Apollo BBS Archive - May 29 - 30, 1991


Mail from Bill Burkett
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 14:37:44

> This evening I feel like my eyelids weigh ten pounds each.  I
> had a busy day and now I must pay.
 
Say goodnight, Rod.
 
> You definitely are making a contribution to Apollo.
 
Thanks.
 
> Say, I'd like to borrow some of those books you mention.
 
I can't for the life of me remember what books you mean.  Refresh me, por
favor.
 
And if I don't hear anything from you in a week or so re those files, I'll
bug you again.
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

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 1:The next four posts in this mail bag shall be what you asked for.  If you 
 2:need more then let me know.  Thanks for the great clues.
 3:
 4:The book I wanted to borrow was of the 'one handed variety' that you 
 5:mentioned when talking about your son who has, as you indicate, been around 
 6:the sun twelve times.  What, pray tell, does the number of times a person 
 7:has been around the sun have to do with anything that is real?
 8:
 9:Enjoy......and the other posts you mentioned will be forthcoming by this 
10:same media.               Rod

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Message: 4791
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Question ?
Subject: Rod/last
Date: 05/28/91  Time: 23:05:52

        Is it true that there is another 'Williams' kid in the hopper?

I never thought of you as 'Impotent' Rod....  Everything else maybe but
never that.... ha ha ha ha

Message: 4792
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Cliff on Rod
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 09:05:11

As far as me be happy/unhappy - I am probably one of the most happiest
people you know.
 
I do not put down Christians to spoil their joy. How can a true Christian
have his joy spoiled by anyone for one thing? I am always curious as to how
and why people have came to the belief's they have. 
 
                           *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 4793
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Don on Rod
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 09:15:13

What is my point? I just don't think Rod is far from the truth most of the
time and I'm not just talking about Religion. Most people just hate to have
their 'belief's' jarred - whether it's their religion or way of life, etc.
etc. Because of it, arguments with Rod are usually reduced to name calling -
him too because he had to retaliate with something because everyone else
can't argue with him successfully, so they start the name calling and pretty
soon it's slinging all over the place.
 
We, as so called civilized humans, tend to sugar coat 'the way it is'
sometimes. Rod does not. I'm not saying he does not go over board sometimes
on the negativity side, but usually what he says is the truth. People ARE
starving, ARE at war with their neighbors, Christians ARE not acting like
Christians, Christians are STILL fighting other Christians in the name of
God, etc. etc. Rod does not just talk about religion/God. Yet it seems that
everytime he opens his mouth about any subject, people right away start
cutting him down without a thought to what he is really saying. 
 
                            *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 4794
Author: $ Sandy SysOp
Category: Up Yours
Subject: Rod?
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 17:06:03

        Whose 'hopper' are we talking about?

Message: 4795
Author: $ Don Hicks
Category: Answer !
Subject: Ann about Rod
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 19:16:03

I guess I have to agree with you on that one.

-Don >++:)

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 1:I am not now, nor have I ever been pregnant.  Neither is Jasmine.  However, 
 2:I just may have a girlfriend or three with child.
 3:
 4:Any volunteers?
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 1:My head stays pretty much in the Cosmos.  Somewhere in my life my brain got 
 2:stuck on trying to figure out the BIG questions.  I have little bits, here 
 3:and there, of the puzzle but I'm still somewhere on square number 1.
 4:
 5:Often times I think about physical death and the mysteries therein and I 
 6:become anxious to find out what it is like.  I think death will probably be 
 7:the most fun thing we ever did.  It may be something like going down the big
 8:tube, head first, at Sun Splash.
 9:                                        Rod
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Message: 75436
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: CLIFF/LAST FEW
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 00:33:36

     Say, weren't you kicked outta the CHRistian SIG?

Message: 75437
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: deep Ann
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 05:24:12

 Bible scholars and translators down through the ages are all in agreement
that the ancient terms, both Hebrew and Greek, that have been translated as
"long-suffering" are also translatable as "patient". The two are synonomous.
(That means that they mean the same thing.) But of course, since your depth
of knowledge of the ancient languages, etc. is so far superior to all of
theirs, and you so dogmatically state that there is "no way" that they could
possibly mean the same thing, we will have to discard all their collective
years of study and knowledge and accept yours. (Sarcasm intended, by the
way. Just in case you didn't recognize it.)

Message: 75439
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/Xmas
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 08:01:54

You may not use a green Christmas tree, but the vast majority of Christians
do. As far as "proof" is concerned --- do your own research. BTW, what diff.
does it make to your faith if a pagan festival has been used to celebrate a
Christian holiday ? Also, the birth of Christ, insofar as I know, has been
estimated to have occurred during the summer.

Message: 75440
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff #75428
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 08:46:13

I don't understand - I know you don't have a tree on Xmas - but you don't
celebrate it at all! How come then you are bereating Roger?
                     *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75441
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cat on sin!!
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 08:49:59

you mean (sputter) - as a Christian you believe in masturbation (spelled
right this time!) and heavy petting? (Gasp!) I don't get it. In every church
I ever went to, both were a 'no no' of the first class! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75442
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on language
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 08:59:50

Never mind my "knowledge of ancient languages" - I question yours! AND I
don't care what you say or who you said said it - Bible scholar - Hebrew
scholar or not - long suffering and patience are NOT the same thing! You can
be patient and NOT suffer. Suffering means pain of body or mind. 
 
Re: "... discard all their collective years of study and knowledge ...."
 
I've known a lot of very intelligent people - that had years of study and
gained much knowledge that STILL would interprete the Bible to suit their
particular needs. Right now, I can take you to three different churches
within 5 miles of this house that all think they are the 'ONLY right chruch'
and the only RIGHT way to Heaven and the only RIGHT interpreters of the
Bible!! I'll bet not one of them is the church you go to. (religion)
                            *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75443
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann 75440
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 09:44:44

        We do not celebrate Christmas the way you do...  We don't get drunk,
we don't put up a tree, we don't talk about Santa and we don't like how it
has all become so commercial.  We do however talk about what we feel is the
true meaning of Christmas with the boys.  We celebrate it our way...  Why
does this bother you?
        
        What they have done with Easter is also a crime.... 

        There was once a pagan celebration on the 21st for the solstice, or
at least there seems to be some evidence there was. But that holiday if you
wish to call it that, was done away with.

Message: 75444
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Religion
Subject: Ann
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 09:56:37

        I have never been to a church that said 'They were the only RIGHT
way to Heaven'.  They all said the way to Heaven was though Jesus Christ.

        However, I have had people come to my door telling me their belief
was the only correct belief.  But I realize I was only talking to people,
and not God.  People error, God does not.  Sure, these people believe in
what they do, as they are following others who want the power (maybe) over
their group (flock)?  Yes, there are extremists!  Not all Christians are
extremists, in fact, MOST Christians are quite normal.

Message: 75445
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann on sin!!
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 13:05:36

In the church I attended as a teenager these were the only forms of
entertainment available as the church did not permit attending movies or
dancing.

Message: 75446
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Apro/Debt
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 15:38:16

  It would do little good to repudiate only foreign debt. It would be a much
easier case to sell politically, but it would not balance the budget now or
in the future. If the government did welch on all its debts, and the economy
survived the shock, it would not put an end to consumer credit or other
forms of borrowing, it would just mean that nobody would lend to government.
Of course even this caution might be forgotten in time, but it would
probably be a very long time.
   It would be great if everyone in the world would refuse to lend a dime to
our government starting right now, without waiting for a default or an
economic collapse to come along first. The money they borrow in our name and
spend to keep themselves in office is pushing the limit we can support as it
is, and internal reform seems impossible.
   See You Later,
      Dean H.

Message: 75447
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Beau/Debt
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 15:50:25

   I don't know if there is a Constitutional means of abrogating federal
debts or not. Of course it wouldn't mean a thing if it were strictly
prohibited by the Constitution and government really WANTED to do it.
   Some people wouldn't be hurt very much directly, people who have only
limited savings in bonds, etc. I don't think a good investment advisor would
tell people to put all their savings into government debt instruments, but
you can be sure that many people have. Decades of brainwashing to the effect
that everything else is risky and government investments are ironclad have
done their job well.
   The greater damage would be indirect. Would the entire FDIC program
collapse as individual banks with heavy positions in treasury bonds and
futures went bankrupt, causing a general run on the banks? Would the value
of the dollar collapse as people feared that U.S. script might be abrogated
next? Would the stock market crash as the stocks of financial institutions
with investments in bonds led the way
   As Buckaroo Banzai might say, "Do you want to roll those dice, Beau?" 
    See You Later,
       Dean H.

Message: 75448
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Petting
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 18:16:53

The thing I don't understand is the taboo against light 
petting.  Face it.  You very rarely hear anyone even 
*mention* it.

Message: 75449
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Pollywanna
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 18:28:17

  One morning while Pat was reading the paper, the phone 
rang.  She picked it up and got a dial tone.  The next 
morning it rang again, and again she got a dial tone.  The
third morning she realized what was going on: Casey had
learned to mimic the phone faultlessly.
  Once, as Pat opened a soda can at the kitchen table, Casey
waddled over and snatched at the can.  It toppled, sending a
cascade of cola onto her lap and the floor.  "$#!+!" Pat 
said.  Casey eyed her.  "Forget you heard that," she 
ordered.  "I didn't say it.  I never say it.  And wouldn't 
have now if I hadn't just mopped the floor."  Casey kept his
beak shut.
  Later a real-estate agent arrived to go over some 
business.  She and Pat were deep in discussion when Casey 
screamed from the den, "$#!+!"
  Both women acted as though they'd heard nothing.
  Liking the sibilance, Casey tried it again.  "$#!+!" he
said.  And again.  "$#!+! $#!+! $#!+!"
  Caught between humiliation and amusement, Pat put her hand
to her guest's arm.  "Helen, it's sweet of you to pretend,
but I know you haven't suddenly gone deaf."  They both broke
up laughing.
  "Oh, you bad bird," Pat scolded after the agent left.  
"She's going to think I go around all day saying four-letter
words."
  "What a mess," Casey said.
  "You're darned right," Pat told him.
  Casey's favorite perch in the kitchen was the faucet in 
the sink; his favorite occupation, trying to remove the 
washer at the end of it.  Once, to tease him, Pat sprinkled
a handful of water over him.  Casey ceased his attack on
the washer and swiveled his head to look at her sharply.
"What's the matter with you?" he demanded.
  If he left the kitchen and Pat heard him say "Oh, you bad
bird!" she knew to come running.  Casey was either pecking
at her diningroom chairs or the wallpaper in the foyer.
  "Is it worth it?" her son, Bill, asked, looking at the 
damaged front hall.
  "Give me a choice between a perfect, lonely house and a
tacky, happy one," said Pat, "and I'll take the tacky one
any day."

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Message: 75451
Author: $ Wild Barbarian
Category: Answer!
Subject: if it's directed
Date: 05/29/91  Time: 22:55:15

to you Ann, I will let ya know....... OK??????  Geez, where are people's
imagination around here????????  I think the intended person got the
message...

Message: 75452
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/language
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 05:28:38

One more time, in fading hope that you may yet get it.
Directly translated from the Greek (not Hebrew, since it is a New Testament
word):
 MAKROTHUMEO: bear, suffer long, be longsuffering, have (long) patience, be
patient, patiently endure.
 MAKROTHUMIA: longsuffering, patience.
 These are direct (and correct) translations from the original language.
That ancient language is still in use today. If you know any Greeks, ask
them. If you don't, check any complete concordance of the Bible or
Greek/English dictionary. If you can't find one, I'll gladly let you look at
mine.
 The two terms are one and the same thing! Sheesh!

Message: 75453
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Religion
Subject: Cliff
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 05:31:32

 Your last couple of posts to Ann have reiterated what I have felt for a
long time, friend. I think that you probably have a better grip on this
belief we call Christianity than a lot of folks who name the name of Christ.
I really wish that you would reconsider your position as to the CHRistian
SIG. You belong there, Cliff. You really do.

Message: 75454
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff #75443
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 07:49:29

... in other words, no presents, right? 
 
Hey man, you are so right - we get drunk out of our skull on Christmas eve
and stay that way until the sun goes down on Christmas day eve and have a
hangover for a week! We also have pagan rites and dance around the tree and
we think of satan instead of Jesus!!! We turn all our crosses upside down
of course. Isn't this the way everyone celebrates Christmas? *>>> ANN O.
                              
 
P.S. Uhhhh .... just curious, but if you do not believe in drinking on that
holiday, how come you came to my totally drunken Christmas party last year?

Message: 75455
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley #75452
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 07:52:28

You believe it, I don't! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75456
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 08:12:31

        The 'Chicken wings' is why I come over...  Your Christmas party was
not a totally drunken event.   Just Ralph Blehm was drunk if I recall, and I
drove him home as *I* did not get drunk.

Message: 75457
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Answer!
Subject: Paul S.
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 08:33:44

        Thanks for your vote of confidence, however... I do not feel right
about my problem yet.  I have sinned 'one too many times' and I need some
answers as to why?

        If...I claim to love and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, why then
do I so quickly and easily take his name in vain?  Am I kidding myself in
thinking I am a Christian?  Where does the urge to do this sin come from?

        Answers.....???

        When Christians hear my foul mouth, why are they so quick to judge
me and turn their backs to me, I thought only God himself could judge me?

        Answers.....???

Message: 75458
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Citizen Kane
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 09:12:08

I REALLY want to see Citizen Kane at Cine Capri.  Is anyone up for a Citizen
Kane GT?

Message: 75459
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: bobcat
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 17:34:18

I don't know if anyone has previously mentioned this but..
Isn't there a line in the bible about "thou shall not cast thy seed apon the
ground"?  I suppose that doesn't say it's a sin, but maybe it's just one of
God's pet peeves.   (Get it!   PET peeves??!!  I crack myself up...)

Message: 75460
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Pollywanna?
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 17:55:19

  But Pat did decide to have Casey's sharp claws clipped.
To trim them without getting bitten, the vet wrapped Casey
tightly in a towel, turned him on his back and handed him to
an assistant to hold while he went to work.  A helpless 
Casey looked at Pat and said piteously, "Oh, the poor baby."
  Pat often wondered if Casey knew what he was saying.
Sometimes the statements were so appropriate she couldn't be
sure.  Like the time a guest had lingered on and on talking
in the doorway and Casey finally called out impatiently,
"Night, night."
  Yet, whenever Pat wanted to teach him something, Casey
could be maddening.  Once she carried him to the living room
and settled in an easy chair as Casey sidled up her arm and
nestled his head against her chest.  Pat dusted the tips of
her fingers over his velvet-gray feathers and scarlet tail.
"I love you," she said.  "Can you say, 'I love you, Pat
Myers?'"
  Casey cocked an eye at her.  "I live on Mallard View," he
said.
  "I know where you live, funny bird.  Tell me you love me."
  "Funny bird."
  Another time Pat was trying to teach Casey "Jingle Bell
Rock" before her children and grandchildren arrived for
Christmas dinner.  "It'll be your contribution," she told him.
  "Where's my glasses?"
  "Never mind that.  Just listen to me sing."  But as Pat
sang "Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell rock" and danced
around the kitchen, Casey simply looked at her.
  Finally Pat gave up.  And all through Christmas dinner
Casey was silent.  When it came time for dessert, Pat
extinguished the lights and touched a match to the plum 
pudding.  As the brandy blazed up, with impeccable timing
Casey burst into "Jingle bell, jingle bell, jingle bell 
rock!"
  Pat's health improved so much she decided to go on a 
three-week vacation.  "You'll be all right," she told Casey.
"You can stay with Annie and the kids."
  The day her mother was due back, Annie returned Casey to 
the apartment so he'd be there when Pat got home from the
airport.
  "Hi, Casey!" Pat called as she unlocked the door.  There
was no answer.  "Holy smokes, it's cold out there!" she 
said.  More silence.  Pat dropped her coat and hurried into 
the den.  Casey glared at her.
  "Hey, aren't you glad to see me?"  The bird moved to the
far side of the cage.  "Come on, don't be angry," Pat said.
She opened the door of the cage and held out her hand.
Casey dropped to the bottom of the cage and huddled there.
  In the morning Pat tried again.  Casey refused to speak.
Later that day he consented to climb on her wrist and be 
carried to the living room.  When she sat down, he shifted
uneasily and seemed about to fly away.  "Please, Casey," Pat
pleaded, "I know I was away a long time, but you've got to
forgive me."
  Casey took a few tentative steps up her arm, then moved 
back to her knee.  "Were you afraid I was never going to
come back?" she said softly.  "I would never do that."
  Casey cocked his head and slowly moved up her arm.  Pat
crooked her elbow, and Casey nestled against her.  Pat
stroked his head, smoothing his feathers with her forefinger.
Finally Casey spoke.
  "I love you, Pat Myers," he said.

Message: 75463
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Sorry, (Sniff)
Subject: Roddy
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 18:55:24

Re:  I'm having trouble staying awake and I refuse to drink coffee because I
don't want to look like a coffee bean.

Go to sleep Rod.  Your eyes lids are getting heavy.  All you can hear is my
voice.  Gooo to sleep. . . .

Message: 75464
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Answer!
Subject: Peaches
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 19:01:25

Re:  a Christian you believe in masturbation

Do I believe in it??  I'm not sure what you mean there.  I believe it
exists.  The only point I was trying to make is, masturbation is not
condemned in the Bible.  I don't think it is even addressed.  I guess the
second point I might have made is, a lot of people talk about what the
Bible says about this and that when in reality, they don't know what the
Bible says.

Message: 75465
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 19:04:34

R{i]:  I have never been to a church that said 'They were the only RIGHT
way to Heaven'.

I don't remember being at one either, but they do exist.  The JW's, the
Mormons. the Moonies, the Catholics, and there are others.  If you ask them
the question and press them for the answer they will say they are the only
true church.

Message: 75466
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Question?
Subject: Peaches
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 19:07:44

Re:  We also have pagan rites and dance around the tree and
we think of satan

Do you do it in the nude?  Can I watch next time?

Message: 75467
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ms. Dee
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 19:10:03

Re:  "thou shall not cast thy seed apon the ground"?

Maybe you're thinking of "bread upon the water?"

Message: 75468
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 21:47:23

No, I know I mixed metaphors, but there is something about spilling one'
seed on the ground.

Message: 75469
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa/last
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 22:25:03

You may be thinking of "Cast not your Pepsi before swine."  People always
get confused over that.

Message: 75470
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/celebrate
Date: 05/30/91  Time: 22:26:52

Hey, your celebration sounds like ours.

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