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Message: 4639
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 19:56:14
Alan is right, and not only that, Baby Boom Dan didn't know this! "I wasn't
on that committee!" he answered, when asked if he headed up the anti-drug
forces.
Message: 4640
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: BEHOLD! .....
Subject: J.T.
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 09:18:47
Thank you J.T. for your support of Apollo and the help with the
Phone Fund.... You have contributed to Apollo in many ways over many years,
and I the "Mighty SYSOP" appreciate it!
And you guys all thought J.T. was bad.... Ha! He's got heart!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 4641
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last/J.T.
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 14:48:22
How much did that last plug cost you anyways?
HEHEHEHEHE
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Message: 4642
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 16:49:57
Aw, shucks.
Message: 4643
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 17:04:09
What a geek.
Message: 4644
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT contribution
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 19:23:35
I hear the Heritage Foundation pays well.
Message: 4645
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff on JT
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 05:56:23
JT's got a heart? Where? Ha - only joking. That was nice of him. He's not
all bad! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 4646
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Writers Cramp
Subject: Political bet
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 12:11:56
I lost a political bet to a member of this BBS. I plan to pay my bet, but I
also pledge an equal amount to the Apollo phone fund.
/signed/
Gary Jones
Message: 4647
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: I won $20
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 19:18:55
*But I also lost $10./
Message: 4648
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Last...
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 00:20:49
What did you lose $10.00 on? You seemed to have it pretty vell
pegged...
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 4649
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 17:23:49
Two weeks before the election, my friend Brad and I bet on the margin of
Bush's victory. I said 12.7 percent, he said 11.3, and the actual margin
was roughly 8 (without counting minor parties). But I also had a
straight-up $20 bet on Bush with a girl in California, so I come out ahead.
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Message: 1145
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Question?
Subject: Gary
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 12:19:52
What kind of dog do you have?
_________ _ _
/ / /
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Message: 1146
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Answer!
Subject: Todd/dog
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 15:15:40
Toddd (extra d included by way of apology for mispelling your name last
time)
Don't got no dog. Grandkid wants one. spends 90% of conversation noting
dogs wherever seen. Daughter says no mutt 'til grandkid learns to take care
of fish, lizard, ant farm, etc already owned. Grampa ain't getting into
this one!
Bye!
Message: 1147
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Gary/last
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 06:18:04
Ha! Sounds like grandpa is already in the middle of that one! Get the kid a
dog for lord's sake! Every kid and everyone needs a dog be it mutt or breed!
Make a great Christmas presant eh? Go to the pound or Humane Society. Save a
little life! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 1148
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 07:08:52
Every boy needs a dog to be a buddy when he is a lone.
=)) OLD FART RALPH ((=
Message: 1149
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: dogs
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 07:31:54
My father used to be a greyhound dog trainer for the races. I grew up
around many greyhounds. They make great pets.
I can fully attest to the fact that there is no better pet for a young boy
than a faithful dog.
Message: 1150
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Doggies
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 06:00:11
Adopt a dog and or cat at the local pound or Humane Society and save a
little life and gain a true friend! And after you do that, you can then join
my new organization - the A.A.R.C. which stands for the Arizona Animal
Rights Coalition and stop cockfighting in Arizona and other animal abuses!
Just thought I'd throw that commercial in. =+= ANN =+=
Message: 1151
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Question?
Subject: Ann
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 11:50:40
Is the AARC doing anything about Cat Juggling?
Message: 1152
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: pets
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 21:38:04
I can truly attest that Great Sulphur Crested Cockatoos make great pets for
young kids.
Message: 1154
Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Todd/last
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 07:17:40
Hey........Toddy........
Wasn't there a movie called "The Man Who loved Cat Juggling?"
See Y'aa..........
Jeannie
Message: 1155
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Todd/cats
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 08:01:16
I've heard of such a thing and have seen it on TV - but I do not think it's
a major issue in Arizona. Personally I prefer 'Juggling Frogs'! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 1156
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike/bird
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 08:01:57
Do you have one? =+= ANN =+=
Message: 1157
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Juggling
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 20:03:56
Personally, I juggle bank accounts .......
Message: 1158
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Question?
Subject: 'nother question Ann
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 23:25:03
Has the AARC taken a stand on Penguin Lust?
Message: 1159
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Birds
Date: 11/11/88 Time: 00:00:14
From 13 years of age till 17 I had two of them.
At the same time I raised a coop of 26 pidgeons, 2 parakeets (budgeriegards
is Aussie talk) and one wedge-tailed eagle. (Aussie species).
-Mike
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Message: 2269
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 16:18:20
How did the earth's standing still affect gravity?
Message: 2270
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 05:54:49
The Earth's motion has little to do with gravity. The effective gravity
at the equator is slightly less than at the poles due to the Earth's
rotation, but this is very minor.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 2272
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 08:53:39
Are you related to Tom Steward?
Message: 2273
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Beyond...
Subject: The Disney channel..
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 15:18:07
Thanks for suggestions. I personally have never rented anything except old
John Wayne movies, so had no idea where to look! I'll try Mr. Movie first.
Message: 2274
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Tom Steward
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 22:39:10
Is alive and well.
Message: 2275
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 03:26:52
Is he mad about the fuse that he never got back?
Message: 2276
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Steward's wisdom
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 03:28:53
"It's those bumps. That's what's setting off your radar detector..."
Tom Steward
1983
Message: 2277
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Gary
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 06:21:32
You like John Wayne Movies? I have 102 of them from way back to 1932 to his
last - the Shootist! I lend them out if your interested! They are not my
choice of movies - loving blood and gore like I do - I taped them for my
husband. I also have lots of horror stuff too! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 2278
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Chris
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 06:27:40
Taped a GREAT movie the other night - timed taped it so we could watch it
later. It's called the 'Untouchables' with Sean Connery. We were really into
it and it was just about over and the tape run out. I goofed! Dusted the VCR
and acidently switched from super long play to long play and there wasn't
enough room on the tape as I had another movie on it. (Robocop) I could have
shot myself for such a goof. The movie is on three more times this week and
I will try to catch the ending and I certainly recommend it for you to watch
if you havn't already! Connery won the best supporting Oscar for it and he
deserved it! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 2279
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 07:33:50
That's against the law. Two days in the Phantom zone for you, you criminal.
Message: 2280
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann/Untouchables
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 14:50:36
No, I haven't seen it yet but I am sure interested... When is it on?
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Message: 2281
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Tom Stewart
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 16:50:53
"That's a false 'B.'"
--Tom Stewart, August 13, 1983
Message: 2282
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Toaddy
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 06:04:59
How do you figure that's against the law when the stations advertise late
night taping? And besides - even if it is - tough! I pay for the tapes - I
pay for the VCR and I pay $51.50 per month for cable TV. I do not make a
profit so there for I am not a criminal! I also do not pirate software!
Right Toddy? Hahahahahahaha. =+= Annie the AssP =+=
Message: 2283
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Chris/movie
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 06:06:10
I'd have to look in the TV guide - but I think it's on three times this week
- late! Don't miss it! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 2284
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Bush's cabinet
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 09:13:15
It has been said in the press that Bush will select his friends and advisers
that helped him this far to be in his cabinet. If this is so, will Willie
Horton be Attorney General?
Later... Pat
Message: 2285
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Jokes & Ha Ha's
Subject: Another one for Duke
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 09:14:39
What do Michael Dukakis and New England Patriots' quarterback Doug Flutie
have in common?
They are now both number 2!
Later... Pat
Message: 2286
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Answer !
Subject: John Wayne movies
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 12:18:44
Ann, I've probably seen most of the John Wayne movies but I hate
commercials. That's why I rent 'em instead of taping them.
Message: 2287
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer !
Subject: Tom Stewards fuse
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 21:39:12
I doubt it. He's too busy playing Navy right now.
Message: 2288
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Thang!
Subject: Tom Steward
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 21:40:25
He did it.
Message: 2289
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Gary/Wayne
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 08:10:41
Almost all of mine are commercial free because I edit them while taping. The
ones I time tape in the middle of the night are not however. There are only
about 10 Wayne movies that can be rented and they have been shown on TV so
much. I'd like to know where some of his good ones are - like The High and
Nighty for instance? I have a book that lists 150 of his movies - I have 103
- that leaves 47 unaccounted for and some of those were in the 60s and 70s!
There is a movie that he plays a hockey player and one he plays a dead body
in - I'd give my eye teeth for either! He started in the movies in 1927 and
never once in all those years until he died did he miss not making at least
one movie a year! Several of those years he made up to six movies too. Just
a little John Wayne trivia here. =+= ANN =+=
Message: 2290
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer !
Subject: JT/Gravity
Date: 11/11/88 Time: 00:53:27
You don't know what gravity really is. I have a good theory on the
subject but you'd just laugh and call me an idiot. So fuck off.
Rod
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Message: 1575
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: yawn
Date: 10/29/88 Time: 01:33:14
When do I get to jump out of a perfectly good airplane? Sunday, if things go
well.
Message: 1576
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: A.M. Hours
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 01:02:21
So what is everone doing at 1, 2, or 3 in the morning? Sleeping like normal
people?
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Message: 1577
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Yawn...
Subject: Dean on House
Date: 11/11/88 Time: 00:04:20
Heh heh heh heh
Just wait until the novelty wears off and the grass begins to grow
malignantly.
heh heh he heh...
"So you want a house young man? Do you have life insurance?"
-Mike
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Message: 55207
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hathaway
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 15:49:44
Here is something interesting. The Times Mirror Corporation (owner of the
Los Angeles Times, among other papers) has been conducting surveys for the
last few years, in which they break the electorate down into 10 demographic
group: two basically Republican, four basically independent, four basically
Democratic. Their most recent sample asks for presidential preference and
break it down into these demographic group. (The total sample favors Bush
50-42 percent.) Here is how it breaks down:
GOP Groups:
Enterprisers (11% of total electorate): "Pro-business, anti-government,
worry about economic issues." Favor Bush, 96-2 percent.
Moralists (12% of electorate): "Pro-school prayer, anti-abortion, worry
about social issues." Favor Bush, 93-3 percent.
Independent Groups:
Upbeats (14% of electorate): "Young, optimistic, patriotic, pro-government,
pro-Reagan, worry about economic issues." Favor Bush, 83-12 percent.
Disaffecteds (11% of electorate): "Pessimistic, alienated, financially
pressured, worry about nation's current course." Favor Bush, 60-26 percent.
Followers (7% of electorate): "Young, politically apathetic, worry about
loss of jobs due to foreign competition." Favor Dukakis, 60-28 percent.
Seculars (7% of electorate): "Non-religious, non-militant, tolerant,
educated, worry about economy and Central America." Favor Dukakis, 61-33
percent.
Democratic Groups:
'60s Democrats (10% of electorate): "Religious, non-militant, tolerant,
educated, pro-government, worry about social justice issues." Favor
Dukakis, 84-10 percent.
New Dealers (10 percent of electorate): "Older, pro-government, pro-union,
socially conservative, worry about foreign competition." Favor Dukakis,
72-15 percent.
Partisan Poor (10 percent of electorate): "Militantly Democratic,
pro-social spending, worry about drug abuse, unemployment, social justice."
Favor Dukakis, 62-25 percent.
God and Country Democrats (8 percent of electorate): "Older, religious,
poor, patriotic, wory about drugs, crime, foreign competition." Favor
Dukakis, 62-25 percent.
Now, it seems to me there are two groups among these that would potentially
be receptive to the Libertarian Party: the Enterprisers and the Seculars.
Together, they account for 18 percent of the electorate, not enough to make
a major party. Moreover, neatly two thirds of the Libertarian Party's
support under such a scenario would have to come from the GOP's core
support, and if the Libertarian Party were able to win their allegiance, the
Republican Party would be left with a core that constitutes less than an
eighth of the electorate. Moreover, we would have to hope that the Seculars
are either pro-free market or at least apathetic toward economic issues, and
likewise, we'd have to hope that the Enterprisers are either social
libertarians or not hostile to a radically libertarian view on social
issues. On top of that. we would have to hope that the Enterprisers are
either foreign-policy isolationists or relatively unconcerned with foreign
affairs. In short, it would be a very uneasy alliance.
The Republican Party's success in recent years has come because its core
constituencies, the Enterprisers and the Moralists, are able to get along.
The Enterprisers don't care all that much about social issues, and the
Moralists are pro-free market enough. Both, I suspect, support the
Republican Party's hard-line foreign policy.
The Democratic Party's lack of success in national politics has come because
of the direct conflicts among its core constituencies. The God and Country
Democrats cannot abide the '60s Democrats any more than anyone else can.
The Democrats' core groups, then, are unable to unite behind a national
candidate, but, because the groups tend to be distributed unevenly by
region, state and local candidates can do quite well.
Your hypothesis about a rise to power of the Libertarian Party out of the
ashes of the Democrats is silly. First, it would require a split in the
Republican Party which would leave it in the hands of Moralists, and
probably turn it into a fringe party. Secondly, it takes no account of the
38% of the electorate that makes up the Democratic core groups.
Of course, you might simply reject Times-Mirror's methodology, but so far
you haven't offered any data to support your conclusions. I remain
unconvinced that your analysis is anything more than wishful thinking.
(NOTE: The survey data I cited can be found in an advertisement on today's
New York Times op-ed page.)
Message: 55211
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last few
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 16:31:28
It seems to me that the Disaffecteds would also be potentially receptive to
the Libertarian Party, bringing the total to 29% of the electorate.
Message: 55212
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 18:40:06
Well, the Disaffecteds are rather vaguely defined, but it seems to me Rod
Williams and, to a lesser extent, Ann Oudin would be good examples of this
category. Rod, of course, has become an "advocate" of the Libertarian
Party, but before that he was an "advocate" of Lenora Fulani, another
minor-party candidate who supports such things as socialized medicine and
nationalizing the press. The Disaffecteds might be drawn to minor parties
because they are alienated from the major parties, but I don't think they
could ever be considered a reliable part of any political coalition.
Message: 55213
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: This weekend
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 19:53:28
I met Paul Krassner and Paul MacCready.
I met a guy who was amazed to find out that I was really a Libertarian
(including isolationist policies, free borders - he said that most Ls that
he meets are conservatives who are civil libertarians)
Message: 55214
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Question?
Subject: Last
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 20:18:23
Paul who?
Message: 55215
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Vote
Subject: Anyone..
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 21:13:32
Want to post a [V]ote about the election? Here we are just a few
days before and I think I have all whom I am going to vote for picked out.
No, it is not a strait ticket... I have never voted a strait ticket...
I have even Voted for Democrats... and this time there are even a few
Libertarians (2) that I am considering... One for sure. And...one Democrat
that could turn into two as well by Tuesday. But for President... I am
going to Vote for Bush!
Note: I have been talking to many people that are for Bush, but do
not plan on voting because they think he is going to win by a landslide.
Every one I know who wants The Democrats in are planning to VOTE!
I don't like the sound of that...so you Voters out there, get out and do
your duty... If ya don't vote, ya don't have the right to Bitch!
Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote! Vote!
Back to posting a [V]ote... Anyone? Just upload it to me in mail! I don't
wish to be accused of twisting words... so I post them as worded by the
sender!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=* *=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55216
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: For sale
Subject: Stamp Collection
Date: 11/06/88 Time: 23:39:57
Any Stamp collectors out there....
I have a US collection of Stamps and a United Nations collection that I wish
to sell... Plate Blocks, Sheets, singles.... etc....
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=* 843-3346
Message: 55218
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: The comics
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 08:12:51
Berke Breathed does it again! Last week he refered to Bush & Dukakis as 'The
Shrimp and the Wimp' - this week he refered to Bentson and Qualye as 'The
Codger and the Dodger'! He hit it right on the nail head there! All you
voters are going to put your X after these well discribed politicians.
WHY????
Be different! * VOTE LIBERTARIAN * Show the parties you want nothing to do
with their fare - no Shrimpy, Whimpy, old Codgers and Dodgers! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 55219
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Last...Ann
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 09:59:13
I joined the Navy to stay out of the jungles of Vietnam... Does thak
make me a "Dodger" too? If you think that, I will be very offended.
I think there is nothing wrong with joining the National Gaurd, and there
were thousands of men that join other branches of service... and you have
insulted every one of them.
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55220
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Politics
Subject: Election
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 15:23:03
Note to all:
Please vote tomorrow, and please don't throw your vote away. Regardless of
whom you hate the most or least, remember that one of those two candidates
is going to pick the next three Supreme Court judges. Wimp or Shrimp, one
of 'em is gonna do it, so help by throwing your vote in the same direction
you lean politically.
Message: 55221
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Liar
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 16:32:53
Re: "all men and women are liars"
That is an interesting observation Rod; we could probably extend that on to
a number of other "no no's" as well.
Message: 55222
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: Working Women
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 17:29:17
From Az. Republic:
Working women help U.S. families retain buying power, study
indicates
WASHIGTON - An increase in the number of women working
outside the home has allowed most American families to retain
the buying power they had 10 years ago, according to a study
released Saturday.
Forty percent of familes, however, had not kept pace with
the increasing cost of living over the past decade, said the
study by the Economic Policy Institute.
The head of the liberal think tank said the report shows
average American families have been under greater economic
pressure during the past decade than at any time since World
War II.
The institute, established in 1986 by prominent liberal
economists, describes itself as a non-partisan, non-profit
group. It has opposed the conservative economic policies of
the Reagan administration.
The report says salaries for most women have increased
faster than inflation, while salaries for all but the richest
American men have not kept up.
Economists Stephen Rose of Seattle and David Fasenfest of
Louisville, Ky., who wrote the report, said they used
statistical methods that take into account family size. They
also used the most conservative cost-of-living figures to
overcome objections to previous studies that also showed
widening inequality and slow income growth.
Some conservative economists have argued that Americans are
doing better because families are smaller even if family
incomes have not kept up with inflation.
Message: 55224
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: "Free" Market
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 17:41:54
From Az. Republic:
Antitrust laws unenforced, consumer group says
WASHINGTON - Consumer advocates charged Saturday that the
Federal Trade Commission has failed to enforce antitrust laws
under President Reagan giving business too much of a free
hand in mergers that are unhealthful for consumers and the
economy.
Public Citizen, a consumer- and environmental-interest
group founded by Ralph Nader, said in a new study that the
United States is going through an unprecedented wave of
corporate mergers and acquisitions.
Joan Claybrook, president of Public Citizen, said former
FTC Chairman James Miller and current Chairman Daniel Oliver
"are the James Watt and Anne Burford (Gorsuch) of antitrust."
In the early years of the Reagan administration,
environmental activists scorned Watt, former interior
secretary, and Gorsuch, former head of the Environmental
Protection Agency, for actions the activists felt were more
harmful than helpful.
The study called for reforms that would require merging
firms to file an economic-impact statement with the FTC.
Public Citizen also called on the FTC to inform Congress of
its reasons when it decides not to intervene in mergers of
big companies.
The study said the 10 largest mergers in U.S. history took
place during the Reagan administration.
The report also said the FTC has brought only 13 cases
against mergers during seven years of the Reagan
administration, compared with 22 cases in the four years of
the Carter administration.
Message: 55226
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Politics
Subject: Gary Jones
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 18:28:33
Vote how you feel you should vote. Only a write-in vote for a unofficial
write-in (in Arizona, anyway) is a 'thrown-away' vote. If you don't
like Bush or Dukakis, and can find things you like with Ron Paul or Ms.
Fulani, by all means vote for them. If you want to support the fight that
George McGovern is behind, by all means make sure you do the write-in for
that correctly.
Remember, voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.
Message: 55227
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dukakis
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 19:41:58
Michael Dukakis has had a hoarse voice for the past few days. Today he saw
a doctor who diagnosed his problem: he is infected with a computer virus.
Message: 55228
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: War!
Subject: Savage
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 22:29:20
Ahhhhhh Shut-up you old fart.
Message: 55229
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Vote
Subject: old...
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 22:52:16
Mail from Bill Burkett
Date: 10/31/88 Time: 08:50:59
Cliff, here's the [V]ote I said I'd post for you. Use it if you like:
For which candidate for U.S. Senate do you plan to vote?
[A] Dennis DeConcini, Democrat
[B] Keith DeGreen, Republican
[C] Ed Finklestein, New Alliance Party
[D] Rick Thompkins, Libertarian
Poll results to date:
[A] 7 [B] 10 [C] 2 [D] 10
I had [V]oted for the Libertarian, but since the Race has heated up between
DeConcini and DeGreen, I am going to [V]ote for DeGreen now. It is time to
get DeConcini out of there.... and DeGreen is the ONLY chance. I beg you
guys not to waste a [V]ote on the Libertarian in this case.... even if you
are still going to Vote for Paul. Sandy is also changing her Vote to
DeGreen.
So subtract two from [D] and add them to [B] (12 to 8)
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55230
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ANN
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 00:55:24
From what I had heard, it is practiced by both - but I will recheck my
sources on that one, as Paul's explanation sounds more plausible.
Message: 55231
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Politics
Subject: DeGreen
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 05:22:51
Keith DeGreen, the lifelong Democrat turned Republican when it became
"convenient" to do so for personal ambition, the man who couldn't care
enough to vote in Arizona for the past three general elections, has run a
"below the belt" campaign, full of distortions, false innuendoes and
outright lies.
Senator DeConcini has disproved those lies by taking some of them to the
Drpartment of Justice, who found absolutely no improprieties with either of
his family's land deals. The DeGreen commercial purporting to quote
DeConcini as saying he wasn't listening to the people back home was a remark
taken totally out of context many years ago (listen to the voice! A much
younger DeConcini!), when the then aspiring senator was pointing out, I
think, Carl Hayden's record run in the office.
I have had three different occassions to use Senator Deconcini's office to
deal with personal problems with various beaurocrats, and found him to be a
very caring, very interested man, who was indeed sensitive to the issues
that involve us back home, and who never failed to act in a timely and
positive manner on a request. I didn't always get the result I hoped for,
but I always got the satisfaction of knowing that my Senator and his staff
did their best on my behalf.
Since my family (wife and stepson) were aware of the action at those times,
you can count 3 votes for Senator, and STILL Senator aftere today, Dennis
DeConcini.
Message: 55232
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: Cliff - you got ...
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 06:14:25
.. me wrong! I was only quoting Berke Breathed and thought that was
halarious! Regarding the word 'Dodger' - I have nothing against anyone
trying to get out of - away from the Viet Nam war! Opps - pardon me, I meant
Police action! If my son had been elgeble at the time, I would have paid for
his trip to Cananda! I hate war - PERIOD - that one most of all! It was
senseless and needless! YEt if we had another like World War II- I'd
volenteer! There was a big difference! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 55233
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Dennis D....
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 09:33:51
I am not upset he made lots of money from that land deal... even if
he broke no laws, it did sound a little shady. I am not even upset that he
wanted to send 7 million to his son's dance school.... I could care less
about his voting record in the state of Arizona... As I recall it is not a
crime not to Vote... I know many good people that do not Vote every
election. DeConcini even seems like a nice guy to me.... But politicaly I
do not agree with him and he has been in too long... Power corrupts.
Vote for Keith DeGreen......
For County Assessor vote for Ira Friedman... I am against Milt
Novkov for the same reasons that I am against DeConcini... Novkov was also
cleared of wrong doing... but it sounded shady to me regardless.
Keith DeGreen [Yes]
Ira Friedman [YES]
But no matter whom you plan to Vote for...get out and [VOTE]!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55234
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Last
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 09:58:20
No, it's not a crime not to vote, but you just got through saying how
you were suspicious of people involved in shady dealings, even if there was
no crime committed. Not voting, especialy if you claim to be politicaly
involved, is shady.
As far as the presidential race goes, any vote for someone besides Bush
might be considered "thrown away." Bush will carry Arizona. Period. No one
has ever suggested that he wouldn't carry this state, even in a close race.
But the real reason to get out and vote are the local candidates and the
propositions. I voted around 8 this morning.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 55235
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: DeGreen
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 11:46:33
Just got back from the polls...
Aunt Edith, Aunt Dotty, Uncle Walter, Brother Bob and his wife Sandy, Sandy
SYSOP and myself... for DeGreen... 7 Votes! He may not get it, but we
tried!
Needless to say... we all Voted for BUSH! and we feel GOOD about it.
Have you Voted today? (at the Real election, not my little poll)
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55236
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 12:57:56
I think I oppose antitrust laws, but I want to research the time they were
enacted to see if they were really necessary.
Message: 55237
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Vote
Subject: [V]oting
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 14:54:33
It looks like by the [V]ote on this system Bush is in the lead by 5 to 2 out
of 7 total voters..... (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA)
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Message: 55238
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Savage
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 16:48:32
Obviously DeConcini will still be a senator after today; his term doesn't
end until Jan. 3. The question is, will he still be a senator then?
Message: 55239
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bush
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 16:49:25
Well, Bush has been declared the winner in Indiana and Kentucky, so he's
seven ninetieths of the way to victory.
Message: 55240
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: IBM
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 18:05:03
IBMers and EX-IBMers
I am an ex-IBMer who is now a political advocate of privacy
laws. Seeking individuals who have witnessed or experienced
some of the unusual things that occur in IBM. Most
interested in the company's force-out techniques and
"Mental leaves-of-absence." Please summarize the information
or personal experience on one or two pages and mail to:
c/o P.O. Box 671554
Marietta, GA 30067-0026
Your confidentiality is assured. Please leave me with some
method of contacting you.
Ad Placed By Terry Conway
More from Az. Republic:
Brewer's fliers fight communist tag
In an attempt to combat early-morning telephone calls that
she says are sabotaging her campaign, state Sen. Jan Brewer,
R-Glendale, passed out 8,000 fliers Saturday in Sun City to
counter claims she is a communist.
The calls, which have been made recently from midnight to
6 a.m., ask people to vote for "Comrade Jan Brewer on
Election Day so we can fly the communist flag in District
19."
Brewer's fliers say the callers are from the Arizona
Communist Party, but Terry Choate Jr. claims he made them.
Choate is still upset with her for her opposition to his
plan to build a memorial to the anti-war movement of the
1960s in the far west Valley. The monument would have flown
the North Vietnamese flag over it.
"Just helping her with her campaign," Choate said, adding,
"Back in 1986, she helped me with my peace park. She was so
helpful that we couldn't build it."
Earlier in the campaign, Choate posted fliers calling
Brewer "our own dear Comrade Janbo."
Brewer said reaction to the calls has been unfavorable.
"When you have 60 people call a day and say they are not
going to vote for you, that's a good percentage," Brewer
said.
Her fliers say the phone calls are a "slanderous attempt to
confuse voters."
She said that the fliers seem to be helping. Some
constituents called it a "horrible, horrible incident, and
they knew it couldn't have been me," Brewer said.
Her opponent, Democrat Carol Griffin, was unavailable for
comment Saturday.
Message: 55243
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Vote
Subject: Bush in '88
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 18:24:33
Well it is 227 for Bush and a wompin stompin 16 for Dutaxus!!!!
What a close race!
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Message: 55244
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 19:22:28
I voted for DeGreen too, as well as everyone else in my family. At this
time, I don't think DeGreen will win, but it was sure fun to see DeConcini
sweat it out. Maybe he'll think a little harder about representing the
State of Arizona instead of his daughters on the next important Senate vote.
Message: 55245
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Vote
Subject: BUSH
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 20:04:57
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
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BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
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BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH BUSH
Message: 55246
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Vote
Subject: Last...
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 20:11:23
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Message: 55247
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 22:13:45
Gee, what an intelligent and informative message. Didn't your momma tell you
that if you didn't stop Bushterbating, you'd go blind?
Message: 55248
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Election Results
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 22:15:10
Sieg heil. Bush uber alles. Jawohl.
Message: 55249
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: This Whole Fiasco
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 22:20:36
Another four years of Republican leadership.
Message: 55250
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: News Today
Subject: Bush...Daryl/Chris
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 22:38:25
Comeone Daryl, I thought it was a cute elephant... don't be a sore
loser... Now let's all work together and get this country moving forward.
Even all you (few) Libertarians that pulled less than 1% by throwing
away your vote, (you gave no one a message) Get back on board and lets go
to work making a better place to live.
Boy, I am glad that is over.... what a fight!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=**=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55251
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Daryl/again
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 22:42:41
If you wish to go into business yourself like you have said... you
had better be happy it was a Republican victory. Or do you like the
Government running your life and business?
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55252
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Vote
Subject: DeConcini
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 22:58:49
It is too bad that he got back in!
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Message: 55253
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: Cliff/last
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 05:52:57
How do you figure that the government HASN'T been running our life and
business these last 8 years? If it isn't the big Washington government, it's
the local one that hamstrings us at every turn - the man in business for
himself gets stuck the worst everytime! I said it six months ago and I'll
say it again - politicians are NOT the friend of the people!!
Now that Bush is in (no surprise here) - we can only hope that we indeed
voted for the lessor of two evils. It was a dirty campaign and I for one am
glad it's over - it wasn't pleasent to watch and hear! Maybe - just maybe
Bush will at least be a fair president. But above and beyond the candidates,
I abhored the press most of all! Their egos are tremendous and I believe the
reason this campaign was so dirty was mainly because of them. They
instigated most of it and kept it going. Peter Jennings is a smug egotist
that thinks he knows everything and his word is sacred. David Brinkley? What
is that cadaver still doing reporting the news anyway? There is not a
simular woman reporting the news - they don't have women on TV that has that
many wrinkles and that old. I resent that! The oldest one is Barbara Walters
and she's had so many face lifts to keep her wrinkle free. At the debates,
all the reporters were rude to the candidates and searched for dirt reather
than the issues. The press swayed the voters more than the candidates by
far. Politics used to be fun - not now.
Did anyone find out what the Libertarian candidate did? I did not hear one
thing mentioned and have not read the paper yet. I watched ABC! =+= ANN =+=
Message: 55254
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Chris on BUSH BUSH
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 06:52:22
THat message alone was justification for a 1200 baud modem! EGADS!!!
Message: 55255
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Politics
Subject: requiem/election
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 07:02:15
Well, it's all over but the shouting or the wailing, depending on which side
you were on.
Actually, I don't feel all that uncomfortable with Bush as president, but am
glad that a Democratic controled congress will provide a balance to the
executive branch.
I just hope and pray that they will learn early on to work together for the
good of all Americans.
On the local scene, the thing that I find most disturbing is the indication,
(at 11 last night) that Wayne Stump was winning in Dist. 16. I just can't
believe that there are still that many die-hard Mechamites who still have
their blinders on in this neighborhood. THis guy is a total joke, and I just
wish that I could wish him well in his return to private life. Oh well.
Out to get a paper to see the finals.
Message: 55256
Author: $ Jeannie Innajug
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Chris
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 07:10:47
Hey........Chrissy.......
In all due respect............If your two posts are any indication, you'd be
better off going into art as a full time job, than politics. I think....
See Y'aa.......
Jeannie
Message: 55257
Author: $ Todd Reese
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dan Rather
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 11:48:59
Just as President-Elect Bush was about to give his acceptance speech, Dan
Rather commented on the fact that Bush was now wearing glasses instead of
the usual contact lens that he had been campaigning with.
Thank you, Dan, for that most informative and insightful comment.
Message: 55258
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ANN/POUND SEIZURES
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 12:36:35
After rechecking my info, I found you're absolutely correct. Not that
it makes things any better.
I also learned that a big customer of pound animals is the University
of Arizona. So much for "higher education", eh?
Message: 55259
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Sex & Love
Subject: Spelling:
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 13:19:54
I think she's great, I think she's neat, I wouldn't swap her for all the tea
in China, (and I know my spelling isn't that great either), but:
What scatter-brained blond Corvette driver left the following spelling gems
on this BBS over the past 7 days?
abhored pleasent
acidently Preditor
Cananda quarenteen
deffinately reather
elgeble redily
fabulas sculker
halarious sellection
havn't siezures
honerable simular
nieve thoughly
Opps volenteer
Message: 55260
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: election results
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 16:24:53
How some Libertarians did in Arizona:
President:
George Bush 675,217 60.1%
Michael Dukakis 434,578 38.7
Ron Paul (Lib) 12,594 1.1
Lenora Fulani 1,583 .1
U.S. Senator:
Dennis DeConcini 629,179 56.3
Keith DeGreen 463,113 41.5 (wasted votes)
Rick Tompkins (Lib) 19,602 1.8
Ed Finkelstein 4,887 .4
U.S. Rep. District 4:
Jon Kyl 194,588 88.0
Gary Sprunk (Lib) 26,577 12.0
Rick Fowlkes, the Libertarian candidate for Corporation Commissioner, got
over 3%, but I don't have the exact numbers.
Does anyone have the totals for the national popular vote for president?
Message: 55261
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: America
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 16:28:17
So the guy who played "Cooter" on the show "The Dukes of Hazzard" is now a
U.S. Rep thanks to his opponent being indicted. What's his main issue of
concern going to be? Getting Boss Hogg out of power?
Message: 55262
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Last on Boss Hogg
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 16:56:06
Are you implying that anyone that played an "Auto Tweeker" on TV will
not make a good politician?
If all the Votes that went to DeGreen (that you called wasted) would
have gone to the Libertarian... it still would not have made a damn. The
Votes that were truly wasted were those for Ron Paul... He got less than
any other Libertarian running in this state... (percentage wise) 1.1 %
I am afraid that at 1.1%, no one and I mean NO ONE is going to get anysort
of message. Of course, if he did well in other states, I may eat them
words....
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55263
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: Trickle Up
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 18:06:10
U.S. givers face limits, expert says
Cannot fill gap left by federal cutbacks
By Carol Sowers, The Arizona Republic
American philanthropists, accustomed to promoting
generosity, must learn to say no, a national philanthropic
expert said Thursday.
James Joseph, president of the Council of American
Foundations in Washington, said philanthropists are suffering
from a "new unrealism" that assumes they can fill the gap
left by dwindling federal dollars for human services.
During a visit to Phoenix to help celebrate the 10th
anniversary of the charitable Arizona Community Foundation,
Joseph said in an interview that charities cannot fill the
chasm left by federal budget cuts for such things.
"It will behoove us to begin talking about our limits,"
said Joseph, who was an undersecretary of the Department of
Interior for then-President Carter. He said that in the
past, foundation grants were used to find cures for diseases
and "creative and innovative ways" to solve problems.
However, much of the $6.3 billion given by charitable
foundations last year was used to keep people alive rather
than discover why they are dying, he said:
"If we have to use foundation money to feed the homeless,
who is going to find the reason why they are homeless?"
Joseph asked.
"You could use all foundation money to treat AIDS victims,
but who is going to find the cure?"
Debate continues over how many of society's problems should
be shouldered by private foundations and how many of them
should be the responsibility of the federal government,
Joseph said.
One of the challenges facing directors of American
foundations seeking contributions is to create a "sense of
community" among corporations and other donors, he said.
Corporate donations leveled off to $4.5 billion in 1986 and
1987 but will increase if executives are convinced of the
need to improve their communities, Joseph said.
He disagreed with a 1987 observation by urban-affairs
expert Neal Peirce, who said Valley residents and
corporations are tightfisted and reluctant to donate money to
charities, social-service agencies and the arts.
"Phoenix is like any other young city," he said.
"Newcomers still bestow their benevolence on the cities they
came from.
"But I would be optimistic about the future. The next
layer of newcomers will feel a commitment to Phoenix."
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Category: Chit Chat
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Message: 55266
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Todd Reese
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 19:09:52
How are you related to Keith DeGreen, and who else in your family was
running for office? Did any of them win?
Message: 55267
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Neal's elephant
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 19:10:08
I thought it was Dukakis's tank.
Message: 55268
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 19:11:11
Will you please shut up?
Message: 55269
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Election
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 19:11:25
All hail! Bush/Quayle!
Message: 55270
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: News Digest
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 19:14:25
From the state-by-state election breakdown in today's New York Times:
MONTANA
Early projections indicated that Senator John Melcher, a Democrat, lost
his bid for a third term against Conrad Burns, a Republican. Mr. Burns, a
newcomer to politics, had little money and did not prove as adept a
campaigner as party officials had hoped. But as the campaign ended,
Republicans said Mr. Burns had closed in on the incumbent Democrat. That
was despite the Senator's renewed use of talking cows in his television
commercials.
Message: 55271
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 20:24:09
Talking cows can only help so much.
Message: 55272
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cooter
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 20:27:46
I have my doubts about "The Dukes of Hazzard" on a politician's resume.
The votes for DeGreen were wasted because DeGreen is an idiot.
As for Ron Paul, if he did better than 500,000 votes (which I believe he
did), then that's quite an improvement over the 200,000 or so votes that
David Bergland received in 1984.
I believe Bergland only received about 5,000 votes in Arizona.
Message: 55273
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Question?
Subject: last
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 21:35:42
Which leaves us with what point ?
Message: 55274
Author: Thomas Hart
Category: Joke
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 22:00:17
I was only kidding, of course. Your prompts are fine.
Message: 55275
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Mike on Jim...
Date: 11/09/88 Time: 23:09:45
I guess he is pointing out there were 200,000 people who voted for a
Loser in 1984...and we are waiting to see how many people wasted their Votes
in 1988 by voting for another loser...
I guess the People who did vote Libertarian sent me a message after
all... Not to pay attention to them next time around... Too radical to get
serious votes.
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55277
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Jim L...
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 00:28:24
It is so unlike you to post a low hitting post....
... DeGreen "Wasted Votes" DeGreen Idiot?
Pray tell, are you BITTER that the Libertarians did not do as well
as you had hoped?
I voted for Rick Fowlkes for "Corporation Commissioner"... Could you
see some one with his platform in that post... ha ha ha ha... It would have
driven them CRazzy!
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55278
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ex-actors
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 05:02:31
Don't we all know bu now that former actors make lousy politicians?
(smile Cliff)
Message: 55279
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: TODD/RATHER
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 06:43:37
That's something that irritated me throughout this entire campaign:
The way the press (for lack of a better term) has constantly made
irrelevant, yet slightly derogatory, comments about Bush. Rather's
comments, such as that about the contact lenses, can't be denied, or even
really argued with without seeming petty. Yet, these "little asides" add up
to create a generally unfavorable perspective.
It's like making snide, but not outright rude, remarks about "those
people down the street," or a not-so-favorite cousin. ("Oh, Evelyn. How
nice to see you. Have you started using dress shields?")
I doubt we would have ever heard Rather say "Well, I see Michael
Dukakis trimmed his eyebrow."
The constant reference to "negative" advertising is another example.
In the rest of the advertising world these are called "comparative" ads. I
wonder why, when applied to a political campaign, they're suddenly
"negative."
xxxooo
Message: 55280
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Gary - thanks but..
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 07:46:20
.. I am not a blond anymore! As for the spelling errors - I type fast and do
not edit much. But my points are made. Now - lets go on to your faults.
OOPS! Sorry - there isn't enough lines here to even get started - you 'man'
you!!!! =+= Annie the Corvette owner! =+=
Message: 55281
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT/bush
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 07:54:02
"All Hail! Bush/Quayle"? Sounds like a slogan from the Hitler regime!
And while your at it - why don't you shut up for a change?
Message: 55282
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Peter/pound
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 07:54:47
You said the U.A. uses pound animals? How can I prove that? =+= ANN =+=
Message: 55283
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Jim/Lib.
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 07:56:09
Where did you get that information in message # 55260? I scanned the paper
and could find nothing but a few senate races that mentioned Libertarians.
=+= ANN =+=
Message: 55284
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 07:56:31
But you voted for a loser too. =+= ANN =+=
Message: 55285
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Screen credits
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 08:33:11
I don't think having "The Dukes of Hazzard" on your resume is any worse
than having "Bedtime for Bonzo."
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 55286
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Losers
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 08:38:04
Aw, come on Cliff. As I said before, in Arizona, any vote for anyone
besides Bush was a "wasted" vote. No WAY was Arizona going to go for
Dukakis, even when he was 20% ahead of Bush in the polls nationaly. Given
that, those that didn't favor Bush might as well indulge themselves with a
protest vote.
I see Prop. 106 squeaked by. I wonder how those living in Table, Garlic,
and Walnut, Arizona (formerly Mesa, Ajo, and Nogales) are going to like it.
I also wonder how much it's going to cost to take down all those "Now
leaving Phoenix -- !Adios Amigos!" signs.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 55287
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Calif. Republicans
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 08:43:24
I saw on GEnie that the Republican party in California was providing
security for some of the polling places. That is, they had uniformed
security guards outside some of the polls, who would confront Hispanic
voters, informing them that it was a felony for non-citizens to vote.
The Republican party of California doesn't exactly deny it. They say
that the guards were there for "informative" purposes.
Voter intimidation? Naw, not the Republicans....
The guards left after the CA voting office ordered them to.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 55288
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Popular vote
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 09:01:50
Bush: 47,946,422 54% (National) 698,300 61% (Arizona)
Dukakis: 41,016,429 46% (National) 451,280 39% (Arizona)
Electoral votes:
Bush: 429 79%
Dukakis: 112 21%
If anyone one wants to know why I don't like the Electoral College, the
above figures should explain it. The actual final vote totals will be a
little higher -- a few states had one or two precints still to report. I'm
guessing on Bush's electoral vote count -- the paper only gave the count for
Dukakis. Dukakis carried ten states plus Washington D.C. -- better than
Mondale I suppose, but a far cry from winning. Mondale carried only
Minnisota (his home state) and D.C.
/
/ * / Alan
* *
Message: 55289
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Wasted Votes...
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 10:14:10
I do not consider my *VOTE* for DeGreen "wasted". He did have a
small chance to make it and I went for it. However, Ron Paul had NO
chance of making it, and voting for him was a waste of a vote and your time
going to the polls. (other than maybe your vote on propositions)
Most of what I voted for...got in!
Now, for your distorted ideas of what 106 will do are just plain
silly! Basicly in a nut shell, it is to help prevent us from becoming
another "Canada". It's not going to get the road signs taken down...
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55290
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Electoral College
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 10:22:12
I agree with A-L-A-N, in that I don't like the Electoral College.
I think it should be Popular Vote... Somehow it would make your Vote count
for more in a state such as Arizona. How do we go about changing such a
thing? I hear talk after every presidential election, but nothing comes of
it.
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55291
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: vote results
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 11:03:06
They were in yesterday's Gazette.
Message: 55292
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: wasted votes
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 11:09:02
My comment regarding a vote for DeGreen being "wasted" was for your benefit,
Cliff, since you've been railing about votes for Libertarians being wasted.
Looking at the percentage of votes DeGreen received, it's clear he had no
chance of winning. And he *is*, an idiot. While I would be happy to have
seen DeConcini turned out of office, the charges DeGreen brought against him
were mostly groundless misrepresentations. And seeing an interview of
DeGreen on television made it quite clear that he is an opportunistic
sleazeball.
Elections are not horseraces, though--any vote for a candidate you think
should be in office is not a wasted vote, no matter how few votes that
candidate gets. Voting for a candidate you don't want to get into
office--that is a wasted vote.
Message: 55293
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Last on waste...
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 12:06:24
After listening to some Libertarians and seeing their pulling power
for votes, I now will lump them in with the Communist Party and no longer
even refer to them. I do not recognize the Libertarians as a valid party.
By the way, All Politicians are "opportunistic"! As for the
"Sleaze" factor, maybe so, but I smell something wrong with DeConcini
wanting to give 7 million in "TAX" money to his son's dance school.... and
then there is all that money he made from that land deal.... He may even be
innocent, but if Mecham had done any such thing...you would be out to HANG
him.
I stand by my Vote for DeGreen.... Even if it was only to break
DeConcini's longstanding grip on Arizona. A Vote for the Libertarian did
not even count to show DeConcini that his constituents are not pleased. So
small in fact, the media won't even waste ink printing it.
Last: Yes, I suppose you have the right to Vote for whom you
please... And if you feel good with the results...fine! I have no problem
with that. I just can't help to wonder, if the Libertarians got into
power...if we would soon lose that right? Things that sound too good are
generally traps. Ask the people who let Communism in.... they can't vote
otherwise.
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55294
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: War!
Subject: GARY
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 13:05:24
I resent and *abhorred it that you called me a 'Scatter Brain blond'!
You sound like some *predator animal that needs to be put in
*quarantine! They ought to send you to *Canada! I would be the first to
*volunteer to do just that - in my *fabulous Corvette! You *definitely
are not *honorable and must surely suffer from brain *seizures! You are
very *naive and not *pleasant! You *readily judge me and don't look in
your own backyard first! You *haven't any class to call me such names.
You are worse than a 'skulker'! To compliment you would be to call you
*hilarious at best! You were *accidently born to woman! I'd *rather
associate with my dag --- *OOPS -- I mean my dog! You are *eligible for
the mental hospital down on Van Buren. You are *thoroughly mean to say
the least. You are *similar to a toad. You made the wrong *selection
when you insulted this cookie! =+= Annie the AssP =+=
P.S. I did not proof read this to show you I can spell. If you find any
mistakes ---- 'STUFF THEM!
Message: 55295
Author: $ Chris Neal
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Last
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 14:19:25
Are you feeling o.k.?
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Message: 55296
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann/last
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 15:01:45
Annie, I *love* it when you talk like that! I'm sorry I called you a
blond.
**** Gary ****
Message: 55297
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 15:40:25
Re: "insulted this cookie! =+= Annie the AssP =+="
Ann, you have a real way with words! BTW, what is a "AssP"?
Message: 55298
Author: $ Jim Lippard
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 16:29:16
What did you expect the Libertarians to do? Get 40% of the vote? I think a
200% increase in votes since the last election is substantial.
As for your uncontrollable wondering, that's rather ludicrous. The
Libertarian Party is completely straightforward about the changes they would
make to the government, unlike certain other parties which say one thing in
election year promises and then do something completely different.
The voting records of Libertarians who have been elected speak for
themselves (such as Andre Marrou in the Alaskan state Senate and even Ron
Paul when he was a Republican in the U.S. House).
Message: 55299
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: Lib's
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 17:07:16
I would think they would get maybe 10%.... not 1%
Have you gotten the nation wide Libertarian Vote results yet? I would like
to hear it before you spout out 200% increase. As we are talking National
Partys
And, if every thing they offer is so good...where are the Votes?
*=* SYSOP Cliff *=*
Message: 55300
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard's 55271
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 17:14:31
Sure, that's what you say now. Just a couple of weeks ago, you were saying
you'd never run against a politician who had talking cows.
Message: 55301
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Lippard
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 17:14:45
Bergland got 10,585 votes in Arizona.
Message: 55302
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hamilton
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 17:15:15
429+112=541. Where do you get the extra three electoral votes?
Message: 55303
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Oudin
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 17:16:11
Don't be silly. Dan Quayle wasn't even born until after Hitler died.
On the other hand, Michael Dukakis was born before Benito Mussolini died.
All hail! Bush Quayle!
Message: 55304
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 17:21:43
The Electoral College makes votes in small states such as Arizona count for
more than those in large states. For example, in 1984, there were 146,556
votes cast in Arizona for every electoral vote. In California, there were
202,243 votes cast for every electoral vote. Thus, one Arizona vote was
equivalent to 1.38 California votes.
Message: 55305
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Git Litirit
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 18:19:20
From Az. Republic:
Book commits capital crime
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - The capital of Florida is Jacksonville.
At least, that's what a new book designed to enlighten
cultural and geographical illiterates says.
*The Dictionary of Cultural Literacy: What Every American
Needs to Know*, makes no mention of Tallahassee, Florida's
actual capital.
But on Page 382, in the chapter "American Geography," is
this listing: "Jacksonville - Capital of FLORIDA, located in
northeastern Florida."
The chapter begins, "Tests have revealed that many
Americans are amazingly ignorant of the geography of their
nation."
...
Take this bus and drive it; rider says, 'OK'
SANTA ANA, Calif. - A bus driver whose vehicle was
commandeered by a passenger who accepted his challenge to
"drive this better than I can" has been fired, transit
officials said.
Kim Dale Miller, 36, was dismissed Friday, a day after his
case was heard by an Orange County Transit District
committee, said spokeswoman Claudia Keith.
The driver was dismissed for berating a passenger and
leaving a bus unattended, Keith said.
Witnesses said Miller got off his bus Oct. 19 after
challenging passenger James Biddle to do a better job at the
wheel.
Biddle, a 52-year-old Buena Park engineer, said that he
complained about the driver's berating a passenger and that
he also chided Miller about his driving.
At that point, Biddle said, Miller told him, "I suppose you
think you can drive this better than I can."
When Biddle said he could, Miller got off the bus and stood
on a corner, arms folded, as Biddle drove away.
Biddle carried the vehicle's 31 passengers more than a
mile, stopping to let people off and on, before police
stopped him. Passengers said later that Biddle made change,
gave them transfer tickets and was courteous.
Biddle was cited for joy riding and operating the vehicle
without a bus-driver's license.
Message: 55308
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 19:41:17
You seriously expected a third party candidate to get 10% of the vote?
Maybe it is your silly expectations which are at fault, not the Party.
Jim is correct that whether you agree or disagree with the Libertarians, at
least they are quite clear and specific on what they will do in office.
Message: 55309
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 19:47:51
No, they won't.
Message: 55310
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Burkhart
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 19:48:26
Hey, it's too bad Dole didn't get the Republican presidential nomination.
Why did they have to go and choose someone unelectable like Bush?
Message: 55311
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hathaway
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 21:16:47
By the way, Maryland voters approved a gun-control referendum on Tuesday.
They also voted for George Bush for President and Paul Sarbanes, a very
liberal Democrat, for Senate. What does this say about your little
theory?
Message: 55312
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Libertarians
Date: 11/10/88 Time: 23:57:31
Jim seems to believe that the difference between politicians is when
one is labelled "republican", one labelled "democrat" and one labelled
"libertarian".
Unfortunately, through all of his talk about busting myths, this one
seems to have escaped his attention.
Jim: Politicians are subject to change without notice. Read the fine print.
-Mike (A realist)
Message: 55313
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Poem
Date: 11/11/88 Time: 01:11:39
WHEN I WAS ONE AND TWENTY
by Ivana O. Martin & Kent Winslow
When I was one and twenty
I heard Jim Bakker say,
"Give me your dimes and dollars
and I'll wash your sins away.
"Give me your tens and twenties
and I'll save your soul from heck."
Well, I was young and foolish
So I wrote him out a check.
When I was two and twenty
I heard from Tammy Faye.
She clutched her chest and told me of
The bills they had to pay.
She honked into her hankie
While mascara fell like rain.
Still being young and gullible,
I anted up again.
When I was three and twenty,
Jim had good news for me.
He said he'd bought a satellite
(Too bad it wasn't free.)
He said, "We've joined the space age!"
And with that I felt content,
So I sent him all my money
And I didn't pay my rent.
When I was four and twenty
Tammy Faye said "Things look black."
"The theme park's treading water,
Jim and I are catching flack.
"You know that god will triumph
And the victory will be sweet."
So I hocked my suit and sent the loot
And moved out on the street.
When I was five and twenty,
They both looked pale and wan.
It seem that Jim engaged in sin
With a gal names Jessie Hahn.
When I met Jim and Tammy,
My world seemed bright and new.
But now I'm old and homeless
And I haven't got a sou.
The moral of my story
Is plain for all to see.
Don't waste your dough on louts who blow
God's horn eternally.
For if there were a Jesus,
You could call him on the phone.
We wouldn't need religious nuts
Who screech and howl and moan.
We wouldn't need Jim Bakker,
Nor Swaggart's sordid tryst-
And even less do we need them now,
For GOD DOES NOT EXIST.
(with apologies to A.E. Housman)
Message: 55316
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: etc.
Date: 11/11/88 Time: 01:20:27
JT, I was never for Fulani. It was only a joke, I didn't, at the
time think that I would be taken seriously. I am a Libertarian and I am
going to join that party and become an active supporter.
Bob, (liar) Yes, you are correct in your assumptions.
APRO, the article about propaganda by omission certainally hit home
when I tried to find out how Ron Paul came out in the election. Thus far I
have not heard the vote totals for this candidate. It is like he never
existed and he was the best man running.
I was again phoned by the Washington Post - New York Times Poll
people who again asked me some questions about the major candidates. All
third party people were left out. No mention was made of their names.
Hmmm, it is like the powers that be are going out of their way to do this.
Wonder what they are afraid of? I think I know.
Rod
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Message: 461
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Ralph the fisherman
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 08:30:47
Your invited - as soon as we get it running! Hahahaha! It's a
inboard/outboard and the former owners hit a rock and the lower prop section
had to be replaced. We have all the parts - Whitey just needs time to get it
back together and we have to wait for the title to come from the DMV and
that should take a couple of weeks. Too bad the weather is going to get cold
very soon - but we would still go out to fish. Are you game? Hell - I'll
ever let you water ski - 2 good skis came with it, plus a tow rope and life
preservers. In fact - I'd love to pull you behind a boat! Heh heh heh -
you'd never be the same again!! Ha ha ha. The boat also came with a canopy
top plus a full wrap around cover with windows that completely covers the
boat in case it rains! Lots of holders for beer too and two built in ice
chests/bait boxes! Sounds like fun don't it! =+= Prunes Annie =+=
P.S. The boat is 17 ft. long - a tri hull and has seating for 10 people -
you can bring Cocoa and Duke!
Message: 462
Author: $ Ralph Blehm
Category: Annie the ASSp
Subject: Boat
Date: 11/07/88 Time: 14:37:41
Sounds wonderful,and I do water ski, also snow ski, but I can't ice skate.
=)) OLD FART RALPH ((=
Message: 463
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Christian Rod!
Subject: a dream
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 03:33:45
Last night I had a dream that I was smoking pot with Rod. I seem to remember
that all of Rod's ideas about time became crystal clear while I was smoking.
Too bad BilJ isn't around to interpret this for me.
Message: 464
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Nick the Geek!
Subject: Last
Date: 11/08/88 Time: 17:11:34
I've got the manual.
WAY Below Normal Bulletin Board command:EN
You chose Nick the Geek!
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1: It's strange but since I quit pot for the time being, I've had four
2:or five clear dreams in which I was puffing away on a joint. My idea's
3:about time are clear to me and I've included them deep within my main
4:program. I sleep better just knowing.
5: Rod
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