Apollo BBS Archive - September 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - September 4, 1988


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Message: 4121
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann's Mall
Date: 09/03/88  Time: 19:45:52

Ann,
 
   The problem with your premise is that the initial rents would be too high
to attract any renters (i.e. with a one rate rent).  Instead of a place
renting for $800 a month (example only), it would have to rent for $1600. 
A store just going into business couldn't afford that type of rent.
   So what the mall owner does is partialy subsidize the new owners initial
rent.  As the store makes more money, then he starts paying what he really
should have been paying.  And yes, there are stores that are very successful
and the mall owner makes more off of them than he would have if he'd rented
at a flat rate.  This helps cover the stores that never pay their own way.
   Also, once a store becomes successful enough, many times they can
renegociate (sp) their rental agreements.  If a store is very successful and
is pulling customers into the mall that help the other stores, then they can
dictate their agreements (i.e. a Fry's, etc.).
   Sorry Ann but you're off-base on this one.  In general the profit sharing
is benificial to both parties.
 
(LL)oyd Pulley

Message: 4122
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/#4113
Date: 09/03/88  Time: 19:52:21

Rod,
 
   Now tell the whole story....yes, home foreclosures are up again but so
are property foreclosers.  The property that these 'pig capitalists' own is
also being taken from them (foreclosures on property valued over $1,000,000
is way up over last year at this time).
 
   And also tell what homes (in general) are being foreclosed.  The ones
that were bought during Jimmy Carters heyday through variable interest
rates.  They got in at cheap rates but now that the rates have risen, they
can't afford it.  Also many of the homes that are being foreclosed are the
ones that were bought by young marrieds.  Homes that were too expensive for
them, but they bought anyway.  The days of starting with a cheap 'starter'
home and building up from there are almost gone.  People have to have the
newest and best....right from the beginning.
 
   But you're right, it has come to the point where both husband and wife
have to work.  If we didn't have to give so much of our tax money to the
deadbeats on welfare, we could probably get by with less wifes having to
work.
 
(LL)oyd Pulley

Message: 4123
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Property
Date: 09/03/88  Time: 23:28:28

The idealogy of ownership of property is genetic.  Ever try taking away a
toy from a three-year-old?
 
"Mine!"

Message: 4124
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: landlords
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 03:35:39

Landlords, especially those who are leasing space in retail centers, most
assuredly are taking risks on their renters. Big developers generally allow
a generous tenant improvement allowance to assist the renter in building out
the space he will occupy. If a renter defaults on his lease, the landlord is
stuck with a sizeable investment in a space that probably will not be
recovered.

Message: 4125
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 06:48:53

Could you explain how a landlord charging a percentage of income is asking
their "tenants to risk with them"?  It seems to me that it is the other way
around; the tenant is asking the landlord to take a risk on his business's
success.

Message: 4126
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mall rent
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 09:00:37

I ask "what is wrong with charging $1,600 a month rent for mall spaces if it
is in a good spot"? That certainly is not an 'out of line' figure. The
landlord would be making a profit and so would the tenant. IF the tenant
cannot afford that kind of rent, he should go elsewhere! IF the landlord
cannot afford to make the mtg. payments on said mall, then he should not
have bought it. Both parties have to make a business work or it will fail -
they must both do their part! Any one that buys/and or builds a mall,
charges rents accordingly to the mtg. payment. At first, he should at least
make enough to cover the mtg. and a little bit of profit left over if he
goes to the effort to keep them rented. If he broke even, he is still
gaining through property value esculation and income tax. Rents always are
going up and even if it was $5.00 per month per stall yearly, that is
formitable at the end of the year. The landlord can also sell said mall and
even if he did so the first month it opened, he would make a sizable profit.
Buyin/building a mall and renting a stall in one is a business gamble. This
is no different than renting an apartment. If a person wants to rent and he
hasn't the money to do so, but will get a raise within the next six months -
is a landlord going to rent to this person on this surmise? If the person
can't afford the apart. - he doesn't get it! As far as I see all of this -
both parties are getting something they don't deserve - especially the
landlord! There would be nothing wrong with the owner giving the tenant a
cut in rent for the 1st six months or even free - to lure them to the mall.
But the owner would be taking a loss in the hopes that the tenant would make
his business work and stay there! =*--ANN--*=

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Message: 4128
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 17:05:01

I just don't understand what you are complaining about. You refuse to
consider a fact of life in any new business venture -- be it the mall
itself, or the businesses within: Don't assume that any business, even
if the concept has a proven track record, is going to be profitable in the
first few months of operation. The landlord is not necessarily in an
equitable situation with regard to his property at the outset, as you
assume. His mall, if only partially rented, is a far greater risk to a
potential buyer than a mall that is fully occupied. It is to the benefit of
both parties, and not undeservedly so, to operate on a system of incentives.

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Message: 1938
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: 'Kreepy-Krauly'
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 01:40:59

Kreepy-Krauly is an automatic pool sweep, that goes randomly around the
bottom and walls of your pool sucking the dust aand other junk off the pool
and sending it through a long hose to the strainer. There are no moving
parts on it, and Ann and Sandy might be bored watching an ugly white and
blue plastic sucker in their pool, instead of the pool cleaner. But, you
don't have to sweep it as often (very little, if ever - the thing does a
good job at my house). Cost... about $450 to $500.
 
Later...                                                 Pat

Message: 1939
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: K.K.
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 09:04:02

Then I will hire him to mow the law! Not the K.K. - the pool guy!
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 1940
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Sandy/pool
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 09:05:30

Sorry! He's mine. I don't share! But I will let you attack Thang again. He's
sturdy. Ta ta =*--ANN--*=

Message: 1941
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Beyond...
Subject: Pat
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 23:59:10

        The only thing I liked about your message was the word --suck--.

Message: 1942
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 00:00:03

        Thanks, Ann.
        I will be there in a day or two.

By the way ....... will there be anything left after you get through?

Message: 1943
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Sandy
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 00:28:31

Where has your mind gone tonight??!! I
   Where has your mind gone?? I'll check the gutter in fromt of my house...
 
Later...                                                 Pat
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Message: 54021
Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
Category: Commercial
Subject: CoCo/TRS-80
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 00:13:33

        I have some CoCo (Color Computer for you new users) software.
$5.00 for the lot....  If no one takes me up on this, I will just format
all the disks for my SANYO computer and toss the docs.
        I also have some Mod I/III software... $10.00 will get you the whole
pile.  Ditto on the formatting!

        BOOKS:  I have an assortment... $2.00 each

Thankyou for your time.
                        Cliff K. Winters

Message: 54022
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/54018
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 06:44:29

Incredible!  Rod made a logical argument!

Message: 54023
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: Gary
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 08:33:34

I agree with you about Truman but not Goldwater. He belongs to the powerful
political machine of Arizona - was/is probably the hub of it! Mecham was not
- see what happened to him! For the life of me, I never figured out why the
people of Az. seem to be in love with Barry Goldwater. In some circles he's
revered like a god. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 54024
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: David/Rod
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 12:18:00

   Mmmm, perhaps.  What I think would happen is that they would be forced to
lower prices below a point at which they would make a profit (and thus go
out of business) or would suffer a loss of business which would also force
them out of business.  The cost of living would decline, but there's a floor
where it can't go below without everyone going bankrupt.  That, I'm afraid,
is what would happen in a totaly uncontrolled market.  Both business and
consumers would then die off until a point of stability would be reached.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 54025
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Religion
Subject: Rambling
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 12:23:02

    Many Christians refer to Jesus' mother as the Virgin Mary, but even if
she was virgin for Jesus' birth, why is assumed that she stayed that way
afterwards?  What about poor Joseph?

 
     /
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*     *
Message: 54026
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Hamilton
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 13:16:52

  The free market is the only moral system. Government regulation beyond the
simple punishment of fraud and coersion is immoral because it works from the
principle that some are entitled to the work of others simply because they
exist. The mechanisms of government inevitably expand under their own power
by creating problems and offering solutions which require more government.
At this stage the government becomes a lever for the group with the most
political pull to extort from the rest.
  Problems like pollution can be handled much better by a free market than
by government also. If the government had not usurped control of the
environment private individuals would be able to seek and win compensation
for damages to their properties. Government generates a huge amount of
spending and publicity on environmental issues, but their incentive is only
to generate more of the same. Any actual progress would decrease the amount
of spending they could justify and this is always avoided at any cost.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 54027
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: Alan/Virgin
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 14:56:47

        Mary remained a virgin throughout her life.  Joseph also abstained
from all sexual thought.  They are both in heaven looking down on us. 
Perhaps I should give up masturbation, hmmmm.

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Message: 54018
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alan/labor
Date: 09/03/88  Time: 17:50:33

        If salaries fell to a low point, wouldn't landlords, food stores,
etc. have to reduce their prices as well as the producers?


Message: 54028
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 22:28:03

Rod Williams is a virgin.

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Message: 188
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Daryl DickHead
Subject: Last
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 03:55:31

Them darn agnostics are up to their tricks again.

Message: 189
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Christian Rod!
Subject: The category?
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 09:34:32

Your gonna have to change his category again! He said I didn't save him
after all! Drats! I wanted him to see the error of his ways too - to get him
back on the right track of knowing what a terrible sinner he is and feel
guilty about it! I wanted him to read his Bible daily and see that God is in
everything - the starving children - the poor - the sick and horriblly
dying! That He put us here for a lesson in faith. That we are born sinners
from Adam & Eve's mistake over 8,000 years ago and MUST suffer for that
while here. And don't forget the "Second Coming!" It can come any second, so
we must be sinless! Rod my boy - look what your missing! Please repent
before it's too late. Become born again - NOW! Get down on your knees
because your have to spend a lot of time there. Get used to it. Go to church
next sunday and suffer through a boring serman! It will temper you! Be
frightened again! It's the only way! Give up that freedom that you hold so
dear. It won't get you into Heaven! REPENT! FOR THE END IS NEAR!
=*--The New Way Below Normal Preacher--*=

Message: 190
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Speaking of ....
Date: 09/04/88  Time: 09:36:45

... The Bible. I have a poser for all of you. In the story of Noah and the
Ark - what was NOT designated to be distroyed - yet WAS NOT in the ARK?
=*--The New Way Below Normal Preacher--*=


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 1:        Can't my category be changed to Rod the xtian?  Well, Ann, you are 
 2:correct.....perhaps I should go to church, I need to catch up on my sleep.
 3:
 4:        I like reading your messages but you need to make paragraphs like 
 5:Gary Jones, so do I.
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 7:        Gary always skips a space between paragraphs and because of it, I 
 8:can scan his messages easier.  When I first started logging on to BBS's, my 
 9:messages only had one space between sentences, and no paragraphs.  
10:Paragraphs give the reader a reference point.
11:
12:        In any case, I am SAVED, god almighty came down last night and made 
13:a deal with me.  My sentence of hell has been communted.  I get to be god's 
14:servant now, I keep his shoes polished.  The devil is a baaad person, not 
15:worthy of any worshit whatsoever.  I like god, he looks like a clean shaven,
16:short hair cut "regular" sort of guy, although he has a balding spot on the 
17:rear of his head and I think he uses Grecian Formula #5.
18:
19:        When god cusses, he says, fudge and things like that.  He is the 
20:biggest landlard anywhere.  He charges a lot....too much if you ask me.  In 
21:fact, from now on I am going to format my message like Gary Jones.  God told
22:me to do this and he also told me to tell you to do this thing too.
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Message: 192
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Mighty SYSOPs
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/05/88  Time: 00:13:36

        Are you practicing Christianity without a license?

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Message: 1558
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Nudies
Date: 09/03/88  Time: 23:31:13

Ianuzzi and Hawley's Nudist Colony Axiom:
 
Nudist colonies are full of naked people with nothing to show off