Apollo BBS Archive

Apollo BBS Archive - July 9, 1991

Mail from Nick Ianuzzi
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 04:53:52

I didn't go to court.  I was concerned about the possibility of the officer
having stopeed the other vehicle sometime later that evening.  If that had
happened, he might have decided to ticket me for drag racing. I decided to
avoid any potential hassle and pay the fine.

Saul is a car thief?  I might have some business for him.

JT is working for the Manhattan Institute, a conservative organization
located in Manhattan.  He is writing for their newsletter.  I haven't talked
to him since we stopped at your house in January.

See you around the universe,
Nick
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
 1:One more thing....do you still have the name of Tom's doctor in Scottsdale. 
 2:I have a friend who would like to get in touch.
 3:
 4:How 'conservative' is JT?
 5:
 6:Take care, Rod.  I bet people who meet in space for the trillionth time, 
 7:exclaim, "what a small universe it is."  See you around.

Mail from Melissa Dee
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 06:12:42

No, we already decided no churches or ministers of any kind.  After that, we
don't have any set plans.  No jumping from planes for me, thanks.  I was
thinking about having it done after climbing Squaw Peak.  I wouldn't want to
have a reception there, though, especially if it was still hot.  Who knows! 
We may just elope and get it over with.
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
 1:I, The Left Reverend Nucon of the Church of Bob and Bobra, can marry you 
 2:people.  Write your own vows.  All I want in return is slack.
 3:
 4:                                Rod

Mail from Roger Mann
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:49:07

re:proletariats
Yes. I thought I was a Republican.
[A]bort, [C]ontinue, [I]nsty-reply or [Z]ap:Insty-reply

Enter a line containing only an [*] to stop
 1:What's the difference between Democrat, Republican or Proletariat?  None 
 2:that I can see.

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Message: 7524
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Last two...
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:18:51

        I know Daryl... Rod believes what he *WANTS* to believe, proving all
the time his mind is locked shut by drugs.  Unhealthy habits, unhealthy
ideas, unhealthy morals equals one unhealthy atheist!

        But ya gotta chuckle at his off the wall posts.....

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- A Christian!

Message: 7525
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cliff/last
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 09:14:38

Re: "Rod believes what he *WANTS* to believe...."
 
Don't we all?
 
Re: ..."proving all the time his mind is locked shut by drugs.."
 
Something must be working in Rods life! Look at all the kids he has?  
 
You aren't really insinuating that Rod is an athiest because he smokes pot
are you? 
 
Rod unhealthy? You gotta be kidding. All the years I've been on this board I
heard him complain once  - not too long ago about his tooth! Where  on the
other hand, you complain of sinus problems, allergies, headaches ... etc.
and YOU DON'T take drugs!!! Paul, another non drug user just went to the
hospital for his 'trick knee' and of course, he always has bleeding sinuses!
Perhaps both of you should look into a little pot and I don't mean the kind
on the stove! (Snicker) *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 7526
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Rod/USDA
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 19:24:00

Actually, the 3-4 months figure was an estimate on the effect of reducing
fat intake *somewhat*, not stopping meat or fat intake.

Message: 7527
Author: $ Felix Cat
Category: Question?
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 20:16:51

Re:  At least after one smokes pot they can see damn well in the dark.

Does seeing well in the dark help overcome the paranoia the pot causes?

:-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:  :-)  (-:

Message: 7528
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Cat, see in dark
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 23:45:26

Glad you asked that, cool cat.  Would you become paranoid if you knew that
what you were doing was mandated as a felony?

The only reason a pot smoker may become paranoid is that smoking pot is a
crime in the eyes of the establishment.  Is that a good enough reason?

Yes, I guess pot could be considered a bit differently if it caused the user
to become oblivious to their surroundings?  Agree?

                                Rod

And I'll bet that you, Paul Savage and Cliff, each one of you individually,
consume more drugs each day than I do.  I have zero prescriptions from
doctors.

Of course the ones you guys take are legal therefore you don't get a twinge
of paranoia when you take them.  That would be unnatural, now wouldn't it?

All you may wonder about is, will they do the job, does medical science know
enough at present to cure my condition(s)?  There are many deaths and other
disorders that come from legal medicine.  There has never been a documented
death from using the marijuana plant.  

Something to think about....marijuana is a direct and fairly close relative 
of the Cat Nip plant.  That, Cat, may be something you would be interested
in.

                                        Rod

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Message: 1903
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Roger/syndromes
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 06:02:52

 What you are thinking of is the Turrette (sp) syndrome. THe young son of a
friend of my daughter's has it. It is a chemical imbalance that causes
various sorts of tics, such as rapid eye blinking, finger snapping, etc. and
uncontrollable cursing. It can be controlled by medication, but, according
to my daughter, it's easy to see when the medication is wearing off since
the symptoms are quite pronounced.
 I don't know if there is a cure, or whether or not the syndrome can be
outgrown.

Message: 1904
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit-Chat
Subject: Tourette's syndrome
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:40:19

I don't know of anybody outgrowing it.  Oliver Sacks had some interesting
things to say about it in "The Man Who Mistook His Wife for a Hat".  One was
that it used to be thought very rare (about one case in a million or so),
but apparently it's far more common than people thought.  Haldane is one
drug used to control it.

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Message: 76462
Author: $ Nick Ianuzzi
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa & Beau
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 04:58:03

Congratulations!

Message: 76463
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: War!
Subject: Roger Boob
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 05:41:12

 I might have known that simple reasoning would fail to penetrate the fog
that envelopes your thinking.
 If you consider anyone who believes in the Bible as a Boob, you must stand
in the position of one who does not believe in the Word of God, and
therefore, not in the God of the Word as well. Which means that, conversely,
you must stand on your own "righteousness", and therefore are in the
position of one sadly lacking in foundation. 
 "There is not one righteous, NO NOT ONE!" SOmeplace in Isaiah.

Message: 76464
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gordon/free will
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 05:45:51

 I believe that God knows the final outcome of every situation, since he
"knows our end from the beginning", but has given us what we call "free
will" so that we can choose or own paths to reach that outcome. We are free
to achieve God's purposes in this world, and the realization and acceptance
of our position in Him  is true peace and joy.

Message: 76465
Author: $ Paul Savage
Category: News Today
Subject: Melissa/Ron
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 05:47:35

Congratulations, you two! Neat indeed!

Message: 76466
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Nick and Paul
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 06:17:02

Thanks!

Message: 76467
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dee on 'neat!!!'
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:26:05

        Congratulations to the both of you!  (or all six of you)

        Please let us know WHEN!?

        Did you guys meet on a BBS or a GT?

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 76468
Author: $ Apollo SysOp
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Mr Westfall....
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:30:30

        I will take the cockatiel... we have a nice cage and spend lots of
time with the birds (no wise cracks here guys)

*=* the 'Mighty' Apollo SysOp *=*  <-clif- 

Message: 76469
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa and Ron
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:53:08

This is very good news. May I wish you both great happiness in your future
marriage.

Message: 76470
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Religion
Subject: 76455/ Daryl
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 07:55:53

Y'all must be born agin.

Message: 76471
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: War!
Subject: Paul/Boob
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 08:18:50

Here is Webster's New World Dictionary definition of self-righteous:

self-righteous adj. filled with or showing one's own conviction of being
morally superior, or more righteous than others; smugly virtuous.

I submit, again, that no matter what MY mental attitude or MY belief is that
you fit that definition to a "T". My use of the pejorative "Bible Believing
Boob" has no effect whatsoever on your righteousness in all its glory. Now,
we may debate MY attitude and that I am judging you from what I consider to
be a morally superior position than you. But that does not detract one iota,
one smidgeon, one microscopic speck from your own self-righteousness.

Message: 76472
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Melissa on engage
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 08:31:54

Are you aware your marrying a 'DOG'? Ha - only kidding. Congratulations to
both of you. You two make a good looking couple. I hope you future holds
great 'barks and tail wagging'!! Heh . *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76473
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Doggy
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 08:37:00

Re: "Reverend Beauregard Jackson Clupeper Dog, colonel, CSA, retired ..."
...are you giving that up and will now be called 'Mr Dee'???? Heh Heh Heh 
After all, you know how it is with the stars and Melissa is one of sorts
with all her story writing and such. The husbands take the back seat you
know. Ha. *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76474
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Answer!
Subject: Daryl
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 08:45:20

Is your cockatiel a male or female? I might be interested in taking him - he
would be in a very large cage with two others and a parakeet. I don't know
how much attention he would get, but he wouldn't be lonely. The cage gets
natural sunlight in the afternoons and the birdies get fruits and veggies
all the time, plus millet and other cockatiel goodies. Let me know and we
can talk about it OK? What color is he? My other two are grey with a yellow
face and all yellow. That one is totally tamed. *>>> ANN O. <<<*
P.S. I have raised cockatiels in the past and am a experienced bird person.
Ha ha.
P.P.S. I even have a spare cage to go get him in!

Message: 76475
Author: $ Ann Oudin
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Craziness!
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 09:03:15

In today's paper is an article about a atomic goat that got away from
researchers in Albuquerque. Seems they have been experimenting with
injecting goats with radioactive isotopes so that they can track the coyotes
after they eat them???!!!! All ten goats got out and only 9 were found and
now they fear that one will contaminate the long horned sheep in the area
which are on the endangered species list!! Not only that, but also other
animal life that might eat of it's remains such as birds etc. 
The article states .. "The scientists believed that the coyotes, which were
in a large, fence-off area with the goats, would ingest the radioactive
material if they killed and ate any of the goats, thereby, revealing their
habits." 
It may be a dumb question, but couldn't they use something else besides
radioactive isotopes to find out about coyotes??? What do they need to find
out about coyotes they don't already know?? 
The article said "The nine 'slightly radioactive' goats were buried
alongside the few coyotes". How safe is 'slightly radioactive' anyway??
 
This makes me ill to think about it. We call ourselves 'civilized'? HA!
                      *>>> ANN O. <<<*

Message: 76476
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Get-Togethers (GTs)
Subject: K-I-S-S-I-N-G
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 10:27:57

> As of Sunday, July 7th 1991 at 9:30 or so, Ron Harvey, aka
> Beauregard Dog, and Melissa Mychele Davis, aka Melissa Dee,
> Mychele Nickels, Nikki Kalua et al, are engaged.
 
"Congratulations!" seems so puny, but it's all I have to offer.
 
All the best!
 
Now, in the words of an old Star Trek parody, "Disengage and get back to
work!"

Message: 76477
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Metrowhatever
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 10:28:16

> No, Peter's Gallery is still there and operating.  Peter and
> two of his friends, Peter and Peter went together and opened
> Metropophobobia.
 
Meetings of the board must be fun.

Message: 76478
Author: $ Bill Burkett
Category: Politics
Subject: PoLEASE State
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 10:28:36

> How about if we just hold our degrees up and whoever has the
> most letters wins?
 
Somehow I think that'd end up in a tie.  Unless high school counts.
 
For the rest of your messages, it'll have to wait till I have more time. 
Perhaps this evening.

Message: 76479
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Melissa and her Beau
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:47:40

I've already had the opportunity to congratulate Beau in person on becoming
enraged...  er, engaged, but I'll echo my good wishes again here. 
Congratulations, both of you!

Message: 76480
Author: $ Gordon Little
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Concealing evidence
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:48:32

I read the following in a discussion of criminals who were convicted of
crimes based upon evidence found in their personal computers and storage
media.

  >> Incidentally, I seem to remember a similar case in Northern Virginia
  >> recently in which a Marine was accused of murdering his wife (also a
  >> Marine, who disappeared and whose body has not been found).  As I
  >> remember, investigators found plans on how to carry out a murder and
  >> hide the body on a disk belonging to the suspect.

I hope he remembered to cremate the body first, otherwise he'd have a hard
time getting it all on the disk.

Message: 76481
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Ann/Get my Goat
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:51:40

Maybe not civilized but definitely strange.

Message: 76482
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Gordon/Concealing
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 12:58:13

Perhaps the marine has access to scanning technology that would allow him to
store his wife's body electronically on a 200 MB disk. This reminds me of
the question: Assuming the technology existed to determine the position and
momentum of every particle in your body, and this information was stored say
on some medium, and further that in the process of determining the position
and momentum of every particle in your body your body was destroyed, and
finally it was possible to reconstitute your body with each particle's
position and momentum restored at the instant of reading, would you be aware
of anything amiss ? (BBB's need not reply)

Message: 76483
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Answer!
Subject: LAST
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 14:08:49

  Actually, you would be dead, but there would be a perfect replica created
which would think it had always been you and that nothing was wrong.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 76484
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Beau & Melissa
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 14:09:52

  Congratulations! And good luck.
   See You Later,
     Dean H.

Message: 76485
Author: $ Dean Hathaway
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Rod
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 14:23:04

  Actually the glasses just make everything look different. They also make
it possible for me to drive all day without getting a headache from glare,
etc. I only mentioned them because when I wear them it occurs to me that
the world could just as well be the way it looks in the glasses and my
eyes could be making it look different when I don't have the glasses on.
  I see life as something that happens for a short time and doesn't give any
clue that there is anything beyond it. There are plenty of things I would
like to change, and as Bill Burkett pointed out, some things are gradually
changing for the better. Many other things are sliding into the toilet, like
the freedom to make your own choices where they do not harm others, but if
this life is all we get, I would rather try to enjoy it and do what I can to
improve it realistically. Throwing up my hands and saying that we are all
doomed as long as we have bodies just doesn't seem like a useful option to
me.
  See You Later,
    Dean H.

Message: 76486
Author: $ Michael James
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Roger and Paul
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 16:06:10

They're both being self-righteous, but Paul is less offensive to me because
he admits that his religious beliefs are illogical (or "beyond human logic")
and Roger doesn't.

Message: 76487
Author: $ Melissa Dee
Category: Answer!
Subject: Ann
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 17:23:53

Hey, now there's an idea... I was thinking about mixing our names.  Dee and
Harvey to come up with Hardy which was the street I used to live on.  But,
nothing has been finalized yet.  I would love to drop Davis no matter what. 
My pen name, Mychele, has no last name so that really wouldn't be effected.

Thanks again for the many kind wishes!

Message: 76488
Author: $ Apro Poet
Category: Drug Talk
Subject: Prohiboholics Anon.
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 18:35:07

From Scientific American, October, 1990:

Cannabis Comprehended
The "assassin of youth" points to a new pharmacology

Marijuana is celebrated--or castigated--for producing 
euphoria and altering perception.  But the cannabis plant
has for centuries been used for its medicinal properties as
well as for intoxication.  If it were possible to develop 
drugs that achieve marijuana's medicinal benefits but
dispense with its mood-altering effects, they might make
valuable additions to the physician's black bag.
  Cannaboids, the active chemicals in marijuana, have a range
of physiological effects.  They combat convulsions and
nausea, dilate the air passages in the lungs and decrease
pressure in the eyes.  They can also kill pain and lower
blood pressure.  But because of their side effects, the Food
and Drug Administration permits synthetic cannaboids to be
used only to suppress nausea caused by cancer chemotherapy
and then only if other remedies fail.
  Researchers at the National Institute of Mental Health in
Bethesda, Md., have made a discovery that could lead to new
pharmaceuticals based on marijuana.  Lisa A. Matsuda, Tom I.
Bonner and their colleagues have isolated and cloned a gene
that gives rise to the receptor molecules that canniboids
bind to in the brain.  The workers recently described their
findings in *Nature*.
  Luck played a part in the discovery.  The investigators
had been searching for receptor genes using molecular
screening techniques, but they were not looking specifically
for a cannaboid receptor.  When they turned up what looked 
like a novel receptor gene in rat brains cells, they 
implanted it in cultured cells and then tested the cells'
responsiveness to various substances.  The last substances
the group tested were cannaboids.
  The cannabiod receptor is distinct from other types of
drug receptors in the brain, such as those that bind to
opiates.  But like some other receptors, the cannaboid
receptor is bound up with proteins in the cell membrane 
called G proteins.  These proteins relay chemical signals to
the cell when their associated receptor binds to a target
molecule.
  Cannaboid receptors presumably did not evolve for the
pleasure of marijuana users.  It seems more likely that the
brain produces a natural cannaboidlike substance.  That
compound has not yet been identified, but Allyn C. Howlett 
of St. Louis University, who first found evidence for
cannaboid receptors two years ago, says it is not one of the
known neurotransmitters.  Miles Herkenham of the National
Institute for Mental Health, who has mapped cannaboid
receptors in the brain, finds they are particularly common
in the hippocampus, a region involved in memory.

((continued))

Message: 76491
Author: $ Beauregard Dog
Category: Chit Chat
Subject:   to all
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 19:22:24

Thanks one and all for the congratulations.
 
To Ann:  I'm thinking of taking this opportunity to make a legal name change
to:

Reverend Beauregard Jackson Culpeper Dog, Colonel, CSA, retired

Message: 76492
Author: $ Roger Mann
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Michael/RandP
Date: 07/09/91  Time: 20:54:48

I have no religious beliefs.

Message: 76493
Author: $ Rod Williams
Category: Chit Chat
Subject: Dean/doomed bodies
Date: 07/10/91  Time: 00:00:15

Your message was well put.  I liked the part about throwing up my hands and
saying we are all doomed as long as we have bodies of flesh.  

You should add, as long as we have bodies of heavy flesh and are confined to
this or any planet of heavy mass.

Speaking of heavy mass, somewhere around thousands of years ago the
Superstition Mountain was an active volcano.  It is still considered fairly
young ground.  It is still pushing up as I was told by a surveyor.  

The San Francisco Peak near Flagstaff last erupted in 1116 I believe.

We could do so much more if not confined to a sort of a jail like earth and
the physical body is.

I think space will be more fun.  Being a proletariat is not much fun.