Apollo BBS Archive - September 1989

Apollo BBS Archive - September 6, 1989

Mail from James Taranto
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 17:14:50

I am not a drug user.
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 1:Nicotine and alcohol are two of the worst and most addicting drugs that I 
 2:know of.  I am hooked on the former and need a fix quite often or I start 
 3:getting nervous.  Tis a shame but it is my fault.

Mail from Dean Hathaway
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 23:34:02

Hi,
  I am done with that REASON magazine I borrowed. I wrote down a lot notes
for my Pinto article while I was in Wisconsin and I will post it when I get
it all entered into my computer and edited. I got two other books on the
subject, but I never could find the one mentioned in the magazine.
  Have you watched that video tape yet? If you are done with it we can swap
the tape and the magazine back to where they came from.
   See You Later
      Dean H.
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 1:Yes, I am finished with the tape and am taking good care of it.  I have one 
 2:complete Libertarian sheet filled out for you.  There just are not that many
 3:registered voters out there.
 4:
 5:By the way, the 1989 Libertarian Convention was shown on C-Span last week 
 6:and I caught some of it.  I was duly impressed.  You were missed.  -Rod

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Message: 5872
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Hathaway
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 17:23:37

Big deal.  I was in Vermont and resource-rich Canada this weekend.

Message: 5873
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Last....
Subject: JT
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 23:40:30

   Thats nice. I was invited to go to Canada, but didn't care to. I did see
Mike Ditka on my way to O'Hare friday afternoon. He drives a Turbo Supra.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 5874
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:49:23

How's Frank, Mary and the children?

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Message: 3376
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:16:28

Ka iwa hula'ena ki'i makalei mapuna ka hala o kailua.

Message: 3377
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:58:56

The war-bird dancingly shoots high toward the sea that misses the coming
tide
 
 
(or words not very near to that effect)

Message: 3378
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 22:25:55

Kuwiliwili iho au mai lohilohi mai'oe ka manu ka u'ie opae e.

Message: 3379
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Todd
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:50:51

'E Kainga Kuo Hao.

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Message: 395
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: vote
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:59:38

But Rod doesn't realize that only the first vote counts, ...

Message: 396
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: But Beauregard
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:52:20

I was only saying what you said but a bit differently, that's all.

And remember, the first shall be last and the last shall be first.  What's
that again about my vote?

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Message: 60736
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Football pool
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 17:19:58

Anyone who wants to participate in the Heritage Foundation 1989 football
pool, call me at 202-546-4400 tomorrow before 5:30 EDT.

Message: 60737
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: USMA
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 19:14:15

        Looks like Mike is really going to give it a try... Great, We will
have another member to the Apollo Hit Squad, errr I mean the Apollo Knitting
Club.


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Message: 60724
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliffy
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 02:48:33

Better watch out there Cliff... just to spite you I will join
the USMA or whatever. Send me some forms or a phone number to call
in mail. You have my address and my phone #.
I will go all the way through to ADVANCED. Guaranteed..just
to SPITE you..and to see for myself what I am missing. Besides..
it sounds like fun.
 
Now..I await the forms or for a number to call. Hopefully they have
flexible class times as I'm a night-shift guru.
 
In whatever time it takes to complete the course..I'll then later
sum up a commentary on the whole thingy.
So I can talk "educated" about the courses.
 
        -Mike

Message: 60725
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Answer!
Subject: Outland
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 04:26:01

It is too early to tell, but the first strip seemed like Bloom County, only
with different characters.

Message: 60726
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: A.R.E. Clinic
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 04:26:44

Yeah, I especially like the gizmo with all the colored lights.

Message: 60727
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Answer!
Subject: A.R.E. clinic
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 06:05:13

        No, Ann, I was referring to "Edgar Cayce."
        I asked because I know a number of people that work there, and one
of them was, at one time, a regular Apollo user.  (He used an alias, so I
won't give away who it was.)
        As for what they do....  I think 50% is very good, and 50% is banana
oil.  Things like relaxation therapy and masages are on the "good" side,
but energy medicine... well, I have my doubts.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 60728
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob on doctors
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 07:44:02

Your joke was very funny - but no, this doc did not go beyond a hug. All the
doctors at that place do that, including the woman doc. They believe in a
good patient doc. relationship and love for all. One of their sayings is -
"The person that walks in that door is Ann Oudin that has a bad cold" - not
"Here comes a bad cold!" See? Believe me, it makes a BIG difference.
                          -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 60729
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau/quacks
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 07:55:34

Sorry Beau, but I smell a quack when I see one - these are NOT! For one
thing, you get well. I will give you a personal example that happened to me.
The first time I went to that clinic I had just gotten arthritis and was
taking 24 aspirin a day at the time and developed a terrible itching rash. 
I had to take it because it helps prevent deformity at the onset of this
type of arthritis. The doctor filled out a proscription and I took it to a
little pharmacy on the premises and was so suprised when the guy behind the
counter gave me a laxative and a mouth wash!!! I told him there must be
some mistake because I had a rash, not bad breath and constipation! He
called the doc to make sure and it was right. Well, you see, the laxative
was a special one that opened the pores of the skin and let the poisons out
and the mouthwash (a very old brand) was to rub on the rash to stop the
itching and disenfect the skin. It worked in less than two days. If I had
went to a reg. doc, he would have no doubt proscribed drugs and a expensive
salve. These two remedies cost less than $5! The doctor was/is an M.D. too.
                             -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 60730
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Nick/lights
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 07:57:49

What 'gizmo' with colored lights? -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 60731
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alan/last
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 08:02:38

I will have to agree with you on some of the things they do there. But I
believe that a person must believe in the remedy or it won't work most of
the time. Using the 'Wet Cell battery' is one of the remedies I question.
I think it is supposed to re-align your positive & negitive flow or
something like that. If one followed all the Edgar Cayce instructions for
health, one would have no time for anything else! -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 60732
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Mike/Number
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 09:06:28

        The USMA number is in the [SHOP] cmd...  See you there then!
Just type in USMA at the search prompt... easy as pie!
  

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Message: 60733
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 11:32:11

Re:  "the laxative
was a special one that opened the pores of the skin and let the poisons out"

Huh?  No wonder my laxative doesn't work.  I was expecting a different
result.

Message: 60734
Author: $ Spaz Brown
Category: Answer!
Subject: Beauregard
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 14:26:40

Do I care if you care?

(Now THAT is the question.)

HB

Message: 60735
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: WHAT IF!
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 16:58:19

   Let's play pretend for a little while.  Suppose, if you will, that 
God had thus far NOT sent his Son, Jesus, to Earth as of this writing.  
Please bear with me on this totally hypothetical situation.

   Now, let us eliminate the Bible from ever coming into existence.

   What do you think the world we live on would be like right now if 
the above-described scenario was true?  Think about it for a moment and 
perhaps you will be able to add something to this post.

   Would our little planet be all screwed up?  Drug dealers on every 
corner, murders on every block, criminals running free and jails being 
over-crowded?  It's a possibility.  Christian churches would not exist 
and the human animal would not have a moral guide-line.  Therefore 
mayhem would exist throughout this country.  Oh, the other countries, 
for the most part would be the same because their religion predates 
Christianity.  I imagine that there would be quite a few more Moslems 
living here along with groups that were into Buddha, Shiva and other 
gods, too numerous to mention.    
   Ask yourself, if you will, just what the differences would be if the 
Christian God and the Christian Bible did not exist.

   NEXT TO EXPLORE:  WHAT IF JESUS MADE HIS APPEARANCE NEXT MONTH FOR 
THE FIRST TIME EVER.  -Rod

Message: 60738
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: President Bush...
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 19:27:45

        Rhetoric and more rhetoric...or is it?  Anyone else listen to the
Presidents national TV talk on drugs?  I do agree, we need to do something.
Either goto a real war on drugs, or make them legal.  It would be nice if
America would rally together and put an end to illegal drugs.  Get involved,
and don't turn your back if you see something, was part of the message.  I
think I am going to just do that, so if any of you are recreational drug
users, either give it up or don't let me know about it.
        Another point, if you buy drugs, you are supporting the murderers
in Columbia, and are partly responsible for making the drug lords that
powerful... not to mention RICH.

        I am for a Drug free America!  Just say No...

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Message: 60739
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: last
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:14:15

I just want to know one thing - is Biden on drugs?

Message: 60740
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Imagine
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:35:44

Pretend if you will, that the Christian God and the Christian Bible did not
exist.  Rod Williams would be picking on Muhammed and the Qur'an.  And what
if they didn't exist?  He'd be bugging us about Hinduism and The Bhagavad
Gita.  And if they didn't exist?  Well, you get the idea.  If it doesn't go
along with what Rod thinks is right, let's pick on it.

Message: 60741
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/quacks
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 21:50:47

What do you want to bet that an allergic reaction to aspirin overdose goes
away normally in a couple days?  Am I correct in assuming that part of the
prescription was to stop taking the aspirin?
 
Did they cure your arthritis?  Who diagnosed it as such?

Message: 60742
Author: Jim Stark
Category: Question?
Subject: Hi there
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 22:06:37

If there weren't any Jesus or a bible then we wouldn't know about them ten
commandments.  PEople wouldn't know that it was a wrong thing to murder or
steal, let alone go to bed with your wife, now would they? No Siree Bob.

ANd too, every church would be like a store if we didn't know that Jesus
disapproved.  We never would have guessed that the Publicans, Scribes and
Pharasees were bad people.  ANd we never would have know about magic, like
turning ordinary tap water into some good tasting wine.  Or being able to
feed 5000 people with just a few crumbs of this and that. We are lucky.

If He hadn't died for your and my sins then we'd sure be sinful but you
know, we'd not know about that Satan or about Hell or even Heaven. 
We'd just live and not know about after death, is all.

Now we know that the bad people of the world will be punished and because
we know we can relax because the vengence is not ours to dish out, it is
the lords.  We ain't even allowed to judge anyone, 

Message: 60743
Author: John Tyler
Category: Answer!
Subject: Alan/A.R.E.
Date: 09/06/89  Time: 23:01:48

The banana oil might be good, too, depending on whether or not they use it
in the "relaxation and massage therapy."

Message: 60744
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Question?
Subject: OUTLAND
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:05:51

Now where can I find Breathed's new strip?
        -Mike

Message: 60745
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod's "Lets imagine"
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:14:01

O.k, let's just suppose that. That's like writing science fiction
...you can write just about anything but you really are just
writing on your whims. We can do the same with;
O.k..just suppose tomorrow the Constitution of the United States of
America is declared null and void by a secret ballot.
 
-or-
 
Let's suppose..just bear with me...that man was born with only
one set of appendages..(no legs) and the mouth was placed in
the back of our heads. How do you think AMerica would be now?
 
Your bent towards throwing blame on religion for moral ills of
society shows a lack of capability with real issues. Drug lords
don't exist because Jesus did or didn't. Violence, killing
and more violence don't exist because the church does or doesn't.

More bluntly; Taking your scenario...What if your landlord never
existed?
Answer: You wouldn't be in the rental you live in now.
Larger scale: What if there were no landlords?
Answer: There would be no rentals.
        -Mike

Message: 60746
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod II
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:25:06

Now let's look at some more "what if's";
Suppose the church never existed. Ok. Fine. Adding things up here
we have *no* basis for morals. Morals become defined on an
individual basis. There are no laws in the sense of a legal system we
have now..because there's nothing to base them on. So what is right
and what is wrong becomes an issue defined by an individual in a given
situation at one specific time. That "law" changes as the situation does.
In today's terms that is refered to as Anarchy in pure form.
Everyone runs around doing what they please. The only time anyone
needs anything or anyone is to satisfy wants, whims and basic needs.
No taxes, no organization, no cities, no "Landlards".
No organization means no help, no convenience, no mutually beneficial
and not mutually exclusive assistance. Trade becomes BARTER.
We ***EVOLVED*** into the cities and situation we are in now as far
as building society on a common good foundation. People and places would
sort of resemble the Roman Empire. You'd have people banding together
and forming alliances of a sort. Cities would exist. Every 20 years or
so though you'd have an overthrow (due to population density of current
Earth) of every major "alliance" if not more frequent. Therefore
there'd be little progress. Tending to one's own needs and wants
would be more important than helping someone else or doing a task to
benefit generations ahead as it would be destroyed in the rampant wars.

We have paralells of some of this today. The violence is an attribute
of those against an organized society..violence can be attributed to
disputes..disputes about material goods or services and ownership.
A dispute involves more than one person. It is the inability of the
persons to resolve the dispute in a civilized manner. Jesus hasn't
been inciting this..mankind has. Mankind looks to blame for his
own stupidity and picks God to spite his self hatred. 
Where Rod twists God into this is obvious. He blames God for everything
as it stands. Rod attempts to make rules for Gods' existance, by
making God responsible for everything Rod doesn't like...therefore
to alleviate the responsibility off of himself. Much like the pot
calling the kettle black. IN this case, God created the Heavens and
the Earth and man to dominate the earth. Man was left in charge..not
God. We do to ourselves as we do unto others. Pour acid into a bucket
of clean water and the acid permeates the water. Pour hate or
discontent into the world and it gets full eventually. Dig a hole
and you have a mound of sand. Pollute the atmosphere and you get acid
rain. Pour freon into the air and you get shifting weather...shifting
weather makes for unstable ground . We are destroying our home.
Not God. Not Jesus. Not the Bible. The holy trinity is there to point
the way to happiness and prevention. It is all too obvious fewer and
fewer are listening as the world "situation" grows worse.
Just imagine.........................
                        -Mike

Message: 60748
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Illegal Drugs
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 01:53:42

I have a good solution to get people off illegal drugs.  Make them legal.

Message: 60749
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mike
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 02:00:52

Thanks for the reply.  Although I do not agree with the content of your
posts, you have as much right to express them as I have.

Religion hasn't done a damn bit of good.  All it has done is divide people
against one another.  Todd Reese, James White, Cliff, Paul Savage, You, are
all so-called good Christians until you discuss your individual beliefs. 
Then you avoid one another.  Atheists or agnostics do not or can not have
these problems.  These two groups recognize that all are brother and live
accordingly.  

Rod

Message: 60750
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: Todd
Date: 09/07/89  Time: 02:02:30

Excuse please, but aren't you the same Todd Reese, member in good
standing of the Mormon Church, who went to Hawaii for two years in
order to gain converts to your religion? eh?

And isn't it that same church that has people come to my door from
time to time in order to convert me to their way of thinking?  And
when I refuse to pray with them then I am shown a passage in the Book
of Mormon that says, in effect, "those who do not pray are from
Satan"?

Am I refused these same rights by you?  Instead of calling me, "straw
man", straw man", why not answer my points, or can't you?  As you know,
the term straw man means 'a nothing person' and you sit there in front
of your computer and call me 'nothing' and you don't even have the
decency to try to prove me wrong.

As a representative of the Mormon religion you are not doing a very
good job, I believe.  Can't you do any better, Todd?   -Rod

P.S.  Hope this post doesn't 'tick' you off but isn't it about time you gave
and answer?  Carter did.  Savage ignores me.  

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 3:the Satricon at the time and thought some of (all) them needed to hit the 
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 6:Fuck a Duck, Screw a Pidgeon, Go to Hell and get Religion -Anon.

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