Apollo BBS Archive - November 1991

Apollo BBS Archive - November 25, 1991

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Mail from Pete Fischer
Date: 11/24/91  Time: 23:02:17

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Glad to hear you beat the garbage rap, it's a *MAJOR PAIN*. I've had similar
problems in the past. I've got 1.5 regular jobs at the moment, and some very
noisey neighbors who would prefer to prevent my sleep.
        The God of Bellybuttons *DOES* sound good, though.
                                        One of the Petes
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 1:Jobs tend to keep us out of sync with nature.  It's too bad about the noisey
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 4:How do you think our social ills could be solved.  Do you think we now have 
 5:an overabundance of working class and new poor.  What solution do you see as
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Mail from Michael James
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 23:23:54

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I gave her your number already. 
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 1:She hasn't phoned.  How is it going in your particular camp?  Are things 
 2:falling apart or growing?  
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 4:I see a decline in spending on the part of the people, probably because they
 5:are using that money to support their unemployed family members.  
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 6:Do you think that AIDS will solve the problem or will we have to have a war 
 7:to speed things up?
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 9:Just curious on your thinking about the current economic situation.  I 
10:suppose it has happened many times before, both mini and maxi.  Look at the 
11:Plague, the fires and the eventual rebuilding of Europe not so very long ago
12:in human history.  There are a lot of other examples.
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Message: 8673
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Kars / Automotive
Subject: Crash & Burn...
Date: 11/24/91  Time: 23:30:35

        Well.. you guys were right...  I crashed and burned with those new
Bias Ply Red lines....  but not for the same reason you all suggested.
I was able to go OVER 35 MPH....  However, in my zest to finish my Cuda, I
ordered in those tires and wheels and lug nuts and other assorted parts
thinking I had this nice big job I was working on.  No sooner had I placed
the orders, the job was pulled back in by the company who issued me the job
to begin with.  Well... I ran out of FRNS and could not feed the family.  I
did not have any Gold bars or Silver coins stashed either.  To make things
worse, I had NOTHING to do for 18 days and could find no work.  And even
worse... Sandy was 'pissed' and has told me clearly... I am not to buy
anything else for the Cuda, till... we are back up to snuff in the ol'bank
book.  To me...that is as bad as a 'Crash & Burn'....  Sniff

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Yes, I am working on two small jobs... at least it is some work!

Message: 8674
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Fire'arms
Subject: My Truck wins!
Date: 11/24/91  Time: 23:38:46

        Remember back a few months ago.. (last summer)..  My truck was shot
by some kids who had nothing better to do.  Well, the case FINALLY came to
court... and WE have been awarded the full asking price of our claim.

        Not only that, but at my suggestion, they are sending that kid to a
gun safety class.. as ordered by the court!  The mother hates guns so much
she has kept her son totally in the dark by pretending guns do not exist.
She said she never would even let him have toy guns.  No wonder that this
youngster had this un-supervised curiosity about guns.  The mother believes
ignorance is the best way to handle weaponds.  The court believes otherwise.

        Now to collect the money....  Sigh!

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Message: 8675
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 04:55:17

Glad you got your settlement awarded at last.  The court also seems to have
some sense for a change.  This was even relatively speedy for our justice
system -- what was it, fifteen months?

Now if you can actually lay your hands on the money, will Sandy let you get
some more bits for the Cuda?  :)

Message: 8676
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Fire'arms
Subject: Felix/Glock etc. 1/3
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 04:56:30

I picked up a Glock yesterday also.  I went to a little gun show at the
American Legion post on Thomas.  (Or is it the VFW?  I always get them
muddled.)  Unlike you, I didn't pay for the Glock, so I had to put it down
again afterwards.  It did solve a mystery for me, though.  I've seen the
trigger mechanism described consistently as "double action" by several
writers -- and part of the trigger pull does in fact complete the cocking of
the striker -- though some of those writers did go on to mention vaguely
that the first part of the cocking is done when the slide goes forward into
battery.  Only the writer in that "Handgun Buyers' Guide", which I suspect
is the one that you read -- I picked up a copy of it in K Mart (and had to
put it back afterwards for the same reason) -- bothered to say explicitly
that if the pistol is completely decocked, you *do* have to rack the slide
before you can try to fire it again.  All right, it's a small point, and it
would only make a difference to the operation if you had a misfire.  But it
annoys me when people make inaccurate claims.  The Glock does have the
*safety* advantage of double-action-only, and much of the trigger lightness
of single action.  That's because it isn't true double action; it's sort of
"one-and-a-half-action-only" if you like.

Jeff Parks, a local gun dealer I spoke to, said he'd found some difficulty
shooting the Glock as accurately as some other pistols because of the weight
distribution.  As that high-capacity magazine slowly emptied, the weight in
the butt gradually reduced and he found himself changing his grip on the
pistol, which altered the point of impact.  Practice might overcome this.

Message: 8677
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Fire'arms
Subject: Felix/Glock etc. 2/3
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 04:57:45

I'd guess that because the Glock frame is so light, more of the weight may
be toward the muzzle compared with other pistols (since the barrel is
steel); although I thought it balanced quite well when I picked one up.  Now
Ruger makes a nice solid 9mm at an extremely competitive price (I've seen
these for well under $400).  Course, they did have a little problem a while
back when one owner's pistol fired as he operated the decocker.  Could have
been nasty!  It's a salutary reminder not to trust mechanical devices like
that.  Ruger recalled all of them, so I'm sure they've fixed that problem.
But I didn't like the balance on the Ruger at all.  It seemed far too
muzzle-heavy compared with almost anything else

Like Sandy, I like the feel of the SIG-Sauer -- though I've never fired one.
It's expensive too.  Another really great 9mm pistol is the CZ75, especially
the original Czech version.  According to the Republic a couple of weeks
back, we were supposed to be seeing a lot of firearms imports from ex-Iron
Curtain countries at very low prices -- which was worrying the anti-gun
nuts.  Well, there seem to be a few CZs here now, but the advantage of that
low price must have disappeared into the pockets of the wholesalers in the
export/import trade.  There *was* one at the gun show for $475, but
according to the seller the later imports are going for well upward of $500.

Anyway, this business of grip is a very personal one, so you needn't expect
the same difficulty with the Glock that Jeff has.  He also says he doesn't
like the PPK because he "doesn't know what to do with his little finger".

Message: 8678
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Fire'arms
Subject: Felix/Glock etc. 3/3
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 04:58:59

His personal favorite in a 9mm is the H&K, which he finds very accurate.
Now I don't know how I'd get on with that squeeze-cocker thing.  And of
course, he would pick the most expensive 9mm of the lot -- though he did
have a nice *used* one on sale for $599.  (Any connection, do you suppose?)

My neighbor has powerful hands -- mechanic's hands -- yet he says he could
never shoot a .45 Colt auto very well.  It could be because his fingers,
though strong, are too short and stubby to get around the butt properly.

If you find that you can't shoot the Glock quite as accurately as your 626,
I wouldn't be too surprised.  I imagine that 626 is a pretty nice steady
target gun with a good trigger.  Also, I've heard that most autos for some
reason just don't shoot as well right out of the box as a new revolver does.
As for me, my shootin' ain't good enough to tell the difference, though I
must say that I can shoot that .38 Colt revolver single action as well as or
better than anything of comparable power.  And so can my wife.

Good suggestion of yours that people without a firearm can just come along
to the GT and contribute some ammo.  I'd imagine that .38 Special and 9mm
would be good choices for many of the guns that will be there.  What else?
.223 perhaps?  A box of 20 costs $5 or less.  It's definitely cheating,
though, for someone to show up with a couple of dusty old ammo boxes dug out
of the attic and an expression of feigned surprise as they say "Whaddya
mean, nobody has an 8mm Roth-Steyr or a .58 caliber U.S. Berdan musket?"

Message: 8679
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Answer!
Subject: Joe/Loss
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 05:00:13

(Funny, back in the 50s and 60s there used to be a bandleader in England
whose name was Joe Loss.  I remember my Uncle George making corny jokes
about "Joe Loss and his brother, Dead".)  But this is about WEIGHT loss.

I might lose a pound or two more just as a safety margin, but currently I'm
at 148 lb., which is OK for my 5' 11".  I've never had a serious weight
problem, but ice cream and beer does make it float up 20 lb. or so and I
hate stuff hanging over my belt.  I have the yo-yo syndrome.  It's all very
well for these dietitians in newspapers and magazines who tell you "it's no
good just dieting to lose weight, you have to learn new eating habits to
keep it off."  I enjoy my food, and those "new eating habits" are *boring*!
It's also all very well for experts to say things like "you can eat all the
foods you enjoy, as long as you have small portions".  For me, part of the
fun of a good meal *is* being able to relax and eat as much as I like.

The only thing that works well for me is to make up for "serious eating"
with "serious dieting".  I don't stay motivated to diet and lose weight
unless I can see the weight falling off day by day.  So dieting for me is
very strict: a salad and veggies and some meat, fish or chicken, every day.
Virtually nothing else, no ice cream and beer especially.  I'm easing up a
lot now and eating extra things, but I think the best way of maintaining my
weight is to eat what I like at weekends and be fairly strict the rest of
the week.  Oh, and I hate exercise.  And running gives me a stitch.

Message: 8680
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Felix on Rod
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 05:28:01

 If 100 pounds was all Rod weighed in the first place, and he's lost that
much, does that mean he's gone?
Nah. We couldn't be THAT lucky!
(grin)

Message: 8681
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Weight loss
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 05:36:40

 What with my poor eating habits and lack of much vigorous exercize, I have
developed quite a center section since I retired a few years ago, but I'm
sort of reluctant to take it off. FOr one thing, I'm not sure how to
concentrate weight loss on just that portion of my bod, and for another, I
think I'll be able to get into the Santa suit this year without a pillow. I
guess every minus has a corresponding plus, maybe. The excess in front does
get uncomfortable, though.

Message: 8682
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff & Me: Broke!
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 07:49:14

> I ran out of FRNS and could not feed the family.
 
Lemme know when you're going down to DES for food stamps, Cliff.  We can
stand in line together and chat.

Message: 8683
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff Goes to Court
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 07:49:37

Congratulations on winning your court case, Cliff!  Tell me about the
process:  Did you go to Small Claims Court?  Did you represent yourselves?

Message: 8684
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Entertainment
Subject: DIEts
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 07:49:58

It's starting to sound like we should start a [LAS]orda Wannabe Dieters SIG.

Message: 8685
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Various
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 17:23:41

Cliff: Glad the court decided in your favor. I hope the little snots
 learn more than just firearm safety from all that. They're lucky to
be alive.
Gordon: O.k. you got a glock, what's with 3 messages about it all?
;-)
If electrons were at a premium, I couldn't afford your messages bud.
 
Well, the wife and I contracted the latest influenza and it has kept
me in bed from Thursday till Sunday. That marks the first time in 15
plus years that any disease had had me bed-ridden for more than a day.
It's real nasty folks. Don't get it if you can help it...
try not to snore or sleep with your mouth open like I did. :-(
 
So it looks good for a Shoot-out GT. I still haven't seen a response
from our Sysops. How-bout-it Cliff and Sandy? Are ye game?
Like to do it before it starts raining every weekend and snow covers
the 6000 foot level, cuz then it's hard to pull these chinese triggers.
 
      -Mike

Message: 8686
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/Your truck
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 18:08:51

What caliber was the gun that he shot your truck with?

-Chris

Message: 8687
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 19:34:38

Re:  Did you buy the Glock for $450 or $350 ???

It cost $449.96 + tax.

Message: 8688
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Fire'arms
Subject: Gordon
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 19:45:09

Re:  he'd found some difficulty shooting the Glock as accurately as some
other pistols

I took both the S&W 357 and the Glock to Shooters World today to do some
testing.  I seem to have better accuracy shooting the S&W using single
action than the Glock.  I think the reason is the trigger pull.  The S&W has
a hair trigger.  I can squeeze off a round before I react to the shot, but
with the Glock, I seem to react to the shot before it shoots.  The Glock has
a long trigger pull.  Most of the distance I can take up before I feel the
resistance of the release, but it still gets me.  I did improve as I tried
to overcome my fault of reacting to the shot.

Does any of that make sense? 

Message: 8689
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff/court
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 20:08:27

OK, you won a civil decision.  Were the kids ever brought up on criminal
charges for firing the weapon?  Perhaps in juvenile court?

Message: 8690
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 20:23:06

No, I *don't* have a Glock, Mike.  Felix has the Glock.  I just tinkered
with one at the gun show.  And I put three whole posts up about the general
topic of guns without even *buying* a Glock!  Boy, are you making me feel
guilty!  But my secret is that I read everything offline, so I don't care if
somebody runs off at the mouth, even if it's about butterfly collecting or
something else that ain't up my street.  I got all the time in the world.

Glad you raised the point about GT arrangements.  Everyone seems to be game,
but we don't have a DATE and TIME and PLACE set yet.  Any proposals?  How
about the weekend of 7/8 December?  Is Saturday or Sunday better?

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Message: 79971
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Random shots
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 05:02:18

"The Lord helps those who help themselves": And that, no doubt, is why we
find so many thieves prospering today.

"All things are in a state of constant chance": Yup, you can say that again!

"Amused indifference": If that were my opinion of somebody, wouldn't I be
grinning but keeping quiet about it?

[exit James Taranto mode]

Message: 79972
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cat on right
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 09:15:03

Of course we are always right dear cat! :-) 
 
Honestly, when I read or hear about AIDS in the medias - you'd think all of
us are totally helpless where that disease is concerned and they certainly
seem hell bent on proving that is is a Heterosexaul disease don't they?
                               -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 79973
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Politics
Subject: Ruddy D.J. Botty
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 10:06:58

        "A 10 hour instructional series on the formulation and application
of ordinary and extraordinary common law remedies"

        "Writs of Habeas Corpus, Mandamus, Prohibition, Writ of Error,
Trespass"

        Ruddy D.J. Botty, 4th Judicial District, 840 Bear Creek Trail,
Victor, Montana.

        This is a set of 10 tapes dated Oct 89...  Anyone interested may
BORROW these tapes.  $5.00 refundable deposit for $tatus users.  $10.00
refundable deposit for Non-Members.  For check out for no more than one
week.

        Also have a complete printout of "America . . . Occupied" by
Archimedes for checkout to those of you who can't [D]ownload it for one
reason or another.  The printout by the way is 31 pages (single spaced).
Refundable deposit required as stated above.

        Check with me first to make sure what you want is not already
checked out.

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Message: 79974
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Matlock/Opinion
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 14:42:48

I really appreciate your distillation of the opinion in this case. It is
clear to me that the failure to tell the jury that it has the right to find
for the defendent regardless of the law is grounds for reversal. Whether the
opposite is true, that a jury
can have a verdict reversed (in the case of finding innocent) is still open
as far as I can see.
 
I'm sorry you are burned out. I guess if I was REALLY interested I would
have gone to ASU myself. I wonder if there are electronic databases that can
be used to do searches ?

Message: 79975
Author: $ Green Lantern
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on helpless
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 14:44:56

How about going to the dentist ? If you look at this way you are having your
blood mixed with whatever the dentist touches. In this way, you could say
that you are having your teeth drilled by everyone that the dentist has ever
had sex with. 
 
I hope you never have an accident in which you require blood.
 

Message: 79976
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: GATOR_AIDS
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 17:16:30

Here's my undoubtably unwelcome and disliked opinion about aids but
it's my opinion and if you don't like it it won't change it.
I doubt if anyone can accurately determine just where and when the AIDS
virus got its start from. Statistically, early cases inclined to show us 
that homosexuals and drug abusers were by far a vast majority even when
it was first paid any media attention.
So to say it's anything *but* a homo & druggie disease is to promote
a lie. Just because it's managed to spread into the bisexual and into
the heterosexual population doesn't mean that its origins should be ignored.
It would only take a few spiteful homos to go and have intercourse with
some prostitutes to get it to spread everywhere. 
 
"You can touch and hug someonewith aids without getting the disease..{
Yeah, and I could touch and hug a bum out in the streets. Is this
AD campaigne designed to proffer public pity towards those who
so selfishly and foolishly contracted a deadly disease in full knowledge
for the past 10 years that you could get AIDS by screwing around with
protitutes, gays, drugs and casual encounters?
I don't buy this "We didn't know" line . You staple an ad in the newspaper
sometime that says BRAND X is a deadly poison disguised as sugar...then
let's see how quickly BRAND X gets yanked off the shelf.
You just can't play the game and expect to win everytime. 
It's not a happy disease, but it is a GAY one.

Message: 79977
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last rant
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 19:55:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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 2:virus.  
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 4:If you care anything about others and the quality of life on this planet 
 5:then you will want to have AIDS.
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 7:The work force, as we are learning, is too large for our current needs.  By 
 8:contracting this fun virus you will be helping to create another era of full
 9:employment for the remaining life.
10:
11:Also those survivors will then have the opportunity to re-new the old tired 
12:houses that are not environmentally sound.  Re-build using new technology.
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14:Or we could have another large scale war.
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 4:If you care anything about others and the quality of life on this planet
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15:
16:In any case, no matter what social rung you are on, enjoy your life and 
17:enjoy your death as both should be good.
18:
19:"AIDS IS FOR EVERYBODY" - Rod Williams
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Message: 79977
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last rant
Date: 11/25/91  Time: 19:55:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Message: 79978
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: AIDS volunteers
Date: 11/26/91  Time: 01:24:22

We are looking for many volunteers who are willing to contract the AIDS
virus.  

If you care anything about others and the quality of life on this planet
then you will want to have AIDS.

The work force, as we are learning, is too large for our current needs.  By
contracting this fun virus you will be helping to create another era of full
employment for the remaining life.

Also those survivors will then have the opportunity to re-new the old tired
houses that are not environmentally sound.  Re-build using new technology.

Or we could have another large scale war or both.

In any case, no matter what social rung you are on, enjoy your life and
enjoy your death as both should be good.

"AIDS IS FOR EVERYBODY" - Rod Williams

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Date: 11/26/91  Time: 00:57:14

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 1:You could make a line of locksmith tools, picks, car opening, key machines, 
 2:and other stuff.  They could be sold locally and nationally.
 3:
 4:If you made me 30 slim jim car opening tools out of strap steel I could sell
 5:them for 7.50 each and keep a buck for myself.  The car lots use them when 
 6:they are locked out of one of their vehicles.
 7:
 8:I wouldn't want to produce the new technology tools for general comsumption 
 9:except for the locksmith.  In the wrong hands the world becomes a
worse 
10:place to live.  Rod
11:end

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