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Apollo BBS Archive - June 28-30, 1998



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Message: 3806
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:27:22

Well, I won't bother picking on you for that.

Message: 3807
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Educating David
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 09:08:24

You failed to capitalize "English"

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Message: 3806
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:27:22

Well, I won't bother picking on you for that.

Messa

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Message: 3803
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 06/27/88  Time: 20:47:11

Oh, sorry. That should have been...
"Anyhow, are you satisfied?"
You know, with a QUESTION MARK.
Sorry Daryl.

Message: 3804
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cheating, the truth
Date: 06/27/88  Time: 22:39:12

        I didn't attend school very much and I never became familiar with
cheating however I have learned to cheat in my job.  I file the sidebar on
GM locks to make the key work better.

Message: 3806
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:27:22

Well, I won't bother picking on you for that.

Message: 3807
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Educating David
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 09:08:24

You failed to capitalize "English" in your message criticizing Michelle's
ability to use it.

Message: 3808
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: David Burkhart
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:35:59

I left 2 messages explaining more
about my posts. I left them in
PRIVATE Mail, due to respect.
So, please read them.
 
Michelle

Message: 3809
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Question?
Subject: Status Users
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:37:34

Tell me, and don't ignore the 
subject, are you all upset at
my posts also? See, David seems
like a smart guy. I doubt he would
talk with out "Back up". 
Input please.

Message: 3810
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 18:21:52

If I thought you were stupid, I wouldn't criticize your attitude toward
cheating.  I simply agree with Paul that the only person you are cheating is
yourself.

Message: 3811
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Mike James
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 18:22:59

I did that on purpose to avoid appearing pretentious.

Message: 3812
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Kars / Automotive
Subject: Rod
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:24:38

Never, NEVER, file the sidebar.

Message: 3813
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:46:04

Speaking of 'Files'....  where the hell is mine?

Message: 3814
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Michelle...
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:48:27

        Your post on 'Cheating in schools' sure drew a lot of good
responses, so I think it was GREAT!    Good topic that I never heard debated
here before.
        Good work Michelle.....

SYSOP Cliff

Message: 3815
Author: $ Pat Stoddard
Category: Answer!
Subject: Michelle's posts
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 21:51:42

Michelle,
    I have no problem with you rposts. I could have posted more, but the
posts would be incriminating enough to put me in possible legal troubles. I
didn't have to cheat (not too much, anyway), but part of the (dare I say)
fun is seeing how well it can be pulled off. My best try was the copy
machine trick, and the whole class took part in it. The class, in which
half of it was the top 10 to 15% of my graduating H.S. class, was oh-so
willing to do it. That helps in the attempt to pull the stunt off. 
No problem talking about the cheating - but don't do it too much.
 
Later...                                                 Pat

Message: 3816
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Answer!
Subject: Michelle
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 05:46:31

Your posts don't bother me at all, Michelle.
 I was just saddened by the thought that you perhaps cheaed your way through
a valuable education, and thereby cheated yourself out of the greatest
opportunity afforded any American youth. THat is why I responded as I did,
and will still stand by my premise that when you cheat, you are the only
loser. Best of luck in all you do with your life.
Paul

Message: 3817
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Michelle/posts
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 09:02:48

Nothing wrong with your posts. You found out others cheated too. It didn't
seem to affect you, so why not? 'To thy own self be true'! Only you can know
if it hurt you. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 3818
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cheating
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 10:11:58

   I believe cheating is very wrong.  I can't tell you how vital it has been
in my life to know the difference between a metphor and a simile.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
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Message: 3819
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: CLIFFY
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 14:18:47

Thank you Cliff. I am glad you
are impressed. I couldn't have
posted that message without with
BBS, so thank YOU again! Keep up
the good work.
 
Oh, you never answered. Did you
ever cheat in school? Fess up!
 
Michelle

Message: 3821
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Pat
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 14:23:46

Thanks for replying Pat! Did you
REALLY do something THAT bad to have
a possible law case against you?
I wonder what it was..
 
I will be studying Law pretty soon.
My goal is to be a Lawyer, but I
will not let out your secret. Hehe.

Message: 3823
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Again..
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 14:27:33

Thanks Paul Savage and Ann Ouden.
I appreciate it. 
 
I was trying to ask the users if they
minded my spelling errors also. I
believe everyone has errors, so 
I decided to ignore that post. It
is CLEAR That David was the only
one that it annoyed (well that made
it public), BUT he will live.
Everyone will live, so let's have
FUN!
 
Michelle

Message: 3824
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 19:33:30

I wasn't annoyed.  I was simply expanding on Paul Savage's points.  I also
was somewhat amused by your barely intelligible message maintaining that you
had earned your high GPA.
Your defense that you don't proofread messages is somewhat plausible, but
you do consistently use double negatives and misuse words.
Anyway, go ahead and write your messages however you like.

Message: 3825
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cheat?
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 00:10:49

        Who me???  You bet your bippy I cheated...  Very little, but I
am paying for it as I use to cheat in "Spelling"......   I wish I had
learned more by doing it the honest way.
        Boy David, you are a "Kill Joy".... Re: "Post your posts anyway..."
Lighten up and let people communicate however they can.

Message: 3826
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 19:52:09

Cliff, I can't picture you cheating
in class. Well, yeah I can. You
probably were chasing after every
female there and did not have time.
 
Thanks also for kinda sticking up
for me at the end of that post. 
It's so weird how people are so
nice and kind in private mail,
and then change in public. I am
still a "Teeny-bopper". I have
not reached the age of "David 
maturity" yet. Have you?
 
Take care...
Michelle
 
*What's everyone doing for the
4th?*

Message: 3827
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last on Age
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 21:44:49

        I hope I never get that old...

Message: 3828
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Believe it or not!
Subject: Gemini...
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 21:59:44

        Well, Inventory is getting down a bit, and I have managed to pay
most of my creditors off...  I still have a few to go before they will all
be "Happy".   My inventory is still too large to dump so I am forced to stay
open a few more weeks.  I have noticed that some of my more friendly
distributors and reps have been dropping off 'Leader' items to help me get
traffic.  I am impressed and of course gratefull. Why some have even sent me
customers... (where were they before my disaster?)
        Anyway, The sale is going well and with help from the above people,
it's almost like 'Re-stocking'... but they will be back to pull out their
inventory when I get mine down low enough to close the doors.  
        I wish it were over so I could get on with finding a job...  So far
non of the distributers have offered me anything in that department.  
        Just thought I would let you guys and gals know what was going
on....and not to worry....  Have a Happy 4th!!!!!!  I plan to try by
forgetting I have a Store.... Sigh (tm) Dean M

Cliff....

P.S. Thanks to all you users who have been so helpfull.... love ya!

Message: 3829
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff on Michelle
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:02:20

You miss the point, Cliff.  I was not criticizing Michelle for her lack of
English skills; rather, I was pointing out that her claim that she was
getting a complete education was shown to be untrue by her poor grammar.
I think people should try to use proper grammar and spelling, but as Michael
James pointed out, I don't always succeed myself.  My spelling isn't very
good, for instance.  But you have to admit that a statement like "I do not
feel I was cheated of nothing" is pretty funny.
In any case, I've been getting hate mail from Michelle ever since I posted
the first message.  Her last letter said "YOUR MESSAGE NEVER MENTIONED
CHEATING!" which shows that her command of the facts is even weaker than her
command of the English language.  All of my messages were directly related
to cheating, and I only brought up her grammar as an example -- the only
available one, since she hasn't been posting any algebra.

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Message: 682
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last?
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:51:41

What??? Rod, I do not know what
you are talking about. PLEASE
EXPLAIN! I haven't wrote you
mail in ages...

Message: 683
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Answer!
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:52:43

I was just suggesting a board.
This will always be our "True LOve".
PLUS, it is a message that is
going on ALL THE BOARDS. I will 
never give up Apollo for another.

Friends,
Michelle

Message: 684
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Answer!
Subject: COMPUTER!
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 16:55:02

James and Rod:
 
Someone was advertising an Atari
800 xl, with disk drive and
monitor for $500.00 in today's
paper. 
 
THAT IS NOTHING! I am asking a
messly $300.00 for EVERYTHING.
The printer, the disk drive,
computer, and modem. Shhhh, I
may as well throw in my T.V. (
which is my monitor) so you will
buy! Here...this is a special just
for you users!!
 
What do you think?

Message: 685
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Hardware
Subject: Michelle
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:29:23

So what if some guy advertised his system for $500?  I know someone with a
system almost like yours who is selling for $250.  It is always difficult to
sell old systems.  I'm not trying to denegrate your computer.

You might try advertising your system on ST BASE, the number should be in
the O command on the main system.

It is very doubtful that someone on this board will buy your computer. 
Almost everyone is using an ST, and getting a 8 bit would be a big step
back.  I do think you will get more money by piecing your system out.

 

Message: 686
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Michelle
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 19:51:18

        Thanks dear...   I am pleased you consider Apollo BBS a 'True Love'
Plus BBS....  Gee, that was a nice post!!!!!

Thanks.....

Message: 687
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: James
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 14:34:03

When selling anything, you should
try every available space to 
advertise. This is an Atari board,
so there was my message. How did
I know you weren't going to buy?
Maybe you were looking for a
birthday present for a friend who
would love a computer...or 
something like that! Gez, I tried.

Message: 688
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Last...
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 00:13:00

        You are correct Michelle....  I have mentioned your computer to
possable buyers....because you posted it here.   Just keep on posting if you
wish, never mind the users who can't think beyond "Square One"

Message: 689
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Michelle
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 02:25:08

I was merely informing you of the current market situation.  Are you
upgrading, or are you merely strapped for cash?

Message: 690
Author: $ Michelle Reynolds
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: My situation.
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 20:01:50

Seriously, it isn't any of your
business why I am selling. BUT, I
will tell you!! I am in need for
cash pretty badly. I do not 
plan on getting another computer
for along time, so once it is
gone.. I will also be! Life's
hard.

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Message: 1531
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Re-BuTTal
Subject: Zak's rant
Date: 06/27/88  Time: 23:23:58

That's GULLET, you human-being-wanna-be !
 
Rev. Beau

Message: 1532
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Re-BuTTal
Subject: It's a Dog's Life
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 02:32:26

Gullet SMULLET, there's something disgusting on this sig, I can SMELLIT. 
It's you, you, you, Reverend Beuregard Dog.  You vomit-encrusted zombie, go
stick a chicken in your underwear you lowlife limburger leech.  Can't you
come up with something better than "human-being-wanna-be"?  My phrases,
though incoherent, AT LEAST are aesthetic in their phonetics.  And YOU,
Cliff, you hamburger-heaving hermit hermaphrodite, choke on chiggers in
chili, you reeking rotten rastafarian rapper.  Zap yourself dead, dude...
Smoke miles of piles of puppy poopies and eat gobs-o-swabs from the ear of
whosobeith the most near, such as Sandy sysop, that dandy glop of precious
lice who's so very nice...but I must admit, James White was right, you have
no wit you mindless twit, and as for you, Ann Oudin, you wild wench who's
free of sin, your days are numbered almost done, don't mess with me I'll
have your bun.  Hon.  That's all for now but heed my warn - the rain is
comin, that rain be pourin'.  Arf arf.

Message: 1533
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Up Yours
Subject: Satan
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:32:01

Satan does not have complete control. He lets me put all the impure thoughts
into Rod's mind.

Message: 1534
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Zak
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 10:38:10

Have you gone completely off your rocker fellow? Is that what you learned in
school? My, my, guess I'll have to get another 'book' together for you. It
would be intitled 'How not to Sin'! Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 1535
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 21:15:08

Go for it, Ann.  I could use the influence of your wisdom in this
rapidly-proceeding series of situations, decisions and derisions called
"life".

Message: 1536
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last....
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 00:18:58

        Zak, you really are a dork if you post a message with Ann and the
word "wisdom" in the same sentence.  Maybe I should upload the 'Self
Portrait' of Ann that was drawn a few months ago.... before the 'Mighty'
SYSOPs turned her into a "worm", and she crawled off to some dark corner.
        This is your last warning to get your act together or it will be
back to  the Way Below o SIG for more potty training.
        
P.S. Graduates of that SIG include Rod Williams and Mike Carter.

Message: 1537
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last...
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 07:27:51

... and we all know that Cliffy has his tongue firmly planted in his cheek,
 
Hmmm. I know a good quote about tongue-in-cheek, but it escapes me for the
moment.
 
Hey Cliff!  Are you *really* going out of business, or are you just ripping
us all off by selling a lot of old junk so that you can restock?

Message: 1538
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Never mind Cliff!
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 09:07:46

Do not show Zakey Baby that portrait --- PLEASE! I've seen it enough to last
a life time. And Zak, because of the threat from the Mighty Sysop of Apollo,
I will not compile anymore albums of wisdom! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

Message: 1539
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Ann and Cliff
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 22:08:50

Cliff - you're too weird, dude.  Ann's wisdom is there.  Not often, but it
shows itself subtly from time to time.  Which is a helluva lot more than i
can say for YOU.  You may be 39 physically but it's clear to me that your
mind is about 17.  Grow up, dude!

Ann - Your self-portrait is *that* bad?  Is that any indication of how you
feel about yourself?  It's ok Ann, actually you're not a half-bad human
being in my book.  So stand tall, lady, walk with dignity!  Walk like...like
an Egyptian, that's right, like Cleopatra!  On second thought...sit down.

Dogbreath - take a bath or something.

   YOU'RE ALL WIMPS!

Message: 1540
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Question ?
Subject: Insult Sic
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 22:11:07

What's the Insult Sig?  I thought that was what this was.

Message: 1541
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last....
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 00:15:23

        The INSult SIG is for people with BRAINs... Sorry you don't qualify!

Cliff  (Grin)

Message: 1542
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: Zak/portrait
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 08:56:12

I DID NOT draw my self portrait - Cliff or Sandy did, but they never
admitted it. A few months back, I got on the kick of drawing people on
Apollo. Well, to make a long story short, pictures of Sandy & Cliff got
kinda out of hand - grotesque so to speak. In one set of drawings, Cliff's
penis was so tiny, it would take a magnifying glass to find it and Sandy's
'breast works' were so concave and 'pea' sized, ditto the magnifying glass.
So they, being the Mighty Sysops they are with the powers that come with it
- drew a horriable picture of me - spread it on every sig. - it even
appeared right after I signed my name! They did it to look like 'I did it'
and intitled it 'My Self Portrait'! Well, I learned NOT to fool with the
Sysops after that and now only draw good, flattering ones. Now - if I draw
one of them, Cliff's penis is as it is in real life - huge! And Sandy ---
she's like 'WOW'! Ta ta. =*--ANN--*=
P.S. Don't mess with the Sysops!

Message: 1543
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer !
Subject: Last
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 17:28:25

Don't tell me that Cliff has been showing you his penis again!

Message: 1544
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Cosmos-Chatter
Subject: last
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:05:36

Cliff shows everybody his penis.  It's kind of a bad habit of his.

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Message: 68
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Dog Doo-Doo
Subject: Cliff/last
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 18:04:41

I just can't believe how much gall you guys have in wanting to race my car!
Nick has a fairly newish car, but it is an off road vehicle at best and
couldn't race a 1945 Ford for very far! He might be able to beat my dog
Bumper to the cornor if he's lucky and doesn't stop to pee! (The dog that
is, not Nick!) And you! You have something called a 'Cuda' - which is short
for Barracuda I presume --- you want to beat me with a 'fish'? A old, worn
out fish? What the hell you got under the hood? -- 700 horse? Or 700 old
'grey mares' that you have to whip to get them going? Anyway - I see that my
car being aerodynamically designed has no effect on you as doesn't Rick
mears or the racing engine or the racing tires. Be wared that my car has
recently been fined tuned at Lou Grubb - the computer has the brains of
Einstein (sp) and is working perfectly - I have over 500 horse under the
hood that are straining at the bit to make you eat dirt, black or other
wise - and Andy Granitelli will do the driving! Also be advised that a
Corvette won the Grand Prix last year in Monte Carlo! I'll just bet THAT
scared the 'peeps' out of you blow hards. A JEEP and a Fish!! Geeze!
=*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

Message: 69
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Crapola
Subject: Nick the priest
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 18:06:21

Forgive me father, for I have sinned! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

Message: 70
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: ANNIE the Fanny
Subject: Ann's tire burner
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 01:57:57

I guess you haven't noticed, but there is a third digit on that speedometer
of yours. Give it a try sometime. I had an '84 Corvette, and I know that the
speedos are limited (a software limitation, I'm told) to about 156.

Don't boast to me about having magazines written about your car -- there are
magazines written about model trains, and I'm not worried about being beaten
by one of them.

My car is faster than yours, that's all I'm going to say about it. You're
just chicken.

Message: 71
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: ANNIE the Fanny
Subject: Nick
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 02:28:45

Needless to say, Nick got a new car a few months back.

Now was that a Ferrari, or a Pantera, Nick?

Message: 72
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Crapola
Subject: Panteras
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 03:21:52

Panteras are nothing but disguised Fords.

Message: 73
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Crapola
Subject: Nick
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 09:04:21

Lets just say we have had the car over 85 miles per hour! 
You know all about my car, but you won't tell me about yours??? Not fair! I
know of a guy in Show Low that has a 1960 chevey! He's a racer. I don't know
what he's got under that hood, but that's the fastest car I ever saw! One
night, very late, we had both stopped at a light and was chatting (side by
side) I was driving a Cadillac that was no slouch, but when the light
changed, before I could get my foot on the throttle, he was already up the
street! No screech, no buning of rubber - he was GONE! It was almost like he
was in a time machine - here now, then appeared up the street a couple
seconds later! =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

Message: 74
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Dog Doo-Doo
Subject: Cliff
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 09:06:11

I vote to get Zak on this sig. HE is the master of insults! Anyone else
agree? =*--ANNIE THE FANNY--*=

Message: 75
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Nick the GEEK!
Subject: Pantera
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 17:29:27

But it can go faster than your car.

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Message: 1485
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/26/88  Time: 03:47:15

Most men are up past their bedtime.

Message: 1486
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/27/88  Time: 01:19:55

Most men are up at least until the first Rae of dawn. 

ha ha

Message: 1487
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Zak
Date: 06/27/88  Time: 03:32:35

You're a geek.

Message: 1488
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Nick
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 02:36:52

So now there are two people who overtly say I am a geek:  James Taranto and
Nick Ianuzzi.  Any others care to step forward?  Go ahead, join the club, it
really doesn't bother me.

Join the "Zak's a Geek!" club!  All members receive FREE, upon membership, a
"Zak Woodruff - Geek Through And Through" T-Shirt, available in red, yellow,
light blue, and white.

Go ahead - join!

Message: 1489
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:45:03

Quit being such a geek.

Message: 1490
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Yawn...
Subject: Zak
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 01:46:30

Geek?  That's a little too harsh.  He is 'unique'.

"A toon killed my brother."

Message: 1491
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Yawn...
Subject: Zak
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 01:13:12

I dunno, I think he has a little Geek in him.

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Message: 52876
Author: $ Carol Graham
Category: Answer!
Subject: Nick/#52866
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 00:47:52

He could also stand a good modification, right?

Message: 52877
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Rod/Mankind
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 01:33:33

  Children come into the world and are subjected to a withering stream of
illogical ramblings which often prevent them from developing the ability
to reason for themselves. I speak of such nonsense as declaring compassion
to be a superior alternative to individual rights, or claiming that a
worker who has the right to quit his job, take his assets, and leave the
country any time he chooses is a slave.
  It is no wonder that a creature conditioned to accept and perpetuate such
evil notions without question would also be unable to see any achievement
of mankind as worthwhile. Since you often express a hunger to return to
a sub-man state of less technology and a dependence on the good will of
the tribe for survival it follows that nothing which elevates man further
from that dismal condition would interest you.
  See you later,
     Dean H.

Message: 52878
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
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Message: 52878
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 04:24:30

Ann, your facts are incorrect. A properly tuned older car will not have
emissions as low as that of a new vehicle. You apparently are not aware of
the strides in emissions controls and fuel management.

I also do not believe that the "shade tree" mechanic will forever we put off
by computer controlled vehicles. True, they are much more involved to
troubleshoot, but it is possible to pinpoint just about any problem with a
set of jumper leads and a digital multimeter. Backyard tinkerers as well as
hot rodders must learn to think in different terms, that's all.

Message: 52879
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick/last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 10:33:22

What you say could be right, but my point was - we are just covering up the
real problems period. We can have better cars, emmissions testing, Catalytic
(sp) converters, computer run cars, fuel injection etc etc, but it is only a
panacea. Fossil fuel is polluting and will eventually run out. They just
continue with all of this, with no end seemingly in sight - we pay and pay
through the nose for it all. I should say we are penalized! We can buy a car
off the show room floor and it might not pass emmissions. We have to pay for
all of this 'cover up' when we buy a car. Even if they took away 3/4 of the
pollution from cars, that's still too much when you get them in a cluster
like a city and the freeways. There is going to cause pollution no matter
what. Some of it is unfair too. We don't make older cars go through
emmissions nor do we make the thousands of Snow Birds do it either. Just the
residents are penalized for owning and needing a car. The city(ies) doesn't
try in the least for mass transportation and even if they did - the city
busses are exempt and belch smoke. Yeah - I know that diesel fuel doesn't
pollute as much - but if that's a fact, why not make it compulsory that all
new cars be diesel? It's all a sham. A gigantic business. If you do not
agree with this - what is your alternitive to it? What about the 'green
house effect'? Do you belive that? Are you a 'shade tree mechinic'? If so,
how do you go about fixing the computer when it goes haywire? =*--ANN--*=

Message: 52880
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: The SYSOP Speaks
Subject: Gemini, the Saga
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 15:26:41

continues, for a few more weeks it looks like.....  I just have too 
much inventory to just...leave!!!  My best guess is mid July sometime.
        
        The Sale continues...  lots and lots of good stuff left...
On some things the prices will go down even more.....

Come grab yourself a deal......

Message: 52881
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Freidrich
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 17:11:59

  For anyone like Benjamin the mule who takes the view that
world politics are inherently evil and getting worse all the
time, the world of 1984 represents an almost gratifying
confirmation of all one's gloomiest forbodings.  In this
connection, it is interesting to compare Orwell's 
description of Oceania with his description of James 
Burnham's *The Managerial Revolution*.
  "These people (the 'managers') will eliminate the old
capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organized 
society that all power and economic privilege remain in 
their own hands.  Private property will be abolished but
common ownership will not be established.  The new 
managerial societies will not consist of a patchwork of 
small independent states, but of great superstates grouped
around the main industrial centres of Europe, Asia and 
America.  These superstates will fight among themselves for
possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth
but will probably be unable to conquer one another 
completely.  Internally, each society will be hierarchical,
with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of 
semi-slaves at the bottom."
  This is in effect the world of *1984*, just as it is the
world of Russia and Nazi Germany.  "Bernham's theory is not,
strictly speaking, a new one," Orwell comments.

Message: 52882
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Freidrich
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 17:21:20

"...  As an interpretation of what *is happening* (it) is
extremely plausible, to put it at the lowest ... Where 
Burnham differs from most other thinkers is in trying to 
plot the course of the 'managerial revolution' accurately on
a world scale, and in assuming that the drift towards
totalitarianism is irresistible."
  Orwell, who had spent much of his life fighting against 
this drift and more particularly against the assumption that
the drift was irresistible, severely criticises Burnham for
the power worship that obsesses so many modern intellectuals
throughout all their shifts of allegiance from one power to 
another.
  "It was only *after* the soviet regime became unmistakably
totalitarian that English intellectuals, in large numbers,
began to show interest in it," Orwell wrote.  "Burnham, 
although the English Russophile intelligentsia would 
repudiate him, is really voicing their secret wish: the wish
to destroy the old equalitarian version of Socialism and 
usher in a hierarchical society where the intellectual can 
at last get his hands on the whip."

Message: 52883
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 18:40:02

Why make it "compulsory" to do anything about pollution?  Better to allow
the current trend toward cleaner cars to continue, by imposing costs of
pollution on the drivers of the polluting vehicles.  Instead of not
registering a car which does not pass emmisions, why not charge a fee from
every drive based on their emmision levels?  The money could be directed
toward cleanup.  If we must have government intervention, at least make it
productive.
By the way, I think if you do some research you'd find (as virtually all
reputable scientists have) that we have enough oil to last well through the
rest of your lifetime, and probably mine.  So spending large amounts of tax
dollars on alternative energy forms which won't even be viable for many
years is silly.
I've seen several articles on alternative fuels which could be brought into
production very quickly if the price of oil went high enough to allow them
to compete (around $40 a barrel).

Message: 52884
Author: $ Peter Cervelli
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Imposters
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 22:07:41

For once, I can say with one hundred percent certainty that the current wave
of imposters is not James Taranto.

Message: 52885
Author: $ Peter Cervelli
Category: Answer!
Subject: The Imposter
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 22:12:14

As it turns out, the person behind these unfunny imposters is Zak Woodruff. 
Petrisko was probably involved too.  Anyone needing proof can simply
examine message #1520 on the Cosmos board and #52852 on this board.

Message: 52886
Author: Afro Poat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: ESSAYS
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:13:17

"Why is Mecham Mecham?" An Essay

Evan Mecham is, by his own recognition, a member of the Mormon Church. That
categorizes him as being a Mormon. The record of Mormon governors in the
United States is not a very good one. Because there has never been a Mormon
state governor, we can't tell what impact Mormonism has on the top office in
a state. Taking the recent Mecham fiasco into context, we can examine
several key points. Mecham's religion was the direct result of his downfall.
Or rather, his religion caused his downfall. Mormonism expressly prohibits
anyone from high office from thinking he is someone other than God.
Therefore, to Mecham, he was God, is God and will always be God. The
governor, while being God, is allowed to ridicule other members of the press
and even other races and political parties, since after all, he is God.
Hence the remarks about dissident Democrats, Pickinnies and Homosexuals. As
long as Mecham is in Arizona, he will think he is God and will have absolute
control over the will of all persons in this state. He must be exterminated
like a cockroach, squashed into the ground by the foot of liberalism. Only
that will change this conservative blockhead from a God-Mecham into an
ordinary human.

Message: 52887
Author: Afro Poat
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: SKY
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:20:09

Why is the sky blue? Many scientists have wondered why the sky is the color
it is. Several hundred years ago, an Afghan refugee named Ab-Jackal Hara
determined that the sky's color was inversely related to the number of water
droplets present at 32,168 feet altitude. The minute quantity of water
droplets permit light to enter but filter out the lighter rays, allowing
blue and a mixture of violet and blue at higher altitudes. 600 years later
Einstein improved on this theory, saying that since water is blue, the sky
should be blue also. This has become known as Einstein's Great Law of
Blueness. He reasoned that the sky's color is because of the ocean's color.
Basically, water is the primary factor, not dust or oil or anything else
floating above. You may ask, Then why are clouds white, since clouds are
also water? Well the reason is, the density of a cloud is 84,180 times
greater than the density of water vapor at 32,168 feet altitude. Due to this
greater density, more light reflects from the droplet surfaces, and the
cloud appears white. (Einstein's Second Theory of Meteroroligical Mechanics,
Vol. II, Book 3, 1911.)

Message: 52888
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ron Paul
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:36:44

  A friend took me to see Libertarian Presidential candidate Ron Paul
speak at a Libertarian fund raiser in Scottsdale tonight and it was very
interesting. Sam Steiger was there to introduce him, and made an excellent
presentation himself. When he first looked out over the room (which was
literally overflowing with an unexpectedly large crowd) Sam said, "Having
been associated with this organization since 1982, I know that some of you
people are impostors because there aren't this many Libertarians in the
world!" This cracked up the audience and got the proceedings started on
generally light-hearted note which prevailed almost throughout, but there
was also some truth in the 'impostors' line which became evident later on.
  After Mr. Steiger had finished and introduced him, Mr. Paul spoke on
the progress of the Libertarian campaign this year and went over the party
platform for the benefit of any who did not already know it. He said that
the outlook for Libertarians is much better in this election than ever
before for a number of reasons. He said that George Bush and Michael
Dukakis were very effectively recruiting Libertarians and that the longer
they stay on the campaign trail the better the outlook. In addition, the
IRS and the DEA are working overtime creating new Libertarians as fast
as they can. A tax revolt in Utah produced more Libertarians at this years
state convention than attended the last national convention.

  

Message: 52889
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ron Paul 2
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:37:47

  He explained that there is currently a power struggle going on between
the League of Women Voters and the two major parties for control of the
presidential debates, and that this has opened up what he estimated as a
50/50 chance that the Libertarian candidate may be included in those
debates either by the League, or by whichever party fears them least.
  At the end of his speech he took questions from the audience and handled
himself very well. He explained to questioners how the government could
be returned to serving its intended functions and cease being the instrument
by which one group or individual can plunder another in each of the
situations posed.
  One small group of people kept asking essentially the same question
over and over again in a slightly varied context:"Won't (insert horrible
consequence here) happen if the government allows people the freedom to
(insert presently illegal victimless activity here)?" Mr. Paul calmly
addressed each question and tried to explain that by decriminalizing
these choices the government would not be endorsing them, any more than
it is endorsing every idea or activity that is allowed freedom of
expression today.

Message: 52890
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Politics
Subject: Ron Paul 3
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:38:41

  As the question and answer session ended, Sam Steiger took over and
made a very strong point with the crowd by using the vocal prohibitionist
group as an example. He pointed to them and said that it was a strong
measure of how far government had overstepped its bounds when people had
grown so accustomed to being told what to do at every step that they
can not conceive of something which is neither prohibited nor promoted
by it. They are an example of why the idea of taking responsibility for
one's own actions must be taught to America all over again.
  After this the meeting broke up into simultaneous discussions around
the room and the prohibitionist group established themselves near Mr. Paul
and the group he was talking to and began handing out leaflets and preaching
and arguing so that it was difficult to hear Mr. Paul speak. His aide soon
told him that they had to leave for Tucson and he began working his way out
of the room.
  I walked along with him and we discussed his recent book, "Freedom Under
Siege". I told him that I thought it was very effective and that it made
the Libertarian platform somewhat..I searched for a diplomatic phrase for
a second..and he went straight to the truth: "less radical."
  See You Later,
     Dean H. (unofficial political correspondent for Apollo Eyewitness News)

Message: 52891
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: last
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:50:16

Thanks for the report, Dean.  I was going to see Ron Paul here in San Diego,
but it was during finals week.  I've heard that Paul doesn't handle himself
well in debates (and handled his Firing Line appearance particularly badly),
so it's interesting to hear another perspective.

Message: 52892
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Cervelli/imposters
Date: 06/28/88  Time: 23:54:38

I suspect you're right.  In any case, it's clear it wasn't JT, because the
humor of JT's messages derive from his mimicry of the person's writing
style and ideas.  This person failed to do that, and it seems only tried to
in Cliff's case.  Not too good an attempt.
Taranto's best work was his Mark Addkins.

Message: 52893
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: Sanyo PC/XT
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 00:42:02

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        512 K Ram, Serial & Printer port, 4.77 & 8MHz, 360 K Teac Drive,
        Hercules TTL Graphics (Compatible) adapter
        MS-DOS 3.2 and GW-BASIC, One YEAR warrantee 
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Message: 52894
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 01:25:57

Perhaps you're not aware that a General Motors team just set the world speed
record for an electric powered vehicle in Mesa at the Desert Proving
Grounds. Research on electric, as well as turbine powered vehicles is
ongoing at all the big three auto manufacturers. I don't think that there
are any breakthroughs around the corner (particularly with regard to elecric
vehicles) that will allow a car to be manufactured that is as practical as
those that we currently drive.

As for diesels, don't believe what you hear about them polluting less; they
are major polluters.

GM computers generally are not repaired. If one fails, you bring it to the
dealership where you exchange it for a rebuilt one. They aren't really that
expensive, and their reliability record is impressive.

Message: 52895
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Turbine cars
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 07:24:45

I remember that Chrysler had one back in the late 60's.  It had an
infinitely variable differential, too.
 
Rev. Beau

Message: 52896
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: David/pollution
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 08:37:40

Compulsory? How I hate that word, but something must be done and it
certainly shouldn't be only up to the vehicle owners. Sure, Detroit is
supposedly working on cleaner cars all the time, but never for a minute do I
not think they already have such a thing and will put it to use when they
have to. They will get every bit of profit they can squeeze out of what they
have now - in the mean time, polluting. Why should they hurry for cleaner
cars when it is so profitable or more economical ones when there is such a
demand for parts? =*--ANN--*=

Message: 52897
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Politics
Subject: Dean/Ron Paul
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 08:41:33

Thanks for sharing your meeting with him. Sounds very interesting. I read a
small article in the paper this morning and it said in part -- "Paul favors
such measures as phasing out Social Security, eliminating the personal
income tax and the 'ruthless' Internal Revenue Service, legalizing drugs to
remove the profit motive and using the armed forces for legitimate defense
reather than 'policing the world'"! I will vote for him! =*--ANN--*=

Message: 52898
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick/cars again
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 08:59:12

I don't think General Motors will do much of anything unless they have to.
Glad you told me about diesel fuel polluting. Hardly anyone will admit that.
We can see on our streets any day of the week busses, semis, church busses
and even soom cars beltching out that black gunk that will almost fumigate
 you if your in their line of fire. Common sense tells you it will and
does pollute. Maybe not as bad, but shouldn't we be looking for something
that does't pollute at all or very very little?
Re: the computer in cars --- your car won't work without it - you have to
take it out. How many people can do that? Have the knowledge? Then what?
Call someone to come out at great expense to take it out, test is, fix it
and bring it back?! You can't go to the local parts store and get one. At
least, not that I know of. My point was - it is getting harder and harder to
be that 'shade tree' mechanic. Owning a car means formitable expense and
getting worse, not better. The cars are getting better, but we are at the
mercy of the mechanics, plus the insurance companies, plus the parts stores,
plus Detroit. I know of several people that go up to Prescott to get their
license tags so they won't have to have a smog devise or emissions testing,
plus, they use cheaper, reg. gas. I don't approve - but some of them can't
afford it otherwise. Actually, I have no argument in what you are saying,
but feel something must be done more than they are slowly doing it now. We
are ruining out enviorment at a steady pace. Don't you agree with that? See
you. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 52899
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Question?
Subject: Nick/cars
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 09:57:09

    I wasn't aware that there were different emission standards for
different model years.  For comparison, what are the limits for a later
model car?
    I do admit that my '68 Chevy gets lousy gas mileage, and I will replace
it within the next 6 months or so.  With any luck, anyway.  Old Chevy's are
durable, but 186,000 miles is a little much even so.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 52900
Author: $ Alan Hamilton
Category: Politics
Subject: Libertarians
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 10:07:33

   I have sort of a love/hate relationship with this group.  I agree with a
lot of what they say.  No one can question that the government is too
intrusive and spends too much of our money.
   On the other hand, I don't go along with their feelings on deregulation. 
The vast majority of companies operate in a short-term profit mode.  If
given the chance, they will cut corners in any way possible to increase this
quarter's profits.  This includes things like grossly inadquate fire-safety
systems in buildings (remember the MGM Grand Hotel?) or selling flavored
sugar water as apple juice for babies (Beechnut).  Sure there are civil
suits, but most companies reason (1) "it won't happen to me", (2) "we can
spend more on lawyers than they can," (3) "it'll just hurt the corporate
assets -- I'll just go work somewhere else."
   When a court can order someone to bring a person they killed back to
life, I will have a lot more sympathy for the Libertarians.  Until then, I
would rather see the person not killed in the first place.
 
     /
 /  *  /  Alan
*     *

Message: 52901
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: ADS Software
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 11:34:31

        Inventory, Payroll Accounts Payable, Private Membership Clubs
by ADS  ... was $495.00 per modual...now $10.00 each!!!

Also some EXCALIBUR series business applications software.....
Order Entry, Counter Sales, Depreciation....  $10.00 Each!

This is all IBM type software

Available at Gemini Computer.... for a very short time however.

Message: 52902
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Cars
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 12:01:09

  If you were General Motors and had developed a practical non-polluting
vehicle would you A. Keep it a secret until someone else had developed one
and marketed it (making all your research a waste of money), or B. market it
and reap the rewards of a whole new niche in the market that no one else was
prepared to compete in?
  See you later,
    Dean H.

Message: 52903
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: DEan/Detroit
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 17:38:18

Sorry, but I cannot believe that Detroit does not have something better
already! Probablly many things. In the early 1960s, my husband knew a man
back in Wyoming that created something for the carborator that increased gas
millage by 50% He took it to some big company in Detroit - they bought it
from him, and it's not been heard of since. Because he sold the rights,
nothing could be done. Too bad it was so long ago because the guy is dead
now. He couldn't even use it on his own car legally after he sold it - and
they came to Wyoming to check up on him too! I've heard a lot of stories
like this one over the years - many sound crack pot, but some do not. 
No, I do not believe that if they had something, they would put it out at
this time because they know exactly what the other car companies have or do
not have. They are simply making too much profit as it is - why rock the
boat? If they are forced to, then they will. I remember when the car
companies were screeming bloody murder because they claimed they couldn't
come up with a catalytic converter. But they were forced to. It wasn't too
efective for awhile, but they got it working. =*--ANN--*=

Message: 52904
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Freidrich
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 18:35:01

  Orwell points out Burnham's catastrophic series of wrong
predictions - that Germany would not attack Russia until
after defeating Britain (1940), that Germany would defeat
Russia and break up (1942), that Russia would gang up with
Japan against the United States (1944), and that Russia 
would dominate all Germany (later in 1944).
  "It will be seen that at each point Burnham is predicting 
a *continuation of the thing that is happening*.  Now the
tendancy to do this is not simply a bad habit like 
inaccuracy or exaggeration, which one can correct by taking
thought.  It is a major mental disease, and its roots lie
partly in cowardice and partly in the worship of power,
which is not fully separable from cowardice.
  "So long as they are winning," Orwell concluded, "Burnham
seems to have seen nothing wrong with the methods of the
Nazis.  Such methods, he says, only appear wicked because
they are new....  This implies that literally anything can
become right or wrong if the dominant class of the moment
wills it.  It ignores the fact that certain rules of conduct
have to be observed if human society is to be held together
at all.  Burnham, therefore, was unable to see that the 
crimes and follies of the Nazi regime *must* lead by one 
route or another to disaster.  So also with his new-found
admiration for Stalinism....  The huge everlasting slave 

Message: 52905
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Freidrich
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 18:56:20

empire of which Burnham appears to dream will not be 
established, or if established will not endure, because 
slavery is no longer a stable basis for human society."

Message: 52906
Author: $ David Burkhart
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 19:41:25

I've heard a lot of those stories about people creating cars that get two
hundred miles to the gallon and so on, but I've never heard a shred of
evidence for them.  It's rather silly; as Dean said, a car company would
love to sell such a car, because they would capture nearly the entire
market right away.  Going for those short term profits, I guess.

Message: 52907
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Cars
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 21:38:22

  It must have taken a lot of self control for the automakers to let
themselves take huge losses and layoffs and come to the brink of bankrupcy
(and beyond for Chrysler) when all they had to do was trot out a few of
the supercars collecting dust in the secret warehouses. You really have to
admire that kind of dedication to an ideal.
  See you later,
     Dean H.

Message: 52908
Author: $ Zak Woodruff
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Peter Cervelli
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 22:18:14

I deny.  Any similarity in message content is surely designed to implicate
me.  This becomes clearer when you examine the time the messages were
written.

Message: 52909
Author: King Sparta
Category: Bulletins
Subject: center city bbs
Date: 06/29/88  Time: 22:47:11

 
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Message: 52910
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: LapTop SANYO
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 00:34:48

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display laptop computer.... (or so Sanyo Claims) 
        This baby is loaded... RGB port, Serial Port, and Printer port,
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till Monday night, before I must (sniff) return it.  
        The Sanyo as described above lists for 1599.00 but for users here
who want a new one in the box, My special will be $1140.00 for a limited
time.

        Hurry up and stop by for a look....  As you know, I won't have my
store for much longer, but will still be selling Sanyo Computer Products.
And I had better mention SERVICE too!

Cliff

Message: 52911
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 01:48:39

Big business does not usually hold back developments until it is necessary
to market them. For example, Chrysler met the CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel
Economy) standard of 27.5 MPG before any of the other automakers. You may
remember GM and Ford asked for extensions to meet the standard. Iacocca
argued that Chrysler was able to meet the standards, so the others should as
well. GM and Ford got their extensions, but Chrysler benefited from the
publicity. It benefits both the consumer and the manufacturer when product
developments are put into production as soon as practical.

Automobile computers need not be available at local auto parts stores for
them to be easy to find. All GM computers are alike -- only the PROM is
different from model to model. Any GM dealer can supply you with a new
computer for any GM car, and any idiot can replace a GM computer in about 10
minutes. Like I said before, computer failures are rare, so this shouldn't
be of great concern anyway.

Why are your friends putting regular gas in their (presumably) catalytic
converter equipped cars? Have they no concern for the environment?

Message: 52912
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Alan
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 01:50:04

Emissions maximums are tied to model years, but I don't have the figures
here in front of me.

Message: 52913
Author: $ James Hawley
Category: Answer!
Subject: Alan
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 02:35:43

I think a lot to do with the emissions is the year, and mainly what type of
gas the vehicle takes. 
 
I think the current levels for new cars are 300 ppm/HC, and 3.0%/CO.

Message: 52914
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dear/car companies
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 08:27:09

Why should they when they can get government funding? =*--ANN--*=

Message: 52915
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick on car co.
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 08:41:32

If the car companies have the consumer in mind, how come they change sizes
of bolts, nuts, parts constantly? For instance - on my car, when my husband
wanted to get a top for it (the sun roof)- he found out a new one cost $500,
so he went to a used parts place and got one for $100 that was for a 1984
model. They were exactly the same size but they had moved the bolt holes
over 1/4 inch - he couldn't drill for a new hole because there was no place
to do so. There also was no reason for the car company to do such a thing
except to make you buy a new one, knowing that Vette parts are hard to come
by. He had to buy a new one! If you fix cars, then you know this is common
practice. It isn't only the corvettes! 
As far as the people I know not using their catalytic converters and going
up to Prescott to get their tags --- as I said, some do it to save money -
some because their cars don't work well with the converter on them and some
just plain don't care for the invironment. They do have a point though - if
they arn't making the Snowbirds do it - what is one more car? However, I
would not do it because the little bit it does help is better than nothing.
But some of the Snowbirds I know stay as long as 9 months! =*--ANN--*=

Message: 52916
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 16:08:23

The example of the relocation of the bolt holes on the roof of the Corvette
is not that common of an occurence. There were some upgrades to the security
system in the '85 model, as well as changes made in the fastening system
itself to facilitate easier removal/attachment of the roof. The latter was
in response to customer complaints. Manufacturers have better options to
increase profits than to pay engineering staffs to relocate bolt holes, and
then pay subcontractors to retool for the altered part. It would be far
easier to simply increase the price of the car by $1.00 than to do what you
suggest they are doing. Not that many people have the need to purchase new
roofs for their Corvettes. It sort of reminds of the rumor that was
circulating that the automakers employ professional car thieves to steal
specific models in order to stimulate sales.

Message: 52917
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Nick/last
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 17:16:10

All I know is that my husband has been complaining about that for the 20
years we have been married. He has restored 12 cars in that period. All I
know is what he tells me and I consider him an expert on the subject. He has
worked on vehicles all of his life from tractors to semis. Me - I won't even
drive my car in a race with you! Ha! I just said what he's saying is all.
Plus he said the Corvettes were the worse he's come across. Ta ta.
=*--ANN--*=

Message: 52918
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: Commercial
Subject: BLaser Printers
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 18:14:23

        BLASER Star 1.5 with 1.5 MEG RAM  Epson & HP emulation  $1639.00

        BLASER STAR 2 with 1 MEG RAM Serial & Parallel $1591.00

I know what you're thinking...  What is Cliff doing with LASER printers
when he is going out of business???  Well, A friendly distributor droped
them off to me in hopes I could use them as a "Draw" item...  They are
honestly good deals......

SYSOP Cliff

Message: 52919
Author: $ Apollo SYSOP
Category: For sale
Subject: IBM Color Monitor
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 18:16:05

        I have one used IBM brand color monitor with CGA card... for only
$299.00 complete!   No Sales TAX on this used item...  

Cliff

Message: 52920
Author: $ James Taranto
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Hi
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 22:03:11

This is not really JT.  This is Zak Woodruff.  You can tell, because this is
such a stupid message.

Message: 52921
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Freidrich
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:32:29

  The article called *Second Thoughts on James Burnham*
provides an interesting footnote to *1984*, for a number of 
critics have attacked Orwell precisely because of the 
apparent hopelessness of his last novel.  Apart from the 
fact that these critics are usually the ones who speak with
defensive belligerence in favor of a "good story" and a
"satisfying ending," one has only to read the bulk of 
Orwell's books to see how unwarranted the accusation is.  In
one of his earliest works, A Clergyman's Daughter* (1935), 
he wrote that "the sense of futility" is "the subtlest 
weapon of the devil" and concluded "the solution to her
difficulty lay in accepting the fact there was no solution;
that if one gets on with the job that lies to hand, the
ultimate purpose of the job fades into insignificance; that
faith and no faith are very much the same provided that one 
is doing what is customary, useful and acceptable."  In *The
Road to Wigan Pier* (1937), he declared that "the job of the
thinking person is not to reject Socialism but to humanize 
it," to concentrate on the two essential facts, one "that 
the interests of all exploited people are the same; the 
other, that Socialism is compatible with common decency."  
In *The Lion and the Unicorn*, he outlined his hopes for
England, and in *Animal Farm* he warned of the dangers that
could betray them.  In his essays he criticized not only

Message: 52922
Author: Apro Poet
Category: Politics
Subject: Freidrich
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:34:00

Burnham's power worship but Arthur Koestler's "tract 
purporting to show that revolutionary creeds are 
rationalizations of neurotic impulses."

Message: 52923
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean
Date: 06/30/88  Time: 23:50:26

        The Green House Effect is nothing to worry about, it is just Mother
Nature's way of correcting her mistakes.

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