Apollo BBS Archive - September 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - September 10, 1988



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Message: 4160
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod on JT
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:02:28

OH! When was JT 'a fairly nice person'? I don't recall and have been here
over a year! I will admit to reading and enjoying some of his posts, but
lately he hasn't posted any of value - just critisizm and sarcastic, mundane
remarks. Guess he's saving all his good stuff for his job - leaving us with
his garbage! See you later. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 4161
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Sandy/JT's rock.
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:03:57

Yeah - it moved! His head wouldn't fit under it and it was a bolder too!
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 4162
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann/JT
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 16:49:13

Yeah, you're right.  Your penetrating logical analysis of the flaws in his
argument really made him look like a fool.

Message: 4163
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Opening A Store
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 20:19:11

I'm planning on opening an independent record store somewhere in northern
Arizona sometime within the next year. My design (theoretically) provides
for a 97% (or more) pilfer-proof shopping environment, without all of those
expensive security "walls" that do nothing but beep, which gives the
shoplifter the instruction to RUN LIKE HELL!
 
Anyhow, on to my serious question. Which is better, to enter a fixed-rental
rate agreement, or enter a profit-sharing rental rate agreement? I've seen
heads being beaten into other heads on this subject, and nothing has been
said to sway my opinion one way or another. Suffice to say, where I plan on
opening my record store there is high traffic, and very little competition
(within the entire town!). For my type of smaller record store, would it be
better to enter a strip mall, or attempt to locate into a mall or mini-mall?
If the venture is successful, I plan on either expanding the store to carry
videos, or to possibly rent an adjacent piece of property and run the video
store as a seperate entity. I don't want to go into too much detail, as this
plan represents my current life's ambitions, and I don't want to lose it to
someone with more money and big ears.

Message: 4164
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 22:28:36

I suggest not becoming a business owner under the Dukakis administration. 

Message: 4165
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod W.
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 23:19:55

  Anyone who desires to do away with private property (as your 'a square
mile free for each person' scheme would) is a socialist. There are many
socialist schemes which may or may not be identified with existing
governments. The only thing they all have in common is a pre-destined
descent into failure and misery since they are based on a view of human
nature which is incompatible with human nature as it exists.
  It makes as much sense as designing a utopian environment for a species of
animal which does not exist and then killing hundreds of millions of
existing livestock in an attempt to force them to mutate into something
compatible with the new environment. This is what Marxism has done, only
with people.
   See You Later
      Dean H.


Message: 4166
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 23:45:02

What we're arguing about, really, is whether a landlord and tenant have the
right to enter into any agreement, and whether it is rational to criticize
them when they wouldn't have entered into the agreement unless they expected
some benefit.
This says nothing about whether in a particular instance, it is better to go
with the profit-based rent or flat rate.
It's my impression that the best place for a record store is in a mall, even
if a small one.  The strip malls don't get as many impulsive walk-ins.  But
whether the advantage of a mall is enough to justify the added cost in your
case, I don't know.  You might talk to Kimber Lanning, former Zia's
employe, who (last I knew) was running a record store called Stinkweeds (or
something like that, ask Zak).  I don't know if she was succesful.

Message: 4167
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Lippard
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 13:36:27

You still think "Disco Duke" is going to win the election?

Message: 4168
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: ANN/JT
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 14:29:51

        When he was delivering pizza, JT was a decent sort of chap.  I guess
every one of his old aquaintances are beneath him, except for those who
agree with his 'quaint', cruel ways.  Oh well.  
        JT doesn't look like a fool, more like a blob without feelings.  

Message: 4169
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dean/Socialism
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 14:35:17

        Oh well, again.  Sorry, but mankind doesn't have the mental capacity
to have a smooth running environment at this time.  Perhaps we never will
but the voilent motion in the universe will decide our fate even if we sleep
all the time.
        Too bad we couldn't have a fun world while life exists but that is
directly attributble to our current stupidity.
        * - *  See You Around The Universe * - *       Rod

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 1:        The city, county, state, & national governments have think-tanks 
 2:who's job it is to think up creative ways of taxation.  The rule of thumb 
 3:is, if taxation cannot be effectively enforced then make it illegal. 
 4:(social gambling, etc.)  
 5:        By the same token, capitalists of the so-called private sector do 
 6:the same thing...think up new ways to get more.  This in turn is passed on 
 7:to the comsuming public by higher rates.
 8:        By the rule of capitalism, profit and growth are the motives.  In 
 9:order to make more, prices must rise on a continuum.  This is a dead end 
10:system of which we haven't quite reached that end but it is in the cards of 
11:the not so very distant future.
12:        It is a wonder we still have pennies, dimes, etc.  What will the 
13:future generation do about this situation as prices rise?  Someday, a five 
14:dollar bill will be the smallest currency, etc.
15:        If this system of ours is the best, large working system on this 
16:planet, it doesn't mean it is without fault.  People keep pointing to 
17:socialism or capitalism and saying, "see", well, hell, it doesn't mean a new
18:and different system from these others couldn't be designed.  But that takes
19:intelligence, doesn't it?
20:end

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Message: 1955
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Fing!
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:06:05

I love Fing! 

Message: 1956
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Fing
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:46:33

Maybe we all ought to stop this Fing around and find some more users for
Apollo.

Message: 1957
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 15:36:14

Fing Cliff

Message: 1958
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Last few
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 20:21:10

This whole conversation makes me want to upching.

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Message: 54082
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol And Stars
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 07:13:10

John Garfield, Paul Munie and a few others were all purged under the 
Mc Carthy Witch hunt for pinkos.

It is a shame that back then you were not as free as today. Back then you
could not speak yor thoughts if you were in the Public eye. God help us 
all if Rod or JT was around then.
*           The Old Fart Ralph

Message: 54083
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol/the stars
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 07:55:43

Yeah - I remember Robert Walker. Wasn't too fond of him though but have you
seen his son in a few things on TV? He ABSOLUTELY looks like his father.
It's eerie. John Garfield - oh how I loved him and still drool when I see
his old movies. He dripped sex appeal. Ralph was right about him being
ruined in the 'Witch Hunts' and he died fairly young. Have not read his life
story. Yes, George Sanders comitted suicide. He was Za Za's fourth husband I
think. She claims he was the only man she ever loved.
I can't comment on Grable's decadence here - to sexually lurid. The stars
lives are sort of my hobby over the years - have read most of the biography
books - missed June Haver's though. Did know she went into a convent! Of all
the books - Judy Garland's life was the worse - saddest. Not that she was
decadent - people used her badly from childhood. She litterly died on a
toilet seat - her body simply just giving up life! It always amazes me how
a lot of them turn out so badly with so much beauty, stardom and the good
life. One would think they'd be some happiness in there. Of all that I read
- Lana Turner probably enjoyed stardom to the fullest and still plays the
part of a glamourous star. See you. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 54084
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: DOOM PROPHET
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:20:56

     I'd like to participate in your end of the world gathering, but I have
to work on Sunday.
     Maybe next time.

Message: 54086
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: News Today
Subject: We have a ....
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 10:35:03

.... new amusement park called 'America's Drug Merry-go-round and Zoo'!
Here's the scene: We are now going to spend $5.9 billion on our war
against drugs! That's a ludicrous figure since it's probably only a
third of what the profits are from drugs! It's also ludicrous when you
think where that money could better be used - Social Security -
Medicare - to pay off some of the National debt - the poor - the poor
in other countries - medical research on cancer - heart disease, etc.
 
And now - they have added the 'mighty feared' Death Penalty! Whoa! That
should really scare um' to death alright! But for the life of me, I
can't figure out why a drug related murder is any worse than an other
murder! We have the death penalty now and 99% of the murderers just sit
it out in prison awaiting their eventual parole.
 
But I'll have to admit they are gonna save us big bucks here - they are
going to "deny 'many' federal benefits to anyone convicted of two (2)
narcotics offenses"!! Boyee - that'll really stop them! They'll feel so
terrible with all those millions in profits from drugs but they can't
get their rightful pittance from the government and horror beyond
horrors, can't be buried in Arlington National Cemetery! That'll deter
any potential drug runner right there! What 'inhumane' punishment!
                           Cont.

Message: 54087
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: News Today
Subject: More
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 10:36:28

Cont.
That $5.3 billion dollar figure is only the icing however. It doesn't
include the trials and re-trials of these drug murderers, offenders,
dealers - nor the cost of housing them in prison for years - the cost
of new prisons that will have to be build to accommodate them - nor the
extra narcodic agents/police that will have to be hired - All, may I
add, coming out of the tax payer's pocket! This situation reminds me of
the old saying - "Like pounding sand down a rat hole"! Futile and a
waste of time!
 
But the very most ludicrous thing of all about this is -- it's the
people that want drugs - buys it and uses it! Take away the dealers
market and he'd be out of business. No one is forcing anyone to take
drugs. It's all made to sound as if we have no choices. Obviously, they
do not intend to give it up! So therefore, the only sane thing to do in
an insane situation is to give them what they want! Legalize Drugs! It
would cost us a fraction of the money used to fight it. We could grow
our own (the country) and make that profit - we could open drug
rehabilitation clinics - free to those that want to kick the habit.
(better than prisons) We could charge a small fee for said drugs so
that most could afford it without a life of crime to feed their habit.
We could flood the media with warnings of the dangers of drug use, just
like we do drunk driving et al. Isn't it about time for this?
                      =*--ANN--*=

Message: 54088
Author: Mike Evans
Category: Bulletins
Subject: new bbs
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 14:49:26

Hi, I am Mike, a cosyop of abolons castle, call this cool bbs at 939-5999
tell them mike sent you for higher access..also check out suboard number 4

Message: 54091
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GT
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 16:55:57

It's tonight at 8pm, at the Peter Piper near Metro.
Be there.

Message: 54092
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: end of time
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 22:30:27

Is everybody ready for the Rapture next week?  It's supposed to occur by
Wednesday, according to "88 Reasons Why the Rapture Will Be in 1988" by
Edgar C. Whisenant.

Message: 54093
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Hamilton
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 23:36:47

  Take all your reservations about remedying pollution problems in a
Libertarian political system and multiply them by two. Now you have
approximately the current situation with government acting as a go-between
and all powerful arbitrator of claims. When a company somehow loses favor
with a government department and faces legal action it still has a myriad of
options available to get itself back in favor with the department and get
off easy. If all else fails their lawyers just threaten to call the
government's bluff on the dubious legality of enforcing rules as if they
were laws and the whole thing is settled for a tiny fraction of the damages
originally sought.
  When the real injured party is procecuting a polluter the incentive is to
recover damages and prevent further incidents, when the government does it
the only incentive is some nice publicity. If the government actually did
anything to curb pollution a lot of staff and funding would be lost.
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 54094
Author: Jeff Watkins
Category: Bulletins
Subject: NEW BBS <>
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 03:18:44

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Message: 54095
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lopinto
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 13:34:08

He lives in Vergennes, Vermont, the smallest city in the United States,
which is also where he works.  He bought a new house where he lives with the
wife and kids.  His kids are now 13, 7, 5, and 3.  The 13-year-old said one
word to me the whole time I was there.  The others are a pain in the ass,
but they're cute nonetheless.  Frank spends a lot of time watching C-SPAN
these days, and Mary works at a deli and is also a volunteer member of the
local rescue squad.  Any other questions?

Message: 54096
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Drugs
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 14:51:28

        Good message on drugs.  Doesn't that post belong in a Letters to the
Editor column?

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 1:        Thanks for the information.  Please say hi for me the next time you 
 2:talk to him.  Either that or give me his address and number and I will phone
 3:him.  Frank was the first BBS user I spoke with after my initial log on.  He
 4:and I shared some of the same type of experiences in the sixties.
 5:                                Rod
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Message: 216
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Christian Rod!
Subject: Church
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 07:01:03

Gee Rod I go to my Church Every day. It is here at home and I preach
the sermon,always what I want to here.
The Old Fart Ralph

Message: 217
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Christian Rod!
Subject: Hey Rod!
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 08:12:34

Lets 'SAVE' Ralphy! He's in bad need of it. May the Force be with you.
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 218
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Mike Farter
Subject: Why you...
Date: 09/09/88  Time: 20:30:24

You heap of decaying shreds of upper-palate flesh! Go throw yourself in a
vat of simmering cattle intestines and puppy vomit! You make me want to rip
the innards from a 3-week-dead swine infected with AIDS, and stomp them into
the ground until they stop squishing, and then force feed them through your
severed jugular vein!

Message: 219
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Daryl DickHead
Subject: Mike
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 12:17:51

Why don't you just SHOOT him?

Message: 220
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Daryl DickHead
Subject: Last
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 13:27:21

That would be too humane.  Mike deserves much worse.

Message: 221
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Christian Rod!
Subject: Westfall
Date: 09/10/88  Time: 13:37:34

What a geek.

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 1:        Do you want we should, you and I, gang up on Darly DickHead?  Why 
 2:don't you get him a job with the "Foundation"?  He can think and he is 
 3:humane.
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Subject:Conversion

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 1:        Ralph, you old fart, I would like to convert you to a better way of 
 2:life, both mentally and physically.  This better way is most commonly known 
 3:as atheism although I like to think of it as 'one with the universe', an 
 4:evolutionist.
 5:        It's never too late, you old fart, so get with it, stop on by and be
 6:attacted by my children who spout atheist propaganda at the top of their 
 7:little lungs, all the while never quite knowing what they are saying.  But 
 8:it doesn't matter, we all are brainwashed, you with a bogus religion and 
 9:they with a non-religion they hardly understand.
10:        We all start out fairly blank (Mozart?) and whatever is DRILLED into
11:you is usually what stays unless something happens during your life time 
12:that wakes that mighty blob of gray matter up and makes you think.
13:        Some people go through their entire lives, never thinking, just 
14:accepting whatever is told them.  This is the norm.  But there are people, 
15:such as myself, who was dropped on their heads at birth, who question every 
16:word, every thought.  
17:        Yes, I most certainaly admit that the latter group are happier (the 
18:non-questioners) and get through life easier.  Sports, beer and church are a
19:fun, alternative but once your mind has been blown, you can never get back 
20:unless you have a full lobotomy and they ain't cheap.
21:        Join us Ralph, we love you.
22:        * - *  See You Around The Universe * - *       Rod
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First name:DEAN
Last name:HATHAWAY
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 1:        The electronic store was closed.  They open Monday so I will go by 
 2:and keep you informed.
 3:        What do you need (not excluding green paper shit: cash)?
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