Apollo BBS Archive

Apollo BBS Archive - May 9, 1991

Mail from Dean Hathaway
Date: 05/07/91  Time: 23:12:00

Hi,
   That's the problem with a basically meaningless phrase like "Property is
theft", you have to give it your own shade of meaning to impart any sense to
it, and people will go around repeating such a thing and lending credence to
its unsupportable, emotion based attack against property rights. I feel that
the underlying sentiment is that some people and institutions have much
property and may have gotten it by immoral means, and that this somehow
justifies the destruction of all property rights.
  This is about the same thing as saying that it is unfair that some
people are born beautiful, so we should all be surgically disfigured at
birth so that we are all the same.
   The right to peacefully acquire and dispose of property is essential to
being more than an animal in human form. Without the individual right to do
so, you live at the discretion of ever authority decides who can use what
and for how long. Collectivists love that idea, but anyone who would rather
live like a man than like an ant would fight it to the death.
   I don't really know if the sphere of meddling by busybodies is really
shrinking or not. Things like drug testing may create more of it than ever.
If they ever come up with a test to find out what's in our minds, they'll
try to weed us out until there are nothing but Paul Savages left. Actually
they would probably get him for something too.
   See You Later,
      Dean H.
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 1:Good message on property rights.  But as property owners the working class 
 2:is still at the mercy of the ruling class.  Property can be taken over by 
 3:eminent domaine anytime it is deemed necessary.  The ownership of property 
 4:only means something to those in control.  They have the final say.
 5:
 6:Perhaps it could become mandatory that each individual be given a brain scan
 7:once a year and if any conflicting data shows up then high voltage is 
 8:introduced into our heads.
 9:
10:Or we could be hooked up to a lie detector machine and be read the holy 
11:babel.  If our emotional responses stayed within limits we would be allowed
12:to leave.  If not then prison.
13:

Mail from Dean Hathaway
Date: 05/07/91  Time: 23:19:08

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   I think there maybe something to all this talk about changing the world
from within yourself. I fear that I am just too lazy to do anything about
it. I sometimes think that if I lost my job and had to give up everything
and start over it would be a blessing to have that freedom and motivation to
take a different path where I wasn't tying myself to somebody else's goals.
   I would probably still do the lazy thing though and get another job doing
the same thing.
   See You Later,
      Dean H.
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 1:I am being lazy (or safe) by staying with locksmithing.  I no longer enjoy 
 2:doing the majority of work I am faced with.  I need to take a deep breath 
 3:and go after different goals.
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Mail from Apollo SysOp
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 22:18:20

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Hi Rod
        Sorry you did not make the 'Blade Runner' GT.  Dee told me you were
afraid you would not be able to pick that lock, so not wanting to be
embarrassed, you stayed home.   Please don't feel that way.. Should i have a
GT, I would not put you to work...  Hope now that maybe you can make the
next one.

        Take care guy...

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 1:Not coming to the GT had nothing to do with the lock.  I like challenges.  I
 2:will take a job solely on it being a challange and give away another that is
 3:not.
 4:
 5:I was too tired that evening.  I have been redocorating bedrooms these past 
 6:several months.  Three down and one to go.
 7:end

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Message: 74979
Author: $ Don Hicks
Category: Question?
Subject: Ann/last
Date: 05/07/91  Time: 22:28:46

Yea, so what's your point ?

Message: 74980
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Religion
Subject: Daryl/Genesis
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 05:50:58

 One can only theorize about those things on which God is silent. My
thoughts on the matter are just that, theories, based on nothing more than
faulty human reasoning.
 Glad to see you back on Apollo! WElcome!

Message: 74981
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/tea
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 05:54:34

 I'm glad to hear that you had the good sense to let Sandy drive you home.
Don't you wish everybody did after a few? I'll bet that I know of a coupl of
cops' families that wish Horwitz had had as much sense. Among others.

Message: 74982
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 05:58:07

 Your motives for asking for "information" were warped, young lady. You
didn't want information, you wanted fuel for use in burning (verbally) the
Book of Books, God's Holy Word. I considered your responses to my honestly
given answers a personal insult as well, and my last post to you was nothing
more than backlash.
Go write some more pornography. It's probably safer.

Message: 74983
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 06:12:32

 I have pretty consistently tried to avoid responding to posts from you Rod,
but I can't resist commenting on your last two to me.
 In the first place, heroin, cocaine and other hard drugs are not comparable
to caffiene, sugar, red meat, etc. THe latter, while I would not disagree
that they are physically harmful, do not destroy the mind of the user, nor
do they generally render the user incapable of normal functions, such as
making an honest living, supporting families, fulfilling obligations, etc.
The evidence that hard drugs do all those things is all around us, and all
too obvious.
 Secondly, I don't know where you got your warped ideas of child rearing in
Christian homes. To use fear as a teacher is not only anti-Christian, it is
totally and absolutely WRONG! As humans, subject to all the human frailties
that everyone else is, we sometimes err in our methods, but the predominant
factor in successful child development must be love, not fear. There is
nothing wrong with disciplining children as long as the discipline is
administered with love, and the child knows that he or she is secure in that
love, and in that family.
 You claim that you were once a Christian, or were raised in a "Christian"
home. If the environment you describe is the only example of "Christianity"
that you ever experienced, it's small wonder that you turned out so
hatefully against anything Christian. The fact is, if that's the case, that
you have never known the love of God, which is what real Christianity is all
about.

Message: 74984
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Entertainment/Movies
Subject: Get to Work, Melissa
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 07:50:15

> Go write some more pornography. It's probably safer.
 
You heard the man, Melissa!  Get to work!  (And post what you come up with.)

Message: 74985
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Mad Max/Wild Bar
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 08:37:33

        There is NO connection between these two users.  Mad Max is not
using the system under any-other name.  Wild Barbarian has never been a
$tatus user under any other name.  I know him personally, honest!

        These are both two very real and different nice guys!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 74988
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Wild Barb
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 09:43:47

I take it you've never owned a house with a pool. You don't have to lecture
to me about communism; I live with a woman from Czechoslovakia so I know
where government intervention in people's private lives leads.
 
On Apollo, messages aren't linked together in threads, so it's customary to
indicate who you're responding to in the "Subject" field or in the message
content so everyone will know who you're talking to when you say "you." 
This is what Ann was criticizing your message about earlier.

Message: 74989
Author: $ Cliff Kolostow
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Milk Wars
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 10:49:57

        I don't touch the stuff, but we need lots of it for our two boys.
I see in just the flyers I got today from Fry's, Smith's and Safeway we are
having a front page milk price war.
        This is all the 2% stuff...this is what Sandy buys the boys:

        Safeway... $1.29  Limit 2 but no coupon

        Smith's... $ .89  Limit 1 with coupon & with $10.00 purchase

        Fry's..... $ .69  Limit 1 with coupon & with $5.00 purchase

Also...

        Fry's has COKE 6 pack or 2 Liter 79cents limit 2 6-packs or 2 Liters

        Smith's has Pepsi 6 pack or 2 Liter 49cents limit 2 6-packs or 2
Liters.  Both are coupon with a minimum purchace.

                The only type WAR I love...

                        clif- *=* Chairman of the Board *=*

Message: 74990
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Paul
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 12:39:24

Hummm.  I feel a story coming on...  Cos users, stay tuned.

Message: 74991
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rights rights rights
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 16:37:52

Before I get into this, I want to make it clear that I despise the
government meddling in any of my private affairs, including what I earn.
I read that some people on here don't realize that what they may or
may not do in *their own* home can and often will have a profound
effect on others whether you realize, like it or not. If all the folks who
wanted to smoke a joint or whatever in their homes and kept it there...
no selling to others, no giving away, no going out the door stoned, that
there would more than likely never be such a brohuhaha about drugs. Problem
is that these same individuals get behind 2 tons of metal and kill, maim
or destroy some innocent third party's life. When enough of these events
happen, the victims families start being heared en-masse', giving rise
to political pressures. (I.E. MADD is an example of this.)
When your right to pursue happiness, freedom etc infringes upon those
same rights I have, you have over-extended yours. When your pursuits
restrict mine or totally stop them in the case of being run over, you
get to lose yours. When a normally responsible and intelligent person
is influenced by the effects of narcotics, alcohol or other drugs, that
normally reliable person changes, often dramatically. Its the actions
of the affected person and how they affect others around them which has
led to the current state of affairs. The "alkies", dopers, smokers and
shooters have only themselves to blame. So when government comes around
saying "you must not...blah blah blah.." it's because those who *are*
have proven themselves to be more dangerous and deadly to other people's
rights to warrant taking away certain freedoms. And THAT IS CONSTITUTIONAL.

Message: 74992
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rights (example)
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 16:48:11

Many of you know I have a dangerous hobby. I actually have several
dangerous hobbies, just depends on your point of view I guess.
One of my "dangerous" hobbies is making explosives.
I've been at it for years, since I was 12. My natural curiosity on
how our physical environment works led me to top scores all through
my schooling in the arts and sciences fields. A spin-off from the
sciences was high-energy chemistry. 
Now lets mix this absurd rights-at-home issue into this brew.
Peter Petrisko claims nothing he does at home should be of any concern
to our Government. I mostly tend to agree with him. I'll illustrate
a reason w{y it's not entirely true, though.
Let's say I'm diddling around with three components of a well known
high-energy solution. I decide I wish to make a quantity of some high
explosives. Lets also say I'm very inexperienced and shaky at it.
Mike sits in his own home, mixing 4 readily available chemicals together.
But was it 4 parts of X with 7 parts of Y and 2 parts of Z with a dash
of XY? Hmm. Well, shoot, just try it out....*****WHATOOOOOOMMM****
Mike, his house, dogs and new truck are spread over 8 City blocks. Two
hundred feet in every direction there remains only a blackened wasteland.
For 7 miles around, the blast was so intense the air formed a wall-shockwave
and obliterated every glas object in its path, killing and maiming hundreds.
4 Miles away the engine block lands on a nursery, killing 3 occupants.
Electric service is disrupted for two days to 800 customers, and the houses
adjacent to mikes are torn, tattered and heavily dammaged.

Message: 74993
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rights (last)
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 16:59:17

After months of picking up, police investigations, families putting
their shattered lives back together slowly, one man asks why the
cops couldn't have prevented him before this happened.
Pretty soon the media lashes out at every chemistry supply shop,
every chemist, engineer or student having anything to do with fireworks,
pyrotechnics or high-energy physics and chemistry. Within a year
bills are on the floor of the local politico roosts. Ban this, ban
that. Just because one idiot blows his neighborhood into kingdom come,
the media, public and police will all band together to restrict access
to certain chemicals. (They do anyway).
By the time Mike falls out of orbit in one last firey binge, the
bleating sheep and such will be out in force pounding their breasts into
bloody pulps publicly decrying the need for MORE LAWS, MORE CONTROL.
 
Sound pretty far fetched?
 
This actually happened in Chicago in the early 70's. It's happened several
times since. Sometimes the circumstances are different..instead of a bomb
mixture, its a cheap chinese assault rifle and a schoolyard of kids...
or a sex maniac and a .22 that hits a noted politician. The story keep
repeating itself. It's found where people smoke crack, drink beer, shoot up
heroin and dope around. In their *own, private, sheltered homes.* 
No people, what you do at your house can and often will affect the rights
of others..sooner rather than later. It's just a matter of how blind U are. 

Message: 74994
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: Names
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 17:51:47

From Az. Rep., May 8, 1991 by Van O'steen:

Make name change through court decree or just announce it

If your name offends you, you may change it easily.  Arizona
law generally permits adults to change their names for any
reason or for no reason.  The only limitation is that you 
may not do so for a fraudulent or illegal purpose.
  For example, you may not change your name to avoid your
creditors.  You also may not do so to pass yourself off as
someone else.  Expect legal difficulties if you choose to
become "J. Fife Symington III."  Otherwise, you have 
considerable freedom to substitute a new name for your old
one.
  There are two ways in Arizona to change a name.  One is
referred to as the court-order method.  The other is called
the common-law method.
  With the court-order method you must file a petition in
Superior Court.  After a brief court hearing, your request
generally will be granted if your purpose is not fraudulent 
or illegal.
  Common-law name change is accomplished simply by 
consistently using a new name.  No legal formalities are
required.  Many people are unaware of this right, however,

Message: 74995
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: Names
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 17:59:53

and they may question your use of a new name by this 
informal approach.
  In most cases, this problem can be resolved by preparing a
document that states your intention to adopt a new name.
Some self-help packets, available in Arizona bookstores,
contain easy-to-use forms for this purpose.  You simply fill
in a few blanks, then date and sign in the presence of a
notary public.  This serves as written documentation of your
common-law change of name.
  Arizona law also makes it possible to change the name of a
minor (anyone under the age of 18).  The court-order method
must be used for younger children.  Older minors generally
may use either the court-order method, if assisted by a
parent or guardian, or the common-law method.  Older minors
are those of sufficient age and maturity to make an 
intelligent choice about their name.
  If you have questions about name changes in Arizona,
answers can be found in one of the self-help packets sold in
bookstores.  Otherwise, contact you county bar association
for referral to an appropriate lawyer.

Message: 74996
Author: Paul Harris
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: mike's rights
Date: 05/08/91  Time: 19:17:51

  I'm having a problem seeing what your analogy has to do with the use of
certain drugs within the confines of one's own home. If you are saying that
all drug use leads people to becoming maniacal, I beg to differ. I figured
we were discussing RESPONSIBLE drug use, just as your pyrotechnical
experimentation is presumably RESPONSIBLE. Occasional, responsible drug use
no more leads to insanity than taking a particular pill will lead one to
becoming an engineer.
   Although repeated, irresponsible use of some drugs will alter an
individual's pschye, especially when the drug is addictive, I don't think
that necessarily means that because of drug-use that person is headed
towards becoming a maniacal killer. Maybe he is  screwing up opportunities
to better his lot in life, or perhaps operating potentially dangerous
equipment irresponsibly, but not necessarily getting ready to wipe out his
whole family with a butcher knife.
   As a matter of fact, I think it can be shown that drug use by psychotic
individuals is generally more of a symptom of their deep-rooted problems
than the cause of them.
   If however, you are only saying that it is a few idiots out there who
ruin it for everyone by acting irresponsibly, then I totally agree. 

Message: 74997
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: CARTER
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 00:00:35

     Again, no one here is saying people should be able to use a legalized
drug and be able to drive, maim etc. others with no legal repercussions.
In that respect, it differs very little from alcohol.
     There will always be some people who will endanger the lives of others
- whether it be driving under the influence, or knocking off a few school
kids with a gun. I don't see how this can be prevented, unless ALL drugs are
illegal under threat of execution, all guns are confiscated, the top speed
limit is set at 5mph instead of 55mph.... etc. 
     Even with all that, things of this nature would occur.  What do you
propose we do, Mike?  How do we stop the neophyte explosive hobbyist from
blowing himself up without infringing on the right to privacy of literally
thousands of explosive hobbyists who build responsibly & knowledgably?
     I think people need to be given (or keep) the responsibility to control
their own lives.  With that responsibiliy comes the understanding that if
you infringe upon the life of another in a negative way, you will be held
accountable.
     Your response to me disproved nothing.  It just posed more questions
and opened up the privacy issue further.

Message: 74998
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: NEW TIMES
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 00:26:37

     Undoubtably, some of you may have read the article in the newest issue
of New Times concerning postering in downtown Phoenix.  I disavow any
knowledge of these activities.  I am not, nor have ever been, a founding
member of the Partnership for a Thought Free Amerika (one of the postering
groups).  This has been a recording.

Message: 74999
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: price wars
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 05:36:47

 I watch the Pepsi war closely. It's or beverage of choice (probably hooked
on the caffiene), so we buy when the good sales come up, usually around
holidays.

Message: 75000
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: privacy
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 05:52:03

 What Peter Petriko, Paul Harris and some others still fail to accept is the
fact that one of the first things that happens when one ingests a
mind-altering drug is that all inhibitions are removed, and an otherwise
"responsible" person is changed to one partially or totally irresponsible.
 I don't see too many people driving down the freeways of or fair city while
they are smoking up, shooting up or popping pills. These things are most
generally done in the privacy of their own homes, or the homes of friends,
or wherever, in private. AFTER they have consumed the poison, and AFTER
their inhibitions, conscience or whatever you want to call it have been
reduced or removed, THEN they forget that their reactions, etc. have been
impaired to a point beyond anything resembling public safety.
 As I said in a previous post, back in my heavy drinking days, nobody, and I
mean NOBODY! could tell me that I couldn't drive as well drunk as I could
sober. People under the influence of any chemical, be it alcohol, marijuana,
cocaine or glue, have lost touch with reality and are incapable of acting in
a responsible manner. The naked truth is as simple as that.

Message: 75001
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Peter/last
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 05:53:08

Are there any depictions of palm tree tops on those posters?
(smile)

Message: 75002
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: News Today
Subject: 75000!
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 07:19:20

Did anyone else notice that our own dear Pauley posted message number 75000
here on the Public Bulletin Board?  Something of a milestone I'd say.  The
number, that is.  Paul's something of a millstone.

Message: 75003
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: For sale
Subject: Cliff/Amber monitor
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 07:48:57

Would that possibly come with the cable?

Message: 75004
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Paul/Genesis
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 07:57:42

     I have no disagreement with you on the dangers of theorizing too much
on those things of which the Bible is silent about. But the question is, is
the Bible silent in this question? I feel that the answer is 'no,' and that
it speaks quite clearly in Genesis 3:20... "Now the man called his wife's
name Eve, because she was the mother of all [the] living." (NAS)

Message: 75005
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: For sale
Subject: Amber monitor
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 08:42:48

        Amber Monitor... with an 'Atari' type cable?  If I can find one in
my cable box that will fit...sure.  Best if one would bring over their
computer system (Atari/Commodore or whatever)... Making sure I supplied
correct cable.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif-

P.S.  I do really believe I have the correct cable.

Message: 75006
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Apollo Trivia
Subject: Bill B on 75000
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 08:48:31

Not only today did Paul Savage post message 75,000 ...
Funky Alf was Apollo's 160,000 caller...

Message: 75007
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: hmm..
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 10:22:14

...maybe would should all watch Reefer Madness again just to refresh
ourselves...
Am I to assume that you were strictly a drinker? If that is the case, then I
can understand your blatant incorrect generalities. Due to, shall we say,
the slime that I am related to on one side of the family, I have had plenty
of opportunity to observe people who have been drinking, people who have
been smoking pot and people who have been doing other drugs, and the truth
is (as much as many of the more conservative scions hate to admit) that
alcohol is one of the worst drugs in common use. 

Message: 75008
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/correct cable
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:37:55

Just because you believe you have the correct cable does not necessarly mean
that you have it.  Believing something does not make it true.  (smile)

Message: 75009
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/drugs
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:44:39

If it weren't for the cocaine plant and the Columbian coffee bean then you'd
be %#$@ out of luck trying to find a Pepsi, Coke or any cola drink.

I think you need a good hit of LSD in order to loosen up that mind of yours.
Then you'd see first hand that what you are preaching about mind altering
drugs is so much bunk.

And that coffee bean you partake of on a regular basis was once the
'cocaine' of a past period.  Through injestion by ancestors it has not
only been accepted but more of it is needed in order to give the user the
same 'high' he once enjoyed.  From my experience caffeine is the most mind
altering drug next to alcohol.  And you partake of both while giving no
slack to those who have milder tastes.

You read and believe too much propaganda.

                                        Rod

Message: 75010
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl -laws?
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:46:38


You mention "Old Testament laws" in a previous message.  You indicate that
there had come a time when the population was sufficient for mating with a
distant cousin rather than immediate family.  How could you call it a law? 
I call it a happening.  And by the way, welcome.

                                Rod

Message: 75011
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Head Quasar
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:47:49

I heard a story last week that McDonalds tried out a new, part seaweed
burger on the people of San Francisco, sans notice.  There were no
complaints. Then it was announced to the public that what they were eating
consisted of part plant material.  Complaints started coming in. 

And that is why I said something good about them.  Plants, if prepared
well give one's body better replacement building blocks.  With plants for
new material, our atomic structure will be better knit, lighter and will be
able to leap tall buildings at a single bound.

Intaking greasy flesh into oneself is like putting 50 weight oil in your
Mercedes crankcase.  The blood thickens and runs more slowly and globs of
fat are carousing thoughout the brain.  This is your brain on fat:
        (picture of a Hippopotamus licking an ice cream cone with 
         four empty Domino's Pizza boxes at his feet.)

I'd like to hear what your roommate has to say about Communism, being from
Europe and all.                   Rod

Message: 75012
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro/drugs
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:48:34

Drug Legalization?  But plants belong to all.  There are a great many uses
for plants.  If not for plants the human animal would be even more lacking
as a species.

Our freedoms have been usurped, taken away from us by those who have no
right to do so.  In common law all plants are legal.  No group of people can
tell another group what plants they can or cannot cultivate.

A person can go out to a cow pasture and point blank kill a bull, cut off
a hunk of flesh and eat it.  That is legal.  Of course you have to have a
license.  What if those cows and bulls ate a pasture of hemp plants, (it
grows all over tarnation.) and then you ate parts of its flesh.  Would you
feel more relaxed all of a sudden or do you think that the THC would be too
weak to notice?

There has never been a death attributed to the use of hemp except for being
hanged by a rope made of that substance.

I the early days of this country, someone discovered, among many other
things, the coffee bean.  In those wild and wooly days plants were not
forbidden but were used by the people.  Sometimes a hemp sandwich was the
only thing they had to eat.  Imagine the first people to discover the
poppies.  They must have slept for days and when they awoke not a nerve end
was frayed in their entire body.  They had all healed. 

Message: 75013
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Apro 2/2
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 11:49:17

The human race has survived, albeit rather poorly.  If I were wrong on
this last point (poorly) then why do wars happen?  Mankind is a dink.  I
wouldn't go so far as to say that the human animal has achieved greatness of
any sort.  A cruel animal can not be great, only infamous.  As long as one
person on this globe suffers from the wrongful act of another then we have
nothing to really crow about.  It simply means that we still are weak.

Entire nations of humans are being controlled by self-servers.  And they do
not want to change, to join the masses in middle class poverty.  No, they
want to continue being able to go around the world on a whim, I can't
really blame them.  It's all they know.  The Prince and the Pauper book by
Mark Twain would be a good example of what it is like to be in the ruling
class then unexpectedly being thrust into the working masses.

When man recognizes the rights of his brother man then will the human
animal be within the reach of greatness.

                                        Rod

Message: 75014
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 12:26:22

Needless to say, Renata and her parents hate communism.  Stop by sometime
and she'll tell you about it.
 
I think you're oversimplifying the issue of foods based on animal products
vs foods based on plant products, but I don't feel like arguing about it
since so few people take most of your views very seriously.

Message: 75015
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 13:04:25

Nice to have you back.  
Oh, I don't need to borrow your camera, by the way.  

Message: 75016
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: News Today
Subject: Graduation!
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 13:05:31

I finally did it!  Six years and 7,500 dollars in dept later, I have a BA
degree in Theatre Arts.  Neat, eh?
So, what am I going to do with my degree?  Frame it, I guess.

Message: 75017
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 13:19:30

Perhaps you could stage one of your stories somewhere.  The erotic
ad-ventures of Mark A...

Message: 75018
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Congratulations
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 13:40:17

Congratulations, Melissa. It shows you can put up with all sorts of
bureaucratic B.S. and still get the job done. Not a bad testimonial to have
when going to work for a large, bureaucratic organization.

Message: 75019
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod #75012
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 17:47:48

If those cows and bulls ate a whole field of hemp plants, I
would hope they'd be properly arrested by the authorities.
Of course that would never happen in this country because
here Bovinity is held to be above mortal law.  Hence the
phrase: HOLY COW!

Message: 75020
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: congrats...
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 20:15:10

...are in order, MD... Quite a day, eh?

Message: 75021
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Head / views
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 20:55:56

I take some of them seriously.  Yeah, I'd like to stop over and talk
although I can pretty much figure what she'd say.  There has never been a
Communist country in this world, only ones who call themselves that.

In each large country there are rulers.  Some take advantage of its working
class more than others.  I think in Russia the rulers promised Communism but
that was just the 'plum' to get the people to put up with barely enough to
survive.

In this country the rulers keep slicing off a bit more for themselves.  I
wonder when the last straw will be placed on the camel's back?

Message: 75022
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 20:58:02

I heard that Burger King was going to sign a contract with a group of
farmers that would provide that all cows be hemp fed from birth.  It seems
that BK would like to put more smiles on people's faces.

Message: 75023
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa/degree
Date: 05/09/91  Time: 20:59:01

Good going.  Go for it all.  Live.