,
which would probably only turn up some moldy, abstruse books on the subject,
you use the periodicals computer on the bottom floor of the main branch of
the Phoenix Public Library and do a search for the string "geomagnetism," or
failing that, "magnetism," and enter a secondary search string of "Earth" or
"earth."  That should give some fairly recent magazine titles (which they
will carry) where you can find some reasonably understandable articles on
the subject.  These magazines would include Discover, Popular Science, and
Scientific American, as well as Omni.  Discover would probably be your best
bet for finding a good, not too technical article.  Popular Science is I
believe more technology oriented, but I may be wrong.  Scientific American
is usually rather highbrow, and Omni often too casual, both in content and
standards, to be of much use.  Good luck.
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an <*> to stop
 1:I'll do a search on the subject but the time I have to visit the Phx. Public
 2:Library is nil.  Really.   I have so many things to do that need to be done 
 3:although I don't want to do them but I am forced to by my participation in 
 4:this society.
 5:
 6:I will (and you can too) call the ASU computer from my home, (965-7001).  If
 7:you are using 1200 baud then hit the CR five times on log-in.  Choose # 8 
 8:which is hardcopy when you are prompted for computer type if your specific 
 9:type is not listed.  I have chosen just about all of them with basically the
10:same results.   Then go to the enclclopedia and do a word search.
11:
12:There are a number of ways to log off, one being to simply disconnect and 
13:other is to hit CR/esc./BS/BS and type done.  Or something like that.
14:
15:I suspect that magnetism has somehting to do with the beginnings of the 
16:universe.  I'll explain my theory later on when I have more time.
17:
18:Rod
19:
20:(jerk off for jesus)

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Message: 69642
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last few on Westfall
Date: 09/15/90  Time: 15:00:23

        Yes Daryl, It does take strong determination to stand on your own
two feet.  It is easier to reject the Lord and fall into the trap Rod has
fallen into then it is to accept God's word.  You have friends, and we are
with you.

        *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-  God Bless!

Message: 69643
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Politics
Subject: 3rd party
Date: 09/15/90  Time: 16:10:55

Ray Russell is still saying "no no" but Jerry Gillespie is charging ahead.
He has to gather 12,000 valid signatures by Friday.  Valid means: registered
voter, didn't vote in either primary, didn't sign a petition to get another
candidate on the ballot.

Message: 69644
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Roger/puzzle
Date: 09/15/90  Time: 21:08:28

I did not violate a restricted axiom II.  That is, in my solution,
x E {M,I,U}.  I simply saw no reason why if Mx allows Mxx, why (Mx)x does
not allow (Mxx)x.

Message: 69645
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Darren/sound
Date: 09/15/90  Time: 21:14:22

Actually, it depends how you define sound.  Sound is not merely air
displacement; if it were, we would call any air displacement sound.  We do
not call tiny, high frequency oscillations like those produced by crystals
sound, even though they displace air.  Sound implies some biological
apparatus capable of perceiving and interpreting the waves, whether that
apparatus belongs to humans, dogs, birds, dolphins, etc.  What is sound with
reference to a dolphin may not be sound with reference to human beings.
Sound does not require air as a medium.  One can hear underwater, as well as
through solid objects.  Remember the fone-bone (or whatever that thing was
called)?

Message: 69646
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/Earth magnetism
Date: 09/15/90  Time: 21:15:00

I told you, I don't know.

Message: 69647
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Steve/#2
Date: 09/15/90  Time: 21:21:16

Sounds like an explanation from quantum mechanics.  The tree, you see, can
only occupy discrete positions, and it flits between the standing state and
the "fallen" state without occupying space in between.  The transition is
also instantaneous.  One cannot determine the state of the tree with
complete accuracy from observation, but must resort to statistical
mechanics.  While no one is observing the tree, it has both states, and
neither.  Haven't you ever heard of Schrodinger's Elm?

Message: 69648
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff/Puzzle
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 03:27:51

  You misunderstood the axioms.  Where it says that you may replace "Mx"
with "Mxx" (where "x" is any string), this applies to entire axioms, not to
parts of them.  That is you cannot start with "MII", and apply axiom II to
just the first two characters of the string.  Applying axiom II gives
"MIIII", because "x" represents "II".
  I think Roger misstated the axiom, by the way, because he restricted "x"
to being a single character, and it should be any string.

          We all live in a   ____nhnn________   yellow subroutine

Message: 69649
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/Poles
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 03:31:18

  No, there isn't a big lump of lodestone in Canada, or anything like that. 
The Earth is actually a big magnet, and the poles of the magnet do not line
up exactly with the axis.
  The latest scientific thoughts on the matter amount to a lot of confusion.
The magnetic poles move, and every so often change places.
  One theory of the extintion of the dinosaurs blames one of these
pole-reversals.

          We all live in a   ____nhnn________   yellow subroutine

Message: 69650
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: War!
Subject: Roger/Axiom II
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 03:36:41

RM>  I saw nothing in the text that would lead me to believe that x is a
RM>  member of the set {M, I, U}, only that x was a suffix of M.

  Then you misstated axiom II incorrectly in your original post on the
subject.

          We all live in a   ____nhnn________   yellow subroutine

Message: 69651
Author: Darren Erickson
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/All
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 04:41:36

Thanks, Rod.  I appreciate knowing there are still those out there in BBS
land that still remember me.
-----Darren

Message: 69652
Author: Darren Erickson
Category: Answer!
Subject: Jeff/sound
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 04:47:47

Sorry, Jeff.  I thought since trees were the subject, the medium of
transmission would be air shockwaves (as Rod suggests.)  I think an
identical question would be:  If your TV is on at home, and nobody is there
to watch it, would there be sound?
Comments?
-----Darren

Message: 69653
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Steve/puzzle
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 04:54:50

I did not "misunderstand" axiom II.  As I stated, I suspected that the
loophole given was unintentional, but as stated, there was nothing to
indicate that one could not replace Mx with Mxx, whether Mx was the entire
string or only a substring.

Message: 69654
Author: $ Jeff Beck
Category: Answer!
Subject: Darren/sound
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 05:11:58

I understand that you were addressing the issue in context.  I mentioned the
fact that sound can travel through solids and liquids, as well as air and
other gases, to show why we do not regard sound merely as propagated waves,
but as the perception and interpretation of these waves by biological
mechanisms.  You must understand that there is nothing to qualitatively
differentiate one such vibration from another, in this regard, since we call
various waves sound regardless of the medium of propagation.  If sound,
then, were any vibratory mechanical wave, we would be forced to call a great
variety of phenomena sound, far more, in fact, than we customarily do. It
makes no difference whether one uses a falling tree or a TV speaker as the
source of these waves. Sound refers to the perception and interpretation of
certain mechanical waves through material media, and we only speak of sound
with regard to its experience or possibility of experience by various
beings. What is sound for some beings may not be sound for others.
 
We use the term "light" in the same manner.  There is nothing qualitatively
different in the narrow spectrum of electro-magnetic radiation which we call
light.  We call it light because we see by it, just as we call something
sound because we hear by it.  We have recently taken to referring to
wavelengths above and below "visible light" as "light" (ultraviolet or
infrared) because we have discovered that other beings use this light to see
by, and because we can see by this light ourselves through the intermediary
of our machinery.

Message: 69655
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Politics
Subject: Sandi/3rd party
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 05:36:31

 The focal point of the proposed 3rd party's complaint really has nothing to
do with the lack of choice between Goddard & Symington, Sandi. It is really
little more than a bunch of sore losers chewing over their sour grapes
because the Mecham gang was soundly thrashed. They just refuse to believe
that not everybody loves them.
 Actually, while their backgrounds are quite similiar, there seems to be
quite a difference in the political philosophies of the two candidates.
While Goddard proved himself to be a tax and spend free swinging liberal
with little regard for the taxpayer's pockets, Symington espouses far more
conservative leanings. A political unknown, the only thing that bothers me
is that, being a multimillionare developer, his leanings would be more
toward the wealthy than the more easily damaged (fiscally) middle class who
already carry more than their share of the load of the cost of government.

Message: 69656
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff #69642
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 08:00:19

Since I am on the question and answers kick, maybe you will comment on
something you said in that post ... "It is easier to reject the Lord ..etc.
etc.....! No war intended, by why is it easier to reject the Lord???
This goes along with my question to Daryl on why does the Devil seemingly
have much more power than God and has much more the people want!!
If we were created with all these 'base', bad natures and the good ones too,
why are we always choosing the baser side and it is so hard to 'be good' so
to speak? The sexual urge, lust, hatred, along with kindness, humblness,
goodness is all a part of man's makeup - what makes one so much better than
the other? Can they not all be put under the umbrella of man's natural
instinct? If for example, a man 'lusts', be it in his heart or other wise,
what makes this such a sin? Sometimes, through that lust a lasting
relationship transpires. And I never did see the difference between wanting
someone sexually or lusting after them. Arn't they the same? If a person
lusts after someone that he can't have, belongs to another and their lives
are distroyed over it, then I can see where this might be called a sin. 
Perhaps the word lust bespeakes of over indulgence - lack of moderation. I
don't know. Would you care to comment? I'm interested in your point of view
also. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 69657
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Politics
Subject: paul/3rd party
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 10:53:59

Well, that's what many of them say, anyway, whether it's true or not. As
Mecham put it, Goddard and Symington are "two peas in a pod" to the far
right in the state; Symington would be an "80% disaster." I'm not saying
that's what I think, but at least according to what some people have said,
that's their objection to the governor race.

Message: 69658
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: School Kid/Democrats
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 11:53:27

        On the TV the other night, a reporter was interviewing children who
were planning on voting in a mock election.  When one kid was asked who she
would vote for, she replied "Democrats".  The Reporter quickly asked why
democrats?  The girl replied, "Because they give money to the poor"
(shades of Santa)  I could not help but think that someone should tell that
little girl where the money comes from that the Democrats so freely hand
out!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 69659
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Civil Rights
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 12:10:49

        Another issue on the ballot that both Goddard and Symington are in
favor of...The KING day!  Shades of the Phoenix 40 influence....

        First off, we don't need another PAID holiday at TAXpayer expense.
Second, if we must have a hoilday for 'Civil Rights', leave KING's name off
of it!

(What does paying a state employee with a day off, to sit home with a can
of beer so he can watch a ball game, have to do with Civil Rights?)

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 69660
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: jeff/Mxx
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 13:00:28

(Mx)x is not the same as Mxx according to axiom II. Remember Mxx ->
Mxxxx, not Mxx.

Message: 69661
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: steve/Mxx
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 13:01:56

Yes, as I was driving around on Saturday, I realized that x does not
have to be restricted to M, I, and U.

Message: 69662
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Steve McG/poles
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 14:17:48

When will another pole shift take place?  When it does will the event cause
humans to become extinct?

If the entire earth is a magnet then why do compass needles point to Canada
instead of straight down?

Message: 69663
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: the lord
Date: 09/16/90  Time: 14:18:31

It is far easier to choose the lord than it is to choose atheism.