Apollo BBS Archive

Apollo BBS Archive - June 12, 1991

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Message: 1805
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Auto polution?
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 00:06:23

        Funny, being next to my car does not get me sick.  Being in a room
with a smoker does.
        
        The other argument...  So cars do pollute.. well, yes they do to a
point.  But as you pointed out, they are needed in todays world. So, how 
does this justify smoking?  To needlessly pollute because cars pollute is
plain silly. 

        My Uncle Bob died from cigarettes... not exaust fumes from autos.
You were not there.  I was, I went though the horror of his slow painful
death.  

Message: 1806
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/last
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:01:39

Oh good god - here comes 'Uncle Bob' again!!!
 
Did I ever tell you about my 'Uncle Alva' that lived to be 86 years old and
smoked unfiltered cigarettes up to the end - which BTW, wasn't caused from
smoking! He also smoked a pipe and cigars on occasion. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 1807
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod my man
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:12:03

Regarding your three posts on smoking pollution vs auto pollution ...
... again, you come through with excellent, non-fanatical posts. 
 
BTW dear, did you ever notice that some of the people here that are so
fanatical against other's smoking - use to smoke themselves? I always wonder
how come it was alright for them to 'kill' people back then when they smoked
and now that they don't, it is so wrong for anyone else to smoke????!!!
Now they get bleeding sinuses and can smell a neighbor smoking in his house
next door?? 
 
I call these people fanatical when they cannot see that there is worse
pollution, more dangerous things in the air than cigarette smoke. But since
they can't fight the 'Big Boys' - the political machines, the oil companies,
they pick on their friends, neighbors and loved ones.
                                 *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 1808
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff on sig.
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:14:46

You say you are getting battered in the Christian sig? Would you care to say
who is doing the battering? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 1809
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff on Rod
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:20:06

Re: your statement ....
 
"I do speak my mind, and it is not distroyed like Rods on Drugs".
 
Why would you say that Rod's mind is distroyed? That isn't true at all. If
you want to be noted for speaking your mind then you'll have to change your
insults so that you can be believed. In fact, I don't believe you at all - I
know you don't believe that about him! *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 1810
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Annie
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:50:19

 I guess you know what your standing in, ankle deep or deeper. As for me,
I'm standing on the solid rock.
 So you think that Rod's ramblings are the product of a "free" mind? On thre
contrary, dearie. They are the result of years of imprisonment in a warped
world of drugs and confusion.
 The only real freedom comes from the truth. "Ye shall know the truth, and
the truth shall make you free." "Whom the Son (of God) sets free is free
indeed."

Message: 1811
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:55:41

 To the best of my knowledge, there are no figures dealing with airplane,
auto and/or industrial pollution.
 None of which makes the very real figures on smoking related deaths any
less valid.
 Cute doesn't cut it, and I haven't been IN a ball park in years.

Message: 1812
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/Smoke
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 09:50:53

I think the idea is to eliminate both kinds of pollution. Second hand smoke
should be a lot easier than getting rid of systemic pollution like auto
emissions. Auto emissions can be controlled somewhat, but still the vast
majority of emissions are due to carbon-based combustion. If we all had
hydrogen fuelled cars or electric autos, then that source of pollution would
be eliminated. Of course, the manufacture of batteries and electricity and
hydrogen may cause other forms of pollution.
 
So, as far as smoking is concerned it is the easiest to take care of. All
you have to do if someone is offending you with their second-hand smoke is
to ask them to stop smoking. Being polite individuals, sensitive to the
needs of others, they will gracefully put out their cigarette or cigar.

Message: 1813
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Pauley
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 12:16:05

Re: your ... "to the best of my knowledge, there are no figures dealing with
airplane, auto and/or industrial pollution."
 
All kidding aside, I wonder why??!! I'd be willing to bet all of them do
more damage to us than cigarette smokers. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 1814
Author: $ Peter Petrisko
Category: Answer!
Subject: POLLUTION/ROD
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 18:21:05

     Obviously your mind has been completely destroyed by drugs.
I'd explain further, but I must drive up to Circle-K and buy a case of beer
now.

Message: 1815
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Blowing Smoke
Subject: Oudin
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 21:25:19

RE: "Here we go with Uncle Bob again!"
From someone who wholeheartedly approves of the slaughter and murder
of unborn babies, I'd say this latest crass statement of yours is par
for the course. As you so merrily discount, with a puff and a wave of
your yellowing hands, Cliffs feelings and pain he endured over a loved one.
But, what the heck?, it's just another human life and we all see that life
means little to you , unless of course, it's your own self righteous hide.
It's just another justifiable reason to keep puffing away. Like, it's *your*
body and you can do with it as you damn please, right? I mean, nobody
really loves you enough to care if you died a twisted, painful and horribly
ugly death now, do they? Ah, who cares if any of your relatives are
emotionally scarred for life? They're just failed abortions anyway, should
have used the coat hanger on 'em. To hell with the facts, gimme another
pack. Rack 'em up, puff puff puff. 
Yeah, Cliff must have dreamed up his uncle Bob. He dreamed about the pain
and suffering, the agony of watching someone he loved die in misery.
A worthless death. So unecessary. Yeah, sure, Ann, discount it till you
hit zero. Because zero is what you're worth dead. 

Message: 1816
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Me mind
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 21:40:16

Yeth, my mind has been, like totally destroyed by drugs.  Just because I am
my own boss and am very good at what I do, pay no heed.  The drugs really
got to me.  

When I have to make a key for a Jaguar or Mercedes I can't.  I just tell the
people to call someone who is a drug free Christian.

Although I've trained about eight other people to become locksmiths,
Burkhart and Hawley included that doesn't mean I have a mind.

Oh well, gotta go smoke some more crack and shoot up some whiskey.

                                Rod the bod

Message: 1817
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Today
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 21:47:11

Today a fellow told me that his brother was on marijuana and he killed five
people in a bad traffic accident.  After questioning him, he later admitted
that his brother also had been drinking.

This is like living in a polluted world and dying from cigarette smoke which
was probably a contributing factor but not the whole picture.

If someone works in a steel mill or is a minor and they smoke, then die then
it all ties in together.  All were contributing factors.

We all are at a disatvantage because we live in a polluted city.  We cannot
help but breathe in the airplane exhaust, the pesticides, car pollution and
the like.  Any one of these are contributing factors but at death, the
doctor who performs the autoposy would probably, for simplicity list the
death as from smoking.

Public Bulletin Board command:$C

Message: 75679
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff on Ortega
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 05:46:09

I truly wonder what is behind all of this - his resignation?! From what I've
read, I've sort of gotten the impression that the politicos don't want
anymore Azscams or at least they want to control the police dept. in what
they do. Maybe I'm wrong and it's just his ego talking. What is your
opinion? *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75680
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Question?
Subject: Cliff on shooting
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 05:48:41

You mean someone is shooting off a gun in your neighborhood? I'd consider
that a nice neighborhood too. Is there no excape from this sort of thing?
                           *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 75681
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Politics
Subject: Bill/Ortega
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:26:37

 And so the saga continues. He quits. He doesn't quit. He quits again.
 What a merry-go-round! Maybe this time, somebody will accept his
resignation once and for all, and get on with the business of finding
someone who can fill the bill. I'm sure that there are a number of well
qualified people within the organization that wold love the opportunity to
be chief. I fail to see the reasoning behind a "nation-wide" search, which
is what the city fathers are now proposing. Is nobody qualified locally? If
not, perhaps the police training methods are in sad need of review.

Message: 75682
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/Mobil
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:29:59

 I don't know about political, but I do smell something about more money for
Mobil's coffers. At the rate that alcohol evaporates in the Phoenix summer
weather, by the time you get the cap on your tank, that last gallon you just
put in is alread reduced by probably 1 or 2 %. That, and the vapor lock that
they now deny happens, should give good cause to buy your gas elsewhere.

Message: 75683
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: volcano
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 06:34:17

Clark air base, near the volcano, was evacuated. Personnel were moved to a
naval base on the island (maybe Subic?). Meanwhile, rocks and ash from the
volcano were falling in the ocean, some 24 or 26 miles away. At the same
time, a major eruption is taking place in the south of Japan. That's two
major incidences in the same general part of the world. Could it
be??????????

Message: 75684
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Ann on Ortega
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 08:00:14

> I truly wonder what is behind all of this - [Ortega's]
> resignation?!
 
I'd lay money he's going to run for mayor.  No candidate -- credible or
otherwise -- has announced to run against Paul Johnson, a Democrat.  (Even
though the mayoral election is supposedly non-partisan party affiliation is
VERY important.)
 
Ortega is:  (1) already well-known; (2) Republican; (3) a member of a
minority group (helping him appeal to traditionally Democratic voters); and
(4) backed by several important political powerhouses including John McCain
and the Phoenix Chamber of Commerce.
 
He's denying it now, but Ortega will be in the race.  I think.

Message: 75685
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: Paul-Ruben's Heir
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 08:00:41

> I fail to see the reasoning behind a "nation-wide" search [for
> a new police chief], which is what the city fathers are now
> proposing. Is nobody qualified locally?
 
There are several individuals inside the Phoenix PD who would do a fine job
as chief.  It's just that it's fashionable to do a nationwide search first;
makes the City Manager look like he's doing his job as thoroughly as
possible.  Getting the best man in the whole country for the position.
 
The trick will be to pick someone who's not in Ortega's inner circle.  I
wouldn't want any of the current Assistant Chiefs to be named, but know of
several others within the Department who are not only qualified in terms of
their resumes, but would run the Department in a much more, for lack of a
better term, enlightened manner.

Message: 75686
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Paul/could it be ???
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 09:37:38

Major tectonic activity ? 

Yes.

Message: 75687
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Politics
Subject: Ortega Politics
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 09:38:30

Hmm. Running on a kick the bastards out platform.

Message: 75688
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hello
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 12:38:05

Ah, NOW Beau had a chance to say Hello to me...

Trouble with being away for three weeks is that the instant you get back, a
whole bunch of people conspire to dump about 23 action items on you.  Hence
my relative silence here...

Message: 75689
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Marriage customs
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 12:46:02

I did get a chance to look over what had passed on Apollo while I was away,
and I noticed this discussion about 30-year-old women and three
18-and-a-half-year-olds (or whatever it was).

I remember hearing somewhere that there was -- maybe still is -- a tribe
somewhere in the world (Africa?) with an interesting marriage custom.  They
would marry their young girls off to older men, and their young men to older
women.  ("Older" doesn't necessarily mean "60 or 70", of course, since life
expectancy is a lot shorter in primitive societies.)  The idea was that the
older partner would "introduce" the younger one to sex and to the marriage
relationship in general, with the benefit of wisdom and experience.  It was
expected, naturally, that the older partner would die first, leaving the
younger partner a widow or widower, who would by that time have gained the
same wisdom and experience and would in turn marry somebody a lot younger
than themselves and pass on the benefit of what they had learned.  So
everyone would usually have two marriages in their lifetime.

Message: 75690
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Volcano
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 17:36:51

Yeah, they evacuated Clark AFB except for some security 
folk.  Clark is located east of the volcano, but the volcano
opened toward the north.  There was one casualty at Subic 
that may not be related -- a sailor in a bus accident.  Some
of the security people at Clark ran away when it blew.  
(Can't blame them.)  All this was reported this morning.

Gee.  There was a major, major solar flare this morning too.
Silly, deadly omens, huh?

Sorry to hear about your truck, Cliff.  I assume nobody was
in it.

Message: 75691
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Robber Barons
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 17:47:30

  John D. Rockefeller started as a bookkeeper in Cleveland,
became a merchant, accumulated money, and decided that, in
the new industry of oil, who controlled the oil refineries
controlled the industry.  He bought his first oil refinery 
in 1862, and by 1870 set up Standard Oil Company of Ohio,
made secret agreements with railroads to ship his oil with
them if they gave him rebates -- discounts -- on their 
prices, and thus drove competitors out of business.
  One independent refiner said: "If we did not sell out ... 
we would be crushed out....  There was only one buyer on the
market and we had to sell at their terms."  Memos like this
one passed among Standard Oil officials: "Wilkerson & Co.
received car of oil Monday 13th....  Please turn another 
screw."  A rival refinery in Buffalo was rocked by a small
explosion arranged by Standard Oil officials with the
refinery's chief mechanic.
  The Standard Oil Company, by 1899, was a holding company
which controlled the stock of many other companies.  The
capital was $110 million, the profit was $45 million a year,
and John D. Rockefeller's fortune was estimated at $200 
million.  Before long he would move into iron, copper, coal,
shipping, and banking (Chase Manhattan Bank).  Profits would
be $81 million a year, and the Rockefeller fortune would 
total 2 billion dollars.

Message: 75692
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Volcano
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 18:12:00

Just heard the ash cloud is drifting closer to Subic.  
The People there have been warned to carry gauze masks or 
wet towels in case they need to cover their mouths.  The
sailor involved in the bus accident was a Phillipino.

Message: 75693
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Apro
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 21:01:45

        My Wife was in the truck with the younger boy Tyler.  The pot heads
who shot at her from a friends house (some friends) were doing it for fun.
However, they are not smiling now as criminal charges are being pressed by
me and one other fellow that we know of.  My damage estimate by Bill Luke
Dodge is $314.46 to fix my truck alone.  I am waiting to talk to a detective
shortly as the case is under investigation even though in our investigation
we now know all the names.

        This all happened on 37th Ave, just north of Bell.

        One of the parents of two of the people involved have already
stopped over to talk to us and apologize, however we are not dropping
criminal charges...  and neither is the other guy who got his car windows
shot out with his wife and baby in the car.  He is REALLY upset....

        *=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

P.S.  If they had hit my wife, I may have just gone up the street and killed
them all.  I am quite upset myself.  I would have been wrong to do so in the
eyes of the law, but I love my wife!

Message: 75694
Author: $ Mike Carter
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Shooting
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 21:09:35

"Doing it for fun" ?
 
I wonder what they do when they are upset.

Message: 75695
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Shooting
Date: 06/12/91  Time: 21:54:26

It's that Devil, killer weed again, raising its ugly head.  That pot will do
it every time.

Take a mild mannered, calm person and give him pot and you've got another
Charles Manson on your hands.  Damn.

And all this time I thought it was probably you or Sandy practicing quick
draw again with loaded weapons.