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Apollo BBS Archive - May 24, 1998



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Message: 3490
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod/Pete's F & C
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 02:10:34

Actually you are wrong on berating Pete's Fish and Chips.  Unless the
organization has changed since Pete Grant died, they pay a bit more than
minimum wage.  I think they generally start at $5 an hour, and are given
raises as performances goes up.  The managers are in on profit sharing. 
Some make upwards of $100,000 a year.   

Some companies can and do treat their employees better.  I think they get
better work, and actually get more than their moneys worth.

Message: 3491
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike on Rod
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 08:33:22

What a sweet post! I see you took the course -'How to win friends and
influence people'! You were so nice and pleasent. I would truly like to meet
you and see how long your fangs are! See you. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3492
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: On Rod
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 08:34:21

Rod is right - your missing his points! Again! =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3493
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT / Jobs
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 09:07:33

  I am aware of the supply/demand comprimise.  It is not quite that simple
when the supplied item is an essential item, and the more essential that
item is, the more skewed the supply/demand balance gets.  To use your
example, a shirt is an essential item for me.  If shirts sell for $20, I
must pay $20, whether I want to or not, and no matter how badly paying the
$20 hurts.  Since shirts are widely available in reality, this example is a
bit simplistic.
  To expand this to jobs:  A job is, at least as far as I'm concerned, an
essential item.  I MUST have a job.  If the only job available open to me
pays $4, I have to take the $4.  I can't hold out for more -- they won't
give it, since someone a bit more desperate will take the $4.  Employers
have considerable control over their employees, and that increases as you
get closer to the bottom of the pay scale.  The main problem is that it
takes time to find a job, and people at low wages have little or no savings.
They can't tollerate any missed paychecks since their pay is spent almost as
soon as they get the check.  Given this, an employer can hold the threat of
firing over his employees head, and make them do pretty much whatever he
wants, at whatever wage he wants.  If the employee doesn't like it, he CAN'T
"just go get another job" because of the time (and lost wages due to
unemployment) that that takes.  I was able to switch jobs because working
weekends enabled me to find a new job before my employer found out I was
looking.  He did find out after, though, and fired me on the spot.  That
cost me about $200 in lost wages.  I was able to borrow enough to carry me


Message: 3494
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: more
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 09:12:41

through to the first paycheck on the new job.  If I had worked 9 to 5 days,
and had no one to borrow from, I would have been in deep $#!+.
  There ARE companies that more directly reward their employees.  In
addition to or in place of a salary, they pay commsisions, productivity
bonuses (I get those), or let their employees collect tips.  As for a purely
sharing business, I believe that the Changing Hands Bookstore in Tempe is
run that way.  I have heard that the owner is a dyed-in-the-wool socialist,
and runs his store that way.  (This is word of mouth -- I don't know this
personaly).  The store has been there for a number of years, and seems to be
doing well.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
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 1:        Yeah, we are a nation of economic slaves.  Of course there are some 
 2:masters who are nice to their slaves but for the most part it is still 
 3:slavery.
 4:                                Rod
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Message: 3496
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Alan
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 20:43:47

Your statement that "Since to 'leave it' means you'll starve" is rather
silly.  Clearly you left it, and while you are rather skinny, you seem to be
doing quite well -- and all with a small investment in a tie.  And what
option do you offer?  Forcing Circle K to pay more, thus forcing people who
are quite willing to work at those wages into starvation?
JT is correct; you don't understand the price system and its immense power
in conveying information.

Message: 3497
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 22:48:46

  How can you expect us to have a sense of kinship with each other when
there are stark raving lunatics among us demanding that we live on an acre

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Message: 3498
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann/Rod
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 22:57:16

  Rods point is that human beings should be completely different than they
are. No one has missed that, we just don't see any particular value in
raving about it. His solution to all problems is to pretend that the human
race is completely different than it actually is and throw out all the
workable aspects of modern civilization in favor of the failed policies of
all the wretched communists who came before him.
  See you later,
     Dean H.

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 1:        If what you and JT are saying, our system is running as it should, 
 2:great.  I am happy to live in a perfect, well running system.
 3:        I wouldn't change a thing.
 4:        It must be that people aren't perfect, that's it.
 5:                                Rod
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Message: 814
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod W./verse
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 08:39:26

I don't know how it goes exactly - but I like the one where old Noah gets
drunk! He couldn't take the stress of all the animal 'clean-up'! So, he runs
off the Ark - plants a vinyard - makes wine and get soused! =*--ANN--*=

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 1:        "When you pray, go into your closet, do not stand in the square and 
 2:make long winded prayers like the hypocrites do."
 3:end

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Message: 52325
Author: $ Mark Adkins
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: .
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 02:53:18

Shutup Williams, you are scum.  If you're trying to further provoke me,
you're doing a fine job.
California is not that far away, Taranto.

Message: 52326
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 05:49:06

Certainly I recognize and readily admit that people are indeed different,
Ann. THere are those who can read a clinical report on the most dangerous
affliction that besets mankind today, and heed the warning, and avoid
further contact with the acknowledged source of that affliction. THen there
are those who, when the facts are laid before them in the simplest of terms,
(i.e. smoking IS hazardous to your health, smoking IS addictive, smoking
causes more deaths in the U.S. than any other single source, etc.) refuse to
open their eyes or their minds, except to deny truth and justify their own
weaknesses, and insist that they "enjoy" killing themselves.
 I have an acquaintence, in his mid-40s, who is dying of emphesyma, a
smoking caused disease that literally takes his breath away. The disease,
once contracted by the smoker, is incurable. It is also terminal. THis is
just one of many diseases that have been scientifically and medically
attributed to smoking. There are many other facts concerning the negative
results of the tobacco habit, but I'm sure that you have heard them all, and
have probably qualified each one as something that happens only to "the
other guy". I've got news for you, dear Ann. The theory stinks. If you
continue to dance tothe tune, sooner or later, you will have to pay the
piper. Good luck. You'll need it!

Message: 52327
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod Williams
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 06:01:14

Your stress/drug theory is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have heard in
years. Pardon my French, but you are so far out of line as to be totally
ridiculous!
 EVERYBODY is under stress in this world! Most of it, if we want to be
perfectly honest, is self-inflicted, but a lot of it is also
society-induced, but we all suffer stress to one degree or another. Still,
MOST people DO NOT turn to drugs (tobacco and alcohol included) for relief.
Most people, when the stresses of the circumstance begin to weigh heavily on
them, do somthing to alter the circumstance. Situations are made to be
changed, and should be looked on as a challenge to do something different or
better, and not an excuse to run away in the temporary euphoria of a drug
induced, mind altering condition.
 A REAL parent, who has raised his children properly, can look them in the
eye today, and assure them that, while the world is not always a fair place,
or even a very nice place, they have been prepared to face the problems that
will beset them with the confidence and wisdom and strength to overcome and
gain the victory over obstacles and circumstances that coul otherwise cause
them to fall. 
 We are not going to change the world Rod. The best we can do for the next
generation is teach them how to overcome the adversities they will face, not
by hiding or running, but by facing up to their responsibilities, and coming
out winners. THAT, my friend, is the best contribution YOU can make to the
future. Stop alibying that for which there is no excuse, and stress personal
responsibility, and accountability for one's actions.

Message: 52328
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cli

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 1:        I see you have not spent much time in the ghetto.  Yeah, right, 
 2:those people just have to 'snap' their fingers or wiggle their noses and a 
 3:beautiful fairy godmother appears, ready to grant them three wishes.  
 4:        You've had a cushy job for 20 years but many are struggeling.  Have 
 5:you ever drank alcohol or smoked cigarettes when under stress?
 6:                                Rod
 7:end

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Message: 52328
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/smoking
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 08:13:22

* OK! I'll quit! =*--ANN--*=

*Someday!. Hahaha only kidding. All youse guys are quite convincing.
(cough)

Message: 52329
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod/stress
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 08:23:39

You may be right about stress and using drugs. All drug use is up from 40
years ago and life was certainly less stressful than it is today. Paul is
right - but it doesn't work for everyone. Drugs is an easy way to relieve
stress (it might not really be doing it, but if the user thinks it is - then
it is!) As far as alcohol is conserned - I simply like it and drink for no
other reason than that. I don't like beer or wine, but whiskey is a treat
for me. I also like to get high on it but not drunk - which is a total waste
of good booze. It doesn't truly relieve stress though in the long run,
because usually a drinker will figure if a little bit works, a whole lot
should clear up any problems that person may have. Thus, creating more of a
problem. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 52330
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/drinking
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 08:24:40

I know you quit smoking - but do you not take a drink now and then?
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 52332
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Paul
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 10:48:59

        I see you have not spent much time in the ghetto.  Yeah, right,
those people just have to 'snap' their fingers or wiggle their noses and a
beautiful fairy godmother appears, ready to grant them three wishes.  
        You've had a cushy job for 20 years but many are struggeling.  Have
you ever drank alcohol or smoked cigarettes when under stress?
                                Rod

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 1:        We have a complete looney here, Mark has not only threatened the 
 2:life of two of my daughters but he has threatened the life of about six 
 3:people.  
 4:        I believe he is serious and I have documented voice tapes and 
 5:letters to prove it.  Some of us carry weapons and know how to defend 
 6:ourselves.
 7:                                Rod
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Message: 52334
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: LAST
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 13:29:06

     I think it is a wickedly gut-busting put-on.  He still has $tatus,
right?  Very dry humor, I would suspect.

Message: 52335
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Rod/Adkins
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 14:13:03

Marks "Good-bye" message (msg # 52308) is hardly a "Death Threat on Six
People"...?   What are you trying to do Rod, cause un-needed "STRESS" on the
users?  First off, the Joke on Mark was in poor taste from what I
understand.  Of course Mark is going to be upset, but he is leaving the
system (so he has told me in mail)... so why don't you guys let it drop
rather then add to the hysteria!

I feel bad that we have lost a major contributor on Apollo's talk boards,
but I am powerless to un-do the damage done.

SYSOP Cliff
P.S.  Peter, Mark wants his $tatus removed, but I am advising him to retain
it as to keep other users from using his name in a cruel way.

Message: 52336
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Tru Fax
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 17:31:57

  Pauline Davis of Ontario, Canada, believed she was the 
woman referred to in the Book of Revelation, chapter 12, of
the Bible - "a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon 
under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head."
  In May of 1983, Davis, then forty-one, began living in a
New York park because, according to Scripture, "the woman
fled into the wilderness where she hath a place prepared of
God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred
and threescore days."  Davis considered it a bid for world
peace.
  For the next three years, reported the *Toronto Star*, 
area residents often saw Davis "standing on islands in the
middle of expressways or bridges, dressed in a white gown,
waving a white flag, and wearing a crown of stars 
representing the twelve tribes of Israel.
  "Davis has survived bitter winters and floods, as well as
assaults by vandals, rats, and insects while living in a
series of canvas and plastic shelters alongside the Don 
River....  She was even burned out this summer."
  However, at the end of "a thousand two hundred and 
threescore days," nothing happened and Davis ended her vigil.
  "I just need a couple of days to get myself together." She
said.  "I'm getting too old; I can't stay here without a
reason."

Message: 52337
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hathaway/Guns
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 19:25:53

  I agree with Pat Paulson on this:  guns -- all guns -- should be legal. 
We should just keep people from buying bullets, and all will be well.

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Message: 52338
Author: $ Steve MacGregor
Category: War!
Subject: Drugs
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 19:28:20

  The "war on drugs", I predict, will take off eventually when people get
fed up with nothing happening, and begin forming vigilante groups.  Later,
when pushers are found nailed to telephone poles or dropped into brickyards
from helicopters, some of the dealers will decide to change lines of work.

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Message: 52339
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Adkins
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 20:29:23

Mark, I'm hoping you log on at least once more to see this.  I don't think
you should leave the system because of this.  There were very few people
involved in the prank, and of those of us who heard it, did it occur to you
that we didn't tell you because we didn't want your feelings hurt?  When
Hawley first told me about it, he didn't present it as something hilarious,
but rather as a practical joke (of the sort you both pulled on one another)
gone bad.  That's why he played only a portion of the tape for me.  He only
did that because Christian got mail from you when I was at Rod's, and she
was talking to Hawley about it.  I kept hassling them until they told me.
I figured Hawley would just erase the tape and that would be the end of
it, but unfortunately the story spread through a couple of other people.
In any case, it isn't you who looks bad in all of this.  Moreover, I think
the majority of the Apollo users don't want to see you go (in fact, I doubt
any of them do). I am sorry I didn't tell you about it, but thought it would
be better if you never knew about it.

Message: 52340
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 22:10:35

I *did* tell him, and look where it got me.

Message: 52341
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod/Drugs
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 22:37:52

  In places like Russia where the stresses you mention have been dealt with
by the type of system you are advocating people drink, snort, and inject
themselves to death at a pretty good clip. Face it, stress is just another
excuse for doing something stupid people would have done anyway.
  See you later,
     Dean H.

Message: 52342
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: MacGregor/Bullets
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 22:44:33

  Go ahead, I make my own ammo, so does Cliff, and so do thousands of other
people. I can make ammo a lot easier than I could make a gun. Seriously
though, do you really believe that such a move could ever be forced on the
people of the United States for long or that it would have anything but
negative effects if it were? Ammunition could be obtained by criminals
through all sorts of means and again it would be only the law abiding
citizen who was made to suffer.
  See you later,
     Dean H.

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 1:        I have documentation that shows Adkins threatened the life of 
 2:various people.  Adkins seems full of hate and it seems to be consuming his 
 3:brain.  When I get mad, it usually lasts several days at most.  I am not mad
 4:at Adkins or anyone else, I just feel very sorry for him.  
 5:                                Rod
 6:P.S.  Adkins' short circuited brain arbitrarily decided who was guilty and 
 7:who was not.  Those found guilty are subject to his sick wrath.  I am 
 8:totally innocent in this prank and he has done violence to me with his 
 9:innuendos and threats.  
10:        In my life I have met two really sick people, one was a guy named 
11:Paul who I had admitted to St. Lukes Medical Center, Mental Health Ward, the
12:other is Mark Adkins.  I have letter from him that are so gross that I feel 
13:very sad when I read them.

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 1:        There are many reasons why people take drugs and I really didn't 
 2:mean to imply that stresses where the only reason.  Many start using them 
 3:while teenagers from peer pressure and just continue with them.  Movies have
 4:led a lot of people to drugs, most especially alcohol and tobacco from the 
 5:flicks of the fifties.
 6:        I would say that a person from a broken home may try heroin and sees
 7:that it takes the pain away and may then become physically addicted.  I 
 8:don't know, I'm pretty tired right now.....hmmmm, where did I put that coke?
 9:                                Rod