Apollo BBS Archive - September 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - September 5, 1988


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Message: 4129
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 01:37:16

I'm baffled.  What are you trying to say -- that big government should come
in and tell renters and landlords what rent agreements they should enter
into, rather than voluntarily letting them work it out?
Clearly, no one would rent at a mall unless it was advantageous for them to
do so.  Don't you think it is a little silly for you to sit on the outside
and tell them that what they're doing isn't "fair"?
You seem to be unaware of the most fundamental economic principle: a
voluntary exchange between two parties benefits both parties.
It's obvious; if there wasn't a benefit for a party, they wouldn't
voluntarily enter into it.

Message: 4130
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Landlords et al.
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 12:47:06

I can't understand why you all say your baffled on what I'm trying to say
here. No - I am not saying the government should step in and stop this
practice - that is up to those involved. I just do not think it is fair or a
good policy! When does it stop for instance? No one has answered that yet. I
can see the landlord and tenant helping each other for their own benifits -
but the landlords continue to get a cut of the profits for as long as the
tenant is there - the better the business - the bigger the profits for the
landlord! When the transaction is between a mall owner and someone with a
small business like Cliff's - the extra taken out of his profits can brake
him. If he for instance, sold one computer for one week and the landlord
gets his cut - Cliff did not make much! If that happened too often, then he
has to go out of business. Again - no one answered me about why can't the
landlord give a brake to the tenant off the front end? As a former apartment
house owner, we many times gave a prospective tenant a free months rent. Yes
- we lost money, but not in the long run if the apartment was rented. That's
business! We went into it with open eyes and knew what it took to make it
profitable. May I also point out another thing - why can't a landlord lease
out the stalls? He is guaranteed a years rent whether the tenant does good,
bad or otherwise. With something like that coupled with the inflation of
property values and income tax - that's ENOUGH! =*--ANN--*=

Message: 4131
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 15:48:25

Obviously, it stops when it is no longer beneficial for the renter or the
landlord.  As long as it is beneficial, they continue in the agreement, and
you should have no objection to it.  If it stops being beneficial, then the
agreement stops existing, and you have nothing to object to.
The idea that there is some rent that is "ENOUGH," different from that
agreed upon by two parties, is a ridiculous and unsupportable one.
Moreover, if someone were only selling one computer, they would obviously
not be able to afford the much higher rent the landlord would charge if it
were not for this agreement.
All of this has been said before.  You might want to re-read the past
messages, looking at them a little closer.

Message: 4132
Author: $ Kobble Stone
Category: Debate / dispute
Subject: Percentage Rent
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 19:15:14

        Most local shopping centers that deal in percentage rent, charge a
base rent and a small percentage if that shop should gross over set amount.
This amount is generaly set on a monthly average gross in excess of 20,000.
The percentage can be anything the two parties agree on, generaly between 2%
to 5.5%.  If the shop has a bad month, no gross payment is made. The
Mall manager may then advertise more to bring in added traffic, the rest is
up to the shop keeper.  The real problem here is some small malls enjoy
collecting percentage rents like their big brother Malls do, but fail to
supply advertising, and instead, pocket the money.

        Remember, don't tread on the Kobble Stones

Message: 4133
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject:  SIG
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 22:50:52

How come it's gone??????
 
And how come we can't leave a message in the STOre SIG?
 
Just wondering?
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Message: 1002
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Review/Critique
Subject: Sandy
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 21:26:59

 
              It would be a media event
                -to jump wearing a tent
                   painted with P.T. Barnum & Bailey
                 For the Phoenix Daily.

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Message: 54030
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alan
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 01:34:50

That doesn't follow.  That wasn't the experience in our relatively free
market in this country's youth.
The scenario you describe could only happen in a situation in which the
money supply is so constricted that the market cannot achieve equilibrium. 
This was the case in the early 1930's, when the Federal Reserve cut the
money supply by a third, and plunged this country into the Great Depression.
But that was hardly the action of a free market.

Message: 54031
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Goldwater
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 05:34:17

Barry Goldwater may have been, and still could be, (and is in the eyes of
many) a gold plated, silver spooned S.O.B. He is loousy with money, ownd his
own mountain top, and couldn't care less about thee or me. BUT! One thing
you must remember when talking about Barry Goldwater. He was, and is, the
consummate politician. Not only is he revered by many in Arizona; there are
many people in high places in Washington who still hang on his every word as
though it was yet another Gospel. Such is the way of the power structure.
Don't try to understand it. You'll get old before your time.

Message: 54032
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Religion
Subject: Alan
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 05:40:30

If you are going to refer to yourself as an atheist, you should at least
read the Bible with a little comprehension, if for no other reason than to
know what it is you don't believe in.
 The term "virgin Mary" refers only to Mary's condition upon the conception
of Jesus. The Bible makes it quite clear, even to the untrained and
unbelieving eye, that she and Joseph led a normal married life after Jesus'
birth. In fact, the book of James was written by Jesus brother, a son who
was born to Joseph and Mary after Jesus.
Perhaps you would like to comment on some other subject that doesn't exist
because you haven't read about it?

Message: 54033
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: "Virgin" Mary
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 09:06:47

If I recall, Jim Lippard's _Fundamentalism is Nonsense_ booklet suggests
that the term "virgin" was a mistranslation, and that it should have been
translated as "unmarried woman" or something.
 
Is that true?

Message: 54034
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Goldwater
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 10:48:22

  He was one of the damn few Senators who would vote against spending in his
own state when he didn't think it was justified for the nation as a whole.
All the complaints I have seen against him here are the the kind of
irrelevent baloney that has come to dominate the media. The idea that a
person should have to be a financial failure or come from a family of
financial failures in order to qualify for public office is ridiculous.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 54035
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Goldwater
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 15:40:05

If you look at the way the entrenched powers treated him when he
came upon the scene (check newspapers from the early part of this century),
you'll see that in no way was he part of the power structure of this state. 
The power structure changed to fit him, not the other way around.
The movers and shakers were none too happy with him, which is one reason
he was sympathetic with Mecham -- in the beginning.  That later faded.
No one could have ever claimed he was in anyone's pocket.
Besides, extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.

Message: 54036
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Vice Presidency
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 15:42:08

"My country has in its wisdom contrived for me the most insignificant office
[the vice-presidency] that ever the invention of man contrived or his
imagination conceived; and as I can do neither good nor evil, I must be
borne away by others and meet the common fate."
    -- John Adams, letter to Abagail Adams, 19 December 1793.

Message: 54037
Author: Robert Simpson
Category: Sex & Love
Subject: Mary
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 15:53:54

"When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him
and took Mary home as his wife.  But he had no union with her until she gave
birth to a son.  And he gave him the name Jesus."  Mat 1:24-25

Message: 54038
Author: Chuck Seifert
Category: Entertainment/Movies
Subject: Strip-O-Grams
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 16:14:02


IF you are throwing a party, or want to tease a friend call:
"For Your Eyes Only" at 268-6371. Mention this BBS, Fellow
computer bugs get a discount !

Message: 54039
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 54033
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 18:22:08

The word translated "virgin" in the New Testament does indeed mean "virgin".
 It is the word translated "virgin" in the Old Testament "prophecy" which
does not.

Message: 54040
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: War!
Subject: Savage
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 21:23:26

Your talk about Goldwater reminds me of your own tirades concerning
the post office.

"I've never made over $10.00 per hour, I don't know who told you that postal
workers get that much but I've never seen it ..." -Paul Savage, DEC 1984
 

Message: 54041
Author: Gordon Bailey
Category: For sale
Subject: COMPUTERS
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 23:31:30

I HAVE 2 TRS 80 COMPUTERS A MODEL 4P AND A MODEL 4 BOTH IN GOOD
CONDITION ASKING $4OO.00 EACH INCLUDS SOFT WARE
CALL GORDON 978-1026*

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Message: 194
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Tawdry Tales
Subject: Late Night Thought
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 03:14:33

Fuck.

Message: 195
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Sandy
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 12:51:21

No - I have a new license for practicing preachers. - James White gave it to
me! Arn't I good? =*--The New Way Below Normal Preacher--*=

Message: 196
Author: $ Kobble Stone
Category: Tawdry Tales
Subject: SIC!
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 19:29:54

        You peoples are in need of help.  You all are SICK!

What am I doing here?

Must be to educate and rescue,  Yea, that's it!

        Remember, don't tread on the Kobble Stones



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