Apollo BBS Archive - September 1989

Apollo BBS Archive - September 27 - 29, 1989


Message: 61249
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: MLK
Date: 09/26/89  Time: 16:01:31

What did he do?
Lets call it cival
Lets call it cival rights day.xD

Message: 61250
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 09/26/89  Time: 16:14:26

Re:  "Big Brother"

I don't think the FBI was doing a "marital relationship" investigation. 
King's infidelity just happened to be exposed during an investigation.  I'm
not winking at anything.  And I didn't say I don't like King.

Maybe I'm replying to the wrong post.

Message: 61251
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 09/26/89  Time: 16:15:56

{Re:  "credit where it's due"

I stand corrected.  I still liked Ann's post.

Message: 61252
Author: John Kadow
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: multiple pseudonyms
Date: 09/26/89  Time: 17:41:14

The SYSOP has every right, of course, to run the BBS to his own tastes.  
It is also true, unfortunately, that posting under a consistent name allows
people to pidgeon-hole you -- which is the real reason for the frustration
of those who have complained about the use of false names.  Why should it be
important to "know who you are talking to"?  Unless, of course, you want a
convenient way to label and/or dismiss that person.  Even the consistent use
of a single pseudonym restricts in the same manner.  People always look for
pattern and consistency, even where there is none, and rather than accept
inconsistency and deal with the uneasiness they feel as a consequence, they
would impose pattern and consistency.  Once you have been identified with a
particular viewpoint, style, or attitude in a previous post -- even if
viewpoints, styles, and attitudes are often transient -- everything you say
henceforth is interpreted in the light of their mental model.  Depending on
the flexibility of the mind doing the interpreting, the model may be
modified to one degree or another, but it still exists, and more often than
not, it remains an innacurate and limited representation.
 
I also fail to understand why I should be expected to receive unwanted
personal communications.  Public messages require public responses -- and I
don't care if some humorless idiot from Pennsylvania or Texas or Kansas
thinks I'm seriously bashing his home state.  If I want a private reply I'll
request one, or use the post office to begin with, a medium which requires
a private reply.  Personally, I think this sucks...and I'm leaving.

Message: 61254
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John Kadow & Co.
Date: 09/26/89  Time: 19:52:22

        Good bye.....  Take care. 

Okay gang....  he is GONE!  You got what you asked for... right?

Regardless of what Kadow said, it is difficult to carry on a conversation
when you don't know if you are talking to one or twenty people.  It also
shows he is ashamed of what he posts and now, he is angry at us for posting
how WE feel about his multiple pseudonyms.... ref; "This sucks".

        Those of you who have sent this 'person' mail under one of his
momentary names....  will you please delete it so I won't have to try and
hunt them down.   Thank You in advance.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

'Glad that is over!'

Message: 61255
Author: Otis Clambake
Category: War!
Subject: HELLO
Date: 09/26/89  Time: 20:52:16

        I am a stupid, thoughtless and vulgar person.  Please forgive me.

Message: 61256
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: War!
Subject: Cliff's commentary
Date: 09/26/89  Time: 23:29:23

Sorry, I don't see where Kowtow said that he was ashamed of his posts.
Please gize.

Message: 61257
Author: Micheal Benedict
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hell on Earth
Date: 09/26/89  Time: 23:52:54

What if we are there?

Message: 61258
Author: Micheal Benedict
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Evolution
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 00:07:29

Man is evolving. Look at the increase of bodyfat over the centuries. 

Message: 61260
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: B-Dog
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 00:36:02

        I did not say he said he was ashamed of his posts....  He shows his
shame by using so many names,  Please re-read my post Mr Dog.
        Handles are okay if one sticks to a single handle.  I just do not
want everyone that has a reasonable handle to get upset here...  we all know
who you are and we can respond to you.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 61261
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/psuedo
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 03:14:28

I'm pretty sure that everyone knew who was entering most of the posts. 
Mark's writing style is rather easy to recognize.  I don't even think that
getting him off the board is an answer.  Certainly I had no problems with
his input.

Message: 61262
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hawley
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 05:52:03

 I'll see if I can find the latest comparative chart I referenced in that
statement. It could be that it compared only the major mailing markets,
which could exclude Central American countries. If I can find the chart I
will post it here.

Message: 61263
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/ Kadow & Co.
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 05:57:14

Thank you for dealing with that problem. I, too, am glad it is over, if it
really is. I hadn't said anything earlier in the interest of keeping peace
by ignoring nonsense, but I was wishing for shields.
 THanks again.

Message: 61264
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James on Mark..
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 08:36:34

        I was not trying to get anyone off the board...  Mark or whomever?
I was just trying to get him to select one name to use to stop the
confusion of whom we were talking at.  I also had no problem with his input,
but he sure did not understand the problem from the SysOp viewpoint.  The
rules are posted...somehow he thought he was the exception!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 61265
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: "Mark"
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 16:21:02

Adkins?

Message: 61266
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last on Mark
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 17:19:07

        No, Twain you dork!    or Samuel Langhorne Clemens

Message: 61269
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Huh?
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:29:53

Re:  "Personally, I think this sucks...and I'm leaving."

Don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Message: 61270
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Otis
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:31:07

Re:  "I am a stupid, thoughtless and vulgar person."

You should be able to fit right in here.

Message: 61271
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Huh?
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:32:40

Re:  "I don't see where Kowtow said that he was ashamed of his posts."

Only Kowtow and dogs weren't ashamed of his posts.  No offense intended.

Message: 61272
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hell
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:33:55

Re:  "What if we are there?"
        
Impossible.  How could we be born in hell?

Message: 61273
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hell
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 18:59:53

Didn't you know that women who die while pregnant send the human being they
are carrying to hell?

Message: 61274
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 19:17:48

I find that joke to be in very poor taste.  As it happens, my mother died
while she was pregnant with my older brother, so the death of pregnant women
is a sore spot with me.  Please try to take into account the sensitivities
of others before making such sick "jokes" in the future.

Message: 61275
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Older brother...???
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 21:29:05

        If she died with your "Older Brother"....  Meaning before you, then
where do you fit in?  (You were never born?)  Do you have that right?

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 61276
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff/JT
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 02:39:09

JT is trying to be funny again.

Message: 61277
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last 3
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 05:50:07

HaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Message: 61278
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Taranto
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 06:00:54

"my mother died while she was pregnant with my older brother."
And you were born in a Petri dish, I suppose.
Real cute James. Real cute.

Message: 61279
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT ....
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 08:23:40

... made a real funny. I almost felt sorry for the lad that his mother died
before he was born. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 61280
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 08:55:59

Good posts Rod. Very Interesting. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 61281
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 16:32:50

Re:  "Didn't you know that women who die while pregnant send the human being
they are carrying to hell?

Where did you hear that?  It sure isn't in the Bible!

Message: 61282
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: various names
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 17:00:18

I read with laughter the silly and pompous retort from the chameleon.
"Don't want to be pidgeon holed"
In essence, this means he doesn't want to be held accountable for what
he says...in other words; "If I radically change my mind or contradict
an ealier standpoint of mine, I wish to do it without making people think
my arguments are worthless..."
The motive(s) obviously are not to debate, but to argue.
Aww poor thing, your Mom wouldn't let you change your name every 5 minutes
nor will the society you live in. So why should Cliff ?

Message: 61283
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: not in the bible
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 17:22:56

... sure it is, you just have to look a bit -- same as most of the crap that
other Christian sects spout.

Message: 61284
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Religion
Subject: B-Dog
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 19:14:54

        Last post was a little nasty.....  wasn't it...
                Not like you Mr Dog.

                        Try and have a nicer day!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 61285
Author: Glo Kitchener
Category: In search of
Subject: ?
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 23:48:58

to the sysop
hi. this is my first time on your bbs so have  patience . check ya later.

Message: 61286
Author: Andrew Pollack
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: who cares?
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 00:27:50

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Message: 61287
Author: Rudy Hermann   ***Me
Category: Sex & Love
Subject: Beauregard Dog
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 00:50:12

Arf! Arf!

Message: 61288
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Politics
Subject: Election day
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 06:31:14

 All Phoenicians, time to wake up! Election day is just around  the corner,
and the special interest groups that would have us dig deeper into our
pockets to line theirs are hoping for the usual apathy from the voting
public. Time to prove them wrong!  At issue is the question that asks should
at least $100 million dollars be extracted from the public pocket (that's
yours and mine, folks) to build a monument to private enterprise, from which
only a select few would benefit? Assuming that a baseball team yet to be
formed would have enough drawing power to convince enough fans to suffer 115
degree summer heat to sit in the stands and watch them drop like flies
trying to get around the bases, the only ones who would prosper would be the
owner of the franchise, a few concessionaires and some downtown hotel and
restaurant owners. This is not the job providing pie in the sky answer to
Phoenix's ailing economy that Terrible Terry and his gang of thieves would
have you believe! A resounding NO!! vote is called for on prop. 1! Also at
issue is what our "beloved" mayor and council are really worth. There is a
proposition that calls for an "adjustment" to their salaries that would
bring them in line with the county supervisors. It doesn't spell it ot, but
this DOUBLES their salary! Judging from their recent public be damned
attitudes lately, a 50% cut would seem more appropriate!  Also, a resounding
YES! vote on prop. 200 should send the message to the gang at city hall that
we, the people, have had enough of their blowing our money on such amenities
as amphitheaters, sporting events, stadiums, etc. It will at least give us a
voice in future sojourns into our pockets!
VOTE on Tuesday, Oct.3! It's the only voice you have!

Message: 61289
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 08:47:23

Some religions believe that a child not Baptized will go to hell.
                           -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 61290
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 17:33:51

Re:  "sure it is, you just have to look a bit -- same as most of the crap
that other Christian sects spout."

It is easy to say, but impossible for you to prove, since it's untrue.
Prove me wrong and I will give you a public apology, or what ever else you
like.

All you have to do is list the reference that says:

"women who die while pregnant send the human being they are carrying to hell

Or even something similar.

Message: 61291
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 17:37:34

Re:  "Some religions believe that a child not Baptized will go to hell."

I'm sure your right about what some religions believe.  But what is much
more important is, what does the Bible say?  Nothing in the Bible says that
a child not Baptized will go to hell.  There's nothing even close.

Message: 61292
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann & B.Dog
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 18:19:14

B.Dog:
      Your message is a glowing example of mans ignorance. Because you
*want* the bible to say that, and know that it's not there, you post your
own version of crap and claim it belongs to religion.
"-- same as most of the crap that other Christian sects spout."
The only crap I see spouting here is the foutain of it from your
impoverished attitude towards other human beings.
 
Your fear of what you dodnot understand -or want to- is showing.

Message: 61293
Author: Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 18:26:14

"Some religions believe that a child not Baptized will go to hell." 
 
Which ones?

Please give us references of where you read that or the name of the person
who told you personally. Or is it the same stuff B.Dog is overflowing with?
His own version of that facts to suit him and gratify his ignorance?
If there is someone in any church preaching that it is a prerequesite
to be baptized (otherwise you go straight to hell) then they themselves
are not preaching from the Bible. It isn't there. Baptism is covered,
baptism is a show of faith and was instituted by men..not God.
 
        It's obvious from the last series of posts that regardless of
facts or what the truth is, people will  change it to their own
ends to satisfy something in them that wants to trash religion. In short,
its the same as spreading lies about someone you hate.
My question has always been, why do you hate religion? Because you hear
hateful lies spread by others like B.Dog ?
Hmm. Seems self propgating to me.

Message: 61294
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: For sale
Subject: CoLd!
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 18:40:29

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                                Price....  FREE  this week only!

Darn I feel LOUSY!  No work done for the past two days....  

                        *=* the 'Wimpy' Apollo SysOp *=*

Message: 61295
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carter/Thornburg
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 21:59:21

So, tell me, just what else happens to fetuses that weren't baptized in the
womb?  The only way to go to heaven, according to many of you, involves not
only being baptized as a kid but also having a second 'birth' which involves
accepting Jesus as one's personal Savior.
 
So, fetuses go to hell. Q.E.D.

Message: 61298
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: free will etc.
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 22:53:19

Interesting free will discussion a few days back--I entered a few posts on
the subject in response to some of Mike Carter's messages, only to find that
Carter's interlocutor had already said pretty much the same thing.
   I don't think that the free will defense against the problem of evil
works, though Alvin Plantinga's _God, Freedom, and Evil_ is better than
most.  I also don't think that any workable definition of free will is
incompatible with determinism or with God creating only morally perfect
people.

Message: 61299
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: nothing from somethi
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 23:01:38

So, how does one destroy matter/energy?
   By the way, your message on evolution makes it quite clear that you have
not the slightest understanding of it.  (e.g., "we still have monkeys and
they aren't turning into humans"--so what?  Evolutionary theory makes no
such prediction.)

Message: 61300
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Show and Tell
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 23:13:38

I found an old medical leaflet the other day and thought I would share it
with you.

Dear Doctor:

      We are pleased to enclose this fine reproduction of The Seal of
Persepolis you recently requested.

      Dating back to early Achaemenid Period (circa 522-424 B.C.), the seal
depicts a mythological king vanquishing two powerful ibexes, symbols of
demonic spirits.  A winged sun disk, representing the supreme Persian
deity, Ahuramazda, hovers over the king's head.  The message is clear: the
victor has conquered his adversaries.  The gods are victorious over the
demons.

      The ancient people who occupied Mesopotamia and spread their culture
into Syria and Persia wore seals like this as amulets against the demons,
who were believed to bring pain, disease or other catastrophes.

      Today, the magic of amulets still exists in primitive cultures.  But
modern science has, of course, replaced these amulets against pain. 
Consider TYLOX (r) (oxycodene) and acetaminophen), a potent oral analgesic
for moderate to moderately severe pain.

      We hope you will find this ancient replica a handsome addition to
your decorative pieces.

NOTE:  I find this message interesting in that much of today's culture is
still based upon such stuff.  For example, some people will not leave their
house without first reading their horoscope.  Some wear crosses around their
neck or keep statues on their dashboard or at their home.  How many crosses
are there in America?  And how many people feel that these 'amulets' will
keep them from harm?  By the way, the medicine described is of the morphine
type.  

Rod, God & Bob Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 592
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: LAST
Date: 09/27/89  Time: 22:30:48

Amen.

Message: 593
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: RGB
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 05:36:32

Help!!!!!

Message: 594
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 09/28/89  Time: 12:02:02

This is not the Dear Abby (Hoffman) SIG.

Message: 595
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: HELP???
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 09:08:47

Ralphy is crying out for help and no one is paying any attention! What's the
problem dear? -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 596
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Peter
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 09:10:10

What are you 'Amening' for brother? God is gonna get you for stealing that
Blessed Mother Mary plant and you will be in hell for ever and ever and
ever. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 597
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Shit-Chat
Subject: Ann/Hell
Date: 09/29/89  Time: 23:16:16

But I will be with Peter and Jim and Beauregard and a whole bunch of other
friends.  I won't be with Savage, Carter, Cliff or Jim Bakker, etc. Good.