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Message: 3474
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod/Wages
Date: 05/22/88  Time: 23:38:20

  What kind of talent does it take to work at Circle K? You have to be able
to make change, push a broom, stock shelves, and push lottery tickets. The
company probably provides the highly technical training required to operate
the coffee and popcorn machines themselves. You and I could do this work
quite easily. The clerks at Circle K could not do either your job or mine
because they have not invested the time and money it takes to learn them.
That is why we don't have to work as hard and still make more than they do.
Our labor is worth more because we accomplish a much more knowledge
intensive task which a far smaller number of people are capable of learning
or performing.
  Even though places like Circle K provide the tremendous service of
employing many unskilled workers, that is not the reason they exist. Those
jobs were created because someone risked an investment to create them.
If you increase the risk to that investment by forcing them to distribute
a percentage of the gross to non-investors against their will and
regardless of profit/loss and cost/benefit considerations then the result
will be a reduction in such investment and the resulting jobs.  
  Incidentally, in order to be chattel the clerks would have to be owned by
Circle K. Since Hamilton once worked there and now speaks freely about
them we can assume that their employees retain their rights as citizens.
  See you later,
     Dean H.

Message: 3475
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Hathaway
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 00:47:17

Excellent points.  There is something to be said for profit-sharing in some
cases (and it is always available as an option to anyone who works for a
company that is publicly held).  But to force it on companies raises all the
problems you mentioned.  There is another problem, too:  what if the company
loses money?  Should the employees be required to absorb the loss?  (This is
also an interesting problem with Marx's labor theory of value.)

Message: 3476
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Question?
Subject: Hamilton/Circle K
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 04:12:04

They would fire you?  That is a pretty strange policy.  As Rod said, we
sometimes go up at a little before 1am, and watch all the people try to rush
and buy alcohol.  Of course the more fun cases are at 1:01 when the severely
drunk people try to argue with the clerk.  

But sometimes after all the 'crazies' had left I would talk to the clerk,
and she told me that she had gotten robbed two or three times.  They even
had what looked like a small speaker, but was actually a small camera that
the clerks would have to activate when they got robbed.

Obviously Circle K is getting what they pay for.  I don't think that they
can get truly good workers if they aren't willing to pay appropriately.  I
think they used to require all workers to take polygraph test before they
would hire you.  In most cases the manager of the store doesn't get over
$6.50an hour!

Message: 3477
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Last....
Subject: Circle K
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 07:53:12

   I believe it is official comapany (here it comes) "Policy" to fire
employees on duty during a theft, in case they were an acomplice to the
robber.  Not all managers carry this policy out, though.  I do know of one
person that was notified of her firing while she was still in the hospital,
from injuries she got when the robber beat her.
   I didn't work for Circle K -- I worked for an independent, mostly on
weekends.  Three shifts usualy; Friday and Saturday graveyard, and Sunday
afternoon.  It was fun, shooing out the drunks that staggered in after 1am.
   I didn't get my current job because of an investment in education and
training -- I got it because I "exagerated" on my application, and wore a
nice tie to the interview.  They never knew the difference.
   My complaint with convienence store wages is that they bear no relation
to either the cost to the employee of providing his services, or to the
amount of profit generated by the employee.  It's just a rather arbitrary
figure set by management, take it or leave it.  Since to "leave it" means
you'll starve, most have little choice but to take it.  I sure didn't -- I
had 15 days to get a job, or I'd be on the street.  I had no car, and had
already sold everything of value I had.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
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Message: 3478
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: C-Kay
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 11:48:12

        If there were no LOW end jobs to fill in between the bigger jobs,
then you Mr A-L-A-N would not have gotten the job when you needed it so
badly.  Instead of being thankfull you found a fill in job to keep you off
the street, you curse it....????  
        Ya just can't please Elves nowdays... tisk tisk tisk...

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 1:        It takes talent to deal with people.  I think a store should be run 
 2:like a ship, everyone sharing in the profits as well as the hardships.  If 
 3:there is a loss then the employees had better tighten up and try harder.  
 4:(Err...pirate ship)
 5:        Workers should have pride in their employment and run it together 
 6:like a big family.  A single entity should not get the lions share of the 
 7:profits, being able to live like a king while his employees struggle for the
 8:necessities.  
 9:        You are correct Dean, they aren't chattel, we rent or lease 
10:ourselves out, usually to the highest bidder.
11:        We live in a cold country as far as employment goes.  Too bad.  But 
12:I guess it's okay as long as Eller goes to church regularly and gives to the
13:poor.
14:        Just joking.
15:                                Rod
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Message: 3479
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: CK
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 13:51:34

        It takes talent to deal with people.  I think a store should be run
like a ship, everyone sharing in the profits as well as the hardships.  If
there is a loss then the employees had better tighten up and try harder.  
(Err...pirate ship)
        Workers should have pride in their employment and run it together
like a big family.  A single entity should not get the lions share of the
profits, being able to live like a king while his employees struggle for the
necessities.  
        You are correct Dean, they aren't chattel, we rent or lease
ourselves out, usually to the highest bidder.
        We live in a cold country as far as employment goes.  Too bad.  But
I guess it's okay as long as Eller goes to church regularly and gives to the
poor.
        Just joking.
                                Rod

Message: 3480
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Rebuttal
Subject: Last
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 18:30:19

You're such an ignoramus, Williams.
I'm still suprised that you even have the brain power to operate a
telephone in order to call this BBS.
If one person gets the Lion's share (as you put it) of the profits from any
company, that is their property and burden. THEIRS alone.
No-one has the right to forcefully by any means to steal or however take
away those gains from said individual. Private ownership is the fundemental
basis of Capitalism. If you had 3 apples and I had only one, is it my RIGHT
to take one of yours to make it equal? Maybe in your lepers soup Government,
but here it is survival of the fittest. That can be harsh and cruel in many
ways but it has just as many redeeming features if not more than Communism.
You're the type of Hypocritical loony tune that goes around blubbering about
the poor and pitiful, always saying the grass is greener on the other side.
Yet you do ***NOTHING*** to absolve these self acclaimed   
woes of society. You're a PIG CAPITALIST Rod, self loving whore of
materialistic wealth compared to millions of others in this World.
It's not the ugly coat of hypocrasy that makes you stink, it's the
self indulgent deliberate idiocy you inflict upon yourself like an
Ostrich burying its head in the sand.
 
Go suck an egg, A$$HOLE.                        -Mike

Message: 3481
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Hamilton
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 19:46:08

You object to convenience store wages because they are not determined by
the "cost to the employee of providing his services" or "the amount of
profit generated by the employee."  Obviously you lack the most basic
understanding of how prices are set in a free market.

Suppose a clothing store has a shirt that sells for $20.  You pay $20 for
the shirt.  That means (1) the shirt is worth at least $20 to you, and (2)
the shirt is worth $20 or less to the store.  When prices are set freely,
rather than dictated by government, they represent a compromise between
the needs of buyers and sellers.  If no one is willing to buy the shirt for
$20, the store will lower its price.  If demand for shirts is high, the
store may raise its price.  Success in a free market is determined by how
well you meet the needs of others:  if consumers like the shirt, the store
will sell more of them at higher prices.

It is no different with labor.  When you take a job, the wages you are paid
are a compromise between you and your employer.  Your employer is willing to
pay you less than the maximum he could pay you and still break even.  You
are willing to work only for more than your time and effort are worth to
you.  When you agree with your employer on the terms of your employment,
neither of you is gaining at the expense of the other:  it is a mutually
beneficial exchange--and one that is based precisely on the factors you
mentioned:  the profitability to the employer and the cost to the employee
of working.

Message: 3482
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 19:47:26

A store ought to be run like a ship, eh?  OK, why don't you start a store of
your own and try running it like "a ship" and see how well it does.  (I
would be interested in seeing how many employees you are able to attract
with the promise that they will have to absorb your losses if you're
unsuccessful).

Message: 3483
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: JT/Marx
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 21:46:19

  I think Marx went so far wrong in assigning no value to the management
segment of business that no other fault is really needed to make the
whole economic philosophy worthless. Management not only assumes the
risks, but it makes the whole enterprise possible through creative acts
which can not come from the labor segment.

  See you later,
     Dean H.

Message: 3484
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod/Wages
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 21:47:09

  In your system would everyone share the profits and hardships equally,
would each be rewarded according to their contributions, or would each be
rewarded according to their needs?

  See you later,
     Dean H.

Message: 3485
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 01:29:37

        How did you find out, who told you?, my daughter, Busy dials the
phone for me.  Hmmmm, who is the R-a-t?

Message: 3486
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 01:31:56

        Any may ye have lots of children.  Odds are that some of them will
be bag people, some will have their house repossessed and most of them will
be minimun hourly employees of Pete's Fish and Chips.
                                Me

Message: 3487
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: JT/Ship
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 01:35:11

        I have trained no less than nine locksmiths.  Each locksmith reaps
what he sows.  I take nothing and this is how it should be.
        Some people are willing to work for $hit wages because they are in
desparate need of that second job in order to make ends meet.  

Message: 3488
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Dean
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 01:45:17

        I would say that each person needs a home and at least one acre of
land.  I would say that they need enough food for everyone in their family
to maintain on.  I think that hardships should be shared by all.  
        I think it is too  bad that people need stupid rules and regulations
in order to live by instead of a sense of kinship with each other.
        I think this world is ignorant of basic friendship to its members. 
I would sure hate to have my space ship crash land on this planet and have
to spend more than a week getting it repaired.  I doubt I would even survive
that long, to tell the truth, I would be shot on sight.
        Most people on earth are either into a religion or a cause like the
KKK or both.  Reagan (our president) even said that he believes armageddon
will come real soon.  This was the president of the United States talking. 
What does that say for our people?, Not much.  Swaggart and Roberts are
still collecting millions.  What does that say for us?  Very little.
        We live in a cess pool of ignorance.  Do you doubt this?
                                See you later,
                                Rod

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Message: 812
Author: $ Rod Bias
Category: Review/Critique
Subject: Bible
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 00:54:09

Good start.  You really are an expert on the Bible aren't you?
But I thought this was supposed to begin at dawn.
     
What's you next favorite verse?

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Message: 459
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Answer!
Subject: Last
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 11:18:52

Okay.

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Message: 52303
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Illuminatus
Date: 05/22/88  Time: 20:59:44

  "Authority?"  I asked, realizing I'd lost something along
the way.  We were slowing to a walk, the action was behind 
us.
  "A is not A," Hagbard explained with that tiresome 
patience of his.  "Once you accept that A *is* A, you're
hooked.  Literally hooked, addicted to the System."
  I caught the reference to Aristotle, the old man of the
tribe with his unfortunate epistemological paresis, and also
to that feisty little lady I always imagine is really the
lost Anastasia, but I still didn't grok.  "What do you 
mean?"  I asked, grabbing a wet handkerchief as some of the
teargas started to drift to our end of the park.
  "Chairman Mao didn't say half of it," Hagbard replied
holding a handkerchief to his own face.  His words came 
through muffled: "It isn't only political power that grows
out of the barrel of a gun.  So does a whole definition of
reality.  A set.  And the action that has to happen on that
particular set and on none other."
  "Don't be so bloody patronizing," I objected, looking
around a corner in time and realizing this was the night I
would be Maced.  "That's just Marx: the ideology of the
ruling class becomes the ideology of the whole society."
  "Not the ideology.  The Reality." he lowered his 
handkerchief. ...

Message: 52304
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Illuminatus
Date: 05/22/88  Time: 21:09:33

"This was a public park until they changed the definition.
Now the guns have changed the Reality.  It *isn't* a public
park.  There's more than one kind of magic."
  "Just like the Enclosure Acts," I said hollowly.  "One day
the land belonged to the people.  The next day it belonged 
to the landlords."
  "And like the Narcotics Acts," he added.  "A hundred
thousand harmless junkies became criminals overnight, by Act
of Congress, in nineteen twenty-seven.  Ten years later, in
thirty-seven, all the pot-heads in the country became 
criminals overnight, by Act of Congress.  And they really
were criminals, when the papers were signed.  The guns prove
it.  Walk away from those guns, waving a joint, and refuse
to halt when they tell you.  Their Imagination will become
your Reality in a second."
  And I had my answer to Dad, finally, just as a cop jumped
out of the darkness screaming something about freaking
motherf*cking fag commies and Maced me, as was certain to
happen (I knew it as I crumpled in pain) on that set.

Message: 52305
Author: John Jensen
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: DRUGS
Date: 05/22/88  Time: 21:53:07

Why shouldn't Pot be legalized? No research has conclusevly shown Pot to be
even near as harmfull alcohol, tobacco, or even overeating or any other
addiction.  tobacco kills more people than all illegal drugs combined!  So
does alcohol!  On the other hand, the commercial values of Pot are flat
astonishing!  Pot is hemp.  Hemp can be made into paper, rope, or clothes. 
It makes a fine grade paper and the raw material in five times greater
abundance per acre! - with lower harvesting cost.  This would provide an
enormous boost to the economy.
Why not?  I can tell you.  Many Immigration officials and diplomatic
curriers would lose money in bribes and distribution profits!
JOHN
JENSEN

Message: 52306
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Tonights
Date: 05/22/88  Time: 23:27:41

        It was fun, saw the film on the rocket.  It lasted longer than the
rocket GT.   After eating at Ed D's, I called Nick a "BUM" and left in a
"HUFF".

Cliff

(just kidding) about Nick that is!

Message: 52307
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rocket GT final
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 04:15:32

I hear Nick is buying some waitress at Ed Devebic's a new car.  What a guy!

Message: 52308
Author: $ Mark Adkins
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Goodbye
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 04:34:29

This is to terminate my status (and any other) membership of Apollo BBS.
Why should I waste my time around a group which is largely comprised of
malicious, backstabbing, honorless people?
    Recently, certain intimate telephone conversations of mine were taped,
without my knowledge or consent, and then played for the amusement of
others.  Those people who committed and facilitated this act, and who were
not a party to the conversation, have committed a criminal act.  This, in
and of itself, is insignificant.  More importantly, they betrayed my trust
and whatever degree of friendship I had previously offered.
Of the people who listened to this tape, or had knowledge of its existence,
and who did not notify me, as they should have, I give you my utter
contempt.  These people include David Burkhart, and James Taranto, and also
Nick Ianuzzi, who was present in Jasmine Williams' shop, where and at the
time, one of the recordings was made.  
    To those actively participating, which definately include James Hawley,
Christian and Eve Williams, I want you to know that you will be dealt with
somewhat more severely.  I think I've made myself clear on that, but in case
there is some doubt or ambiguity present in your minds, let me make it a
matter of public record.
It was poor judgement indeed for you to have chosen me to match malicious
wit against.  Life is short and sweet; enjoy it.

Message: 52309
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: "Unholy" Ann
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 06:03:06

Don't come on tome with that line of garbage Ann! All you are trying
(unsuccessfully) to do is justify your miserable addiction to a drug that
has no function other than your early termination, and you know it in your
heart! 
 You bet your bippie I'm a militant ex-smoker, and ex-drinker! One who cares
enough about YOU to at least try to jar some sense into your head. WHen I
quit both, about 15 years ago, I had a 32 year old habit of 3 1/2 packs a
day, and a slightly younger habit of somthing averaging a case of 16 oz.
bottles of beer a day. I was 40 years old, an emaciated 125 lbs., never had
to worry too much about a hangover (I had a constant blood alcohol level),
and really "enjoyed" the fringe benefits of my smoking habit. THings such as
the racking cough in the night that usually wound up in gagging until my
last beer almost came up, and the cigarette burn holes in so may of my
clothes, to say nothing of the furniture, carpet, etc. as well as the fact
that even my best friends who were non smokers always tried their best to
sit downwind, due to the "lovely" fragrance that always emanates from the
heavey smoker, even though the smoker doesn't realize it.
So go ahead Ann. Keep on telling yourself those lies about how much pleasure
those little cancer sticks give you, and keep on ignoring all the real FACTS
concerning the ingestion of all that poison into your system. I'm sure that
your loved ones will enjoy your slow but sure decline into oblivion while
they stand by helplessly, watching your self destruction.
(Fact- it's harder to quit nicotine than it is to quit mainline heroin. Ask
any junkie! I'e heard that from their own lips!)

Message: 52310
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann, again
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 06:58:24

You stated in a more recent message to Clif that you too enjoy the smell of
the fresh air when you go to the mountains.
Sorry, gal. That is NOT a statement of fact. THe truth is that the years of
your addiction have robbed you of both the delicate taste buds and the sense
of smell that is needed for such pleasures. Everything you taste or smell
has the flavor of nicotine, and that's a fact!

Message: 52311
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul - I didn't know
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 08:36:31

If that was the way your life was at one time, then I heartily congratulate
you on what you've done with it. That would take a lot of courage on your
part. I've seen a lot of people like you discribed of yourself over the
years, and usually, they do not come out of it. 
Regardless of what you may think - I am not like that at all especially
where the cigarettes are conserned. I do not even have a cough and you can
believe that or not! And I enjoy smoking. I have quit many times over the
years for different reasons - a case of Broncitus - a bad cold - no money
etc. etc. - all those times, the shortest was over two years. I started
again because I CHOOSE to, not because of an addiction, because it was long
since passed. As far as with drawal symptoms - I saw no difference in smell
or taste - I was more hyper, nervous and therefore, ate more for want of
something to do, but that passed in a couple of months. People ARE different
Paul regardless of what you may think. As far as drinking - I too enjoy that
and admit it redily - but here again, I am not like you were. I have a drink
at home a couple times a week and usually two or three over the week end
because we go out to eat often. Once in a while, maybe once every two
months, we go to a bar and shoot pool and I might have five drinks and yes,
I am at least half drunk. (we walk home!) but I suffer no hangover or the
D.T.s from such an act. I don't do these things because I don't enjoy them.
Once in awhile, I don't drink for weeks at a time - because I don't want to.
You want me to admit things - why don't you admit that people are different?
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 52312
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: News Today
Subject: Hard Times!
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 08:47:22

Said in the paper today - Jimmy Swaggert is back in the pulpit - poor guy -
his donations are below $350.000 a day - compared to $500,000 per day
before the scandal! First thing you know, he'll be collecting welfare.
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 52313
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/Ann
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 12:05:05

        Wow, after reading Pauls post, I think I will quit smoking...
and I do not even smoke.
        But poor Ann, the true tobacco addict she is defends her reasons.
Ann claims she gets hyper with out the drug, but then claims she is not
addicted????  Fact is... it is HARMFUL!  How can anyone enjoy putting black
slimmy crap in their lungs?  

        Ann, we all LOVE you so much... that is why we do not wish to see
you destroy yourself with the tobacco drug.

Cliff

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 1:        In order to properly solve the drug (alcohol, tobacco, cocaine, 
 2:marijuana, heroin, glue, etc.) problem that we have in this nation, it is 
 3:first important that we solve our social ills.  Stresses, both just and 
 4:unjust will cause a person to 'have a drink' or a joint in order to 'relax'.
 5:        When the 'rent' is due and the transmission is out on the car or 
 6:when the first of the month is close, many people tighten up.
 7:        When it is possible for the majority of the humans to be able to 
 8:secure a place to live that is safe from 'gross' capitalism then and onkly 
 9:then will stresses abate.
10:        When our struggle is over, drugs will not be thought of because 
11:feeling good will then be a natural.  We can feel good by looking into our 
12:childrens eyes and knowing that their road through life will not be met with
13:the same difficulties that we had to face.
14:        I do not see the solution to alleviate our stresses in our near 
15:future therefore look forward to lots of substance abuse by the masses.  The
16:rule is, the more stresses, the more drugs used by the individual.
17:                                Rod
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Message: 52315
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: recent events
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 15:29:35

What would happen if Mark Adkins and Jeff Johnson had an argument?

Message: 52316
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Tales & Tall Stories
Subject: Stranger Than FACT
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 17:33:03

                      Baby Bigfoot Sighted!
Rumors persist of a Giant Toddler who roams Yellowstone Park
                 at dusk on alternate Thursdays.

  The sixty-foot baby, clad only in a diaper and carrying a
huge bottle, is said to be either from another planet or a
mutation resulting from the accidental nuclear bombing of a
day-care center in the late fifties.
  Reports are that the child tends to be friendly, except
when hungry.  Then he often mistakes homes and autos for his
long-lost toys and likes to put them in his mouth as 
pacifiers.  Huge teeth marks are not uncommon on both houses
and cars in the area.
  Local child protection agencies advocate a cautious yet
affectionate approach to those encountering the Toddler,
stressing the fact that despite his size, he's still an 
infant.
  General Deke Hawkins of the Arizona Air Force Reserve
takes a harder line, which is succinctly expressed in his
often quoted maxim, "Spare the bombs and spoil the child."
  Hawkins was also recently reprimanded by the Pentagon for 
a televised interview in which he said he'd like nothing
better than to lure the infant into climbing a tall building
so that he could shoot it off with Word War I biplanes.

Message: 52317
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Question?
Subject: Adkins
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 18:04:23

Did I miss something?
How could you ever expect any of the Williams family to be trustworthy
or honest?
With Rod Williams as the head of the clan, that is the least probable of
all outcomes from any affiliation with them.
Sorry to see you go Mark, even though we've had some disaggreements, it`s
a sad day when a good natured soul gets burnt by the toxic waste of society.
 
        -Mike

Message: 52318
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: War!
Subject: Smoke
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 18:12:44

I've kept my mouth shut about quitting for quite some time now because
in the past, I have announced I was quitting and it seemed to CURSE my
efforts. Well, I can say that I have finally QUIT as it has been a few
months now and I rarely even think of it.
 
Now. 
 
There is nothing WORSE than an EX-Smoker against smokers. Having the guts
and defiance to quit is only half of it. The other half comes from common
sense. Lazy, spineless jelly fish have more strength than a defiant smoker.
Smokers are only addicted because they allow it to be so.
Like the drunkard who refuses to dry out.
Like the faggot who refuses to acknowledge truth.
Like the drug addict who refuses to stop.
Like the helpless Rod Williams who refuse to learn.
Like the mindless wars created by mindless governments.
It's just a denial of fact. An escape from truth because the truth is always
harder to face when you are in the pit of $#!+.
 
When you stop denying the truth, then you can truly be free.
 
          -Mike 

Message: 52319
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 19:30:14

You realize, of course, that that is pure nonsense.  Many people have
financial problems and do not use drugs, and many people who are quite
secure financially do use drugs.  There is not one shred of evidence to
support your claim that economics is the root of the drug problem.

Message: 52320
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Adkins
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 19:30:34

Go get 'em!

Message: 52321
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod/Drugs
Date: 05/23/88  Time: 20:20:27

  Yeah, what do you have to support your claims of economic reasons for drug
abuse, you manifesto-punk?
  See you later,
     Dean H.

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Message: 52324
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: drugs/poor
Date: 05/24/88  Time: 02:01:10

        Many of the pseudo-wealthy,the up and coming yuppie type are subject
to a lot of stresses and they seem to favor cocaine and/or alcohol.  The
'project' people favor crack (which is pure euphoria for 20 minutes) and
heroin.  Straight middle-class people either do prescription tranquilizers
or their favorite wine.  The middle class blue collar people dig pot and
beer.  
        Because our society is basically not happy, because no one can
really look their children in the eye and promise them a good world, because
there is a need to feel good, there are drugs that can make one forget
whatever there is to forget.  Heroin makes you forget that the rent is due
and I guess alcohol does too.
        People who do not have secure housing do not feel secure in thier
basic nature.  Alcohol and other things help alleviate this feeling for a
time.  There are very many people in American who feel insecure either from
housing or thier job or both and drugs wash this feeling away for the
moment.  That is why people have to keep taking them because thier situation
stays the same and one reason it does is because they spent their money on
drugs.  Drugs are expensive as hell but they do the job and nothing else
made them feel that good, not walking down the street because they may be
mugged, not writing a nice letter to their landlord because they might get a
letter telling them thier rent has been raised.  
                                        Rod