Apollo BBS Archive - October 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - October 29, 1988


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Message: 4605
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last Few
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 11:38:32

        With friends like these .......

        Who needs enemies!
                                hehehe

Federal Express is waiting .......

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Message: 1131
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Alan/cars
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 08:45:39

I had exactly what your parents have - the Cadillac and it was a dream! They
truly don't make cars like that anymore even with a price tag of $25,000!
Mine was a 1968 model though and it was huge! Unfortunately, it started
wearing out and parts were hard to come by. We got a Ford Granada that was
pretty big too, but nothing like the Caddy. At the time we had 5 vehicles
and sold it to our son. He lost it stupidly - it would be considered a
classic now and I'll always regret giving it up. It got 16 miles per gallon
with out a tune up and a fellow we knew had one just like it - fined tuned
it and got 21 miles per gal. out of it! We paid $1,600 for that car in 1970
off of a used car lot! It had 46,000 on the speedomiter. =+= ANN =+=
P.S. Yes - where have you been?

Message: 1132
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Allan's where-abouts
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 11:40:36

        He was captured by a clever Irishman .........

Message: 1133
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Caddies
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 21:05:42

        When I lived in L.A., 1960, I bought and drove a 1946 Caddy.  When I
moved from there, I gave it to a friend.  The friend later kidnapped Frank
Sinatri, Jr.  I moved to New Orleans where I purchased a 1948 Caddy and
drove that for a few years until I bought a 1955 Cad.  Then I started wising
up and in 1966 I purchased a new red, VW Karmann Ghia.  In 1968 I got a
another new Ghia, red.  Since I no longer like to work on automobiles, I use
vehicles that have a Mopar, 225, slant six.
                                Rod

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Message: 55000
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 05:08:35

Only when he's in his elf stage.

Message: 55001
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol/kids
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 08:36:33

I agree with your post. My daughter dedicated her life to raising her 3 kids
and right now, it seems that it was all in vain! He two oldest, boys, are
not exactly dopers or criminals - but they certainly do not act the way they
were raised. They want complete freedom to do what they want - does not want
her telling them what to do in the least - even though she feeds and houses
them and they have no jobs. They won't keep their messes cleaned up nor come
in at her specified hours. One came home totally drunk the other night. They
completely disregard her as if she isn't even there. One is already 18 but
has no ambition and just 'takes' from who ever is foolish enough to give -
the other boy is 16 and still a minor but wants total freedom too. Her
guilty feelings won't let her throw the bums out - but if she did, they'd
just become street people. Her daughter is 11 and still a great kid though.
She went to much effort to raise these kids right - with a firm hand but a
loving heart. I always thought she was the best mother I ever saw, but it
got her no where. We only hope they will out grow all of this and become
decent self supporting people. All their years they went to a church private
school - but it only went to the 8th grade and then they had to go to public
school. That was when the trouble started! Peer pressures got to them I
guess. We love these kids very much but certainly don't like them at this
stage! If she had a man around the house, no doubt it would help. I know if
my husband was raising them - things would be different or they simply
wouldn't be there! I know that parents have been complaining about their
teenagers for centuries - but it seems that the teens today face more
problems than we did at that age. =+= ANN =+=

Message: 55004
Author: Mychele Nickels
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Want to have a fair?
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 10:17:51

There will be at gt tonight at the AZ fair.  Meeting t time, 8pm.  Where? 
The north enterance.
I will be the one in the red hair.
I might have a sign too.
How about Libra?
 
So, come one, come all, and come with a friend!

Message: 55005
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Raising Kids
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 12:28:37

        It takes more than love and devotion .......
It also takes Values and Practicing What You Preach.

        Carol, take heart. Can you wait a few more years and then I
will let you know if I had to 'eat' any of my words? (hehehe)
        I am spending a great deal of time and effort raising my boys.
I, UG, am practicing what I preach and am instilling in each one of them
Moral and Religious Values.

Message: 55006
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Carol Graham
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 14:55:43

  I always resent extra effort!
   See You Later
      Dean H.

Message: 55007
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Taranto
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 14:57:14

You ask:
 Since you cannot cite any historical precedent, can you offer any evidence
 that either (1) the Democratic Party is likely to cease being a major party
 or (2) if it does, the Libertarian Party is likely to supersede it as the
 second major party?

  It is a fact that major political parties have come and gone in the past.
I suspect that you would agree with me that the Democratic party is
suffering under the heel of a liberal minority which dictates its platform
and national candidates in a way which is not supported by much of its
membership (Otherwise no Republican could win the Presidency).  
  The fact that these people will not vote Democratic AND will not register
Republican tells you that they are not satisfied with either and will jump
at the chance to support a party which offers both economic and personal
freedom. The more viable the Libertarian Party becomes, the faster they
will be jumping ship. The more people jump, the faster the old ship will
be sinking, since it isn't that seaworthy to begin with. When it is clearly
unable to run a credible national campaign, the remaining hands will have
to decide between the remaining alternatives if they want to have any say
in national policy. The only obstacle I see to this scenario is a major
change in Democratic party leadership and direction.

Message: 55008
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hathaway
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 17:40:31

There are two major flaws in your argument.  First, while it is true that
the Democratic Party is in trouble at the national level, because it is
dominated by Northeastern liberals who are far from the mainstream of
American opinion, the Democratic Party is still strong at the state and
local levels.  For example, while all 11 states of the Confederacy are
expected to go Republican in the presidential race, in most cases by wide
margins, Democrats control both houses of the legislatures in all those
states.  For example, Democrats hold 116 seats in the Mississippi House of
Representatives, compared with 6 for Republicans.  Democrats hold 35 seats
in the South Carolina Senate, compared with 9 for Republicans.  Of the 22
U.S. senators from these states, only 6 are Republicans.  Only one state
(Virginia) sends two Republicans to the U.S. Senate; after Nov. 8 it is
likely that only one state (Mississippi) will.

Of course, the Democratic Party of the South is barely recognizable as the
same Democratic Party that created Michael Dukakis, and that Lloyd Bentsen
and Jesse Jackson come from the same party is truly amazing.  It is likely
that after the Bush landslide there will be a major shakeup in the
Democratic Party, which will determine whether it is led by people like
Bentsen (in which case it may again become competitive at the national
level) or Jackson (in which case it will be a minority party for a very long
time).

It's silly to write the obituary of the Democratic Party, however.  It is,
after all, the oldest political party in the world (having formed in 1832),
and it has endured hard times before (between 1860 and 1928 the Democrats
won only four presidential elections).  It is very likely, in my estimation,
that the Republicans will become the majority party, perhaps taking control
of Congress sometime in the 1990s.  But the Democrats will stay around,
although what direction they will take is impossible to foresee.  Certainly,
ours will remain a two-party system and the Democrats will be one of those
parties unless a viable third party forms.  This hasn't happened since the
Civil War.

You, of course, insist that the Libertarian Party will be this third party. 
This is the second (and more serious) flaw in your argument.  It is what I
call the Libertarian conceit:  the notion that political success is the
result of coming as close as possible to the libertarian agenda.  (For an
excellent demonstration of this fallacy, see an article in Reason earlier
this year titled, "Why Bush Is Winning," which argues that Bush's success is
the result of his opponents taking particular stands with which libertarians
disagree.)

Let us suppose that the Democratic Party is on its way out.  What makes you
think that the Libertarian Party is a likely alternative to the Democratic?
Remember that the Libertarian Party was formed as an alternative to the
Republican Party, by free-market Republicans disgruntled with President
Nixon's imposition of wage and price controls.  (Can anyone imagine
President Reagan or President Bush imposing wage and price controls?)

Now, who are all these people who you say will "jump at the chance to vote
for a party that offers both economic and personal freedom"?  And why
haven't they jumped?  After all, Libertarians have been running since 1972
and the only time they've gotten more than one percent in a presidential
race was in 1980, when protest voting was very big.  (John Anderson, a
candidate without a party, got six times as many votes as Ed Clark, the
Libertarian candidate.)

People are not deserting the Democratic Party because it does not adhere
to the Libertarian platform.  The Democratic Party's biggest problems are
its weak position on national defense and its permissiveness on social
issues.  The Libertarians are arguably worse than the Democrats on foreign
policy -- they advocate complete isolationism.  This is unlikely to be a
popular position anywhere.  On social issues, they advocate complete
permissiveness.  "Reagan Democrats" are not going to vote for a party that
advocates stopping aid to the Afghan freedom-fighters and legalizing drugs.
If people are uncomfortable with the Republican Party, it is because the
Republicans' nominally laissez faire economic policies are seen as favoring
"big business" over the "little guy."  Note Dukakis' marginal success at
pressing his message of "economic populism."  This is unlikely to be a
decisive factor, though, for pragmatic reasons:  economic freedom works.

Message: 55011
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann's grandkids
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 18:40:26

I read your post about your grandkids, and I wondered if I will be in the
same boat 10 or 15 years from now.  Our 3 boys 9, 10, & 12 are all in a
Christian school.  The school is doing an excellent job both scholastically
and morally, but they are looking forward to attending a public high school.
 Who can give a reason for your daughters situation?  Certainly not I.  I do
think not having a father in the home was a contributing factor.  A family
needs both a mother and a father in the home.  I've never been a single
parent, but I think it's vastly over rated.

Message: 55012
Author: Mychele Nickels
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: The a fair
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 19:17:21

NEVER MIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I am so disapointed in you all!  
 
I knew the clan was dead but I didn't know all of Phoenix was too!

Message: 55013
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Vote
Subject: Denver
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 19:23:33

Note that he shouldn't be using NASA facilities for his training, which I
understand that he is...

Message: 55014
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: War!
Subject: Nikki's attitude
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 19:29:38

I just logged in, read your post, decided I wanted to rush down there, then
finished reading the public board.  Good thing, too, or I would be waiting
in vain.
 
Message: 55015
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Politics
Subject: Parties
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 21:12:10

        When the average American voter wakes up, I believe either the
Libertarian Party will grow or the two major parties will take a more fair
tact in order to keep the Libertarians down.  In any case, I see this third
party as very important to our future freedoms.

Message: 55016
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: raising children
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 21:15:03

        My children have NO religious training.  My wife and I love them and
they love us.  We live like brothers and sisters.  It couldn't be easier.
        I think the trick here is to NOT let them get near a church.
                                Rod

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Message: 439
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Christian Rod!
Subject: Rod your last
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 09:35:03

Cliff cannot come over to my house because I have dogs and he's allergic to
them! I have 4 dogs plus 16 birds. He'd die within 5 minutes of entering
this house! 
Actually, Cliff performed a miracle on my computer - it runs better than
when it was new and only charged $2.95. Trouble is - he charged $498 to put
the computer, moniter and keyboard in my car! 
My story was fiction I admit - he came right back home after finding he
couldn't perchace a computer like mine. Poor soul! Such is life. =+= Annie
the AssP

Message: 440
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Mughty Sysop
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 09:38:17

Please don't put me in the ZONE! What you need here as I've mentioned before
is a (L)iar's sig or (L)ying sig. - where you won't put people in the Zone
for not telling the truth - even about the Sysop! We could make up these
outragious lies (bordering on the truth) and have lots of fun. Think about
it. =+= Annie the AssP

Message: 441
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Mighty SYSOPs
Subject: Last
Date: 10/29/88  Time: 12:37:13

        Ann, Cliff was joking. He would not put you in the ZONE for
your fictitious story.........he had too good of a laugh when he took
a look inside of your Tandy.
        Of course, the reality of what had to be done to make your Tandy
a semi-usable IBM compatable machine quickly set in ..................

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 1:        Invite Cliff to your house but don't tell him about the pets.  By 
 2:the way, do your pets have enough room to roam?  Do you?
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