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Apollo BBS Archive - June 15, 1989


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Message: 2321
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: ST 5
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 01:25:51

You would think that after 23 or so years people would learn how to spell
"Trek".

Message: 2322
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Review/Critique
Subject: James/Last
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 11:35:35

        Hey, give me a break!
        I am depressed over the movie ..........
        My life will never be the same ......... (sob, sob)

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Message: 2323
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Question?
Subject: last/the same
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:30:52

The same as WHAT?


Message: 2324
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Poetry
Subject: Ralph
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:29:44

Hey Ralph, are you trying to improve on Ogden Nash?  Shoot me, too!

Love you, too
                                                   ****  Gary   ****

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Message: 3180
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 01:26:54

My what?

Message: 3181
Author: $ Sandy SYSOP
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 11:38:45

        Your actual sized 'pen' that looks like a 1/100 scaled down model of
the real 'Thang'.

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Message: 3182
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last 20
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:31:51

        You are all a big bunch of DICKHEADS!  What else could I say?


Message: 3183
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:34:54

Where's all that liberal compassion for that poor mis-shapen guy with the
out of proportion dick, Ann?

Besides, a woman's place is on the bottom, I thought someone once said!

I never complain if a woman is too big or too small in the boob department.
I just get a hard tongue, whatever!

                                                   ****  Gary   ****

Message: 3184
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Gary/dick
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 14:49:28

I do have liberal compassion for poor mis-shapen guys with out of proportion
dicks! However, I want nothing to do with them! Being an American, I have
the right to pick and choose and blah, blah, blah! 

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Message: 59243
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Question?
Subject: Rod
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 01:31:04

Are you registered to vote?  

Message: 59244
Author: Robert Mulligan
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Goddard
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 04:08:04

Let us hope, Peter, that a strong enough candidate will run against him, and
beat him. The guy is ripe for the picking. He will, of course, cry that it
is a negative campaign, when the person points out all the uses for the
money he wasted on the race, the ramming of the ampitheatre which was
promptly regurgitated by the residents, etc etc. It's always dirty politics
when you talk about someone's negative. When in reality, it is everything.
If you can't use an incumbants mistakes against him, there is no way to get
rid of him...

Message: 59245
Author: Robert Mulligan
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Initiative
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 04:10:03

Makes them sound real good. They want to beat the citizens in something
they want...Serve your constituency, eh?

Message: 59246
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Peter/do next
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 06:16:09

 Well, Peter, there is a group called the Voters Initiative Coalition that
is working very hard to get signatures on the petition that, if placed on
the ballott and passed in October, will successfully put some reins on the
playboys in city hall.
 Other than that, about all I can think of is to pray that they don't waste
too much effort and money before then, and then vote them ALL out at the
next election. Personally, I am prepared to vote against every single
incumbent in city government, regardless of who runs against them. (Heck, I
might even vote for you Peter!)
 I don't know if we can stop them with some legal maneuver prior to that
time or not. Hopefully some legal mind can come up with a temporary
restraining order on the council, or something. Any other ideas out there?

Message: 59247
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ballot Access
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 09:20:36

  In answer to some questions I have been asked about the ballot access
petition drive:
  The Libertarian Party has to circulate petitions in order to appear on the
ballot for each election in which they have not qualified to be on the
ballot automatically. This automatic qualification can be achieved by either
having a high enough percentage of voter registration or by receiving a high
enough percentage of votes in the last election. The Arizona Libertarian
Party got its last automatic qualification when Sam Steiger ran for governor
and drew the required votes. If the party qualifies by petition all
candidates will be on the ballot, each candidate does not have to petition
separately. I don't have the figures at hand, but I think it would take
something like a doubling of registered Libertarians to qualify in that way
or five percent of the vote in the Governor's race to qualify for the next
election.
   Many Libertarians feel that there should not be any such requirements for
ballot access, but I am not one of them. In my opinion, if we can't register
enough people to win permanent ballot access eventually we will have failed
as a Party anyway and free ballot access would only encourage frivolous
filings by every nut case in the state at election time. I would support
lowering the requirement for voter registration to some set amount like 1000
or so. This would prevent one-shot joke parties from cluttering up the
ballot forever, but reduce the drain on manpower involved in keeping an
on-going party on the ballot.

Message: 59248
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last few & Paul
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 09:41:48

        Good Posts people!  Nice getting up after a hot night and to see
that the board was busy.
        Paul, I have signed that petition already.  I just hope we are not
too late.  As you are, I am also going to vote against every incumbent in
city government that voted for any of these stupid projects, and I don't
care what party they are in.
        I will sign Dean's petition then.... send one over!  If the
Libertarians would re-write their platform proposals a little better, I
would also re-register to become a Libertarian.
        The Libertarian platform is still in the ibrary for 1988.  I do
not know if any changes to it have occurred since then.  Did you know they
even have a plank for CHINA.   The file is called LIBPLAT and is in ASCII.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 59249
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/Meisler
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 10:24:12

I too am sad because I think it's the truth. I do not feel that Rod was full
of glee. He was just proving his point all along that this world can be real
sick. Here we are, trying to solve China's problems and we have our own that
go un-solved. -=*) ANN (*=-

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Message: 59250
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Answer!
Subject: Hawley
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:35:17

        No.  They are all alike and corrupt to boot.  Hope you feel better
now.

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 1:enerally accepted since 1929 findings by American scientist
22:Edwin Hubble.
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23:is changing, which has more of an unknown element."  
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Message: 59251
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Bulletins
Subject: PRESS RELEASE 2 post
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:36:26

                      POLL FINDS 'COSMIC ILLITERACY'

UPI CAMBRIDGE, Mass. -- Many American adults suffer from "cosmic
illiteracy." with nearly half surprised to find out the sun is a star,
researchers said.

A nationwide survey of 1,111 adults found only 55 percent knew the sun
is a star, only 37 percent believed the sun eventually will burn out,
and only 24 percent knew the universe is expanding.

"Only a third of American adults have a minimally acceptable
understanding of the universe," researchers from the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology and Northern Illinois University concluded
recently in the British journal SOCIAL STUDIES OF SCIENCE.

When asked whether the sun is "a planet, a star or something else," 25
percent said the sun is a planet, 15 percent said it was something
else, and 5 percent had no idea whatsoever.

Only 24 percent of those surveyed thought the universe is expanding, a
concept generally accepted since 1929 findings by American scientist
Edwin Hubble.

Message: 59252
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Bulletins
Subject: last
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:37:19

Only 37 percent of those polled said the sun eventually will burn
out.

"That was established in the 19th century by Lord Kelvin, a British
physicist," said MIT Professor Alan Lightman, who co-authored the
study.

The MIT scientist said he was pleased that 62 percent agreed that the
universe contains "thousands of planets like our own on which life
could have developed."

However, only 10 percent answered all four questions correctly.

The study found greater astronomical knowledge among young people,
males, the better educated and non-churchgoers, the researchers said.

The study also found a strong personal preference for a static
universe, independent of age, gender, education or church membership.

"There seems to be a very psychological need in people for stability
and control," Lightman said.  "A universe that is static and not
moving is a little easier to be comfortable with than a universe that
is changing, which has more of an unknown element."  
            Interesting eh?  -Rod

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 1:I could mail you a petition and if you know anyone else who would sign you 
 2:could then mail it to Dean.  If anyone else out there in coputer land wishes
 3:a copy to be mailed to them, let me know.  Send mail.  -Rod
 4:(THIS IS TO GET THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY ON THE 1990 BALLOT IN ARIZONA)
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Message: 59253
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:40:06

I could mail you a petition and if you know anyone else who would sign you
could then mail it to Dean.  If anyone else out there in coputer land wishes
a copy to be mailed to them, let me know.  Send mail.  -Rod
(THIS IS TO GET THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY ON THE 1990 BALLOT IN ARIZONA)


Message: 59254
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Question?
Subject: Rod...
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:07:55

"the better educated and non-churchgoers, the researcher said".... Rod, send
me a photo copy of that text and the rags name you got that out of.  I do
not see what wether you go to church or not has to do with that.
        
        By the way, I would have gotten all those correct.

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Message: 59255
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: Libertarian ballot
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:13:12

        And when they are on the ballot, why are the number of votes for
libertarians so hard to get when the returns come in?

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Message: 59256
Author: $ Gary Jones
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Illiteracy
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:27:51

Rod - A lot of people think that God created the universe in six days about
six thousand years ago.  Gues one never knows what to believe, huh?

                                                   ****  Gary   ****

Message: 59257
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: Taranto/#59231
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 14:45:08

There are a few flaws in your post. "And that is what makes this country so
great -- our government was deliberately set up not to have absolute power."
(your quote!) 'Set up' is the key word here - but daily, yearly, that is
changing. If you think that China & Russia have 'absolute power' and our
government does not, you are mistaken. I agree that in those countries if I
mouthed off with my 'obnoxious & obscene views' views as you put it, I would
be shot. As an American, I have the right to do so - so far that is! I have
a right to carry a gun if I wish - again, so far! (Their nibbling away at
that right now!) Of course, we have the right to vote - but who do we vote
for? Do we choose the candidates? No! That last election was my point
exactly - we had choices between a bunch of boobs! Some wonderful right that
was! (I voted a write in - which is one of the things I DO re: "My list of
complaints about America" - your quote again!)
You think our government doesn't have absolute power? Then you do not know
about the IRS! Those three little words puts fear in the hearts of all
Americans. (Even if you never cheated on tax in your life) You'd be better
off taking a gun, going into a Circle K - shooting the clerk and several
bystanders than trying to evade paying even a $1,000 in taxes. You'll end up
in jail for a longer stretch - IF you ever do get out! Through the present
tax system, the gov. has the right to take away your land, home, &  material
possessions. I.E. - you have a home paid for but can't afford to pay $2,000
in taxes. They flat take it, sell it at the value they deem fit and take
their money. (Who else has that kind of power over the people?) You even
have to get their permission to sue them.
Being as young as you are, you do not have past examples to remember when
this country was more free. But for the life of me, I can't figure out why
you don't see where it's headed! Their gnawing away at us and you can only
sit back and Praise America - Hallelujah - and condemn other's for not
liking what's going on! So what do you do? You go out and rally for China!
As I said before, a nobel cause but if the gov. refuses to do anything about
it, what do you hope for? If you have these ambitions, then go out and do
something to make America better. Lord only knows, your certainly in a
better position to do so than most of us!
 Re: Meisler: I still think you are a prime example of the 'smugness' in
America he refered to. To coin an old addage - "You cannot see the forest
for the trees!'

Message: 59259
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Politics
Subject: China students...
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 17:30:28

        I hear today they are handing down a DEATH sentence to those charged
with starting a 'Riot'?  The old Communist propaganda show with so called
criminals and signs of their crimes hanging from their necks adore Chinese
T.V. sets.  Ann, how can you even think that our government comes close to
this?  I am pleased to say, there is a BIG differance between our Government
and thiers, even though we have some minor problems.  I feel for those brave
students in China fighting the best they can for what Ann takes for granted.

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SYSOP *=*

Message: 59260
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cliff/last
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 17:57:54

        I am not positive but my understanding concerning the death
sentences that were handed down was from students starting a fire on a train
that caused six deaths.  If that is the case then the laws in this country
are the same. 

        As far as the UPI post that concerns people not knowing whether the
sun is a star or whether the universe is static or not, I have this to say
about that:  The clipping is right in front of my eyes.  I clipped it from
the Arizona Republic and it was in last Sundays issue.  I quoted it word for
word and I neither added or subtracted from it one iota.

        Yes, I am aware that you as well as the vast majority of the people
who are into computers are more aware of the nature of things than the
average, non-communicating joe blow.  Because of this I think that such an
organization as Apollo, the members, can cause an effect on the state of
things.  I have seen where a small group of people have changed a nation. 
We are more literate than the average.

        I too wonder why the Libertarian vote totals as well as the Party
itself is ignored by the main media.  I can see what the establishment has
to fear if they, the Libertarians, gain a foothold and I think that therein
lies the answer to our question.  The current administration does not want
to do away with the IRS and they do not want to make drugs legal.  Many
would lose their jobs.  -Rod

Message: 59261
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gary
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 17:59:12

        I always thought the universe was created on July 25, 1942.  But
what do I know.

Message: 59262
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: JT
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 18:00:31

        I mailed a letter to my friend last evening concerning specifics on
political prisioners.  I stressed that I needed to know that information. 
Hopefully he will respond soon.   Rod


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Message: 422
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Shit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 01:32:47

U hav shitt fur branes.

Message: 423
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Shit-Chat
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 02:26:52

Are you one of the guys hanging around 2nd and Portland?

Message: 424
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Shit-Chat
Subject: Rod/#419/ T. paper
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 10:37:43

Hahahahahahahahahaha. That was a very funny mini story! That takes insult of
the week prize! -=*) ANN (*=-

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 1:Thank you but I must admit that I made it all up.  It wasn't spaghetti, it 
 2:was Texas chili.  And the specks were not all brown as some of them were 
 3:green and yellow.  Thanks again.
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Message: 425
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:41:46

Thank you but I must admit that I made it all up.  It wasn't spaghetti, it
was Texas chili.  And the specks were not all brown as some of them were
green and yellow.  Thanks again.

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 2:female company that he could really give a 'hard time' to.  Just a thought.
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Message: 426
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 12:42:45

JT sure knows how to give a person a hard time.  Perhaps he should find
female company that he could really give a 'hard time' to.  Just a thought.



Message: 427
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Texas chili
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 13:14:56

        I don't eat Texas Chili....  but James Hawley does.

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Message: 428
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Shit-Chat
Subject: Rod/hard
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 14:50:34

I always did think JT was hard up. -=*) ANN (*=-

Message: 429
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Ann/JT
Date: 06/15/89  Time: 18:03:47

        I think that the best thing that could happen to JT would be for him
to join the SDS (Students for a Democratic Society) or the Weather
Underground.  


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