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Apollo BBS Archive - June 2 - 4, 1991

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Message: 7451
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike/last few
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 05:32:29

Even if nobody ever tries any of those ideas, they made for some great
reading!

Message: 7452
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Entertainment
Subject: One last idea..
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 22:23:55

A few years back a very good friend of mine worked for Toledo scale
and measrement corp. He worked in the R&D lab for a spell and told me
this beauty about some kind of new digital weight scales.
It seems like everyting with the new Toledo digital scale was doing
fine. About 6 months into shipping, a couple of meat counters at some
grocery stores started complaining that their scales "stunk" to high 
heavens and they had to be continually adjusting the accuracy adj.
What they found was really quite disgusting. Inside the scales were
thousands of dead and dying cockroaches. Like a compost heap of roaches
all piled up around the strain guage wires...causing the continual
adjustment to be made as more roaches piled in. It (the smell) was so
powerful it made several of the engineers sick on the spot. Hundreds and
hundreds of smaller baby roaches were being bred from within.
After some diagnosing and messing around..they found out why the roaches
liked the weight scales. The strain guage wires were hooked into a
piezeo-electric element which in turn was connected into the circuitry.
The piezeo (sp) effect is simple; pressure (X) = voltage (y) and is
proportional if the piezeo crystal is cut just right. Anyway, the circuit
used a L.O. (Local oscillator) which ran at a frequency that, after
resonating through the strain guage wires, was just right to attract la
cucaracha. I have the frequency written down in my notes and I have never
gotten around to verifying his story. He claims that soon after that, they
made minature versions running on a 9v-cell...they called them
"ROACH GRENADES" and tossed them in their friends' kitchen cupboards.

Message: 7453
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Entertainment
Subject: Mike
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 08:11:30

OK, I've forwarded everyone's suggestions to my housemate.  I like the idea
of the jammer because I'm sure his outside TV doesn't have cable.  I could
set that up with a lamp timer to turn on at 10:30PM (after Cheers) and hope
that it interferes with his reception enough to persuade him to entertain
himself some other way--like beating up his wife or spending ANOTHER couple
hours a day meticulously taking care of his lawn.
 
(Did I mention that this guy is a school teacher?)

Message: 7454
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 16:05:32

Re:  Go through his trash a couple times.

I'm glad you're my friend and not my enemy. :-)

You chose Chit-Chat
Subject:Roach Go-Away

 1:Okay Mike, make a counter frequency that scares the hell out of 
 2:roaches....but then, think of the consequences.  No more roaches.
 3:
 4:This leaves toe jam, ear wax and other droppings, inclding food (this stuff 
 5:is food to some life forms.) for something to pick up because  there isn't a
 6:vacuum cleaner in the world that gets everything.
 7:
 8:But roaches in a meat department scale is really gross.  Interesting story.
 9:
10:                               Rod
The message is 7455

Zak's FILm & Video Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 1617
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Filmography
Subject: Un otra GT
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 12:34:16

Ok, since Dean already got a babysitter and I there are plenty of movies to
go see, those who are interested can meet at Metro Village for the 7:30 show
of _Backdraft_.  Metro Village is on 31st Ave just south of Peoria.  If you
turn left at 31st Ave, you can't miss it.  There's a Wendy's and China Gate
nearby.
The _Citizen Kane_ GT is still on for next weekend.  Round up your pals and
come on over!

Message: 1618
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Filmography
Subject: _Backdraft_
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 22:32:26

Well, despite all the minor flaws that every so often disrupted my
suspension of disbelief, I really enjoyed this movie.  The cinematography is
excellent and Ron Howard did some great things with this movie regarding
direction.  The fine supporting actors didn't get any great lines in (partly
because they were on for such a brief period of time) and the sex scenes are
pretty petty, mild and contrived.  The action during the fires, and indeed
the fire itself is the real star here.  Kudos to the special effects.  For
some firefighters opinions on the accuracy of the film, check out the June
2, 1991 Sunday AZ Republic, Section A.

Message: 1619
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 08:13:55

As Nick pointed out to me, Cafe Casino has been closed for about a year.

I'm hungry.

Message: 1620
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: BACKDRAFT
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 00:38:36

     When is the Backdraft GT?  I'll be there!

Message: 1621
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Michael on closure
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 08:46:12

I am sorry to hear that I was right about it being closed. Everytime I went
there, I ordered the french onion soup, spinish salad and the little dessert
custard cups - then bring home a bunch of goodies from the bakery. Yum!
I think the nearest French restaurant is in Scottsdale. I do a smattering of
my own - I make the onion soup and spinich salad - plus the custard. Have a
French cook book! *>>> ANN O. <<<* Oh gads, I'm hungrey!

Message: 1622
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann on French soup
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 09:15:41

        That's great Ann... After we meet on the corner of Camelback and
24th street (7:09 PM sharp) for the movie, we all can go over to Ann's for
French onion soup!

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 1623
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: French Onion Soup
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:10:50

I had that the last time I went there.  I was there on Mother's Day, about 2
years ago.  I had just gotten all 4 wisdom teeth pulled two days before and
my face was still swollen and I couldn't eat anything hard.  We went there
after watching _Larwence of Arabia_, the only good thing about that whole
weekend.

Message: 1624
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Filmography
Subject: Peter on Back
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:17:11

Sorry!  I even tried calling you at home and no one answered.  No machine
either.
But, hey!  Mark your calendar for this Sunday.  Meet at Cine Capri at 6:45
for the 7:10 showing of _Citizen Kane_.

Message: 1625
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Review
Subject: Quick Change
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:32:37

    I thought it was quite well done. For the first forty-five minutes or
so, you figure that there is nothing that could possibly foil such a perfect
robbery.  But then...

Message: 1626
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: CITIZEN KANE
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 23:26:39

     I'll only attend if it has been colorized.

Public Bulletin Board command

Message: 75493
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Steve/confusion
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 05:24:59

Oh no. You've got it all wrong, Steve. Ann's not confused. It's just the
rest of the world that's confused. Including all those people who just think
that they are experts in such things as language, etc. Including the good
folks who write, edit and publish such things as those silly dictionaries
and things like that. None of them know what they are talking about. Just
Ann. If you don't believe that, just ask her.
 In other words, Steve, her head is made up, so don't try to confuse her
with facts.

Message: 75494
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Apollo $ Grant 1/2
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 09:39:05

During 1990, I was fortunate enough to be Apollo's 150,000th caller.  As a
result of that serendipitous achievement, I was awarded special Blue $tatus.
That's lifetime $tatus with no renewal fees, ever.  In my case that's
proven so far to be a value of nearly $12.00!

I really do enjoy Apollo.  I log onto several BBSes each week, plus BIX and
Compu$erve (my monthly CI$ bill is usually around $50).  Apollo is the only
one of these I try to log onto each and every day.  It's well worth $12 a
year and I'd like to continue to provide that small bit of financial
support.
 
So, what Cliff and I worked out is the Bill Burkett Apollo Foundation. 
Using my Blue $tatus, I provide a grant each year of one year's regular
$tatus to an active, participating, non-$tatus user of Apollo.  I, alone,
choose who receives this grant each year.

Message: 75495
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Bulletins
Subject: Apollo $ Grant 2/2
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 09:42:33

There are only two restrictions on this grant:
 
     (1)  The grantee must log onto Apollo regularly.
 
     (2)  Messages posted by the grantee in the non-Cosmos
          areas of Apollo must meet general standards of civil
          discourse.  Generally speaking, this means merely
          conforming to the ules.  I am the sole judge of any
          violations of this standard, although the SysOps, may
          impose any other sanctions they feel are needed
          against the grantee.
 
If either of these conditions is violated, $tatus will, at my sole
discretion, be withdrawn and another non-$tatus user of the system will
receive the remainder of that year's grant.  In any case, a new grantee will
be announced each year on Apollo's birthday.
 
My hope in offering this grant is that it will get others "hooked" on Apollo
and, in some small way, help increase the subscribing membership.
 
The second grantee will be announced on Apollo's upcoming birthday, July 31,
1991.

Message: 75496
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: $tatus users only
Subject: _Backdraft_ GT
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 12:35:10

Ok, since Dean already got a babysitter and I there are plenty of movies to
go see, those who are interested can meet at Metro Village for the 7:30 show
of _Backdraft_.  Metro Village is on 31st Ave just south of Peoria.  If you
turn left at 31st Ave, you can't miss it.  There's a Wendy's and China Gate
nearby.
The _Citizen Kane_ GT is still on for next weekend.  Round up your pals and
come on over!

Message: 75497
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: Gender Police
Date: 06/02/91  Time: 19:58:01

Muscular bodybuilders Bridget Morton, 20, and Lorie Sencer,
28, sued the city of Costa Mesa, Calif., in November because
police officers, believing they were men, stopped them as 
they were emerging from a women's restroom at a rock music
concert.  Morton claimed she was forced to drop her pants to
prove her gender.  Sencer said she tried to reason with the
officers, saying, "Everything's cool.  We're women.  Look at
our (clothed) breasts."

Message: 75498
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa/directions
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 05:24:43

"If you turn left at 31st Ave, you can't miss it."
 That is, of course, unless you are eastbound on Peoria, in which case a
left turn at 31st Ave would have one heading north.
 Better to turn south on 31st. (smiling)

Message: 75499
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on words
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 06:53:55

Sorry dearly - I have a 6 inch think Webster's dictionary and I looked up
Patience and suffering and they have totally different meanings. Now who do
I believe - you or Webster 
 
All this nonesense is not the issue - I still say people will continue and
have been interpreting the Bible as they want to  - have it come up with
what they want it to say!! I am NOT the only person in the world that thinks
this way either! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75500
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 07:49:52

But to do that, you'd have to be coming from the West Side, and NO ONE lives
over there!

Message: 75502
Author: $ Peter Cervelli
Category: For sale
Subject: A modem
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 11:25:25

For Sale:

One US Robotics Courier HST  (9600 baud, external)
This is the modem for you.  Nearly new, with documentation.
Price: $600 obo.

Call Peter at 894-2725 between 10:00 AM and 10:00 PM

Message: 75503
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Answer!
Subject: Rod
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 15:59:55

Most of your post is just eyewash.  The bottom line is, it is against the
law, and if a judge can't keep from breaking the law he has sworn to uphold,
he shouldn't be a judge.

So what does the system do?  They put him on a paid vacation until it gets
sorted out.  I should be so lucky.

Message: 75504
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: Oily Residue
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 17:26:59

From Arizona Republic, September 16, 1990:

Big Oil fearful of backlash
Becoming jittery over large profits

By Thomas C. Hayes, The New York Times

  Fearful of public and congressional outcry over the large
profits that many oil companies are likely to report for the
fiscal quarter that ends in two weeks, industry executives
are trying to find ways to hold down those profits.
  Their strategy takes two tacks.  One is to hold down the
increases in the retail price of gasoline.
  That may be news to motorists who have seen gas prices
rise an average of 23 cents a gallon since the Iraqi 
invasion of Kuwait last month.  However, oil-industry 
executives say a 36-cents-a-gallon increase would have been
needed to offset the post-invasion increase in crude-oil
prices, which have nearly doubled.
  The oil companies' second strategy for reducing profits is
to increase the amount of money they set aside, or hold in
reserve, for future environmental expenses, for refinery and
chemical-plant maintenance programs, and for potential legal
claims.  Such a step is commonplace in the industry and
conforms with accounting standards.
  In trying to hold down profits, the oil industry is 
heeding the advice of the White House and senior Republicans
in Congress.
  In a speech on Aug. 8, President Bush urged oil companies
to show restraint in raising gasoline prices.  The next day,
Sen. Bob Dole, R-Kan., the minority leader, sent a telegram 
to the chief executives of 11 major oil companies, warning
that if gasoline-price increases were not checked, the
outcry would be overwhelming.
  "I can assure you that it will be very difficult to stop
legislation controlling the prices of petroleum products or
taxing profits resulting from these increases should action
not be taken by the oil industry," he said in the telegram.
  The industry is anxious to avoid a replay of the 1970s,
when angry consumers and legislators pilloried Big Oil as
oil prices and company profits soared.  A windfall-profit
tax took several billion dollars away from oil companies
before crude-oil prices plunged below $10 after 1985.
  Bryan Jacoboski, an analyst at Paine Webber, said oil
executives suppose now that "the best way to avoid any
windfall-profit tax is not to report any windfall profits."
(to be continued)

Message: 75506
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: On the Lighter Side
Subject: My job
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 17:57:31

Just finished my first day at my new job.  I still don't know what I'm going
to be doing.

Message: 75507
Author: $ Wild Barbarian
Category: Answer!
Subject: Judge
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 23:12:48

And they let the sucker go on vacation out of state to NY!  If this had been
you or me, we would be on vacation alright.  Behind bars.  I think our
system of justice sometimes SUCKS!  Who says crime doesn't pay????

Message: 75508
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Religion
Subject: Paul S.
Date: 06/03/91  Time: 23:56:20

        Thanks for your input (a few days ago)... I just may put myself back
into the CHRistian SIG.   I think I have improved to some extent my ability
to hold my tongue when riled by hostile foes.  Besides, I know how I feel
inside about God, and I think he can see this even when the verbage spews
forth.

        The more I read from the doubters and the atheists camp, the more I
realize I don't want to fall into that garbage pit of un-happy people.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 75511
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Annie/vocabulary
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 06:01:59

 As usual, sweetie, the shallowness of your spirituality is matched by the
lack of depth of your vocabulary as well.
 Suffering and longsuffering are two entirely different words, with totally
different meanings and connotations.
 You don't even need to look at Biblical translations to see the real
definition of longsuffering. Go to a library, since I'm sure you don't have
anything like it at home, and pick up a Greek-English dictionary. Look up
the word or derivations of the word "makrothumia". That word in the Greek is
translated as both longsuffering AND patient. They are synonomous!
("Synonomous" means that they mean the same thing, by the way.)
 I realize that, at you age, it's hard to learn new things, but you could at
least TRY!

Message: 75512
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Michael/7550
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 06:04:52

Oh, there are a few of us. (who live over here on the west side).
I tried to follow Melissa's directions, anad had a nice ride through that
nice residential neighborhood north of Peoria. I was just trying to save
someone who possibly doesn't have my marvellous sense of direction from
becoming lost, don't ya see?

Message: 75513
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Religion
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 06:10:53

"Man looks at the outward signs. THe Lord looks in the heart."
 He knows your heart, Cliff. Your faith is a very personal thing between God
and yourself. Just as you are not to judge another, don't allow the
judgement of others against you get in the way of what you know to be in
your spirit. God bless. See you on the CHR.

Message: 75514
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Answer!
Subject: Crime
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 07:44:12

Crime ? What crime ?

Message: 75515
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Religion
Subject: Garbage Pit
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 07:47:56

Huh ? Look --- if you want to believe IN something believe in it because you
want to believe IN it --- not as a reaction against something. Sounds like
you are thinking and that's good. Just make sure you understand why you
believe.

Message: 75516
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/insult
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 07:49:51

Teacher ! Pauley made an insulting remark in the main board.
>As usual, sweetie, the shallowness of your spirituality is matched by the
>lack of depth of your vocabulary as well.

Message: 75517
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on age
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 08:28:33

What do you mean I can't learn new things at my age? If you don't shut your
trap I'm going to hit you with my cane!!! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75518
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger/last
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 08:31:27

Actually .... "The shallowness of your spirituality is matched by the lack
of depth of your vocabulary as well" ..... is my middle name. It must be
cause Pauley has called me that so many times! :) *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75519
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Pauley on paper
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 08:43:03

Did you read in the paper this morning where the Presbyterian church feels
they must reform - feel they are out of step? They are talking about
sanctioning such things as ordaining homosexuals - sex outside of marriage -
and doing away with the idea of the head of the household being the man -
said it has caused "a massive, deep-seated crisis of sexuality"! Seems the
church officials have been practicing a lot of this all along - especially
the extra martial sex stuff. (ha) The church wants a "general
liberalization"! What do you think of all of this? Isn't the Presbyterian
church one of THE biggest - maybe second to the Catholics??? The reason I am
pointing this out is - we have had many discussions about how the different
religions change things to suit "their needs" - so then, how does one know
he/she is hearing the Word of God??? They also take the Bible and do the
same thing. It's like changing the Constitution ... makes you wonder if our
Forefather's would agree with the City Fathers!!! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75520
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Religion
Subject: Roger on G-Pit
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 09:20:20

        I am thinking Roger, and still have many questions.  But...I find
the alternitive very repulsive and too hard to swallow.  How could anyone be
happy without the love of God is beyond me....

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 75521
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Presbyterians
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 13:20:19

No, they are one of the smaller congos. They have around 3 million members.

Message: 75522
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Religion
Subject: Apollo/God's love
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 13:23:02

Here is a thought. It may be hard to live without the "love of God", but if
God does not exist then the mature person learns to live without it.
However, if you believe that God DOES exist and loves you, then you should
believe that. That is what I meant by understanding why you believe.
 

Message: 75523
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Rod / "Wake Up"
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 15:17:56

"Wake up. Your words are hollow and are without meaning."

Thank you for justifying the futility of expressing any diversity of opinion
with you, Rod. The reason my words are, to you, "hollow and without meaning"
is because you choose to make them so in your own mind.  I've noticed that
whenever you can't seem to get a person to align themselves with your way of
thinking, they become spouters of "the party line that leads to insanity."

Ann, this is why I believe that Rod hasn't the slightest clue what the Bible
is all about. God is not "pro-Mapplethorpe," not "pro-gay-love," and not
"pro-abortion," so Rod's mind cannot comprehend it. And whatever Rod cannot
comprehend becomes "the party line."

Message: 75524
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Ann / Longsuffering
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 15:29:11

  Ann, all of us have to endure hardship in our defense of the things we
believe in.  Anyone who is willing to compromise their beliefs in the face
of resistance and pressure, to me, lacks vertebrae.  What is so wrong about
that?  This, of course, does not mean that we go about seeking (or
inflicting upon ourselves as the Midieval Catholic Church did) suffering in
an attempt to justify ourselves.  A Christian's life is one of personal
discipline, but it is also one of great joy.  You don't have to drink to
excess or sleep around with anything under the sun to be happy.  Martin
Luther was a man who implored the believer to find joy in everything he did,
including his job. To him, the work of a humble shoemaker was not any less
important than the preacher of the Word. (I have the exact quote posted on
my cash register at work, and if I ever get bummed out or discouraged, I
read it and think about it.)

Message: 75525
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Ann on Sex
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 15:52:28

      Ann, you are missing the meat of my message by complaining about one
of the french fries.

      You make sex out to be the be-all/end-all to happiness.  Ann, DOGS can
have SEX.  They do not care who they do it with or where.  And they do not
care about the one they did it with after they've done it.  Now, if you want
to adhere to the thinking that we are nothing more than animals, then so be
it.  But the fact that humans can control their urges (something that dogs
cannot do) must tell you something.  What can abstinence do to benefit a
14-year-old with active hormones?  Well, for one thing it can help prevent
him/her from becoming another AIDS victim.  It can prevent unwanted
pregnancy and the potential murder of an unborn child.

     It can prevent the individual from making value judgments on the sexual
performance of the one they finally decide to marry ("Gee, I love him, but
he's not as good as Bill...She's nice and she loves me, but she's not as
well built as Betty").  Amy Grant once said about her decision to remain a
virgin until her marriage to musician Gary Chapman: "I didn't have to
compare his moans to anyone else's."

     It allows the relationship to mature intellectually and romantically. 
It makes the final consummation of the marriage vow all that much more
important because it becomes a true expression of loving and giving, and not
just an orgasm.

Message: 75526
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Ann on Changes
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 15:53:56

      You never responded to my Biblical response to why the church should
not endorse premarital sex, homosexuality and masturbation.

Message: 75527
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Ann on 75401
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:02:40

     Just because someone states that something is wrong is not going to
keep you from doing it.  And Christ died for all sin (except the sin against
the Holy Spirit (which is unbelief)). So the one that searches the hearts
and minds knows those who are His. By their fruits they shall be known. And
this is not to say that everyone that "goes to church" is going to make it.
"Pew-warming" does not a Christian make.

Message: 75528
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Beau on 75409
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:04:55

What are you talkin' 'bout, boy?

Message: 75529
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Rod on Eating
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:06:47

So that's why you look like a weed?

*grin*

Message: 75530
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann on Longsuffering
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:19:49

"Sorry Pauley, no way can 'Long suffering' be interpreted as patience! ...no
way are they the same thing!"

I'm sorry to burst your bubble Ann, but Paul is right.  The meaning of the
word "long-suffering" as found in the King James (1611) Version ("Charity
suffereth long, [and] is kind" 1 Corinthians 13:4) means ENDURING PATIENCE.
"Christian love is patient and kind." (Anderson) "Love is patient, love is
kind." (NIV)  "Love endures long [and] is patient and kind." (Amplified) 
"Love is patient. Love is kind." (Beck)  "Love is patient, love is kind."
(NAS)

Message: 75531
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Roger / "Easter"
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:25:13

Roger, why then, does the Day of Resurrection ("Easter") and Holy Week
always coincide with the Jewish week of Passover? Christ was crucified
during the week of Passover, no?

Certainly the eggs have their place as pagan symbols of fertility. But they
also have meaning as a symbol of new life, which we have in Christ. It all
depends on how you wish to look at it. I prefer to celebrate "Easter" by
glorifying Christ.

Message: 75532
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Dean / Xmas "Orgy"
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:32:52

I agree with you there.

Message: 75533
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Felix / SpillingSeed
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:35:42

No, I believe it was a reference to 'coitus interruptus.'

Message: 75534
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: More On Presbyterian
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 16:49:58

(From THE SERVANT, Spring 1991)
 
GODDESS WORSHIPPERS IN PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH

     A Tucson Presbyterian church hosted a women's spirituality conference
last March to teach Christians how to worship "the goddess."
     Goddess worship is a central theme in neo-pagan and Wiccan religions. 
Among the sponsors were the Tucson Area Wiccan Network (TAWN), Arizona
Student Pagans (ASP), Episcopal Women's Caucus, Women Take Back the Night,
YWCA, Beauty Way Dianic Women's Circle and the Tucson Rape Crisis Center. 
Speakers included feminists, Wiccan priestesses from local witches covens
and African and Native American shamans (witch doctors).
     About 200 women from various religions attended the conference. 
Rituals honoring the goddess and puberty rites for teenage girls were also
performed at the church.  Men were not admitted to most of the sessions or
rituals.
     The Presbyterian church's pastor, also a conference speaker, said she
was not herself a witch, but that her spiritual journey has led her to
discover the feminine aspect of God.  She believes the conference is in
total harmony with Christian beliefs and that witchcraft should not be seen
as a threat, but embraced by Christianity.

Message: 75535
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: News Today
Subject: Oily Residue
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 18:17:07

'Universal Outrage'

  One warning of potential backlash came Thursday, when Sen.
Kent Conrad, D-N.D., told Energy Secretary James Watkins,
"There will be universal outrage" if reports of soaring oil
profits appear.
  Watkins replied that antitrust officials in the Justice
Department were the administration's first line of defense
against profiteering.  He also said oil companies that 
engaged in the practice would be "hammered" by the 
administration.
  Nonetheless, profit increases of more than 40 percent over
those reported in the comparable fiscal quarter last year
seem certain for at least four major oil companies, and many
others are expected to show profits of close to 20 percent,
Wall Street securities analysts say.
  In general, oil companies that will profit the most are
those that produce a great deal of crude oil and thus will
benefit from the near-doubling of crude-oil prices.
  "It's a great time to be a producer of oil, but it's a bad
time to be a retail seller of gasoline," Jacoboski said.
  Holding down prices at the gas pump also could help the
larger oil companies in the future because smaller
competitors might be squeezed out of gasoline retailing.

  The oil companies' strategy of building up reserves to pay
for future expenses is not uncommon.
  "It's kind of a well-established tradition in the oil
industry that any time your company realizes extraordinary 
earnings that you try to develop some extraordinary pocket to
deeply hide those earnings," said Bernard J. Picchi, an
analyst at Salomon Bros.

(continued)

Message: 75537
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Religion
Subject: Daryl/ Easter
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 19:51:14

There's two ways of looking at it. One of them is to recognize that the
worship of "resurrection" is very old and Christianity is but one form of
that worship. The other you know about.

Message: 75538
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Religion
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 20:28:44

Re:  I just may put myself back into the CHRistian SIG.

Do it now!

Message: 75539
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: Religion
Subject: Roger / Easter
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:36:14

  A Christian does not worship the act of resurrection.  A Christian
worships the First and the Last, and the Living One, who was dead and now
lives forever, and who holds the keys of Death and Hades.

Message: 75540
Author: $ Daryl Westfall
Category: News Today
Subject: By The Way...
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 22:36:58

  I picked up that amber monitor from Cliff this evening, so whether you
like it or not, you will be seeing more of me from now on. Muahahahaha!

Message: 75541
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: THE PARTY LINE
Date: 06/04/91  Time: 23:30:21

   There is more than one party to attend.

Message: 75542
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Daryl
Date: 06/05/91  Time: 00:04:04

First off, Daryl, I love you.  You are a brother, although off on an
adventure.  I took a similar adventure in the past.  I too needed to (or
wanted to) know to to to know? Know what I mean, too?  Three?

As we learn we learn to learn things, don't we?  Okay.

Perhaps you'll gain enough knowledge in your travels to understand what must
be understood, common, everyday logic.  Si!

Otay then.

I like it when you post passages from your book of religion to me or Ann.  I
also like your interpretation of said words.  Are they your own or some
other?  A nixture of both?

Perhaps with the intelligence you have shown here on Apollo in the past was
pretty damn impressive.  I especially, always liked your poetry.

Hey, how about doing some more, only with a religious theme.  I may even
write one now that I think of it.

Here's wishing you a road of success.      Rod

Message: 75543
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/05/91  Time: 00:19:14

Peter is right, you know.  There is more than one party.  Some charge
admission, some don't.

The universe is FREE, not 40% off is some sleazy bargain basement.  I don't
see some very powerful, very intelligenct, white male deciding to make us as
some sort of experiment or just doing it to give us life for whatever
reason.  Perhaps though we could spend eternity as a "cloud potato".

I see life as having come about somewhere in eternity.  "There is so much
space, mass, and energy in the Universe that it'd almost be a miracle if it
didn't come about."  After all, there is a forever and we happen t be a part
of it.

It can be a real drag sometime, spending a life at this stop-over while
there is a great party going on in yonder space.  And the only "party line"
there is, "having fun, dear?"

But some of my critics think that I, Rod Williams will somehow spend all
eternity being tortured, and, how, Ann, can anyone with a droplet of love in
their bodies believe in this?

Ann, I like your messages, to say the least.  You stand tall against your
advarsaries.  Give em hell but don't make it a forever one.   -Rod

Message: 75544
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/05/91  Time: 01:47:03

> Longsuffering = patience.

War is peace.

Message: 75545
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: New Poem
Date: 06/05/91  Time: 01:48:29


            There once was a saviour from Nantucket,
            Who said, "you'll each kick the bucket.

            Choose Heaven or Hell,
            If you're buying, I'll sell.

            Come join me on a Love Junket."

                        R & P

Message: 75546
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Felix Cat
Date: 06/05/91  Time: 01:57:11

AS I AM TYPING THERE IS SOMEONE DYING FROM AN ALCOHOL RELATED EVENT.

There has never been a documented death from the effects of hemp except if
you lived 100 years ago and got caught for horse theft.

If the judge was a man he would take the William F. Buckley stance and ask
for legalization of marijuana.

Marquardt is still receiving his pay because it is not what one knows.  It
is who one knows.  He is in the favored class due to one reason or another
but it seems he may have a few enemies.

Does the "party line" ask to obey all laws no matter how ridiculous? 
Suffer now, play later?

By the way, do you believe that Paul was really being totally rude to Ann in
that one message of his?  Did he backslide a bit there or was I just
imagining the entire thing?

Message: 75547
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Bill/Grant
Date: 06/05/91  Time: 01:57:55

I nominate Mary Richards for the free $tatus.

Message: 75548
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro/oil profits
Date: 06/05/91  Time: 02:05:33

If the 'windfall' profits were marked for eliminating the fossil fuel
vehicles and invested in solar and other forms of energy then I would
actually feel good about the whole thing.  At least I'd feel better just
knowing that some power actually cared.
                                Rod