Apollo BBS Archive - September 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - September 19 - 21, 1988



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Message: 4245
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: last few
Date: 09/18/88  Time: 18:48:06

O.K, Rod, we're waiting .

Message: 4246
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 09/18/88  Time: 19:34:22

You don't know what it means to suffer.

Message: 4247
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/4242/4243/4244
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 00:28:30

What about me?  Aren't I a good enough little boy for you not to have to
worry about me?   Sniff*

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Message: 4248
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Entertainment
Subject: Nick/Utilities
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 00:30:40

There is a mountain of $#!+  that APS us doesn't tell us!!!  SOME GOOD!
MORE BAD!
 
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Message: 4249
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 03:16:17

Many savings and loans are insolvent due to bad investments on the part of
the institution itself, not because of any default on the part of the
debtors.

Message: 4250
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Forget it Rod!
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 08:40:28

Your wasting your time here. They do not want to see the truth in your
statements - they are more interested in telling you why things are the way
they are and how good it is - for instance, telling you why the Savings &
Loans go belly up - in the mean time, forgetting that they in reality, did
go belly up for whatever reason! I would suggest you try to talk about just
one subject at a time and try to converse with them - but even at that, they
will never agree with one thing you say! It is beyond them! They don't want
things to change! Why they won't even admit that we could HAVE a better
world! They are bent towards making themselves seem superior and you a fool!
No one is a fool here - each has good valid points and has the right to
express them - but how about just a good conversation on any subject - how
about bending a little? Rod has some excellent points - why not listen to
him at least a little bit and see what he's saying? Discuss it - dissagree
if you wish - but he is no fool! Hell, if just a few of the things he talks
about were incorporated into our society, it would certainly make it better!
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 4251
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 09:49:14

I really do wish that you would come off of your high horse long enough to
realize that there are people other than yourself that matter, too. It just
gets so boring watching you stuffing yourself with Ego Flakes, and treating
everyone else's opinions as if they are dirt under your steel-tipped boots.
If character assassination were a punishable crime, your body would be
thrashing around in an electric chair right about now. You crave self-
appreciation much in the way that a junkie craves heroin. The only
difference is that you can afford to feed your habit (the computer). Take
away the element of insulting others behind the safety of your monitor, and
you would realize that you are no better, smarter, greater, wonderful, or
God-like, than the rest of us. Calling one of Rod's relatives a dolt without
even meeting him? I hope you are not a religious-minded person, because you
are going to have to fess up for some serious misjudgement calls come J-Day.
(No, the "J" does not stand for "JT.")

Message: 4252
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: $#!+ on Chris
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 11:04:38

        We were using the $#!+ way back in 1982 here on Apollo.  My old time
users can verify this.
        No big deal here.......

SMILE! (-:} *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 4254
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 11:32:15

Have you got records going back far enough to tell me when I first logged
onto this system?
 
If so could you tell me when? 
Thanx,
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Message: 4255
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Nick
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 16:33:31

Boy, I'll bet you felt silly when you realized that while you were thinking
about why savings and loans went bankrupt, you completely forgot that they
DID go bankrupt.  I tell ya, that Ann really has a way of making the rest of
us look foolish!

Message: 4256
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 16:35:30

Jasmine's father is indeed a dolt.  The civilian labor force was 65.7
percent of the population at the end of 1987, compared with 63.8 percent in
1980.

Message: 4257
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Westfall
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 16:36:01

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me.

Message: 4258
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/Land
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 17:02:33

No.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 4259
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Question?
Subject: JT/ "US"
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 19:14:49

Speak for yourself, Thank You.
 
Have a nice day!
 
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Message: 4260
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Chris
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 20:13:24

What's 114/18.8?

Message: 4261
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 21:50:02

Well, I must have struck a nerve there. I didn't get one of your form
answers. Thanks for listening.

Message: 4262
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Jim - 114/18.8
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 23:19:48

That is my Opus/Fidonet (primarily OPUS) Point node number.  That is sorta
like a Compuserve number.  In detail:
 
            My real number is 15:1:114/18.8
          15 = region, (country)
            1 = zone in region (Southwest, I believe)
          114 = Phoenix Arizona
           18 = The 18th board in Phx, in this case The Software Engineers
BBS
           .8 = My Point number

   O.k. So you live in New York and you want to send me some mail.  You
would log onto your local Fidonet/OPUS/or any board that supports
'conference' mail.  You would want to nter a message.  It would ask the
persons name, and node number, and point node (if available).  In this case
it is, so this message would only be sean by me.  If you were to put in
114/18, every board it went to on its way down here would be able to see it
(public message), unless you entered as private mail.  So, in about 2 to 5
days, not sure how long, it would eventually get here and come to me.  Now
here is where it gets confusing.  There are over 2,000 (atleast)
Fidonet/OPUS/Conference mail boards world wide.  800+ in the U.S.  There are
regions, zones, nodes, and point nodes.  The point node actually means the
'.' in .8 .  Now you and I get on Apollo, with our name and password.  I can
also get on 114/18 (The Software Engineers BBS) like that also (cont)

Message: 4263
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Jim/(cont)
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 23:32:13

BUT the .8 allows this:
 
   You get a lot of files, consisting of editors, packers, unpackers, batch
files and so on....  So I set up my batch files, editors, disk (hard disk
directories) and so on....  When it is done and working all I have to do is
execute a batch file and my system will:
 
     Call 114/18.0 Known as the 'BOSS NODE'
     Enter my Point node number, password and down load all of my files that
I requested it to, get all the mail in the conferences I belong to (like
SIGS on this system) there are about 120 national Conferences and about 30
local ones, and upload any replies to mail I got the last time I did this.  
AND ALL I DID WAS EXECUTE ONE FILE!  Once it is set up, and working right,
there is so much that you can do, and it is very fast!!!  For instance on
most boards, includeing when I log on 'normally' to The Soft. Eng. BBS, the
more I download the more I have to upload, well with a point node, it is so
fast that It doesn't count against me.  The features of this 'NETWORK' are
unbelievable(sp)....  If you haven't tried it, you should.  You can talk to
people all over the world about just about anything you want!   If anybody
wants more info let me know and I will try to get it to you somehow. I think
it would be neet if Apollo went to the OPUS Software, about 60% more people
could get on in a 24 hour period on a BUSY day.  Hope this helps!

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Message: 4264
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 02:54:55

Now I understand. It must be that the S&Ls are forced to make risky
investments to help the needy masses to make their mortgage payments. If the
investments don't pan out, the people can't make their payments, thus
stopping any further risky investments. It's all so clear now.

Message: 4265
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Daryl on JT
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 09:56:58

Well put! (clap, clap, clap!) 

Message: 4266
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT-your posts!
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 09:57:57

'Horsefeathers! (tm ANN) 

Message: 4267
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Westfall
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 16:17:43

Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!

Message: 4268
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Nick
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 16:18:06

You did it again, you completely forgot that the savings and loans went
bankrupt while you were so busy explaining why they did.

Message: 4269
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:12:09

Shut up already

Message: 4270
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Chris/OPUS software
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 22:08:03

Chris,
   If Cliff went to OPUS, then this would be just like many other boards. At
least this board has some original features, as weel as its software. Why
change?
 
Later...                                                 Pat

Message: 4271
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT/S&L
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 08:59:19

What in the hell are you trying to say?

Message: 4272
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Chris Neal
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 15:55:15

But Cliff does have OPUS software a part of this system.  I guess you just
don't know how to access it.

Message: 4273
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Westfall
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 16:09:50

You just got so caught up in asking me what in the hell I am trying to say,
that you forgot that I am in the hell trying to say something in the first
place!

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!

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Message: 4275
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 17:25:02

You don't know what it means to suffer.

Message: 4276
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: OPUS/Todd/Pat
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 18:21:24

Todd:  O.K. let's hear how to use it then!!!!
 
Pat: Due to the loss of some of the users, it kinda would be nice to have a
world wide (or a few) conversations....  With the point node idea it also
saves time for the user and it allows more people on the board...
 
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Message: 4277
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Idea for thought
Subject: Rod
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 21:04:27

Socialism is not "sharing."  Forcing people to give up their property is not
only not the same as them doing it voluntarily, it is completely different.
It is stealing, and just because the government does it doesn't mean it is
OK.  It also doesn't mean it's popular; I understand some people don't even
pay their taxes, so I don't see how such a person would be willing to give
up all of their property because the government tells them it's "sharing."

Message: 4278
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Question?
Subject: JT
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 22:57:27

        Okay, I'll bite.  What is your 'suffering' message about?

Message: 4279
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Idea for thought
Subject: David
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 22:58:45

      In a nutshell, my goal is to help educate the human race to the
fact that all people, not only from this bleak planet but throughout
the universe, are all kin.
      I had a death experience in 1969.  At the time it was the most
frightening event that ever happened to me.  At present I consider it
the most profound and beautiful experience I ever had.
      This life, this planet is but a small bit in eternity.  I just
wonder why life here is not a beautiful experience as it could be. 
We, the human race just do not have the mentality to make it so at
present.  
      Yes, before the death experience I was content, happy, if you
will.....but it was like I came back and slowly realized that we live
in a weird and scary place.
      I am not for any system.  It would be so much easier if we
humans realized we were related, and shared.  It is that simply.  If
life here could be like a big family there would be no need for
government other than for the necessary lines of supply and
communications.
      I do not like the monopoly game we are playing, simply because
there are too many poor.  That is my only reason.  Some other
countries probably have it worse but that is still no excuse to not
seek improvements.                    Rod
        P.S.  I DO NOT WANT A SYSTEM THAT DEMANDS ANYTHING.

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Message: 2007
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Burkhart
Date: 09/18/88  Time: 19:35:45

Welcome to Group 2.

Message: 2008
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann...
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 09:53:12

Did you ever see "Angel Heart?" Could it have been you that created Thang,
and your alter-ego just never knew about it?

Message: 2009
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Daryl/last
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 10:00:55

I will admit that it could be my alter ego that created THANG. My concious
mind runs in that direction! Hahahaha. 'Oh how I love big Thangs!' (sung to
the tune of 'Yank my doodle!' - oops! Sorry - I meant 'Yankee Doodle!"
=*--Annie the Fanny--*=

Message: 2010
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 12:09:53

Yank my doodle, it's a dandy!

Message: 2011
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Beyond...
Subject: Last
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 14:43:23

        Are we going to see a long line of Male BBS users standing in front
of Ann's door?

Message: 2012
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:12:46

Nope

Message: 2013
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Thang!
Subject: Ann's last...
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:30:20

Not until she invites us all over for a cold one and a viewing.

Message: 2014
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: $#!+
Subject: Sandy/my door
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 07:47:16

If there are anymore 'Big Dicks' that come to my doorstep, my husband will
divorce me! Ha ha - only kidding. He does think we are all crazy - but he
thought that before the first Thang was deposited. He is wierd though - he
also doesn't understand why I must at all costs, rain or shine, sick or
well, have to log on everyday! He doesn't understand why I argue politics -
- current events - tell dirty jokes - or draw on occasion, big dicks! HE
can't understand why when I'm on Apollo that I don't want to be disturbed
with -- "Where's my socks?" - "Whatcha doing?" - "Did you mail that letter I
told you to?" - etc. etc. and that I turn from an otherwise loving wife, to
a screeching shrew when he does! He also doesn't understand that when I get
a new piece of software, it must be conquered at all costs - the housework,
his meals and needs taking second place temporaily! Non-computer people are
a strange lot! =*--Annie the Fanny--*=

Message: 2015
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 15:57:16

My wife thinks BBSers are all a bunch of geeks.

Me included.

Sometimes I have to agree with her.

On the first statement, that is.

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Message: 2017
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod/Ann
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 21:08:38

When I meet these people in person, they seem quite level-headed.  Yet, on
the board, they are pinheads.  Do they perhaps have a "Dr. Jekyll and Mr.
Hyde" syndrome?

Message: 2018
Author: $ Lloyd Pulley
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Lawyers....
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 22:10:25

 
    Why is there so many toxic waste dumps in New Jersey and so many lawyers
in New York?
........New Jersey got first choice!
 
    What can you tell if you find three lawyers buried up to their necks in
concrete?
........Someone ran out of concrete.
 
    One day God is strolling the wall between heaven and hell.  He notices a
break in the wall that was obviously created on the hellish side and people
were streaming through.  So he called over the Devil and said "you better
get this wall fixed and fast or I'll sue."  The Devil laughed and said "Oh
yeah?  Where are you going to find a lawyer?"
 
(LL)oyd  Pulley
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Message: 54199
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: John Jensen
Date: 09/18/88  Time: 18:44:45

Why does the haunting echo of Tom Lyekis's "IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!" echo
through my ear when I read your message ?
 
40 Years ago they also discovered that a few men could wipe everyone off
the face of the earth.
22 years ago they discovered that it almost happened
15 years ago a rat named "Jamaca" died after eating a Sara lee pound cake.
 
We should get rid of all the agencies that support such nonsense.

Message: 54200
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paranoid nonsense
Date: 09/18/88  Time: 19:31:45

Jensen's conclusion may have some merit, but his premises are indeed
paranoid nonsense.  Wilhelm Reich, for example, was a quack.  He was
persecuted by the FDA, but he was not murdered by the agency; he died in
prison.

Message: 54201
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Question?
Subject: OPUS/FIDONET Users
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 00:41:54

Are there any Opus or fidenet system users on here???
 
If so, what system do you use?
 
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Message: 54202
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 05:17:32

Yes, Lady in White was the movie. I saw it on Viewers Choice where it is
currently playing. I don't know if it is in the video stores yet, as V.C.
gets them a lot fresher than HBO or the others. Worth a try anyway, as it is
a very good ghost story.
 I saw the oldie you mentioned quite a few years ago and agree it was
excellent.
Have a good scare.

Message: 54203
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod/Trotsky
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 17:13:01

Rod,
  I likened you to Trotsky as a sort of backhanded compliment. Although
Trotsky was instrumental in bringing the horrors of Marxism to power, he
eventually saw the evil he helped create and called it such. It was for this
that he was finally murdered in Mexico after being thrown out of Russia. I
hope that you will eventually understand the nature of your proposed scheme
for what it is and recant as well. Lets just hope that you can do it before
the price climbs to that which Trotsky paid.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 54204
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cause o

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Message: 54204
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cause of Death
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 18:58:38

Maybe the leading cause of death in this country is boredom?  From some of
the simplistic views about politics and religion aired on this board it well
could become the leading cause.

Message: 54205
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 02:46:04

Stop being so analytical. It bores me.

Message: 54206
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Gary Jomes
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 05:48:54

 If you're so bored with our simplicity, why don't you dazzle us with your
erudition? You might wake a few of us up!
(Excuse the typo in your name. It's too early in the morning for my old
fingers.)

Message: 54207
Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: I agree
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 07:19:54

Hey........Guys (and gals)

No kidding, there is a certain sameness to all your political arguments. 
It's all the establishment's fault, and no taking the blame for electing
such a mediocre bunch of politicians in the first place.  Since I'm a
Californio I can't take credit for the mess you all have made here in Ariz.
but nobody seems to have voted for the bad guys, and those who did vote,
threw their votes away by backing the Social Conservatives or the
Neo-Leninists.  Come on, let's hear a real rationale for your beliefs
without degenerating into mud slinging and name calling!

As for the real estate tiff on the other board, I'm sure Roddy had a perfect
right to believe that no one should own land at all (except maybe him?) but
I can tell you that it doesn't work the other way either.  My dad escaped
from Hungary in 1955, just ahead of the Soviet troops, to get away from the
kind of government Roddy seems to want.  And, my Mom crossed the border
illegally the year before to get away from the food riots in Mexico City.  I
don't suppose what we've got for government here in this country is perfect,
but it's so far ahead of whatever is in second place that there's no
comparison.

See Y'aa..........
Jeannie

Message: 54208
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: A Chuckle.
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 09:52:45

In yesterday's paper the 'Today's Chuckle: --- "There's one good thing about
presidential candidates: Only one of them can get elected!"

Message: 54209
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 54207
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 10:12:53

That reminds me of this definition from L.A. Rollins' "Lucifer's Lexicon":

Americanist, n.  One who knows that America is the freest country on earth,
but has no idea which is the second freest.

Message: 54210
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Freest
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 14:54:14

        We may be the 'Freest', but we are not totally free. As time passes
we become less and less freer.
        I doubt that I would express my real feelings about the situation
and plausible solutions in America because I would be investigated by the
FBI. To be sure, they take what us free Americans say seriously. As an FBI
agent once told me ...... you have the right to say whatever you want, BUT
we have the right to investigate you.
        At this point in time, I do not feel like explaining to my waitress
why there is always a man hiding amoungst the coats whenever I am seated.

Message: 54211
Author: Michael Kielsky
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Second Freest
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 15:32:58

There is none.

Michael Kielsky

Message: 54212
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gary Jones
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 16:32:39

  Boy am I glad to see you back on the BBS again! I was beginning to wonder
if you had skipped town with the $10 you are going to owe me.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 54213
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 2nd 'Freest'
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:05:16

Australia.
 
Typically a socialistic government dominated by government owned utilities
and capital laws.
 

Message: 54214
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: For sale
Subject: MAC 512K
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:21:30

 
 
For Sale :
 
MacIntosh 512K with extra 400K disk drive.
Software + Books and of course the mouse & pad.
Complete.
 
$750.00 priced to sell
 
Email if interested
                                -Mike

Message: 54215
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Boredom
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:22:17

Who cares ?

Message: 54216
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: politics and money
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 19:34:46

I haven't skipped out on anything yet.  Still waiting!
 
As for my political views, I wrote 'em all out several weeks ago, and
promptly got so bored that I forgot what I said.  Now, What was the question
again?

Message: 54218
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: free nations
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 20:37:31

What about Switzerland, Monaco, Lichtenstein, the Netherlands, and Denmark? 
In many areas they are clearly freer than the United States.

Message: 54219
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 21:37:33

        Ok, Jim, I am listening.
        Tell me in what areas they are clearly freer .......

(you have some time to think out the answer. It will take me awhile to get
enough money to pay for the plane ticket)

Message: 54220
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandy/Last
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 21:54:30

Ahh yes, but is Cliff 'buying' that!!!! hahahahahahahaaaaa
 
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P.S.   You didn't do anything to Travis Sysop did you?

Message: 54221
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: free,freer,freest

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Message: 54221
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: free,freer,freest
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 05:15:49

I agree with Jeannie, to a point. We may not be perfect, but we are way
ahead of whoever's in second place.
 As to the countries Jim mentioned, I guess it all depends on your
conception of freedom. Sure, I guess they are more free to indulge
themselves in such questionable "benefits" as legalized drugs and
pornography, etc., but perhaps freedom FROM such stuff is a quality that
many of us appreciate in the good old U.S.A.
 And Gary, I think the question was, since you are so bored with our
mediocrity, what do you have in mind that will stimulate us to higher
things? Have at it, by all means!

Message: 54222
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 10:02:58

Monaco has no income tax.  Switzerland has a minimal federal government
restricted to legislation in only certain areas.  The Netherlands has a
sensible drug policy.  Etc.

Message: 54223
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Free
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 13:06:47

If we are free than why do I have to PAY taxes?
                              Ralph

Message: 54224
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 15:54:04

Because FREEDOM isn't free.

Message: 54225
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Dean/Trotsky
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 16:50:32

        Sorry, but I don't go to Mexico.

Message: 54226
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard/freest
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 16:54:26

        Yo may be investigated for those remarks.

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Message: 54228
Author: John Bergmann
Category: For sale
Subject: Printer for sale
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 17:13:16

I have a MPS-801 printer for sale if anyone interested please send John
Bergmann mail will sell for $55

Message: 54229
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/54221
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 18:06:04

The Soviet Union, then, must be *very* free, because they are pretty
much free from making choices.

Message: 54230
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Tidbit1
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:05:23

Tidbits from the latest National Review:

 According to a current poll, 55 percent of the public thinks Dukakis could
do more for small business than Bush. However, small-business owners them-
selves favor Bush over Dukakis by 78 to 17 percent.

 'The rich have gotten richer, the poor have gotten poorer, and those in
 the middle--and that means most of us--have gotten squeezed.' In his Labor
 Day speech Michael Dukakis pledged to end a Republican era he said has
 benefited only "the priveledged few."
   Census Bureau data for 1987, released at the end of August, tell a very
 different story. Median family income in 1987 was $30,853, compared to
 only $21,023 in 1980.
   Real family income changed little between 1973 and 1978, but there was
 a precipitous decline from the second year of the Carter Administration
 until the economic expansion began in late 1982. The improvement in 1987
 means that U.S. family income has risen 11.8 percent since 1982, the
 sharpest and most sustained improvement in twenty years. The middle 3/5ths
 of the population received 51.8 percent of total national income last year,
 a proportion that has been virtually unchanged since such statistics began
 in 1947.
 

Message: 54231
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Tidbit2
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:06:39

  The use of family-income data masks the effects of declining family size,
 as well as gains made by unmarried people. Thus, while real mean family
 income is reported to have increased 10.6 percent since 1980, real per-
 capita income rose 14.4 percent over the same period.
  Simularly, focusing on pre-tax rather than after-tax income skews the
 data. The after-tax purchasing power of the poorest 20 percent of families
 has increased more than the rise in their pre-tax incomes would indicate,
 because of the tax reductions since 1981.
  Poverty is still a problem, but not nearly so pervasive a problem as the
 official numbers suggest. The poverty rate was officially 13.5 percent
 last year, down 11.7 percent from 1983. But failure to count the $146
 billion of in-kind benefits distributed by the Federal Government last
 year means that as many as 12.1 million Americans are erroneously
 identified as poor. Most dramatically affected by this calculation are the
 elderly poor, whose poverty rate plummets from 12.2 percent to a mere 2.1
 percent when these benefits are taken into account.
 

Message: 54232
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Tidbit3
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:07:27

 From 'Holidays in Hell' by P.J. O'Rourke
 
  "I didn't think you could wreck a Central American country. I thought
 they came pre-wrecked from the time of the fall of classical Mayan
 civilization in 900 A.D. I didn't think you could make things more
 depressing than they are in, say, El Salvador or the slums of Colon,
 Panama. But the Sandinistas had done it. And the Nicaraguans were losing
 that big, rude, cynical Latin American laugh. They were starting to get
 the dry humor of perfect despair that the Poles and Czechs and Russians
 have. We would pass by a burned-out factory, and our driver would say,
 with a deadpan face, "This belongs to the people now.'"
 

Message: 54233
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gary/Boredom
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:10:20

  Ok, lets all switch sides so Gary won't be bored.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 54234
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Trotsky
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:25:15

  Being in Mexico was not the point, the point was at the end of the icepick
that killed him. A state that has the power to enforce a ban on the
accumulation of private property MUST therefore be all powerful. A state
that is all powerful must be administered by someone, and since the
individual citizen has already been defined as too low an entity to even be
allowed to peacefully accumulate property, that citizen will be represented
by a leader class. Once this Utopia is set in motion there is only one end
which can come from it. Those who earnestly promoted it will be among the
first of its victims, since their convictions will not be those of the all
powerful State, and they will soon become its enemies.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 54235
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:50:57

I hope Rod reads that.

Message: 54236
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hawley
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 20:51:22

I've never been to San Diego State University in my life.

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Message: 266
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Christian Rod!
Subject: How much ...
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 08:47:48

... did James pay you for that air tight alibi? I think you should get the
'Whopper of the month' award for that one! =*--ANN--*=

Message: 267
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Story
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 09:04:21

Rod was aware that his neck was aching, but he had been so tired of late, he
had just dozed off in front of his computer. He had been there over an hour,
missing his turn on Apollo. Also, in the back of his mind, he knew it had
started raining and the sound of the patters on the window were soothing to
his tired body and he continued to doze.

Suddenly, some soft noise disturbed him and he jerked fully awake, sitting
up stright in the chair. He looked around the room and saw Joe, his neighbor
from across the street sitting in the other computer chair. He too had
fallen asleep and was snoring softly. But Rod knew that hadn't been the
noise he'd heard. He reached up and switched off the light and peered out
the rain splattered window.
It took a few seconds for his eyes to become acustomed to the dark, but he
could make out a hulking figure just coming into his side patio headed for
the door. The figure looked vaguely familier but for some reason, he became
terrified and backed into the cornor, concealing himself.
The door rattled slightly and then slowly opened. A stentch permeated the
air and Rod had to put his hand over his nose for fear he'd vomit last
nights supper! 
A sudden burst of lightening silouetted the figure from behind and Rod could
see he held a huge axe in his right hand and was slowly coming into the
room.
Rod was so frightened, he cowered into the cornor and put his face towards
the wall - knowing his life was soon going to end. (Cont.)

Message: 268
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Cont.
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 09:23:05

Hours seemed to have passed and the rain had stopped to a drizzle. Rod
finally had the nerve to lift his head and look around. The door was still
open and the rain had made a messy puddle on the floor. 
Rod chuckled to himself. "Man, I must be loosing it! That was just one of my
friends playing a practical joke - trying to scare the wits out of me this
time of night. Boy did they succeed!"
He got up from the cornor and realized he was soaked with sweat and chuckled
again "And they really did succeed!
He went over and turned on the light. He caught a glimps of himself in the
window pane and he appeared red.
"Hmmm. That's funny??" And then he looked down at himself. 
He was covered with blood! His knees almost went out from under him. He turn
and looked at Joe and then his knees did buckle and he landed with a thud.
He couldn't believe his eyes - there sat Joe, covered with gore and his head
that had been a few minutes before, laying on his chest in sleep, was gone
and a steady stream of bright red blood spurted out of the hole in his
throat.
Rod did spend the next few minutes loosing his supper! 
He finally looked around and found poor Joe's head! It was on the computer
keyboard and oozing blood down between the keys!
A horrible thought struck Rod! "That was meant for me! It was supposed to be
my head on the keyboard, not Joe's!"
He started to shiver. "If that's the truth, then I know who is going to be
next! It's got to be ...........

Message: 269
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Tawdry Tales
Subject: It's got to be ....
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 15:12:10

        the next person who falls asleep at the computer waiting to log on
to Apollo."
        Rod knew how the Apollo SySop felt about his system. He remembers
times when the A.S.S. would change into a twisted, agonizing, grimacing
figure when news of BBS users falling asleep reached his ears.
        The thought that the A.S.S. was on the prowl frightened Rod. His
mind was trying to think who the users were that had a tendancy to fall
asleep at the computer. The sweat stung his eyes and the stench of what used
to be Joe made it hard to concentrate. Who, Rod thought, who could possibly
be next?
        Rod covers the corpse of Joe, grabs his odd colored rain shoes, his
San Francisco Fish Net Rain Coat, his paper mache' rain hat, and rushes
out into the dark stormy night. He must go to the nearest BBS user that he
knows who falls asleep at the computer.
        Upon arriving ........

Message: 270
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Story
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 08:10:13

...... in front of James Hawley's house, he paused to look around. It was so
dark he couldn't see much, but there was a dim light coming from what Rod
knew was James's computer room and he started towards it. 
"God! James stays up so late building those Thangs. Here it is 4:AM and he's
still up. I must warn him!"
Rod got nearer the house and could see the door was slightly ajar and his
neck hairs stood stright up! He made haste and threw open the door. The
sight that faced him made him sick again. Poor James was slumped over his
computer. There was so much blood, it has oozed down and made a gorey puddle
on the floor and right in the middle lay James's entire arm - cut off neatly
at the shoulder!
Rod heard a moan and realized that James was not dead and he rushed to his
side, lifting up his head.
James moaned again but managed to say "Help me Rod! Get me to the hospital
quick!"
"Yes my friend. You'll be alright. Just hang in there!"
Rod took off his rain coat and gently layed it on the floor. He held his
breath and picked up James's arm and layed in on the coat, coving it up and
putting it under his arm. He reached over with his other strong arm and
helped James to stand.
"Here. Hold on to me the best you can. We'll get you to the hospital as soon
as possible!" Rod said choaking back tears.
They struggled down the stairs, but finally made it to the van. Rod helped
James lay down and noticed he was going into shock. Cont.

Message: 271
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Cont.
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 08:23:06

He layed the rain coat down beside him with it's grizzly occupant and rushed
around to get the van started.
HE broke all speed limits getting to the hospital. This time he wished a
policeman had stopped him so he could make better time with an escort. 
HE finally got to the emergency entrance and a couple of doctors were
standing around having a cigarette brake. When they saw Rod's face behind
the windshield, they threw them down and rushed over with a stretcher. Rod
jumped out and threw open the back of the van. James was still moaning and
Rod let out a sigh of relief that he was still alive. In a matter of
minutes, James was on the operating table! 
Rod waited for hours and finally, when the sun was high in the sky, the
doctor came out and said to him "Your friend is going to be alright. We
successfully sewed back his arm. It was a clean cut, so we had no problems.
In fact, his arm will be much better than before! We made it Bionic!"
"Bionic?' Rod Questioned. "You mean like that series on TV - the Million
Dollar man?"
"Yes, but it will be better than that. Anyway, why don't you go on home now.
You look like you could use some sleep. Have no fear, your friend will
survive!"
Rod thought to himself "Sleep hell! I know who's going to get it next and I
WILL stop it this time! 
HE ran out and jumped in the van and headed for .........

Message: 272
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Story
Date: 09/21/88  Time: 12:36:30

Annie I sent copies of your's and Sandy's stories to a friend of mine in
Hollywood, and the two of you should here from him soon. HeSaid"Damm but
these girls are good!!? I didn't tell him how wromg he was , Iwill let him
find out for hisself.   By By
                 The Old Fart Ralph

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 2: "I guess you won't be making any more THANGS in the condition you're in, me
 3:boy", pipes Rod.  "Fuck off", sez James, "Take me home".  
 4:        So, Rod drives to 210th Ave. and Beardsley, shuts off the van, gets 
 5:out, opens the door for James, and sez, "Have a nice walk."  Obviously, Rod 
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Message: 1559
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Insomniac & inspired
Subject: Well, not really
Date: 09/19/88  Time: 23:58:56

But I have been writing a stupid story.  I've also translated another over
the past week (out of English into Esperanto).  And I'm starting refresher
French class tomorrow.  Yum

Message: 1560
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Number 1600
Date: 09/20/88  Time: 23:33:30

Well, 3 hours of french class today, sans preparation. At least I have the
material to do next week's (and this week's) homework and some motivation
for getting caught up. Doncha just love irregular verbs? Esperanto has none.