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Apollo BBS Archive - May 11 - 13, 1991

Mail from Dean Hathaway
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 10:49:55

  As I have said many times, communism is not workable for humans. I would
rather live without the supposed joys of communism than give up the quirks
of human individuality and self interest which make it unworkable and
incompatible with human nature.
   See You Later,
     Dean H.
p.s.(thanks for the hospitality Sat. night, and I hope I didn't scare your
kids with that "Narcotics" bit at the door. If I had known you were smoking
again or that you weren't home I wouldn't have done that.)
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 1:Communism will not work in the forseeable future.  Someday perhaps a natural
 2:event will pull the human race together and until then more shit.
 3:
 4:The kids didn't mention the narc bit but I will ask them if they were 
 5:afraid.  I doubt it.
 6:
 7:Take care.
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Mail from Dean Hathaway
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 10:51:52

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  It was interesting to hear Steve and Sandi as I drove them home, saying
how nice it was to have a conversation like that, about issues that are
usually never discussed. I remember feeling the same way after the first
time we talked.
  See You  Later,
    Dean H.
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 1:Hmmmmm....issues that are usually never discussed.  How interesting since my
 2:mind seems stuck on thinking of those issues.  I really didn't realize that 
 3:other do not think of them as often as I do.  What a pleasant surprise.
 4:
 5:SThe context Sandi put Christianity in, "the party line" had a big ring of 
 6:truth to it.  It is now a part of my program.  See, I found another bit of 
 7:the puzzle and it fits nicely with all the others.
 8:
 9:Now if I only could figure out the next logical, non-mystical, step that 
10:life energy takes.  That would be interesting.  
11:
12:It seems that the only good way for me to get out of a depression is to talk
13:with other minds, one's that make me think, that adds to the conversation.
14:You are one of those minds.
15:end

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Message: 7368
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Habit
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 09:42:10

Habits rule our lives.

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Message: 4773
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod on Paul
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 10:03:39

I think that if Paul could have honorary membership to this sig for the day,
he'd read the first couple of posts and high tail it outta here fast.
                            *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 4774
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 18:20:36

Yeah. he probably couldn't take the sexual excitement of it all.

Message: 4780
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Beyond...
Subject: Melissa
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 23:51:20

Rave reviews......rave........rave.  

Message: 4781
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Paul's story
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 00:31:14

Some of you got to see it.  Someone talked with me about it and I have
reconsidered posting it here.  If anyone wants to see it, I can send it to
you via e-mail.

Message: 4782
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Question ?
Subject: joke analysis
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 09:47:16

Why does listening to Apro tell a joke remind me of watching "Blade Runner"
on videodisk?

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Message: 2034
Author: $ Don Hicks
Category: Yawn...
Subject: Apro
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 01:20:27

Are you shure it was a number one? Were you keeping count? :-}

-Ack (yawn) Zzzzzzzz

Message: 2035
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Animals
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 23:04:58

The household pet count has temporarily increased by one, as we've taken in
a stray dog until its owner can be located.  The two dogs are conked out
here in the family room. 

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Message: 75057
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Funky Alf
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 02:06:45

Just how funky are you anyway?

Message: 75058
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Head/economy
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 02:07:27

A recession or depression is in the works, I can't tell which.  Perhaps
some student groups or other concerned citizen's group will start the ball
rolling for a better government.  Take a drive by Peter's Gallery X at 800
West Madison any night around 6 and you will see a 1000 people in the
street.  They are a small part of the nation's poor.  Something has to
give. 

Message: 75059
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: my record
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 03:28:38

I have a clean record and have never been ticketed for drag racing.  I
really couldn't hear what the guys in the Mustang were saying, but their
middle fingers and facial expressions indicated that their intentions were
not friendly.  This was clarified by their agressive pursuit of my vehicle.

Message: 75060
Author: $ Funky Alf
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick Race 500
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 05:28:43

Nick > When the light changed to green, this vehicle moved into position 
along side me, and the occupants (there were at least two) began 
shouting obscenities, making obscene gestures, and generally behaving 
like jerks.  
 
        I would have told them to go $crew themselves, rolled up the 
window, and tuned the radio to a Funky rock & roll song.
 
Nick > It no longer seemed wise to enter and stop at the gas station, so 
I continued along Camelback, the other car continuing to pursue. As I 
approached Central (at about 3rd street), I noticed that I was doing 
about 70.
 
        I seriously doubt that they would have followed you into the gas 
station.  You were doing 70mph, the adrenalin or epinephrine (a hormone 
secreted by the adrenal gland, that stimulates the heart, etc.) was 
really flowing then, for both drivers of the cars.
 
        I would have put on the brakes, slowed down and calm down, and 
let the angry guys drive past and watch as they drove into a cement 
wall.
                Funky ALF

Message: 75061
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Speedscam
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 07:13:52

> Anyway, maybe the jerks were working for the police or knew the
> cop was around and were trying to get you in trouble?
 
Please, tell me you're joking, Melissa.  I mean the police are just as
guilty as anyone else in the government of wasting money -- probably more
so, but I doubt even they think something like this would be justifiable.

Message: 75062
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 09:42:48

That's right Roger - "no amount of fencing is ever going to change that"
(responsibility of the parents) Even at that, accidents happen. A parent
could teach their kids to swim excellently - the kid could be 11 years old -
you could be sitting at the pool's edge and the kid could drown before you
could do a thing. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75063
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alf the funky
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 09:48:42

Welcome paying member. Hope your visit is a long and prosperous one.
                            *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75064
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Answer!
Subject: traffic
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 11:31:16

I'm afraid that you're probably screwed. You could hope that the cop doesn't
show up on the court date, and that's about the only chance you have.
It's too bad, too, because such situations are a major injustice. I had
something similar happen to me once when three black guys in a Cavalier
chased me at speeds exceeding 75 mph up 51st Avenue near Camelback and
showed signs of wanting to plow their car into the side of mine at a red
light, all for the heinous crime of taking 2.5 seconds instead of .5 seconds
to pull out from a lane that was closed for construction when they were
behind me.
And unless you have bullet holes and fragments in the side of the car, no
cop would ever believe when you try to explain what really happened.

Message: 75065
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: laws/pools etc.
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 11:35:15

All "for your own good" type laws remove rights by making what would
ordinarily be basic common sense a law. Pool fences, seat belts, etc. are
the obvious examples. So, too, to a certain extent, is gun control.

Message: 75066
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: pools
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 11:37:34

Yeah, you almost wonder how all of us who grew up around pools in the
medieval days when fences were only found at public pools managed to
survive. I, too, was taught to swim and when I wanted to go swimming in my
back yard, by the time I was 5 all I had to do was say so and go out and
swim all I liked.

Message: 75067
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: bathtubs
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 11:39:02

I'm willing to bet that more people drown in bathtubs every year than in
pools, be it nationwide, statewide, or citywide. Maybe we should go back to
sponge baths.

(Yes, I'm back and argumentative...)

Message: 75068
Author: $ Sandi Marlin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: BB/Nicks incident
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 11:49:18

Unfortunately, stopping when you are faced with a car full of clearly
obnoxious and maybe dangerous people is an extremely ill-advised thing to do
unless you are ready, if the situation gets ugly, to break out a bat or a
gun and defend yourself. Having been chased by people who probably would
have hurt or killed me if they managed to catch me, I see evidence in Nick's
description of the incident to believe that there was reason to believe that
stopping at the gas station would have resulted in an assault at the gas
station. Probably not, but maybe. 
I firmly believe that self-defense is a fundamental right, but in a fairly
dangerous country (and an increasingly dangerous city and state) that right
is seriously hindered by laws. This is one situation where the law favors
the criminals and they know it. It's quite a catch-22 for the victim, the
ordinary joe on the street, however. You have a choice of risking personal
injury, death or loss of valuable articles (a whole other can of worms which
I'm not addressing in this message) and following the law, or arrest and
possible jail time for defending your life and safety.
Have we already forgotten about the Barlow case?

Message: 75069
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Vote
Subject: handles
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 13:59:39

I hope that our new $tatus user has voted...

Message: 75070
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 15:40:16

Re:  I just smoke big old cigars now.

Old?  Does tobacco improve with age?

Message: 75071
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 15:42:21

Re:  Why not vote the S.O.B.'s out of office who instituted these laws.

I think we should vote them *all* out!

Message: 75072
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 15:44:52

Re:  As to the wrongness of homosexuality, I think your ignorance of the
subject is showing.

Gee, I think Paul probably knows what homos are and what they do.  What do
you know about homos that you think Paul doesn't know?

Message: 75073
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Religion
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 15:53:32

Re:  Anyway you look at it from a bibical standpoint there is incest
involved.

There was no law against incest during the time of cain & able.

Message: 75074
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Rog
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 15:56:55

Re:  And after we put them in the gas chamber, let's string 'em up from the
thighest tree and then put 'em on the rack and cut their arms off and then
electrocute 'em and then shoot em up and . . .

Just shooting them would be enough Rog. 

Message: 75075
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/Plants
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 15:59:53

Only if they are hypo-intensive.

Message: 75076
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Vote
Subject: Bob/SOBS
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 16:03:04

all right. Who shall we vote in ?

Message: 75077
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 18:25:21

Sandi has a point.  Go shoot some bullet holes in the side of your car and
blame it on the people in the Ford.

P.S.  I'll visit you in jail if that makes you feel any better.  I'll even
smuggle in some drugs for you. 

Message: 75078
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/incest
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 18:31:53

Of course there were no laws against incest during the period you mention. 
Had there been, humans would not exist. Of course not existing may be better
than existing from the consequences of what incest causes.

It seem like the entire human race is the direct cause of incest.

It's good to see your name again.

Message: 75079
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: In search of
Subject: Factoids
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 23:09:58

There is an endangered species in Southwestern and Central
Asia named Equus hemianus, commonly known as the Asian wild
ass.

The witchcraft delusion of 1692 at Salem (now Danvers) Mass.
was inspired by preaching.  Nineteen persons were executed.

In 1986 Iraq spent 32% of its GNP on defense.

Jane Wyman's original name was Sarah Jane Fulks.  Hal 
Linden's was Harold Lipshitz.

The number of U.S. bank failures for the years 1978 through 
1989: 7, 10, 10, 10, 42, 48, 79, 120, 138, 184, 200, 206.

U.S. Meat consumption for 1989 was 41,664,000,000 lbs.
Lard consumption had dropped from 1,358,000,000 lbs. in 1960
to 425,000,000 lbs. in 1985.  Lard consumption is no longer
monitored.

Message: 75080
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Graduation, again
Date: 05/11/91  Time: 23:34:21

I went to the ceremony at ASU West this evening.  Pretty nice.  Thanks to
you all for your kind wishes.

Message: 75081
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 03:45:48

I doubt I'll go to prison.  Perhaps you could smuggle some drugs into my
hearing and put them in the judge's coffee.

Message: 75082
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: my tickets
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 03:48:54

Sounds like I don't have much of a chance, but it's still worth a try.  I'm
hoping that if I'm well prepared to state my side of the story, perhaps with
a documented legal precedent, the judge might at least eliminate the points.

Message: 75083
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandi/pools
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 06:09:45

 I don't think that yor theoretical statistics wold hold up, at least not in
Az. where there are so many pools and most people take showers as opposed to
baths. We do have far too many child drownings in back yard pools, although
laws attempting to legislate home safety and common sense do seem rather
silly.
 Good to see you back on the board. Don't be such a stranger!

Message: 75084
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandi/Nick
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 07:41:36

> Unfortunately, stopping when you are faced with a car full of
> clearly obnoxious and maybe dangerous people is an extremely
> ill-advised thing to do unless you are ready, if the situation
> gets ugly, to break out a bat or a gun and defend yourself.
 
Well, I guess we'll have to disagree on this one.  While I don't doubt there
are plenty of whackos out there more than happy to pick random fights on the
streets, it seems to me most will flee with their tails tucked between their
legs as soon as things don't go as they'd hoped.
 
BTW, I do agree with you that Nick's best shot at this thing is to plead not
guilty and hope the officer fails to show up for court.

Message: 75085
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/75073
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 08:59:37

So God changed his mind?  Or did God always feel that way, but the other
Gods wouldn't let him run the place back then?  I thought Jehova was
unchanging?

Message: 75086
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: homosexuality
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 09:01:07

I know that it isn't really a "choice".  I know that it is natural, that it
occurs in animals other than man.  I know that the New Testament doesn't
mention it, and that the Old Testament ain't exactly clear on it.

Message: 75087
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Sandi on posts
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 09:19:30

Yeah! Your back and I like you pool posts. "Common sense" is right!
                          *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75088
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bobby #75070
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 09:21:21

I don't know about tobacco improving with age - but the smoker sure as heck
did!  *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75089
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Vote
Subject: Roger
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 14:57:33

Re:  all right. Who shall we vote in ?

Only people who promise not to spend money.

Message: 75090
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 14:59:23

Re:  It seem like the entire human race is the direct cause of incest.

Hmmmmm.  I think you have a point there.  It doesn't seem to apply to cats
and dogs.

Message: 75091
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dog
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 15:02:16

Re:  So God changed his mind?

I don't think so.  The need for the law didn't arise until later.

Message: 75092
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: homos
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 15:06:41

Re:  the Old Testament ain't exactly clear on it.

I think the word "abomination" is pretty clear.  But that doesn't matter to
you, since you reject the whole ball of wax of the Judeo/Christian God.  I
guess you can do whatever seems right to you.  Peace!

Message: 75093
Author: $ Bob Thornburg
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 15:09:19

Re:  improving with age

I admit you're a grand ol' lady.  

:-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

Message: 75094
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: History
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 18:58:24

From A People's History of the United States, by Howard Zinn:

...
  Especially in Philadelphia, according to Nash, the 
consciousness of the lower middle classes grew to the point
where it must have caused some hard thinking, not just among
the conservative Loyalists sympathetic to England, but even
among leaders of the Revolution.  "By mid 1776, laborers,
artisans, and small tradesmen, employing extralegal measures
when electoral politics failed, were in clear command in
Philadelphia."  Helped by some middle-class leaders (Thomas
Paine, Thomas Young, and others), they "launched a 
full-scale attack on wealth and even on the right to acquire
unlimited private property."
  During elections for the 1776 convention to frame a
constitution for Pennsylvania, a Privates Committee urged
voters to oppose "great and overgrown rich men ... they will
be too apt to be framing distinctions in society."  The
Privates Committee drew up a bill of rights for the
convention, including the statement that "an enormous 
proportion of property vested in a few individuals is 
dangerous to the rights, and destructive of the common
happiness, of mankind; and therefore every free state hath a
right by its laws to discourage the possession of such property."

Message: 75095
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: In search of
Subject: Equus Hemianus
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 20:44:18

  Hey, Apro, are you sure that isn't Equus hemionus?

  We all live in a   ....,,,,________nnhn____   yellow subroutine

Message: 75096
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: INHIBITIONS
Date: 05/12/91  Time: 23:35:22

     To say ALL inhibitions are removed as soon as a mind-altering drug is
ingested is a complete fallacy.  You don't even list specific drugs or the
amount ingested when this total loss of inhibition is suppose to occur.
     In short, you make a blanket statement that is little more than
prohibition propaganda. 
     There is such a thing as responsible drug use, just as there is such a
thing as drinking responsibly. 
     It was a fun debate, Paul.

Message: 75097
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bob/incest
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 00:00:48

It doesn't SEEM to apply to dogs and cats because we are messed up from all
the incest early on in our history.  If we weren't messed up we would see 
that dogs and cats were too.

Message: 75098
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: Bob/discussion
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 00:11:26

A revelation came to me last evening and was delivered by a beautiful angel
of great magnitude.

It is now clear to me that Christianity is just another party line vieing
for users.  Just as Communism and Capitalism have their party lines then so
does the religion heads.

I will replace, now, the line which previously read, "The story of Jesus was
written as a three act play", with "Each large group has its party line that
is written to get followers and in all cases, sheep.

When promises are made via party line that basically says you will receive
your just reward AFTER you die then I'd be a bit leary of that.

Free your mind, kick off the shackle of superstition and religion and have
one less confusion to kick around while making decisions (which are
directly related to your immediate life).

Humans don't need something to worship any longer, we have electric light
now.

Just in case I am mistaken about all this put a good word in for me to your
God.  Tell it I think it's nice and looks good in white.  We all know that
Nick looks good in black but God certainly shines in those whites.  -Rod

Message: 75099
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Pot = memory loss
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 00:16:34

Some people say that pot causes short term memory loss but from what I have
clinically observed over the past twenty-five years is none whatsoever in
any of the test subjects.  However it has been noted that pot causes one to
ramble on whether they are writing or conversing verbally.  Sometimes a
single sentence will seem like it takes forever to get to that period while
other times the period is already there and you are four lines past that
point.  *KISS- Rod*

Message: 75100
Author: $ Don Hicks
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: last
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 01:11:09

Uh, what was the question again ?

-Who am I?

Message: 75101
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: B.Dog/75086
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 05:28:48

 It seems that you are just chomping at the bit to start an argument on this
subject that has been one of the sore spots on Apollo since it's inception.
 The most obvious thing abot our post is your ignorance about those things
you THINK you know. The New Testament doesn't mention homosexuality? Read
the first chapter of Paul's letter to the Romans. It deals extensively with
the subject, and condemns it out of hand. That's one. The Old Testament is
very, very clear on the subject, and it is in either Exodus or Leviticus
that it is also condemned, as are those who practice the abomination.
 As to your other inanities, it is UNnatural,(the direct opposite of
natural) and it is considered a "preference" which is a synonym for
"choice". You are obviously swallowing (no pun intended) the abominable lies
of the homosexual community. Too bad. I always thought that you were more
intelligent than that.

Message: 75102
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Peter/75096
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 05:31:31

Yeah, it was a fun debate Peter. Too bad that neither of us convinced anyone
of anything, since neither camp has budged an inch. Oh well.

Message: 75103
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Vote
Subject: Bob/Spending
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 07:49:04

I think we will lose here. I heard on the radio that the good folks of
Maricopa county are willing to raise the sales tax 1/2 cent to build
those freeways that were supposed to be build for the last 1/2 cent sales
tax. Fools.

Message: 75104
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on homos
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 08:17:32

I guess it will always be debated on whether it's 'natural' or not. Me - I
will admit to not knowing. I don't care because I don't judge people by
what they do in their bedrooms - if it's an 'abomination', I can't do
anything about it. But a couple of things bother me ... you said in your
post to Dog that "You are obviously swallowing the abominable lies of the
homosexual community." (meaning Beau was swallowing, etc.) I thought on that
statement and wondered why the homosexuals would lie about such a thing?! To
condone their actions? But why would they want to have sex with the same sex
- live a life together - forfeit children - risk ridicule - have a tough
life all the way around if their wasn't some truth to it being at least
natural to some people??? Why are there SOOOO many homosexuals if it's so
un-natural? Seems to me a person would not go out of their way to choose a
life like that if they could help it? Years ago, when 'they were still in
the closet' I knew a couple of them that lived in a hotel where my mother
was a maid. I wasn't told why these men were considered 'different' because
parents didn't tell their kids such things way back then, but I knew what
they were, but I NEVER understood why they were that way. They were treated
so awful and I remember thinking why didn't they just act normal and all
hell wouldn't come down on them. To be truthful, it seemed like they
couldn't help it! Think about it Pauley. Why are there so many today? We
aren't talking about a handful. If it's so natural to have sex with the
opposite sex, why are so many so called homos turning to their own sex? 
I've wondered about this alot. (Cont.)

Message: 75105
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley, Cont.
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 08:28:08

Another thing that I have observed that we have touched lightly on here is
that animals will show a tendencey towards the same sex. I have seen monkeys
do it often and dogs more often. I don't know about other animals, but I
will say that it is very common with dogs. Now I feel that animals do 'what
is natural' - we are animals ........! See? I'm not saying I am right - I'm
just making some comments on the subject. To be honest, it makes more sense
that what the homos do is 'abnormal' if anything. If all people were that
way, the human race wouldn't last long would it? But that still leaves the
question on why there are so many. Is our warped society creating them?
Parents? Is it a rebellion? 
We all know where AIDS got started and it is thrieving, yet this has not
stopped them either. I just feel there is more to this issue than meets the
eye and that some of them, if not all of them just cannot 'quit that
sinning and abomination' at the snap of a finger.  *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75106
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger on polls
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 08:31:30

Don't you wish that just once you'd be ask your opinion on some poll, be it
a tax increase or whether you car pool it? I have NEVER been ask anything.
All that they ever do is 'tell me' what to do because someone else was
polled! Just once, I'd like to be asked. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75107
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mychele and others
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 09:32:04

I think you guys underestimate the threat of physical violence because
you've been lucky so far.

Message: 75108
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 09:41:11

I've long since abandoned the notion that anyone will ever change his mind
(or admit changing his mind) about any significant opinion during a BBS
argument.  People's opinions DO change, and these discussions can influence
the process, but I've never heard anyone say, "You know what?  You're right!
Your Ford really *IS* better than my Chevy.  I'm going to trade it in this
weekend!"
 
One rare exception was last week I heard a radio talk show host admit to a
caller that he was wrong.  I had to do a reality check to make sure it
wasn't one of my conscious dreams.

Message: 75109
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro/factoids
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 12:43:11

Those were interesting things to know, but they were all the more
interesting because they are (as far as I know) facts.  A factoid is
something rather more sinister: it's a statement that *resembles* a fact,
but isn't necessarily true (or if it is sort of true, then it's phrased in
such a way as to mislead the reader into making some additional false
assumption).  As used by admen, the media and so forth; and of course,
indispensable to politicians.

Message: 75110
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Michael
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 12:53:26

Knowing me for as long as you have and given my history, how can you say
that I've "been lucky so far"?
In any case, I think you both are too parinoid, but better safe than sorry. 
I don't think what Nick did was the safest, however.

Message: 75111
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Homosexuality
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 13:06:10

I was driving back to Phoenix from LA and listened to a talk show who had a
man who is a homosexual as the guest. It was one of the off-hours (like
Sunday afternoon) and the moderator was not out to drum up an audience...
So, I was treated to a real good view of a man, who despite all his good
efforts at becoming a "normal" heterosexual, understood his own sexuality
and had come to accept it even though he would have preferred to be
straight. It was clear that this man could not help but be what he was and
to call him an abomination in the sight of the Lord would be an abomination
itself. Listening to him, you could not help but have a great deal of
empathy for his plight --- if you had a speck of basic human decency.

Message: 75112
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Answer!
Subject: #75095&75109
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 18:04:47

Those facts came from The 1991 World Almanac.

Steve:  I checked the spelling.  It's "Equus hemianus."  I'm
probably missing some hilarious pun here, huh?

Gordon:  Yeah.  You're right.  "oid" is a Greek suffix
meaning "like."  Although I suppose facts are more like 
facts than anything else.

"'A tautology is a tautology' is a tautology" is not.

Message: 75113
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Tax Dollars at Play
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 18:12:47

In January, the speaker of the Tennessee House of 
Representatives banned liquor on the floor, cutting off the
tradition of cans of Donald Duck orange juice into which 
vodka had been poured.  Also prohibited were popcorn fights,
paperwad fights, pizza parties and naps.

Taipei police, wearing shields, were called to the 
parliament in December to quell a rumble on the floor which
was started when the opposition party's bill to reduce jail
sentences for anti-government protestors was defeated.  Tea
cups and fruit flew through the air, and furniture (including
many trash baskets and the speaker's chair) was heaved onto
the floor.

(I suspect these are factoids.)

Message: 75114
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Religion
Subject: The Bible
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 18:59:27

You're right, Paul.  That flaming homo Paul mentions homosexuality in the
New Testament.  He also hated women.  Paul obviously had troubles of his
own.  However, the subject is not treated in the Gospels.
 
As to Leviticus, well, they got LOTS of 'laws' wrong -- or do you follow
everything in that book as the literal, God-given law?
 
As to Genesis 19 (the story of Sodom & Gomorrah), the case can be made that
the "abomination" is homosexual rape.  It seems perfectly clear, however,
that heterosexual rape is quite OK.  Again, the old testament is a bit
out-of-touch with reality.
 
By the way, all of this is about male homosexuality.  What do you think the
Bible says about female homosexuality, and where does it say it?

Message: 75115
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Vote
Subject: handles
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 23:07:08

Well, it is about 3-2 in favor of allowing handles ( not counting the don't
cares).  Counting the don't cares, it is 54% for , and 37% for . This
would be called a landslide in an election.

Message: 75116
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Vote
Subject: Landslide?
Date: 05/13/91  Time: 23:36:47

        When there are that many users who don't like handles, this causes
me concern.  I myself oted for the use of handles, but with great
reservation.  Some handles fit users well, others don't.  Take Wild
Barbarian for instance....  I have known this guy for YEARS, and I don't see
the connection with his handle.  To me he is a pussy cat and a nice guy.
Apro Poet would not be the same under any other name.  Beauregard Dog, I am
so use too, if he used his real name, he would still be B-Dog to most of us.
Michael James will always be Head Quasar to us old timers on the BBS.

        I do not see it as a landslide...sorry!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 75117
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Vote
Date: 05/14/91  Time: 00:33:35

Then why didn't you say the vote had to be 100% for handles?

Message: 75118
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Homosexuals
Date: 05/14/91  Time: 00:41:27

My son had a friend whose parents are into Kundalinga (sp) Yogi.  Parents of
this belief system like to send their children to India for several years in
order for the children to be taught dicipline.

Well, my son's friend was sent there and when he came back he had a big
fight with his parents and soon moved out.  He told us that in India the
males are kept far away from the females until certain conditions are met.

He said that there were many boy who became homosexual in his group.

Besides that, take a male around the age of 12 and put him with other males
and keep him there for ten years.  I think this would cause homosexuality in
the strongest person although I also believe that somewhere in the processes
of engineering a baby that sometimes things don't always go as well as they
could and a homosexual is born.  What does it matter?

Message: 75119
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Religion
Subject: Bob
Date: 05/14/91  Time: 02:15:07

You point out that there were no laws on incest during the time of cain and
able.

Could there have been?
Should there have been?

And just why do we need laws to govern social contact?

Is it the goal of those born in the working class to become drones?  And
for whom?

It is a  person's right to improve conditions by any honest means
available.  When a man is looking for a thirty year job and knows he must
tow whatever "party line" is fed him or be evicted and starve, then that
man is bought and paid for, so to speak.

There are some dead-end jobs out there that will drive a person to drink,
religion or collecting empty toilet paper rolls.

We are the drones of many.

By an act of birth I was born into this class.  I don't mind dying in this
class but it is that which is in-between that's so important.

Message: 75120
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Question?
Subject: You
Date: 05/14/91  Time: 02:16:27

Why are houses so damn expensive and take so long to pay for?  Why do both
the father and mother have to work in order to make the mortgage payments,
leaving the children to be raised in a mill?

That's all folks.