Apollo BBS Archive - November 1991

Apollo BBS Archive - November 27, 1991


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Message: 8709
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 14:30:18

Re:  The next time you see a hunk of slimey cheese, think of it going into
your entrails and rotting there.

Why Rod, you're turning into a regular Adelle Davis!

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Message: 32
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: About me!
Subject: moi
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 03:12:59

I am just a regular guy. 

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Message: 1975
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff *Kolostow*?
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 03:16:50

Not too long ago, Cliff would ZAP somebody who called him by the name
Kolostow. Now he's freely using it himself? Did Cliff's sense of humor
improve cosmically, or did him and "Sandy Sysop" split up?

Message: 1976
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff's name
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 09:54:17

He and Sandy did not split up.

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Message: 80053
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: Apollo BBS
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 02:44:42

Wow, lots of new faces around here. New faces having the same old
discussions. A stinkweed by any other name spells just as rancid. Oh, sorry
to be negative, it's just that one would think after all this time something
would change. But nothing changes, it's just a spiraling, vertigoing
yin/yang cycle with the same gooey, slimy words being slung back and forth
like primoridial ping-pong balls covered with poop. And speaking of poop,
how in the hell are you all? I noticed something about censorship--Is
Clifford (oops, I mean Cliff...sorry Cliff) still doing censorship on here?
If so, tsk tsk. If not, bravo! Ann Oudin, you're still my cuddly little
honeybunch. You warm my tummy. Nick Ianuzzi, you're still a turnip-brained
twink, but love and kisses to you anyway. Beauregard and "Melissa," you're
like two tasty ding-dongs in a cozy little package, all soft, sugary, and
edible. And Rod, Rod, Rod...you're the same old veteran hippie, spreading
the gospel of subgenius incoherence. God bless you, Rod. I am amazed that JT
is back, and still using that tired old expression...I wish he'd shut up
you-know-when. I also noticed that Paul Slobber and Mike F-F-..er, Carter
are still doing their parodies of blind Christians. You have to respect the
consistency of tone...why, one is almost inclined to believe that their
intolerance and hatred were actually for real! (But it couldn't be...true
Christians would never get into heaven if they really acted that way.) Oh,
lordy, you all know I'm just pulling your collective electronic legs. Who
are these oh-so-wordy nerdies who engage in the nit-pickingest debates since
Mark Adkins? C'mon, now...*Archimedes*? He's joking, right? Oh well, the
Wall is just the same, just the same, for ever and ever and ever and ever...

Message: 80054
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: My Dinner with...
Subject: Apollo BBSers
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 03:01:31

Where is Michelle Reynolds when you need her? She could teach you all a
thing or two. Where is Daryl Westfall, where is James Hawley, where is Bob
Thornbob, er, Thornburg? Whatever happened to Cervelli enterprises? Remember
the GT where Christian Williams threw pie at Peter Cervelli's car? How about
the GT at Golf-n-Stuff where Rod brought his mobile phone, embarrassing
Cliff? And remember the Falcon Field GT when Cervelli parked his car right
in the middle of everything, so Peter Petrisko and company kept throwing
oranges at it, making the alarm go off? Those were the good old days, yes
sirree... If David Burkhart could see you now, he'd be ashamed, ashamed I
tell you! Laura Lansberry's voice would go soft. Aster Scott would revoke
your poetic licenses. But, as Nick Ianuzzi might say, I am babbling.
     Here are a few thoughts:
     * The AIDS hysteria is ridiculously stupid. Just because a welll-liked
jock dies, suddenly everybody's in another uproar. But nothing has changed
about AIDS. Heterosexuals are still a miniscule risk group. People who use
AIDS as an excuse for moralizing should be taken out and shot, as Paul
Savage would say. 
     * I tried to find another debate topic on the BBS, but AIDS seems to be
the only one getting much attention right now. In the immortal words of Rod
Williams, o' well.

Message: 80055
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Question?
Subject: last two
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 03:58:20

Who is Zak Woodruff?

Message: 80056
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/AIDS
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 04:03:19

I am not being rude, merely factual.  I don't see anything wrong with a
little moralizing, either, but face facts --- teenagers are going to have
sex, AIDS or no AIDS.  They are at an age where they feel immortal, and that
AIDS will happen to someone else.  Educating them to use condoms may be
sinful in the eyes of many, but it is far better than a lost generation.

By the way, I don't think it it necessary to begin AIDS education at age
six.  That is way too early to inject such complex and fearful thoughts into
a child's mind.  Perhaps age eleven or twelve would be more appropriate.

Message: 80057
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Arch's doublespeak
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 09:34:04

It seems to me that you are the victim of a cruel hoax.  If you give me a
note, intending to later "demand payment", and these notes are negotiable,
then I can give the note to someone else, I can fail to present it, I can
even *destroy* the note.  How are you going to get your payment?
 
 
P.S. Did someone in your group call John Dayl on KFYI yesterday afternoon?

Message: 80058
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak ...
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 09:51:33

If you think AIDS is the only topic here, or that it is only "the same old
things" being discussed, perhaps you should take a remedial reading course.
 
By the way, Thornbob turned into a Cat; Adkins is now called Matlock.

Message: 80059
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/no sex
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 13:02:25

Can you clarify something?  IF the only real "safe" sex outside of a
monogamous relationship is no sex what is it you would have those not in a
relationship do to satisfy their hormonal urges, if anything.  Would it be
OK for them to masturbate?  If not are they just suppose to be horney all
the time?

Message: 80060
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Arch/hard money
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 13:17:41

Hmm, you have me confused..I raised the suggestion that for us today to
actually use a hard money currency rather then paper (notes and checks) and
you come back and say we can do it with fax machines and electronic
transfers.  I may be dense, but that is not my idea of hard money.  That is
just another way of useing notes and checks.  The fact remains that there is
no way our economy could function on a "cash" "hard money" basis.
  As to the fractional reserve business, I agree with you that that is one
of the things that lead to problems.  But, when you get right down to it,
there really isn't much difference between managing the economy thru a
fractional reserve system that controlls the value of money and a gold
standard that can be, and periodically must be, changed to controll the
value of money.  It all still comes back to having a gvt that is not out of
control.  If the gvt is under controll then the rest of it is just
bookeeping.  If the gvt is out of control then you are screwed no matter
what.  Your position seems to be that the gold standard would somehow keep
the gvt under control.  I just don't see that since the gvt is the one who
controlls the gold standard.  For the gold standard to be IN CONTROL then
the valuation of gold would have to be taken out of the hands of the US gvt
and put in the hands of a WORLD GVT.  Surely you would not be in favor of a
NEW WORLD ORDER that would control the value of all money!!!!!!!!

Message: 80061
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ARCH/notes
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 13:28:51

You still have it backwards.  I am not giving the gvt my labor in exchange
for their notes.  I am giveing someone (my employer) my labor in exchange
for a paycheck.  I convert the paycheck, in part, to cash in the form of our
current medium of exchange which is FRNs.  I do NOT get my FRN's from the
gvt.  I merely use them as a medium of exchange since they are rather
convenient for that purpose.  And I rarely have more then a few hundred of
them around.  Most of my wealth is NOT tied up in FRNs.  And anyways, FRN's
are NOTES, an IOU from the gvt to whoever bought them origianlly (one of the
Federal Reserve Banks I believe).  It is a promissory note from the gvt to
the FRBank.  If the bank, or any one demands payment on the NOTE they will
be paid by the FED GVT with a nice new FRN.  That is the only aspect of the
situation that is a "scam" since clearly there is no real "money" as you
view it, available from the gvt in exchange for the NOTE when you demand
payment.  From the gvt's standpoint the FRNs are just dandy since they can
expand or contract the money supply with them and thereby "manage" the
economy and create inflation or deflation.  In a MacroEconomic sense, at any
given point in time, there is a fixed quantity of REAL WEALTH in the country
and that real wealth is going to be represented by the amount of MONEY in
circulation.  MONEY divided by REAL WEATH = value of the money.  If you
increase the amount of money out their then it's value goes down since the
total wealth remains the same.  That is what causes inflation; more money in
circulation for whatever reason with the most common reason being that the
gvt turns on the printing presses and "sells" some more FRNs to the FRBanks.

Message: 80062
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Politics
Subject: Arch
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 13:31:12

My labor is not worth less and less and less unless my wage inflation fails
to keep up with my money deflation.  It is only a ripoff if I'm on the wrong
side of things.  For some situations the kind of inflation you decry is
wonderful - i.e. you own REAL goods that generate REAL wealth.

Message: 80063
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Answer!
Subject: Arch/Serrated edges
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 13:38:35

And the serrated edges just show that ANY money can be devalued.  I have no
reason to think that we would be any better off with money of intrinsic
value rather then "worthless" paper money.  Both depend on the gvt for their
stability.  What makes you think a gold coin's value cannot be easily
manipulated?  ALl the gvt has to do is change the defined value of it.  And
as the economy expanded and gold coin, as a medium of exchange, became in
short supply (it would have to serve more and more people and more and more
wealth) they would surely change it's value.  Most likely they would have to
make each ounce worth more so that the coins be be made smaller and smaller
or alloyed so they contained less and less gold.  It would be no different
then now except it would be hard to get those coins in our wallets.

Message: 80064
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Answer!
Subject: ARch
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 13:47:27

You mixed up so many different things in your FRNs to apples story that I
don't think it can even be rationally answered.  For one thing, regardless
of the medium of exchange, a sale now in exchange for a note ALWAYS carries
with it the risk of inflation as well as the potential of DEFLATION.  While
you chose to present the story as if their was going to be inflation in the
common sense of the word it would also be turned around.  For example, it
may well be that the house HE paid 10,000 for by borrowing from you will
have gone down in value to only 5,000 when the note is due.  But he still
has to pay you 10,000 back.  Now YOU are in a positon to buy TWO houses for
the same money HE could only buy one with.  Also, if you are that worried
about the value of the money you could just do an adjustable rate loan to
the guy and voila, problem solved - peg it at 6% interest plus the inflation
rate and you are protected.
  As to whether I would be happy if he dumped Apples in my lap, well , why
not, ?  If Apples were declared the new legal tender and I had to accept
them then so would everyone else wouldn't they!!! So I could spend them just
like I spend FRNs.  Now I'll grant you,, no one likes have ing the rules
changed in the middle of the game but it WAS your example and a fairly
ridiculous one!!  You are still blaming the money for the failures of our
leaders.

Message: 80065
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ARCH/WHY support gol
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 13:56:17

d standard.  You didn't even come close to addressing the point of my
message.  I understand why you want a FIXED standard (good luck), my point
is WHY GOLD???  If you are so convinced that the gvt is going to pass a
"GOLD STANDARD" and then actaully stick to the established value and not
monkey with it, why would you want a GOLD standard, a standard that is
inherently unfair since it rewards those who happen to own gold mines.  It
would seem to me lthat the only fair thing to do is for the gvt to REALLY
control things and simply manufacture a fixed quantity of Titanium coins
that are somehow not counterfeiterble and put then into cirulation, or
some similar scheme.  After all, your gold coins would not be
non-counterfeitable since they could easily be alloyed down, sandwiched, etc
and to protect oneself you would have to determine the density of every coin
you took in payment, hardly are reasonable way to do business.  And as I
pointed out before, it really isn't a practical system to have nothing but a
coin money supply.   You talk of "rebacking" the notes but if there are
notes instead of real gold coin they system would not last a decade before
it was devalued unless you are again unwittingly supporting a GLOBAL GVT,
NEW WORLD ORDER that will enforce the gold standard on ALL countries.

Message: 80066
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Politics
Subject: ARCH/Kitty kitty
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 14:00:21

I guess it boils down to the fact that you have not convinced me that you
understand how the system works or what money is for.  It doesn't matter how
many books you may have read, your arguments do not, to me, proceed from a
logical set of premises and lead to logical ends.  That is not a criticism
or attack on you just a statment of my reading of what you are saying.  I'm
sure the MANY people feel the same about some of what I post!

Message: 80067
Author: $ Fred Smith
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ARCH
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 14:05:04

I should have been more clear about what I meant by "Carried away".  If you
go into the jury room and start telling the other jurors YOUR interpetation
of the law, and how the judge is telling them wrong, and how they have this
right and that right, and possibly comming across as a little threatening to
boot, you may get in trouble.  One of the jurors may tell the judge about
your comments and he would very easily simply declare a mistrials on the
basis of a juror interferring with another juror.  IN the same way that a
juror who has been told to not read about the case in a newspaper can get in
trouble or cause a mistrial the same is very likely to happen if a juror
gets "carried away" in what he says and does in the jury room.

Message: 80068
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: B Dog
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 14:11:33

Re:  The man in question was probably a pederast but *not* a homosexual.

I'm not sure I understand your point.  Since it was an adult hitting on a
child, he was a pederast.  Since it was a male hitting on a male, he was
also a homo.  I guess he could have been bisexual.  Is that what you're
getting at?

Message: 80069
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Green
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 14:15:00

Re:  What a stupid question. Of course you wouldn't.

I'm glad you answered your own "stupid question."  I usually don't reply to
them.

Message: 80070
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 14:16:47

Re:  Okay, everyone pick their favorite way to die and try to stick to it.

I would like to die of old age while I'm sleeping.

Message: 80071
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 14:20:13

Re:  But then again I have shares of National Condom so buy lots.

With all the recent hoopla about AIDS/HIV, etc, I'll bet your stock is going
through the roof!  No matter what happens, someone manages to get rich from
it.

Now why didn't I think of that?

Message: 80072
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 14:24:16

Welcome back Zak; now go away again!

Message: 80073
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Fred Smith/80059
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 15:16:44

It would be okay for people to masturbate.....as long as they wear a condom.

Message: 80074
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Zakey, Zakey, Zakey
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 15:19:47

Ah, finally someone made some sense on this board.  You've been missed.

Message: 80075
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Felix/death
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 15:20:37

So, you'd like to die quietly in your sleep.  Tis a possibility.  Good luck.

Message: 80076
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: THE NOW (for Zak)
Date: 11/28/91  Time: 15:21:20

In the roots of Capitalism there is an inherit glitch and every so
often it has to take a dump in order to 'cleanse' itself.  I think we
are in the early period of that dump.

The work force exceeds the positions available and it seems that we
are losing more ground rather fast.  Our society has stagnated itself
both economically and socially.  Bankruptcies and AIDS are the new
buzz words of today.

In a few years contact sports will either be very limited or will not
exist.  People will not have the funds to go to sporting events and
the players will be afraid of acquiring AIDS.

As E.J. Montini said in his Thanksgiving Message, this date, "At least
we aren't dead."  Yet.

But what if we were?  Would it REALLY matter?  Isn't it going to
happen soon, anyway.  Some of us will die of heart disease, AIDS,
cancer, automobile accident, gunshot wound, having a 100,000 pound
block of steel fall squarely on our heads.....and so what?

The important thing, I believe, is to make the very best of it, in
both living and in dying.  I think that a smile is one of the real
powerful forces here on earth.  Use it.  Accept that which is to come
and understand that this trip here on this little planet is just like
the song says:  "If you believe in forever then life is just a one
night stand." 
                                Rod