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Apollo BBS Archive - May 29, 1998


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Message: 3525
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Unions/Ann
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 00:04:08

Ann your friend at the bank would have been better off if she had belonged
to a union. A union would not have allowed that to happen. Also if a worker
is not up to standards agreed upon by the union and the company, the company
can dismiss that employee. But they do have to prove that the employee is
not up to standards and that it is not the companys fault(lack of training,
poor supervision, etc). A very small percentage of unions may need to be
overhauled, but the vast majority or doing a good job. I feel if unions were
to disapear(sp) today, it would not be long before middle class America was
the smallest portion of our population. In other words we would have a very
large poor class slaving for a few rich cats, as Rod W. would say.
 
                                       <<< Joe >>>

Message: 3526
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 01:33:03

I agree that unions are good things, but they have suffered from several
flaws.  They have had corruption, an bad evaluation of what's in their best
interest (sometimes crippling a company) and the government coming in and
allowing them to exclude other workers.  I'm always a bit baffled by the
"scab" charges -- why is it that the union people have more of a right to
work than these poor unemployed saps who come in?

Message: 3527
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Joe/unions
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 07:30:57

In David's last post, he made a good point. When my husband worked in calif.
- it was compulsory to use union help on almost all of his big jobs. Even in
those days, he had to pay laborers $7.00 an hour and most were not worth it.
He could fire him and send for another, but here again, they must be union
and almost all, just didn't do a thing and my husband ended up doing their
work and paying the guy. A plumber wouldn't pick up a piece of scrap lumber
if he was standing on it (union rules) - an electrician wouldn't even help
you put a window in if the were sitting around and a laborer wasn't
available etc. etc. Not counting their inflated wages - union fees,
workman's comp. - insurance - this caused a job to become highly inflated.
All suffered - the contractor, the buyer and the owner. The project was
totally policed by the union too and one infraction, the the intire job
would come to a stand still. This means that if my husband couldn't get good
union help for a laborer and brought in someone else he knew that was - he
was punished. He also never found any 'top drawer' skilled workers either
from the union. They all had a tendency to sit around every time they could,
knowing they would be paid anyway. In the 1950s - in Colorado, my husband
did belong to the union. He even became recording secretary for his
district. He saw so much corruption, that he left and made better money on
his own eventually. All that money that is in reserve for the insurance is
not kept track of or is the dues. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3528
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Joe/again
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 07:49:30

I don't see why we have to have unions as they are now at least. Why can't
each individual be responsible for themselves? Lets say a plumber wanted
work - he charges $15 an hour - another might only ask for $13. HE has his
own resume of his skills and his own insurance. (proof of insurance when he
applied for the job - just like we must prove vehicle insurance now) Why, in
such cases, must the employer be responsible for all of this? Surely the guy
could adjust his wage price to include insurance. When he went to work for a
company (job) he could sign a paper stating that he was responsible. If
there was a union, then they would be responsible to go to the job site and
see that it was safe and keep checking on it as the job progressed. (for a
standard fee of course) Actually, it wouldn't be a union - but a business
for that purpose. The employer would have to have certain standards for the
job for protection of the men. (He may have insurance for himself too) This
would make the cost of a project considerable lower - thus lowering the
inflation of the country. A person could buy a house for instance at a
fairer price. All goods would go down. The unions were created to protect
the employee - but they are too over protected and the unions get fat -
therefore creating corruption. I agree with you that something is needed -
but the way it is now is hurting this country more than protecting the
workers! Any more comments? Do you have any ideas? =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3529
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Rebuttal
Subject: Rod/Lifestyle
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 12:40:48

  In America you don't have to live the way someone else chooses (by vote or
otherwise), that is the whole point of the country and always has been. If
you don't like that idea you are in the wrong country. America is based on
tolerance of differing opinions and lifestyles. Anyone who can't stand to
see someone else make their own choices has most of the rest of the world to
choose from and should not be trying to ruin this country for everyone else.
  Study the history and philosophy of the Western world (and America in
particular) with the same attention you give to Marx and Engels and you will
discover something infinitely more worthy of your affections.
  See you later,
     Dean H.

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Subject:Dean

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 1:        In America, unless you are wealthy, you must come up with huge sums 
 2:for housing, utilities, insurance and food.  If you can't or if you get sick
 3:or crippled, too bad.  This countries motto is not, "People Caring About 
 4:People", probably not in any other big country either.  
 5:        I just have to face the facts, I live in an illiterate world, where 
 6:the most intelligent species doesn't have enough sense to brush fire from 
 7:their heads.  
 8:                                Rod
 9:end

Message: 3531
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Unions
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 14:46:04

        I can see what Ann is saying, like a locksmith, we are independent
contractors and we go by our reputation and pricing.  I have to 'beat' work
off, (hey, that's the only thing I beat off) and get rid of clients.  
        I can see where dishwashers and all others, clerks, etc., can be
Independent contractors.  A person who is going to wash dishes in an
establishment, can agree to do the job for X, can have any other competent
person do his job for him on certain days.  If the person(s) do a bad job
then they lose the contract.  Repetitions would develop.  Same with clerks,
etc.  Unions cause inflated prices, a big waste of time and money.
                                Rod

Message: 3532
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/last
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:03:49

Good ideas Rod. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3533
Author: $ Peter Cervelli
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod and Wealth
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:33:18

Wealth is a measure of personal production.  No production equals no wealth.
Why on earth should we believe your nonsense and feel sorry for those who
have no wealth (those have produced nothing)?

Message: 3534
Author: $ Joe Bottomlee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Unions/Ann & Rod
Date: 05/30/88  Time: 01:10:53

Both of you were complaining about how companies were taking advantage of
their employees. I try to point out that if the employees form unions they
could protect themselves from such abuse. The unions are made up of elected
officials. If the members allow their leaders to put such a strain on the
company that it puts the company in jeopary(sp)(their jobs are at stake
too) then that is their fault.
 
                                       <<< Joe >>>

Message: 3535
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cervelli
Date: 05/30/88  Time: 01:43:33

        Something should be done to raise the lot of the poor and middle
income classes to reduce criminal activity.  It appears to me that the rich
are getting richer and the poor, poorer.  More prisons are not the answer.
        It must be made easier for someone to acquire a home that will, in
thier mind, be relatively secure.  This, in itself, will greatly reduce
tensions.  
        I still see the answer as something like the Jewish Kibbutzs (sp) or
the old W.P.A.  In fact, as I said before, Rajneesh had a basically good
idea, although I think his intentions were a little less than altruistic.
                                        Rod
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Message: 825
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last...sigh...
Date: 05/28/88  Time: 22:15:44

        If Rod's world came to be, I guess I would be in jail as I would
revolt and kill.... so therefore Rod's world could not exist!

Message: 826
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: For Sandy
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 08:54:25

                    A flag 'rippling' in the breeze'
 
               ( O )
                 ll
                 ll________________________________  "ripple"
                 ll* * * * * *#####################
     "ripple"    ll * * * * * ____________________l
 ____            ll* * * * * *#####################    ----____
          ---    ll * * * * *____"ripple"_________l
                 ll* * * * * *#####################   "ripple"
 "ripple"        ll * * * * * ____________________l
                 ll* * * * * *#####################    -----_--___
      "ripple"   ll * * * * * _____"ripple"_______l
---  _____       ll* * * * * *#####################
                 ll_"ripple"______________________l    ---___--__
                 ll################################
"ripple"         ll_______________________________l    "ripple"
                 ll##############"ripple"##########
                 ll_____"Burp!"___________________l
 ----_--__-      ll###############################    ---_-___-__
                 ll
                 ll
                 ll   ---   ___   ____------
You ask for it - you got it! =*--ANN--*=

Message: 827
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: Still Life
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:10:09

        _#_
        l l
        l l
        l_l
       /   \                                             ______
      /_____\                                            \--  /
     / VINO  \                                            \__/
     l_______l                  ______         ()()()      ll
     l--  -- l     ______       \-- _/      _()()()()()    ll
_____l --___ l_____\-- -/________\__/_______\         /____ll__________
     l_______l      \--/          ll         \_______/  (______)
                     ll           ll            _______
                     ll         __ll__         // -- __l
       /\          __ll__      (______)   ____//___--  l____
     ###          (______)               /   //________l   //
    #####                               /_________________//   _
   #######     /\                       l________________l/   (_)_
    #####     ##       ___________                 _       _    (_)
             ####     <__________##########      _(_)   _ (_) _
             ####                               (_)(_) (_) _ (_)
                                                          (_)
_______________________________________________________________________
 

Message: 828
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: Misc.
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:16:05

 
       ______
       l____l    <------- 'A brick from the 'Yellow Brick Road'!
 
   #
  _#_
  l l
  l_l  <--- 'A piano key from Bobby Short's piano when he played 'As
             Time Goes By' in Casablanca'!
 
 ___   <--- 'One of Rita Hayworth's hairs in Gilda'!
 
___
\  \
/   \
\_   \ <---- 'A piece of Marlon Brando's T-shirt form 'On The Water
   \_/        Front'!
 
    ______
   O____(_) <--- 'A Safty pin from Shirley Temple's diaper'!
 
     ___
    (_O_) <-- 'The eye Arnie cut out of himself in The Terminator'!
 

Message: 829
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Doodle
Subject: More Misc.
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:17:31

     . . .
     .. .. .  <---- 'A handful of dirt from Tara.!
       ..
 
       O_
   (((()   <--- 'A loon from 'On Golden Pond'!
     __
     \/  <-- 'A tooth from 'Jaws'!
 
 /\
 ll
 ll    <--- 'A minature rocket, part of the props from 'Star Wars'!
O  O
 
 "==o  <-- 'A flea from 'Benji'!
 
::::>  <--- 'A tip off Fred Astair's shoelace' that fell off while
             he was doing the 'Continental'!
 
   .    <--- 'A piece of lint from Cher's navel'!
 
  ()   <--- 'A drop of sweat from Sylvester Stalone while fighting
             Bigfoot in 'Rocky XVII'!
 

Message: 830
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last two
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:24:19

I have been collecting those things from the movie stars for several years
now and thought you might like me to share them with you. I have other
collections if you are interested. One though, would have to be shown on the
cos. sig. =*--ANN--*
P.S. The still life pix is also part of this collection too. It's from the
props of Ray Malland's in the 'Lost Weekend'! No, that's wrong - it's from
'The Days of Wine and Roses' movie. Sorry.

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Message: 652
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Hardware
Subject: Chinon disk drives
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 11:33:13

   On GEnie, there's been a bit of a discussion on defects in the
Chinon-brand disk drives installed in some 1040STs.  Appearently, it doesn't
report the write-protect status in a fashion that TOS expects, and thus disk
changes are not properly recognized -- sometime a disk change isn't reported
when there was one, and sometimes a disk change is reported when the disk
never left the drive.
   (A) Have you hear anything official from Atari on this?  The Atari guy on
GEnie keeps saying "contact your local dealer."
   (B) If not, what would it cost to exchange the Chinon drive for a new
one?  (You can reply to this in email, if you prefer).

   I'm getting quite tired of working around the disk-change bug, and I'd
like to get my 1040 fix.  I seem to be one of the lucky ones that ended up
with one of the bumpkus drives.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 653
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 12:20:17

        There never has been such a bulletin out on the Chinon drive, so I
know nothing about this.   Bring in your unit and show me the problem and we
will try another drive in it.....

Cliff

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Message: 52389
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Stooge Memorial
Date: 05/28/88  Time: 23:21:01

    PIES FLY AT ANNUAL "SHEMP FESTIVAL" IN LOUISIANA
 
  DONALDSONVILLE, La. (MARCH 22) AP - About 50 wise guys,
morons and knuckleheads took less than a minute to hurl 500
pies at the climax of a tribute to an underrated stooge.
  A few lamebrains showed up thinking it was another
Louisiana shrimp festival.  But it was actually the third
annual "Shemp Festival," cooked up by three bayou country
fans of The Three Stooges.
  Kirk Landry, 30, an assistant fire chief here, James B.
LeBlanc, 32, a mechanic, and Aaron Hebert, 32, originated 
the event as a tribute to Shemp Howard, who died in 1955.
  "We don't want to say that we like Shemp more than the
other stooges," Landry said.  "But it's just that he is the
most underrated."
  About 100 people attended the weekend festival.
  In addition to Sunday's "Moron Pie Throw," events included
a "Hoi Polloi Ball," a parade led by a slice-of-pie float
and the crowning of the pie queen, chosen for being "the
most snooty, upper crust socialite hag who degenerates
(during the festival) into the most drunken, heathenistic
slime."

Message: 52390
Author: Pam Pipal
Category: Answer!
Subject: Hey kurt
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 14:26:39

Please call me. I am at the Rim Club. I don't know these computer things!

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 1:        Christians as a rule have 'sheep' mentalities, they are usually 
 2:bigoted, fight among themselves on doctrine and expect (want) an all out, 
 3:global, thermal nuclear war so that their ridiculous, assisine, stupid, 
 4:uninterpitable, book of revelations can be fulfilled, thus making them 
 5:right.
 6:        The Christian mentality is sick and pea-brained to say the least.  I
 7:truly feel sorry for those who are afflicted by it.  They usually carry guns
 8:for protection, thus missing one of their saviors points.
 9:        They ignore passages that means they might have to give some comfort
10:up and usually stick with such sucky things as, "unless you believe in the 
11:son of god, you will surely go to hell."  This serves their narrow minds, 
12:convinced that unless others think like them, they will surely be punished 
13:forever.  
14:        If Jesus, the myth boy, did, in fact, die for OUR sins, then I wish 
15:the fuck he would have stayed dead.  That would mean, since these narrow 
16:minded xtians think that Jesus is also thier god, that both of them would 
17:have stayed dead and this world would be better for that.
18:        For anyone who may think that I am a satanist, I am not.  I am an 
19:atheist and as such I do not place blame on anyone for creating stupid 
20:individuals or a sucky world.
21:        Christians make me want to puke, however, in my compassion I truly 
22:feel sorry for them and can only hope that they will someday gain the 
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23:necessary understanding to be truly free of their sickness.   Rod
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Message: 1304
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Christians
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 14:59:36

        Christians as a rule have 'sheep' mentalities, they are usually
bigoted, fight among themselves on doctrine and expect (want) an all out,
global, thermal nuclear war so that their ridiculous, assisine, stupid,
uninterpitable, book of revelations can be fulfilled, thus making them
right.
        The Christian mentality is sick and pea-brained to say the least.  I
truly feel sorry for those who are afflicted by it.  They usually carry guns
for protection, thus missing one of their saviors points.
        They ignore passages that means they might have to give some comfort
up and usually stick with such sucky things as, "unless you believe in the
son of god, you will surely go to hell."  This serves their narrow minds,
convinced that unless others think like them, they will surely be punished
forever.  
        If Jesus, the myth boy, did, in fact, die for OUR sins, then I wish
the fuck he would have stayed dead.  That would mean, since these narrow
minded xtians think that Jesus is also thier god, that both of them would
have stayed dead and this world would be better for that.
        For anyone who may think that I am a satanist, I am not.  I am an
atheist and as such I do not place blame on anyone for creating stupid
individuals or a sucky world.
        Christians make me want to puke, however, in my compassion I truly
feel sorry for them and can only hope that they will someday gain the
necessary understanding to be truly free of their sickness.   Rod
 

Message: 1305
Author: $ Peter Cervelli
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Rod Williams
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:36:22

Ho-hum.

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Subject:Peter

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 1:        I just had to get it out of my system, again.  Now it is out and I, 
 2:once again, feel fine.
 3:        This board is great for expression.

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Message: 1447
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Yawn...
Subject: Taranto
Date: 05/26/88  Time: 23:04:43

Ahhh Shaddap!

Message: 1448
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: war
Date: 05/28/88  Time: 23:40:07

Funny.... They were ready to throw the book at us until you showed up and
showed them they had no case. 

Thanks Mike!

Innocent little me....

Message: 1449
Author: $ Mike Howerton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 02:09:35

The guy tried to tell me that if it went into the court room that
it might prove to be embarassing to the two of us.
I tried to explain to him that I didn't say anything here on the
board that was untrue or that I wouldn't say to you face.
He just didn't understand. Oh well, no biggie. I had things to 
do that day anyway.

Message: 1450
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 05/30/88  Time: 00:37:06

whatever....
The only way it could have happened better was for him to drop the whole
ridiculous charge then, instead of waiting 6 months to do it.

Innocent little me....

Message: 1451
Author: $ Traci Sibel
Category: Night-Life
Subject: hmmm..
Date: 05/30/88  Time: 00:45:58

Actually, since you can't prove I did anything against the law, I can sue
you for slander (or libel, whatever) and defamation of character since I
am innocent (and the very same court you tried to accuse me of wrongdoing
in, recognizes this fact, also). 

Any lawyers out there want to make a fast buck?

Innocent little me...

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 1:        Just sue him for Sibel.

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Message: 1361
Author: $ Mike Howerton
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: did you know
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 02:11:46

that if you stay up late at night and call people with your 
computer and don't identify yourself, you will go to court and 
have your hands slapped??

Message: 1362
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 04:39:34

What's your number?

Message: 1363
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff on dream
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 09:02:01

Would you believe that I knew you'd interpret that dream like that! Do you
want me to buy the Sanyo stuff first or go on the smoking campaine first? Ha
- I think I know that answer too! 
Actually, I interpreted the dream myself - Nick was dressed in his usual
black and I have a thing about priests and .......

Message: 1364
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 14:22:04

Maybe you'd like me to hear your confession?

Message: 1365
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Father Nick
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:08:17

Yes! Father forgive me for I have sinner. Just the other night I peeled all
my clothes off - lit a candle and when it got nice and warm, with the tallow
running down the sides, Satan came into my soul and I couldn't help it, but
I had to .....

Message: 1366
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 05/29/88  Time: 18:51:40

see if Father Nick wears black underwear...

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Subject:Nick

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 1:        I heard that Nick had a tatoo of Satan, five inches below his naval,
 2:but I don't know if it is true.