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Apollo BBS Archive - May 5, 1991

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Re: The $tatus user Handle debate      04/25/91

All handles in use now will be allowed to remain regardless of how this
[V]ote turns out. (if they wish so)

[A] Handles should NOT be allowed on Apollo, only the user's real name.
 
[B] Handles should be allowed on Apollo.

[C] I have no opinion or I just don't care one way or the other.

How do you vote [A-C] or [CR] to abort:B

Poll results to date:
[A] 11   [B] 17   [C] 2


Message: 74885
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Brady Bill Drivl 2/3
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 10:24:17

        Secondly, the bill does require that the individual selling (or, in
the language of the bill, "transferring") the handgun provide information
about the person receiving the handgun to the "chief law enforcement
officer" of the area.  However, it also very clearly states that (forgive
the legal jargon here) if "seven days have elapsed from the date the
transferee furnished the statement [telling the chief law enforcement
officer of the proposed transfer of the handgun], and the transferor
[seller] has not received information from the chief law enforcement officer
that receipt or possession of the handgun by the transferee [buyer] would be
in violation of Federal, State, or local law", the transfer can take place.
        In other words, the police chief (or sheriff, or whoever the chief
law enforcement officer is) cannot simply sit on a transfer notice, thereby
preventing an individual from buying a handgun.  If the person selling the
gun (the transferor) doesn't hear back from the police in ten days, she can
sell the gun to the transferee (the buyer).

Message: 74886
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Brady Bill Drivl 3/3
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 10:24:41

        Now, this is still a bad law.  It further encroaches on our Second
Amendment rights and allows the government (the federal government, at
that!) to increase its meddling in what should be a private affair.
        But it does those who oppose the bill no good to spread false
information about it!  This only puts them in the same class as the liars
who support bills such as the Brady.  When BOTH sides of an issue such as
this lie, it only serves to convince an already apathetic public that
politics is, indeed, a dirty business and not worthy of our attention.
        And that hurts us all.

Message: 74887
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Politics
Subject: Paul/74880
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 10:39:34

Go back and read 74830.  That was a direct response, by you, to an article
by Stuart Reges.  My comments followed, responding to you.
 
Kinda shatters one's "belief", eh?
 
Nobody is suggesting that you change your morals such that you become a
practicing homosexual, just that you don't let your morals get in the way of
the needs of others to do things in privacy which have no bearing on parties
not participating.

Message: 74888
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Michael #74868
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:23:06

I understand that but why are the states so very different on the price?
                         *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 74889
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger on politicos
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:25:40

OK - so how do we "vote the S.O.B.'s out of office when the next group
that's running is just as big as crooks, just as self-serving as the one's
we want out??? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 74890
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Doggy #74872
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:33:32

I think you are a 100% right there Beau. We just are not going to win no
matter what. Eons ago Pearl Buck, and author of fiction books based on fact
about China had one of her peasants say in one of the books ... "Politicians
are the enemy of the people and should be struck down by the people every
now and then"! The peasant was not talking about striking them down at the
polls - he meant physically! If you read Chinese history you will see that
this has happened almost like clockwork at least once a century if not
several times!
                       *>>> ANN O. <<<*
 
P.S. Know where I can buy a good strong rope? Heh Heh 

Message: 74891
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Wild on drugs
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:46:35

I won't disagree with your stand on not legalizing drugs because I am not at
all 100% sure it would help a thing ... but when you said "when we are told
that what we can and cannot do in our own homes is for our own good"...
... is fighting words there partner!!! I personally am sick to death of
someone else telling me what is good for me and forcing me to comply. I
cannot understand anyone that followings blindly like sheep - without a
whimper when one of the little freedoms are taken away! I have a brain and I
use it - for what's GOOD FOR ME! I do not need anymore protection. But
what makes me so damned mad is - usually it isn't really protection that is
the bottom line - money is! Our stupid, idiotic politicians, in order to get
re-elected again, can't raise the taxes, so they pass yet another 'freedom
loosing' law - such as the new seat belt and pool restrictions law so they
can make criminals out of the people and that way, they collect anyway!! I
don't have any idea what status your life is in - whether your working for
someone ele or yourself or working at all - but I do know that the big they,
the one's that decide what is 'good for us' is taking over everything and
people like you are letting them all in the name of protection! You must be
young and not know what has already been taken away. Sorry! I just don't
agree with you Wild. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 74892
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Peter
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:50:40

Your story about the terminally ill lady was so sad. How stupid we cannot
grow a weed and use it for medical purposes. BUT - how stupid we can't grow
that weed no matter what! I'll never understand why marijuana is lumped in
with harder, dangerous drugs. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 74893
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Wild on bedroom
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:54:04

You think we should be policed in our homes er??/ Well, NEVER take a
woman to your house and have sex with her if you are not married! It's
against the law! Don't do it in the car either - whether your married to her
of not. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 74894
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on drugs
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 11:56:10

50 cents is a lot easier to come by than $100 which the user may have to pay
or more. I am not exactly up on what drugs cost today, but I'll be willing
to bet it's not 50 cents for any of it! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 74895
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on drugs
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 12:07:58

You still miss the fact that there are drug users NOW and it is illegal!
You say you were an alcoholic and still drank and drove - well, that too is
legal and people still do it (drive) and would still do it if it were made
illegal!!! PEOPLE ARE NOT GOING TO STOP TAKING DRUGS NO MATTER WHAT!!
Comprende? The people that allowed probition to be lifted knew they were
fighting a losing battle and did so. If we legalize drugs, at least there
would be some control. Right now, our only control is to bust um and fill
our prisons up and it's costing us billions to fight the losing drug war!
 
You have a perfect right to your opinions, but I just want to know what do
you perpose about the subject? Or are you just going to shake your head at
it and let it remain like it is because legalizing it goes against your
moralistic views? Somethings got to be done sooner or later Pauley, so come
on and solve it! 
 
You want to hear something funny? I think legalizing drugs is a 'last
resort' thing - a 'desparate' effort to rid ourselves of the drug lords, the
kids pushers, the dregs to our society as you put it. I just know in my
heart the problem isn't going away and something 'desparate' is going to
have to be done. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 74896
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Public Law 101-583
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 17:59:31

...
SEC. 2. REGULATIONS CONCERNING CERTAIN EMPLOYEES.

  Not later than 90 days after the date of enactment of this
Act, the Secretary of Labor shall promulgate regulations 
that permit computer systems analysts, computer programmers,
software engineers, and other similarly skilled professional
workers as defined in such regulations to qualify as exempt
executive, administrative, or professional employees under
section 13(a)(1) of the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938
(29 U.S.C. 213(a)(1)).  Such regulations shall provide that
if such employees are paid on an hourly basis they shall be
exempt only if their hourly rate of pay is at least 6 1/2
times greater than the applicable minimum wage rate under
section 6 of such Act (29 U.S.C. 206).

 
This federal labor law was to have taken effect Feb. 15, 1991.

Message: 74897
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Spot The Loony!
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 18:06:54

  Great Britain's voters finally have gone loony.
  Stuart Hughes, leader of the Raving Loony Green Giant
Party, received 865 votes Thursday to win a seat on the
East Devon District Council in southwestern England.
  The victory is a first for Britain's loonies.  Another
group, the Monster Raving Loony Party, has contested many
elections at both local and national levels.
  That party, led by rock singer Screaming Lord Sutch, is
considered by many to be the mainstream loony party in
Britain.
  Sutch, 50, has run for Parliament 30 times on policies
that have included solving Britain's financial problems by
digging underground tunnels to Swiss bank vaults and making
dogs eat luminous food so you can see their mess in the 
dark.

(From today's Az. Rep.)

Message: 74898
Author: $ Wild Barbarian
Category: Answer!
Subject: crock of bull
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 18:55:40

was your reply....And what studies do YOU base your answer on???????  I see
no names....But then again any statistical info can be made to fit any
issue.  I for one do not see addiction as a sickness...It is people like you
that want to call everthing a "sickness"  Drug use and possession is, as it
should be, a CRIME. Period. And you are damned right I would not be a user
of drugs.  I have not not and never will be.  My point about children using
drugs was not based on emotion.  If we look at the problems as to why people
turn to drug use and try to help those problems, we would go a loooong way
in reducing drug use. What about all the inner city children, for example,
that come from broken families, are probably abused, and don't have much of
a future.  Those are the ones who will be addicted to drugs.  No matter if
drugs are legal or not.  Help these and others who need the help.  And stop
glamorizing drug use.  Quit sugar coating the effects of drug addiction. 
Make people wake up and realize what drugs do to them.  I say we can win the
war on drugs.  Start by shooting down known drug smuggling planes.  I don't
want to hear the crap about well, how do we know what plane is carrying
drugs.  Our state of intel. gathering is fairly good.  Number 2, pay our law
enforcement people what they are worth for doing their jobs. Three more
education is needed.  No, drug legalization is not the answer you want it to
be and never will it.

Message: 74899
Author: $ Wild Barbarian
Category: Answer!
Subject: none of your busines
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 19:06:26

but I will add another two cents.... In your small limited anything goes
mind, I suppose you also say it is ok to abuse children?  To rape and murder
them?  All in the name of PRIVACY? I never intended to "patrol the bedrooms
of others". Nor do I, personally care to.  However, I will NEVER be
convinced that Homosexuality has an legimate place in our society....Gays
are the ones who are sick.  Laws in this country work for the good of the
society, as a whole.  No one ever said it is perfect, but it is the best we
have.  Have you ever lived in a communist country?  I have.  I lived in East
Germany for 2 years while stationed in West Berlin in the Army.  Ever had to
have a travel document to go from state to state?  In communist countries
you sure do.  Ever stand in line for food and then not have any?  I think
you know the answer to this one too.  
 No, I am not willing to give up my right to privacy.  Far from it. But I
also realize the need for a society to have laws so that bad things that we
do to other humans is minimized.  You don't really know how good we really
have it in this country.  WAKE UP.  And it will be a cold day in hell when I
justify myself to you for using an allias.  

Message: 74900
Author: $ Wild Barbarian
Category: Answer!
Subject: You dumb so and so
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 19:14:47

How in the hell can you disagree with such things as manditory fences around
pools???????????  Do you care so little about our children?  Quit thinking
of just yourself for a minute.  How blind are you?  I tell you what, if i
had a small child and if it was at your house and you had an unprotected
pool and that child fell in and drowned because of your neglect, you also
would die, at my hands.  People like you are why we need laws.  I agree that
the rich politicans get richer, but.... I think the biggest reason why we
have so many problems in this country is that people just don't care.  And
that is too bad, because we live in the greatest country in the world.

Message: 74901
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: WILD B.
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 22:07:55

     I never said things are better in a communist country.  I think the US
system is the best in the world, but why not make it better?  When there is
a bad law, WE have the power to change it.  I think drug prohibition makes
for a bad law.    
     You said, "I also realize the need for a society to have laws so that
bad things that we do to other humans in minimized." The key words there are
"bad things that we do TO OTHER HUMANS."  Any activity I do in my own home
can only affect ME adversely (or positively, depending on what I'm doing.) 
     No one here is saying drug use should be mandatory, we're just saying
people should have the freedom to choose for themselves.  Legalizing the
stuff would pull out the carpet from under the billon dollar underground
drug business.  Drug dosages could be standardized, the gov't could tax the
stuff.  And the bottom line is, people could do what they chose in the
privacy of their own home.
    I'll ignore your comments about abusing children.  Unless of course
you'd like to tell me if you still beat your wife.
     As far as your alias goes, I have no problem.  I respect your right
to privacy.

Message: 74902
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: PAUL
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 22:17:44

     Again, I'll state that I'm all for DUI laws (whether it be alcohol or
any other drug.)  Maybe DUI sentencing should be stricter.  But the fact
remains that people do drive at times when their abilities are impaired.  It
isn't going to change.
     However, I don't think you should be stopped from drinking at home. 
Even in excess. Of course I would hope you (using "you" in a general sense
here) would find the strength to pull your act together, but wouldn't
support a law making it mandatory for you to do so under the threat of
severe punishment.

Message: 74903
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Arf! Arf!
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:16:38

In the country of Holland, marijuana is legal.  Its use has declined since
legalization.  The more freedoms a human has the less likely he is to get
snockered on a legal or illegal substance.

The more an animal, any animal, is suppressed, locked up or made to feel
'caged', the more will an escape be sought.

Taxes are higher in Holland but the standard of living for the individual
is better than in the United States.  What is money, after all?  Having
lots of it does not make a person more free or feel better unless of course
that person is living in an unfree society.  You know, pay by the minute.

The working class pays with its peak energy and then is given in return
some paper that was once part of a tree.  Numbers are on the paper and they
represent wealth to the poor class.

In a sick society people kill and maim for some of this paper because to
them it represents a freedom of sorts.  A freedom that includes not to be
at the beck and call of their collective 'bosses'.

continued (1 of 5)

Message: 74904
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: what's the name?
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:17:43

We have been addicted to bad substances from birth.  Meat and dairy
products are programmed into our memory locations under 'list of daily
needs'.  And they are legal.  So is alcohol, Columbian coffee, and Virginia
tobacco.  Chocolate comes from a brown bean of the coca plant and sugar
comes from caine grown in Hawaii or Cuba.  They're all drugs and they all
affect the user.

A person driving an automobile after having a 16 oz. steak, Cherries
Jubilee and three cups of coffee is undergoing rapid chemical changes
within their bodies.  Changes that effect alertness.

Perhaps an automobile that travels public roads should have a quick
computer game(s) build-in so that the car's computer can check for
functionability of the intended driver.  If you are not alert then the car
won't start.  The computer will shut down for five minutes or phone a taxi
for you.

But when a person is in their home they can do whatever they believe. 

When indivudual rights are stripped then society changes for the worse. 
Depression knocks more often to the affected and some attempt to battle
what they see as injustices while others mush out on an overabundance of
substances that take the terrible pressure away for a time.
-continued-

Message: 74905
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Debate
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:18:25

All because reality for the working class is looking forward to that
paycheck in order to buy the necessities and pay for the unexpected.  A
lifetime of struggle in order to survive.

The most abused substance is cooked flesh with dairy products right in
there among them.  There are currently no accurate figures which show how
many individual deaths come about from them.  These would be know as 'early
deaths' as these substances take 'years' as well as health from the 
Out of what is classified as a 'drug', marijuana has never been documented
as the cause of a death.  Can we say the same about tobacco, alcohol or
caffeine?  Alcohol consumption will be the primary cause of a violent death
while I am now typing, somewhere on this planet.  Probably somewhere in the
U.S.

But when you sip alcohol you say, 'I know how to use it.  I don't abuse
it.'  But when you become depressed at times you tend to 'overuse' it and
you don't admit to yourself that it was drug abuse.  You feel you can handle
the most violent of the drugs but deny all others the right to smoke a joint
in order to relax instead of grabbing an alcoholic beverage and end up
doing something regrettable.

-continued-

Message: 74906
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: drink this.
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:19:47

Violence decreases and increases in a society depending on how equitable it
is.  When personal freedoms are stomped on then the whip snaps and we see a
wave of violence throughout the land.  On the other hand when society has
honest representatives who are finding ways to improve hardships that exist
then a sense of relief is felt by masses.  So far not much luck.

More people die or are permanently disabled from the so-called legal drugs
in a one year period than have died or disabled in all past history.  Don't
overlook prescription medicine in your figuring.  Valium is the most
prescribed drugs.  This tells us that a large percentage of our society are
simply trying to cope with every day existence.  Valium as well as most
'downers' originally came from plants that grew wild in nature.  And it is
legal to drive an automobile on such substances.  Think of how many people
are driving on a daily basis under the influence of prescribed drugs.

It is not good to drive when not fully alert but we all do it anyway. 
There are many accidents in the world on a continual basis and the majority
of those who's negligence caused them would test negative for illegal
drugs.  It is difficult to take a drive in Phoenix without coming upon an
accident or being nearly involved in one.

It is easy to blame a rise in crime on illegal drug use but in reality the
rise comes from the stresses and pressures that society heaps upon us all.
-continued-

Message: 74907
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: finished
Date: 05/04/91  Time: 23:21:40

I think it would be more fair to say that capitalism causes crime.  At
least the brand that is used in this country does.  The monopoly game was
created long before we were born and everything is already owned, Baltic
Avenue included.  All that remains is for us to be good little citizens and
pay our taxes and landlord on time.

You can have that cup of wine now.  Ah, life's never been so good.

                                        Rod

P.S.  Whoever called Ann a dumb so and so should be taken to the twilight
zone.   Nuf said!              Peace WH