Apollo BBS Archive - November 1988

Apollo BBS Archive - November 5, 1988


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Message: 4634
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann on King's Quest
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 12:54:06

        Ann!!!!  You had better READ that post on the Gemini STOre SIG
again.   It clearly states in that post all the Software is for the ATRAI
ST.   There is a post of some IBM/Clone software, but there is no King's
Quest listed.

*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

Message: 4635
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Idea for thought
Subject: Ann/last
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:01:08

        Take the hint, buy an ST.

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Message: 1143
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Doodle
Subject: Todd/halloween art
Date: 11/04/88  Time: 19:33:26

Tod, I just saw your Halloween art entry.  Loved it.  A little guy at our
house liked it, too, especially the "bow-wow."

Keep up the good work.

                                                   ****  Gary   ****

Message: 1144
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Gary/Tod
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:02:22

        Todd spells his name with two d's.....I thought we've been through
all that.  

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Message: 2261
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Question ?
Subject: Movies
Date: 11/04/88  Time: 19:39:16

I'd like to find a video copy of a Disney flick called (I think) "The Lives
of Thomasina."  It's a screen play of a Paul Gallico story, but I havn't
been able to find it at any of the rental stores.

                                                   ****  Gary   ****

Message: 2262
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Todd on me
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 00:55:31

Are you looking for trouble?
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Message: 2263
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Gary/movie
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:22:37

You might find that video at a Mr. Movie rental - they have a great
sellection of that type - also a lot of classics. =+= ANN =+=

Message: 2264
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Chris on Toady
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:30:28

Don't mind him - he's always looking for trouble! The Prince of Darkness was
at least a fair movie - the plot was understandable and the special effects
were good. Some of my favorite movies for plot and effects is - The Howling
- Ghost Story - Robocop - Preditor and the most fabulas of all ---
--- * THE TERMINATOR * with Arnie baby! To me - that is the perfect movie! I
taped it and watched it SOOOO many times - I actually wore out the tape. The
last time I watched it (knowing full well it was broken) - it got stuck in
the VCR and my husband had to tear the thing apart to get it out - all the
time cussing at me for such a dumb thing. He made me throw it away. Sob! I
suppose it will be eternity before it's back on one of the movie channels so
I can tape it again. I deffinately want the un-cut version so I can see
'Arnie swinging'!!! Hahhahahahah. Ta Ta =+= ANN =+=

Message: 2265
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Answer !
Subject: Movie
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 11:12:02

   The title is "The Three Lives of Thomasina."  If you can't find a tape of
it, watch the Sunday TV listings.  It shows up on Disney's shows once in a
while.
1 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 2266
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Disney
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:04:49

        We get the Disney Channel on cable.....let me know when it is
playing and I will tape it for you (and me).
                        Rod

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Message: 55169
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: Hamilton/color
Date: 11/04/88  Time: 18:15:51

What color did they use for Wallace in 1968?

Message: 55170
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hathaway
Date: 11/04/88  Time: 18:30:40

The term "Reagan Democrats" generally is applied to "Bible-belt Democrats,"
as you call them.  Republican victories in northern states in presidential
elections can be attributed more to independent voters than to Democrats.
Some of these voters likely have libertarian leanings, at least on social
and economic issues.  But the Libertarian Party's extreme positions on
social issues (legalizing drugs and prostitution, for example) and foreign
policy are unpalatable to the vast majority of voters.  The Libertarian
Party could moderate its views, I suppose, to bring it more into the
mainstream.  But if it did so it would cease to be the Libertarian Party as
we know it.  It also would be difficult to distinguish such a reconstituted
Libertarian Party from the Republican Party.  I assume your contention is
that the Libertarian Party could attract widespread support without
significantly altering its radical ideology, which seems virtually
impossible to me.

Incidentally, I have never been a leftist.  I guess at one point it would
have been accurate to characterize me an anarchist-libertarian, but mostly I
was an immature teenager.  Incidentally, when I was an immature teenager, I
used to use the same tactic you are using now.  Todd Reese called it
"parroting."  It wasn't subtle then (though I mistook it for cleverness); it
isn't subtle now.

Message: 55171
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard
Date: 11/04/88  Time: 18:45:12

Who is your "stereotypical conservative"?  George Will?  George Bush?  Jerry
Falwell?  Jerry Ford?  Robert Bork?  Robert Poole?  All of these people are
consevative, but there are vast differences between any two of them.  Of
course the Libertarian Party's platform does not reflect the views of all
conservatives, and conservatism and libertarianism are not identical.  The
two are not mutually exclusive, however; libertarianism is one ideological
tendency within a broad conservative movement.

Message: 55172
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Politics
Subject: Definition:
Date: 11/04/88  Time: 19:30:08

Read on another BBS (parroting, I guess!)

Liberal Politician:
     A politician who votes on every issue as if every one of his
constituents is a voter.

Conservative Politician:
     A politician who votes on every issue as if every one of his
constituents is a tax payer.

                                                   ****  Gary   ****

Message: 55173
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 11/04/88  Time: 21:32:51

  Montana's *Great Falls Tribune* reported that Flathead
County authorities tracked and arrested a Peeping Tom who
rode his horse up to a window and peered in at a woman
sleeping nude on her sofa.  Hearing the horse outside, the
woman awoke and produced a rifle.  The horseman took off as
she called the sheriff's department.
  When deputies came to investigate, "they learned that 
several other area residents had also seen the man and that
they claimed he may have been drunk.  They tracked him for
nearly half a mile to the home of two elderly women with whom
he was having coffee - though the women say they didn't know
who he was.  He had just dropped in.
  "Officials say the suspect was fairly easy to track because
of the hoofprints of his trusty steed.  There were also 
identifiable marks left in the snow where the cowboy had 
fallen off his horse - five times."
  The man told the arresting deputies that he hadn't been
peeping at the woman, only "looking for stray cows."

  Phuc Q. Tang, a twenty-four-year-old man from Nashville,
Tennessee, was admitted to the hospital after drilling two
holes in his head.  *Nashville Banner*

  According to the Newark, New Jersey, *Star-Ledger*, a
waterbed was moved out of the bedroom used by Pope John
Paul II during a stopover in Miami last year, and a regular
bed was substituted.  "The pope's advance man, the Reverend
Roberto Tucci, had recommended that arrangement when he
visited Archbishop Edward A. McCarthy's five-bedroom,
split-level residence prior to the trip.
  "'They didn't want the pope to get seasick,' said 
McCarthy."

  Security officials at the Metropolitan Topeka Airport
Authority in Kansas shot and killed two dogs that were mating
near an airport runway soon to be used by President Reagan's
jet.  According to airport spokesman Marvin Hancock, security
officers acting on orders from the Secret Service "first beat
the dogs with heavy welding gloves to separate them, and when
that didn't work, shot them."
  Hancock said the dogs were shot because they "might have
run onto the pavement and interfered with the president's
jet."  *St. Petersburg Times*

Message: 55175
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 03:14:28

Christian used to log on the ARK BBS as a Christian.  I guess she changed
her mind.

Message: 55176
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Peter/pound
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:17:20

We discussed that very thing at our last meeting re: pound siezures. It
seems it's a well know fact but nothing so far has been proved. That is one
of the things we plan to find out for sure.
Paul was right about the difference between the Humane Society and the
county Pound and it was my mistake - I did say Humane Society and meant the
pound. Sorry.
Our first project will be getting cockfighting banned in Arizona. Other
animal groups are trying also. We are only one of four states that it's
legal in and the ironic thing about this is - it is illegal to have a
rooster in Maricopa county - yet they can have cockfights! See you =+= ANN
=+=

Message: 55177
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/sticker
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:19:23

Loved that bumper sticker you saw. If people don't feel that way - they sure
as heck should. Politicians are the enemies of the people. However .....

                  * VOTE LIBERTARIAN *

Message: 55178
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Answer!
Subject: Wallace/color
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 11:06:54

   Whatever color they used, it sure wasn't black.  Lily white, maybe.  They
didn't have all the fancy computer graphics back then, plus more people had
b&w TVs, so it wouldn't have mattered as much then.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 55179
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Prop. guide
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 11:18:52

Here's how I'm voting on the propositions:
 
100 - Allow State Treasurer to serve more than two consecutive terms.
  No.
 
101 - Drop requirement of using "fair value" for evaluating utility rate
changes.
  No.
 
102 - Change Commision on Judicial conduct.
  Yes.
 
103 - Remove "male" from AZ constitution as a requirement for holding
office.
  Yes.
 
104 - Allow cities to incur extra voter-apporved debts.
  No.
 
105 - Require majority vote for election of top state officers.
  Yes.

106 - Official English
  No.
 
300 - Raise legislators' salaries from $15,000 to $25,000.
  Yes.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 55181
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: APRO POET/PHUC
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 12:20:38

        Apro, you crack me up!  Thanks for the funnies.  And for the serious
stuff you post, too.  (The serious stuff is usually full of prunes, but
interesting to read nonetheless!)

Message: 55182
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: 55171
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 12:31:54

I think of stereotypical conservatism as having a foundation in Edmund Burke
(liberty for its own sake is not particularly valuable; authority of
government, family, social communities important; Judeo-Christian
formulation of morality).  On the other hand, libertarianism has its
foundation in Locke and Mill, values liberty as an end rather than just as a
means, does not value authority, does not base its morality on the
Judeo-Christian tradition.
   Given this formulation, the two appear to be irreconcilable and the
latter not a subset of the former.
   On the other hand, the existence of such groups as the Libertarian
Republican Organizing Committee tends to support your view.  I think that
within libertarianism there is a large segment which could accurately be
described as "conservative" (such as the LROC, Reason Foundation, etc.) but
another segment which cannot accurately be so described (the utilitarian
libertarians, many of the anarchists).

Message: 55184
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Unions
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 13:53:55

        I myself do not like todays Unions....  I think some of them need
busting.  Some are controlled by the MOB...  And some have so much power,
they can stop this Country dead in its tracks.  For that, I stand with
President Reagan!
        Unions in the years long past, did do things good for workers
rights.

*=* Vote REPUBLICAN *=*   Keep America Strong.....

*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*

Message: 55185
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/Ark/Christian
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:08:58

        No, she was just trying to crash it.

Message: 55186
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Sticker
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:10:44

        Next to the bumper sticker was another one that said, "Ron Paul for
President".  Just thought you'd like to know.

Message: 55187
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Politics
Subject: Libertarians
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:13:59

        The Libertarian Party gives the intellectuals hope, however being a
minority takes much of that hope away, for the present.

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Message: 456
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Fart Ralphy
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 05:36:40

Listen baby - I can get my computer to do more than you can get your
computer to do! I challenge you to an art contest - using a mouse - printing
it out to perfection! Also - the picture will be animated! The stakes? A
pound of fudge! Are you game honey? 
Today we are going to Sedona and will probably bring home a boat. We havn't
seen it yet but it sounds like just what we want. Fun times ahead! 
=+= ANNIE THE FANNY =+=
P.S. Do you like to fish? - water ski? - Cruise the lake?

Message: 457
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: FISH?
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:15:01

        I thought we weren't talking 'bout that.

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Blehm, Ralph
Burkhart, David
Carls, Steven
Carter, Mike
Hamilton, Alan
Hawley, James
Ianuzzi, Nick
Innajug, Jeannie
McCarron, Dean
Oudin, Ann
Poet, Apro
Sibel, Traci
Stone, Kobble
Taranto, James
Westfall, Daryl
Williams, Rod
Woodruff, Zak

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Bass, Steve
Bias, Rod
Blehm, Ralph
Burkett, Bill
Burkhart, David
Carls, Steven
Carter, Mike
Cervelli, Peter
Dog, Beauregard
Flash, Jack
Graham, Carol
Hamilton, Alan
Hawley, James
Henry, John
Howerton, Mike
Ianuzzi, Nick
Innajug, Jeannie
James, Michael
Jones, Gary
Lippard, Jim
McNeill, Mike
McSpadden, Gary
Neal, Chris
Oudin, Ann
Poet, Apro
Pulley, Lloyd
Stoddard, Pat
Stone, Kobble
Taranto, James
Westfall, Daryl
White, James
Williams, Rod
Wood, Jerry
Woodruff, Zak

Mail to Dean Hathaway
Date: 11/05/88  Time: 14:17:54

[A]bort, [R]ead or [S]kip:Read

Would the following message be in poor taste?

      I understand now.  Dean hauls cotton to New Jersey each week
and returns with pig iron.  If he can squeeze a few more pounds of
either material onto his truck and avoid some of the scales along the
way, he can make more green paper money.  Too bad for the roads though
but capitalism is capitalism, right?
      JT works for an ultraconservative organization and he tries to
convince others of (their) views.  If he can squeeze a few more right
winged ideas into his messages he gets more money.  Too bad for the
people who believe his nonsense though but capitalism is capitalism,
right?  JT's superiors are watching him and the more he clings to
their ideas, replacing his, the faster he will be promoted.
      Unfortunately, this situation exists in most market places where
there are young eager employees who need to please their bosses for
self gain.  Perhaps JT should become his own man like Hemmingway and
others.  The talent is certainally there.
                                Rod